Hi Peter and thanks for your very informative replies. It will take me a while to digest those links properly.
In the meantime, what I simply meant to ask is this: How can Mohammad claim to abrogate or correct the supposedly erroneous Christian doctrine ........
He obviously couldn't. Indeed Muhammad and his "Allah" made such a contradictory mess of the Quran, over the short span of just 23 years, he had to institute his own doctrine of substitution to resolve the conflicts. Out of only 114 suras in the Quran, a whopping 71 are subject to abrogation/substitution.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.02:106 (Asad)
Any message which, We annul or consign to oblivion We replace with a better or a similar one. Dost thou not know that God has the power to will anything?This means that all the later verses that came near the end of the Quran chronologically, that command Muhammad's followers to fight, slay and subjugate non-Muslims, like.....
Surah 9.111
Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an:.....
....."annul" and "consign to oblivion" Muhammad's earlier less violent drivel that he dithered on with before he got laughed out of Mecca (and skulked off to Medina) like the "no compulsion in religion" that you've probably heard Muhammad's dissimulators, taqiyyah purveyors and dupes parrot.
Indeed the Islamic calendar doesn't even begin until after that move to Medina called the "Hijra".
.......... of the Holy Trinity if he, as far as I can see from his (own?) writings, .....
He was illiterate, and couldn't write, so he only "recited" what he claimed was "revealed" to him.
But obviously, if the stand-alone 23-year 7th century record of Muhammad's god "Allah" is true, then the prophets and witnesses of the one true God Yahweh, as revealed through the 1600 year record of God to mankind whose people have followed Him through two covenants for 3500 years, are false. With Jesus Christ being chief among them for having prophesied His own crucifixion, death and resurrection.
His illiterate followers did their best to memorize what Muhammad recited, which is in part how the Quran wound up in such a mess with no two of the most ancient Qurans being the same.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2576.0http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4707.0Indeed all of the various versions of the Quran were collected up, with all but a preferred version burned, on two separate occasions.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/textual_history_of_the_koran.htm...... never understood it properly in the first place?
That's right, because he was a 7t century SW Arabian desert dwelling illiterate. Even literate people around him that knew a little about Christianity likely didn't have much more of a handle on it than he did, particularly with influence like the gnosticism of the occult Ebionites.
However Jews may have maintained their beliefs through greater adherence to their traditions. Islam's books would indicate, so much so, that the Medina Jews preferred beheading rather than recognize Muhammad as a prophet of our God. But guys like Jabr (who some suggest had been a Christian) submitted to Muhammad.
http://www.petewaldo.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htmIshaq:461 "
After the siege exhausted and terrorized them, the Jews felt certain that the Apostle would not leave them until he had exterminated them. So they decided to talk to Ka'b Asad. He said, 'People of the Jews, you see what has befallen you. I shall propose three alternatives. Take whichever one you please.' He said, 'Swear allegiance to this man and accept him; for, by Allah, it has become clear to you that he is a prophet sent from Allah. It is he that you used to find mentioned in your scripture book. Then you will be secure in your lives, your property, your children, and your wives.'"
Above we see Mohammed revealed as a terrorist, while next we find that Yahweh's people well understood that following the false prophet Mohammed, would result in a death sentence in the hereafter.
Ishaq:462/Tabari VIII:30 "
The Jews said, 'We will never abandon the Torah or exchange it for the Qur'an.' Asad said, 'Since you reject this proposal of mine, then kill your children and your wives and go out to Muhammad and his Companions as men who brandish swords, leaving behind no impediments to worry you. If you die, you shall have left nothing behind; if you win you shall find other women and children.' The Jews replied, 'Why would we kill these poor ones? What would be the good of living after them?'"
We will soon learn what Mohammed meant when he said the Jews would "find" "other women and children" if they joined company. So offer number two was to kill their own wives and children, obviously abrogating the "no compulsion in religion" drivel, that Mohammed quipped in his earlier pre-Hijra Mecca days.
Some Muslims suggest this was "Allah's" will, but whose judgment was actually passed on the Jews?
Ishaq:463/Tabari VIII:34 "
When Sa'd reached the Messenger of Allah and the Muslims, the Prophet said, 'Arise and go to your master and help him dismount.' Then Muhammad said, 'Pass judgment on them.' Sa'd replied, 'I pass judgment that their men shall be killed, their women and children made captives, and their property divided.' Allah's Apostle proclaimed, 'You have passed judgment on the Jews with the judgment of Allah and the judgment of His Messenger.'"
So it wasn't even Mohammed receiving a "revelation" that determined what was to be done with the Jews, but rather Mohammed deferred to his booty and sex coveting sidekick Sa'd to pass judgment.
Bukhari:V5B59N448 "
They then surrendered to the Prophet's judgment but he directed them to Sa'd to give the verdict. Sad said, 'I give my judgment that their men should be killed, their women and children should be taken as captives, and their properties distributed.'"
Which of course was really the whole object of the assault in the first place, since Mohammed and his followers didn't have jobs or sources of income other than that looted from caravans, and otherwise stolen from honest, hard working, and productive people like the Banu Qurayza farmers.
Muslims claim a "faith of Abraham" but what did Abraham do after vanquishing Yahweh's enemies - by Yahweh's direct command - who then freely offered Abraham their property?
Genesis 14:21
And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself. 22 And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth, 23 That I will not [take] from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that [is] thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:Abraham was a man of God.
Exodus 20:15
Thou shalt not steal.Qur'an 33:26 "
Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things."
Mohammed's "Allah" revealed as a terrorist, who "took down" Yahweh's people. Just as Mohammed's followers - including leaders of Islamic nation States - in the cradle of his religion today, desire to kill the Jews, and "drive them into the sea".
Tabari VIII:38 "
The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims."
Abu Dawud 38:4390
Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayza. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.So all those innocent young farm boys were beheaded while their sisters, mothers and grandmothers looked on. Unfortunately that wasn't the worst of it for the women.
Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "
The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."
Tabari VIII:40 "
The Messenger of God commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence."
So Mohammed sat down to relax and enjoy the spectacle of innocent Jewish farm boys having their heads cut off in front of him. It's easy to see the model for Hitler's holocaust, but even Hitler didn't have the chutzpah to visit his own gas chambers.
A real piece of work eigh?Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "
Huyayy, the enemy of Allah, was brought out. He was wearing a rose-colored suit of clothes that he had torn all over with fingertip-sized holes so that it would not be taken as booty. His hands were bound to his neck with a rope. When he looked at Muhammad he said, 'I do not regret opposing you. Whoever forsakes God will be damned.' He sat down and was beheaded."
Seems like some kind of perverse 'straw man argument' as far as I can see.
Far worse, since 1.5 billion people who over 1400 years slaughtered and subjugated everyone in their path to DISbelieve Christ was crucified and thus reject His shed blood, and deny and blaspheme the Son of God as articles in their faith in THE false prophet Muhammad.
The religion is so transparently and conspicuously false, for 1400 years Muhammad's orthodox followers have had to impose the death penalty for "apostasy", or leaving Islam is death. Just like the Mafia.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/death_penalty_apostasy.htmEven for speaking against Muhammad or Islam:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/blasphemy_laws.htmIf this is true, then logically it must become impossible to accept him as a "prophet" of God since he had such a dysfunctional view of the religious teachings which preceded him to abrogate?
Real prophets don't think their way into prophesying. Real prophets are inspired by God to write what they dream, or vision they have, or what Jesus otherwise inspires them to write.
Besides the conspicuously self-serving suras that Muhammad "revealed" to himself, like a special sura to proclaim that he didn't get his material from Jabr, and another that afforded him all the wives he wanted - but only for Muhammad, and another that allowed him to steal his monomogous step-son's only wife, and another that lavished on him 1/5 of all the property they stole from others, I believe Muhammad was indeed inspired to author at least a little of the Quran even if only verbally. The difference of course being that Muhammad's inspiration came from Satan.
Surely? Ie, a prophet who refutes that which never was is no prophet at all. I would confidently say so anyway.