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Why Islam will never accept the State of Israel
« on: June 30, 2010, 01:19:31 PM »
June 30, 2010
Why Islam Will Never Accept the State of Israel
By Steven Simpson

It is a common belief that the "Arab-Israeli conflict" is a conflict of two peoples fighting over the same piece of land and is therefore one of nationalism. Rarely, if ever, do we hear or read of the religious component to this conflict.


However, if anything, the conflict is more of a "Muslim-Jewish" one than an "Arab-Israeli" one. In other words, the conflict is based on religion -- Islam vs. Judaism -- cloaked in Arab nationalism vs. Zionism. The fact of the matter is that in every Arab-Israeli war, from 1948 to the present, cries of "jihad," "Allahu Akbar," and the bloodcurdling scream of "Idbah al- Yahud" (slaughter the Jews) have resonated amongst even the most secular of Arab leaders, be it Nasser in the 1950s and 1960s or the supposedly "secular" PLO of the 1960s to the present. Indeed, the question must be asked: If this is really a conflict of different nationalisms and not Islamic supremacism, then why is it that virtually no non-Arab Muslim states have full (if any) relations with Israel?


There is a common Arabic slogan that is chanted in the Middle East: "Khaybar, Khaybar! Oh Jews, remember. The armies of Muhammad are returning!" It would be most interesting to know how many people have ever heard what -- or more precisely, where -- Khaybar is, and what the Arabs mean by such a slogan. A short history of the Jews of Arabia is needed in order to explain this, and why Islam remains so inflexible in its hostile attitude towards Jews and Israel.


Until the founder of Islam, Muhammad ibn Abdallah, proclaimed himself "Messenger of Allah" in the 7th century, Jews and Arabs lived together peacefully in the Arabian Peninsula. Indeed, the Jews -- and Judaism -- were respected to such an extent that an Arab king converted to Judaism in the 5th century. His name was Dhu Nuwas, and he ruled over the Himyar (present day Yemen) area of the Arabian Peninsula. In fact, it is most likely that the city of Medina (the second-holiest city in Islam) -- then called Yathrib -- was originally founded by Jews. In any event, at the time of Muhammad's "calling," three important Jewish tribes existed in Arabia: Banu Qurayza, Banu Nadir, and Banu Qaynuqa.  


Muhammad was very keen on having the Jews accept him as a prophet to the extent that he charged his followers not to eat pig and to pray in the direction of Jerusalem. However, the Jews apparently were not very keen on Muhammad, his proclamation of himself as a prophet, or his poor knowledge of the Torah (Hebrew Bible). Numerous verbal altercations are recorded in the Qur'an and various Hadiths about these conflicts between the Jewish tribes and Muhammad.


Eventually, the verbal conflicts turned into physical conflicts, and when the Jews outwardly rejected Muhammad as the "final seal of the prophets," he turned on them with a vengeance. The atrocities that were committed against these tribes are too numerous to cite in a single article, but two tribes, the Qaynuqa and Nadir, were expelled from their villages by Muhammad. It appears that the Qaynuqa left Arabia around 624 A.D. The refugees of the Nadir settled in the village of Khaybar.


In 628 A.D., Muhammad turned on the last Jewish tribe, the Qurayza, claiming that they were in league with Muhammad's Arab pagan enemies and had "betrayed" him. Muhammad and his army besieged the Qurayza, and after a siege of over three weeks, the Qurayza surrendered. While many Arabs pleaded with Muhammad to let the Qurayza leave unmolested, Muhammad had other plans. Unlike expelling the Qaynuqa and Nadir, Muhammad exterminated the Qurayza, with an estimated 600 to 900 Jewish men being beheaded in one day. The women and children were sold into slavery, and Muhammad took one of the widows, Rayhana, as a "concubine."


In 629 A.D., Muhammad led a campaign against the surviving Jews of Nadir, now living in Khaybar. The battle was again bloody and barbaric, and the survivors of the massacre were either expelled or allowed to remain as "second-class citizens." Eventually, upon the ascension of Omar as caliph, most Jews were expelled from Arabia around the year 640 A.D.


This brings us, then, to the question of why modern-day Muslims still boast of the slaughter of the Jewish tribes and the Battle of Khaybar. The answer lies in what the Qur'an -- and later on, the various Hadiths -- says about the Jews. The Qur'an is replete with verses that can be described only as virulently anti-Semitic. The amount of Surahs is too numerous to cite, but a few will suffice: Surah 2:75 (Jews distorted the Torah); 2:91 (Jews are prophet-killers), 4:47 (Jews have distorted the Bible and have incurred condemnation from Allah for breaking the Sabbath), 5:60 (Jews are cursed, and turned into monkeys and pigs), and 5:82 (Jews and pagans are the strongest in enmity to the Muslims and Allah). And of course, there is the genocidal Hadith from Sahih Bukhari, 4:52:177, which would make Adolph Hitler proud. "The Day of Judgment will not have come until you fight with the Jews, and the stones and the trees behind which a Jew will be hiding will say: 'O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him!"' Thus, the Arab Muslims had their own "final solution" in store for the Jews already in the 7th century.


The fact that Muslims still point to these (and many other) hateful verses in the Qur'an and Hadith should give Jews -- not just Israelis -- pause to consider if there can ever be true peace between Muslims and Jews, let alone between Muslims and Israel. When the armies of Islam occupied the area of Byzantine "Palestine" in the 7th century, the land became part of "Dar al-Islam" (House of Islam). Until that area is returned to Islam, (i.e., Israel's extermination), she remains part of "Dar al harb" (House of War). It now becomes clear that this is a conflict of religious ideology and not a conflict over a piece of "real estate."


Finally, one must ask the question: Aside from non-Arab Turkey, whose relations with Israel are presently teetering on the verge of collapse, why is it that no other non-Arab Muslim country in the Middle East has ever had full relations (if any at all) with Israel, such as faraway countries like Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan? Indeed, why would Persian Iran -- conquered by the Arabs -- have such a deep hatred for Jews and Israel, whereas a non-Muslim country such as India does not feel such enmity? The answer is painfully clear: The contempt in which the Qur'an and other Islamic writings hold Jews does not exist in the scriptures of the Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, and other Eastern religions. Therefore, people that come from non-Muslim states do not have this inherent hatred towards Jews, and by extension, towards Israel. But when a people -- or peoples -- is raised with a scripture that regards another people and religion as immoral and less than human, then it is axiomatic why such hatred and disdain exists on the part of Muslims for Jews and Israel.


Islam -- as currently interpreted and practiced -- cannot accept a Jewish state of any size in its midst. Unless Muslims come to terms with their holy writings vis---vis Jews, Judaism, and Israel and go through some sort of "reformation," it will be unlikely that true peace will ever come to the Middle East. In the meantime, unless Islam reforms, Israel should accept the fact that the Muslims will never accept Israel as a permanent fact in the Middle East.
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Re: Why Islam will never accept the State of Israel
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2010, 09:17:07 AM »
The Lies you tell people
Islam, like the word capitalism is a way of life a concept, not an organisation out to get the world.

It is not a holy war (jihaad) as some Muslims may believe it is a palestinian (Muslim and Christians)
Heres an extract:
PALESTINIAN CHRISTLANS: CHALLENGES AND HOPES, by Bernard Sabella
Associate professor of Sociology, Bethlehem University, Palestine
1- Who Are the Palestinian Christians?
Palestinian Christians have deep roots in the land. The great majority, estimated at 400,000 worldwide or roughly 6.5 percent of all Palestinians, are of indigenous stock, whose mother tongue is Arabic and whose history takes them back, or at least some of them, to the early church. At present, the 50,000 Christians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip make up only 2.2 percent of the total population estimated in the mid-nineties at 2,238,0001. Palestinian Arab Christians in Israel were estimated, for the same year, at 125,000 or 14 percent of all Arabs in Israel'. Christians in Palestine and Israel make up 175,000 or 2.3 percent of the entire Arab and Jewish population of the Holy Land.

A majority of fifty-six percent of Palestinian Christians are found outside of their country. This situation of out-migration resulted from the exodus of 726,000 Palestinian refugees in the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. Fifty to sixty thousand Palestinian Christians, comprising 35 percent of all Christians in pre1948 mandatory Palestine, were among the refugees'. In 1996, these refugees and their descendants are spread over the entire Middle East but primarily in the sixty refugee camps dotting the topography of the West Bank (19 refugee camps); Gaza Strip (8 refugee camps); Jordan (10 refugee camps); Syria (10 refugee camps) and Lebanon (13 refugee camps).

Palestinian Christians in East Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip belong to fifteen different denominations, the largest of which are the Greek Orthodox (51 percent), and the Roman Catholics (32 per cent.) Some smaller denominations, such as the Copts who are originally from Egypt, do not number more than a score of families. Yet each denomination or community maintains a rich tradition of rites and rituals, beside educational and other institutions, that speaks of its long presence and attachment to the land called holy
.


Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia have agreements with Israel through American interest.
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Until the founder of Islam, Muhammad ibn Abdallah, proclaimed himself "Messenger of Allah" in the 7th century, Jews and Arabs lived together peacefully in the Arabian Peninsula. Indeed, the Jews -- and Judaism -- were respected to such an extent that an Arab king converted to Judaism in the 5th century. His name was Dhu Nuwas, and he ruled over the Himyar (present day Yemen) area of the Arabian Peninsula. In fact, it is most likely that the city of Medina (the second-holiest city in Islam) -- then called Yathrib -- was originally founded by Jews. In any event, at the time of Muhammad's "calling," three important Jewish tribes existed in Arabia: Banu Qurayza, Banu Nadir, and Banu Qaynuqa. 

The Jews established the city to wait for the Comforter according to Jewish Scripture (which I believe and accept)
The Comforter (mercy unto all mankind is a Title of Muhammad) and they were obviously not very happy when an Arab made the announcement of fulfilling the prophecy of the scriptures.

Muhammad was keen when he discovered that they were waiting for him according to Jewish Scripture!! He did not charge anyone but merely stated what ALLAH ordered them to follow the commands of ALLAH that remained unchanged (only the Romans dared to change it),

Muslim law is in complete conformance to the earliest scriptural laws of the Jews! Thus fulfilling many of the Prophecies.

Question to the arrogant: Jesus is a Jew and what happens when he proclaims this, how will you feel as a Christian when Jesus rejects your notions of him being the son of God and the Prophesized messiah of the Jews according to the Jews and the Muslims!!!
Reply like a Satan!!

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This brings us, then, to the question of why modern-day Muslims still boast of the slaughter of the Jewish tribes and the Battle of Khaybar. The answer lies in what the Qur'an -- and later on, the various Hadiths -- says about the Jews. The Qur'an is replete with verses that can be described only as virulently anti-Semitic. The amount of Surahs is too numerous to cite, but a few will suffice: Surah 2:75 (Jews distorted the Torah); 2:91 (Jews are prophet-killers), 4:47 (Jews have distorted the Bible and have incurred condemnation from Allah for breaking the Sabbath), 5:60 (Jews are cursed, and turned into monkeys and pigs), and 5:82 (Jews and pagans are the strongest in enmity to the Muslims and Allah). And of course, there is the genocidal Hadith from Sahih Bukhari, 4:52:177, which would make Adolph Hitler proud. "The Day of Judgment will not have come until you fight with the Jews, and the stones and the trees behind which a Jew will be hiding will say: 'O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him!"' Thus, the Arab Muslims had their own "final solution" in store for the Jews already in the 7th century.

The Proof of all of this is:
Did the Jews not kill John the Baptist, did they try to kill Jesus and many other prophets, do they not cause many deaths of many people through their pride, lies and deceit, open your eyes man, you citing the truth but not believing it!!!


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Finally, one must ask the question: Aside from non-Arab Turkey, whose relations with Israel are presently teetering on the verge of collapse, why is it that no other non-Arab Muslim country in the Middle East has ever had full relations (if any at all) with Israel, such as faraway countries like Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan? Indeed, why would Persian Iran -- conquered by the Arabs -- have such a deep hatred for Jews and Israel, whereas a non-Muslim country such as India does not feel such enmity? The answer is painfully clear: The contempt in which the Qur'an and other Islamic writings hold Jews does not exist in the scriptures of the Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, and other Eastern religions. Therefore, people that come from non-Muslim states do not have this inherent hatred towards Jews, and by extension, towards Israel. But when a people -- or peoples -- is raised with a scripture that regards another people and religion as immoral and less than human, then it is axiomatic why such hatred and disdain exists on the part of Muslims for Jews and Israel.

There is no hatred of the Jews, the Hassidics do not believe in a state of Israel as there is none, it is forced upon the entire world by Zionists trying to maintain a foothold in the Middle East, Threatening everyone with war if they do not comply with Zionist beliefs. There is No Jewish/Muslim war You are trying to Justify actions of Disbelievers ( A Jew that is an Atheist is still considered to be a Jew by Israel) that is not religion that is Nation and Pride and deceit and lies.

Wake UP from your dream you trying to create. The whole world except the Americans have knowledge of this. I am Muslim with many Christian and Jewish friends and we openly discuss the lies and deciet of the Zionists

There is so much noise around you that You cannot hear the truth!!!!. Stop focussing on the few evil doers (terrorists) they are in the minority, World-wide about 3 million muslims react to something on tv in the major cities while 1,5 billion prays for them.

Your language is extremely biased
We don't say that the Americans went to Vietnam and slaughtered people on their home soil while not a single American home was under direct threat in the name of Capitalism which is and Ideal that does'nt really exist (taxes and your army make you a 60% Socialist Nation), The Jews were plotting against Muhammad on his home soil, tell the story completely or not at all

You seem to take out the juicy bits and conveniently leave out the truth.



True peace will come to the world when the Muslims performs their duties and live like Muslims, the basics
first, bring about the proper belief in ALLAH, and gain knowledge of the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (May ALLAH bestow peace upon him)
2, Pray five times a day according to the set times and manner
3, Fast diligently during the month of Ramadhaan
4, Pay Zakaat (compulsory tax 2.5% of wealth)
5, perform one true Ghadj.

Then the prayers of the 1.8 billion will be answered and change will usher in a period of Peace, only disbelievers will be displeased and try to wage war with the Muslims as they have always done.

Your perspective is completely wrong, as far as Islamic history is concerned
Your interpretations are that of a kaafir (Rejector of faith)
your sources are that of the followers of Satan.
your quotes are extracts that incomplete truths and your translations of Arabic is kindergarten level.

May ALLAH guide all of us to the Staright path that leads to HIM








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Re: Why Islam will never accept the State of Israel
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2010, 10:22:58 AM »
The Lies you tell people
Islam, like the word capitalism is a way of life a concept, not an organisation out to get the world.

First of all you will tone down your accusatory tone or you will be relegated to the side lines. I have been nothing but cordial to you. Secondly you are mistaken to say that Islam is not out to get the world. That has been its' aim since Muhammad first began his conquest in the 7th century. Let the facts speak for themselves. Muslims are in control of a huge chunk of the middle east and northern Africa the Jews simply want a small spot of land that is historically theirs and all we hear from muslim controlled countries is how they need to be wiped off the map. Give me a break.

It is not a holy war (jihaad) as some Muslims may believe it is a palestinian (Muslim and Christians)
Heres an extract:
PALESTINIAN CHRISTLANS: CHALLENGES AND HOPES, by Bernard Sabella
Associate professor of Sociology, Bethlehem University, Palestine
1- Who Are the Palestinian Christians?
Palestinian Christians have deep roots in the land. The great majority, estimated at 400,000 worldwide or roughly 6.5 percent of all Palestinians, are of indigenous stock, whose mother tongue is Arabic and whose history takes them back, or at least some of them, to the early church. At present, the 50,000 Christians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip make up only 2.2 percent of the total population estimated in the mid-nineties at 2,238,0001. Palestinian Arab Christians in Israel were estimated, for the same year, at 125,000 or 14 percent of all Arabs in Israel'. Christians in Palestine and Israel make up 175,000 or 2.3 percent of the entire Arab and Jewish population of the Holy Land.

A majority of fifty-six percent of Palestinian Christians are found outside of their country. This situation of out-migration resulted from the exodus of 726,000 Palestinian refugees in the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. Fifty to sixty thousand Palestinian Christians, comprising 35 percent of all Christians in pre1948 mandatory Palestine, were among the refugees'. In 1996, these refugees and their descendants are spread over the entire Middle East but primarily in the sixty refugee camps dotting the topography of the West Bank (19 refugee camps); Gaza Strip (8 refugee camps); Jordan (10 refugee camps); Syria (10 refugee camps) and Lebanon (13 refugee camps).

Palestinian Christians in East Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip belong to fifteen different denominations, the largest of which are the Greek Orthodox (51 percent), and the Roman Catholics (32 per cent.) Some smaller denominations, such as the Copts who are originally from Egypt, do not number more than a score of families. Yet each denomination or community maintains a rich tradition of rites and rituals, beside educational and other institutions, that speaks of its long presence and attachment to the land called holy
.

What exactly is this supposed to prove? In case you haven't noticed the standard of living in Israel greatly exceeds that of most other middle-eastern countries. When Israel first formed as a country it tried everything it could to cooperate with people already in the country.

In numerous instances, Jewish leaders urged the Arabs to remain in Palestine and become citizens of Israel. The Assembly of Palestine Jewry issued this appeal on October 2, 1947:

We will do everything in our power to maintain peace, and establish a cooperation gainful to both [Jews and Arabs]. It is now, here and now, from Jerusalem itself, that a call must go out to the Arab nations to join forces with Jewry and the destined Jewish State and work shoulder to shoulder for our common good, for the peace and progress of sovereign equals.4

On November 30, the day after the UN partition vote, the Jewish Agency announced: "The main theme behind the spontaneous celebrations we are witnessing today is our community's desire to seek peace and its determination to achieve fruitful cooperation with the Arabs...."5

Israel's Proclamation of Independence, issued May 14, 1948, also invited the Palestinians to remain in their homes and become equal citizens in the new state:

In the midst of wanton aggression, we yet call upon the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve the ways of peace and play their part in the development of the State, on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its bodies and institutions....We extend our hand in peace and neighborliness to all the neighboring states and their peoples, and invite them to cooperate with the independent Jewish nation for the common good of all.


Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia have agreements with Israel through American interest.
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Until the founder of Islam, Muhammad ibn Abdallah, proclaimed himself "Messenger of Allah" in the 7th century, Jews and Arabs lived together peacefully in the Arabian Peninsula. Indeed, the Jews -- and Judaism -- were respected to such an extent that an Arab king converted to Judaism in the 5th century. His name was Dhu Nuwas, and he ruled over the Himyar (present day Yemen) area of the Arabian Peninsula. In fact, it is most likely that the city of Medina (the second-holiest city in Islam) -- then called Yathrib -- was originally founded by Jews. In any event, at the time of Muhammad's "calling," three important Jewish tribes existed in Arabia: Banu Qurayza, Banu Nadir, and Banu Qaynuqa. 

The Jews established the city to wait for the Comforter according to Jewish Scripture (which I believe and accept)
The Comforter (mercy unto all mankind is a Title of Muhammad) and they were obviously not very happy when an Arab made the announcement of fulfilling the prophecy of the scriptures.

That is just wrong. They may have been waiting for the Messiah to come but they knew he had to be Jewish, born of the line of David, etc. Muhammad fit none of these requirements. Furthermore the Comforter you are attempting to reference is the Holy Spirit. A point that has been made more than once on this forum.


Muhammad was keen when he discovered that they were waiting for him according to Jewish Scripture!! He did not charge anyone but merely stated what ALLAH ordered them to follow the commands of ALLAH that remained unchanged (only the Romans dared to change it),

Muslim law is in complete conformance to the earliest scriptural laws of the Jews! Thus fulfilling many of the Prophecies.

No roman changed anything. The NT manuscripts date all the way back to the first century. Furthermore until Muhammad realize his mistake he encouraged Christians to go by their own scriptures. When he realized that for them to do so disqualified him as a man of God he changed his mind. And muslim laws do not follow the Law handed down to Moses. Otherwise Muhammad would not have married any of his inlaws.


Question to the arrogant: Jesus is a Jew and what happens when he proclaims this, how will you feel as a Christian when Jesus rejects your notions of him being the son of God and the Prophesized messiah of the Jews according to the Jews and the Muslims!!!
Reply like a Satan!!

Your proposal is absurd given that to reject Him as the only begotten of God would preclude me from salvation.

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This brings us, then, to the question of why modern-day Muslims still boast of the slaughter of the Jewish tribes and the Battle of Khaybar. The answer lies in what the Qur'an -- and later on, the various Hadiths -- says about the Jews. The Qur'an is replete with verses that can be described only as virulently anti-Semitic. The amount of Surahs is too numerous to cite, but a few will suffice: Surah 2:75 (Jews distorted the Torah); 2:91 (Jews are prophet-killers), 4:47 (Jews have distorted the Bible and have incurred condemnation from Allah for breaking the Sabbath), 5:60 (Jews are cursed, and turned into monkeys and pigs), and 5:82 (Jews and pagans are the strongest in enmity to the Muslims and Allah). And of course, there is the genocidal Hadith from Sahih Bukhari, 4:52:177, which would make Adolph Hitler proud. "The Day of Judgment will not have come until you fight with the Jews, and the stones and the trees behind which a Jew will be hiding will say: 'O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him!"' Thus, the Arab Muslims had their own "final solution" in store for the Jews already in the 7th century.


The Proof of all of this is:
Did the Jews not kill John the Baptist, did they try to kill Jesus and many other prophets, do they not cause many deaths of many people through their pride, lies and deceit, open your eyes man, you citing the truth but not believing it!!!

Nope. Herod had John killed. He wasn't even a full Jew ethnically, he was half samaritan whose father was half arab, and religiously he wasn't a jew either, as he pandered to Rome. Furthermore to blame all jews for the actions of some jews is ridiculous. In case you didn't notice the overwhelming majority of Jesus' followers during His ministry were JEWS.


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Finally, one must ask the question: Aside from non-Arab Turkey, whose relations with Israel are presently teetering on the verge of collapse, why is it that no other non-Arab Muslim country in the Middle East has ever had full relations (if any at all) with Israel, such as faraway countries like Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan? Indeed, why would Persian Iran -- conquered by the Arabs -- have such a deep hatred for Jews and Israel, whereas a non-Muslim country such as India does not feel such enmity? The answer is painfully clear: The contempt in which the Qur'an and other Islamic writings hold Jews does not exist in the scriptures of the Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, and other Eastern religions. Therefore, people that come from non-Muslim states do not have this inherent hatred towards Jews, and by extension, towards Israel. But when a people -- or peoples -- is raised with a scripture that regards another people and religion as immoral and less than human, then it is axiomatic why such hatred and disdain exists on the part of Muslims for Jews and Israel.


There is no hatred of the Jews, the Hassidics do not believe in a state of Israel as there is none, it is forced upon the entire world by Zionists trying to maintain a foothold in the Middle East, Threatening everyone with war if they do not comply with Zionist beliefs. There is No Jewish/Muslim war You are trying to Justify actions of Disbelievers ( A Jew that is an Atheist is still considered to be a Jew by Israel) that is not religion that is Nation and Pride and deceit and lies.

Your scriptures would disagree with you. Muhammad showed much hatred for the jews. And I would like to ask you what sway do you think a small percentage of an already small group have? Are you not aware that policy makers the world over capitualate to muslim countries because of oil? As far as a foothold, I don't think you can honestly call that small area of land a foothold. Until the jews returned en masse it was a desolate arid wasteland with hardly noone populating it.


Wake UP from your dream you trying to create. The whole world except the Americans have knowledge of this. I am Muslim with many Christian and Jewish friends and we openly discuss the lies and deciet of the Zionists

There is so much noise around you that You cannot hear the truth!!!!. Stop focussing on the few evil doers (terrorists) they are in the minority, World-wide about 3 million muslims react to something on tv in the major cities while 1,5 billion prays for them.

The world is ever ready to do the lusts of its' father. They would be singing a different tune if they did not need oil so badly. As for terrorists being few, why is it that over 15000 muslim terrorist attacks have occurred just since 9/11. 15% of 1.5 billion is still 150,000,000 people ready to kill and be killed for their beliefs. And that isn't counting the ones who sympathize with them.


Your language is extremely biased
We don't say that the Americans went to Vietnam and slaughtered people on their home soil while not a single American home was under direct threat in the name of Capitalism which is and Ideal that does'nt really exist (taxes and your army make you a 60% Socialist Nation), The Jews were plotting against Muhammad on his home soil, tell the story completely or not at all

So is yours. Noone can avoid their biases. What matters is wether they are constructed on truth or not. And go ahead and say what you like about the atrocities of Vietnam. There were and are just as many people here that protested and disagreed with that war. The problem with your analogy is the fact that America is not represenatative of Christianity. And the Jews were not plotting against Muhammad. They were too busy guarding against each other. Muhammad lied to those tribes and got rid of them one by one. He even personally participated in the murder of 600 to 900 boys and men.


You seem to take out the juicy bits and conveniently leave out the truth.



True peace will come to the world when the Muslims performs their duties and live like Muslims, the basics
first, bring about the proper belief in ALLAH, and gain knowledge of the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (May ALLAH bestow peace upon him)
2, Pray five times a day according to the set times and manner
3, Fast diligently during the month of Ramadhaan
4, Pay Zakaat (compulsory tax 2.5% of wealth)
5, perform one true Ghadj.

Here is the juicy bit for you. You are dead in your sins. You need salvation through the shed blood of Jesus. IF you reject it you will never know true peace. And when you die you will be judged according to your works and will come up drastically short of God's high expectations.


Then the prayers of the 1.8 billion will be answered and change will usher in a period of Peace, only disbelievers will be displeased and try to wage war with the Muslims as they have always done.

Islam has waged war with the world since its' inception. You have it backwards. The worst thing Muhammad ever faced in Mecca was having his clothes tugged at and some jeering in response to his deception.


Your perspective is completely wrong, as far as Islamic history is concerned

Irrelevant since it was constructed after the fact and crumbles under the least bit of scrutiny.


Your interpretations are that of a kaafir (Rejector of faith)

My interpretations come from the mind of a follower of a God that allows questions to be asked and reasonable conclusions to be drawn.


your sources are that of the followers of Satan.

I do cite the koran from time to time so we agree on that.


your quotes are extracts that incomplete truths and your translations of Arabic is kindergarten level.


Tell that to  Dr. Hilali and Muhammad Muhsin Khan since I use their translation the most.

May ALLAH guide all of us to the Staright path that leads to HIM

Sorry but the straight path leads to YAHWEH through His Son YESHUA.








Doth that man love his Lord who would be willing to see Jesus wearing a crown of thorns, while for himself he craves a chaplet of laurel? Shall Jesus ascend to his throne by the cross, and do we expect to be carried there on the shoulders of applauding crowds? Charles H. Spurgeon