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http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=337.0A Muslim wrote: "Our Prophet once said "the Muslims do not lie", on the other hand YOUR BOOK prompts you to lie If through my lies Gods truth abounds to His glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner? (Romans 3:7)"
This has been presented to me on more than a couple of occasions. Indeed one of the more entertaining proof-texted backfires.
First their famous Greek sophist styled entertainer Ahmed Deedat is a perfect example of a Muslim liar.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=268.0And of course "taqiyyah", or dissimulation, is widely practiced throughout Islam.
The very same Epistle that Deedat taught confirmed Mohammed, we find that God Himself made Deedat a liar for not believing in the record that He gave us of His Son:
1Jo 5:10
He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.Regarding Romans 3:7, we learn from the very next verse what the proof-texted verse from Romans is all about:
Rom 3:7
For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? 8 And not [rather], (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.Ironically the Muslims who suggest that this verse represents the opposite of what it does, actually become the "slanderous reporters" about which Paul writes!
Verse 7 ends with an acknowledgment that one who lies in God's service is a sinner, that will meet the end detailed in verse 8.
Interestingly though, taqiyyah, or lying in the way of Allah is a perfectly acceptable Muslim thing to do. Particularly lying to preserve one's own skin by denying that a Muslim is a Muslim if it will accomplish that.
Obviously a very different matter for Christians:
Mat 10:33
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Not denying Jesus Christ has cost millions of martyrs their lives.
Ironically, the person who presented the out of context verse actually made themself just another "slanderous reporter"!
And of course, the conclusion of verse 8 makes clear the end, of doing evil "that good may come", is. A just damnation.
More context:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rom&c=3&v=7&t=KJV#7As an aside, the same Muslim quoted at the beginning of this thread wrote:
"Pete, you don't know how happy I am to know your opinion about those who misconstrues God's words and I hope that one day you will stop being one of them.
As for (Romans 3:7), well, SURPRISE. I quoted it from a CHRISTIAN website criticizing Paul for being a LIAR. (jdstone. org)
And regarding this (slanderous) thing, just look who's talking. I can not find a more accurate word to describe your videos."
So I thought I would visit the website that the Muslim cited and found from the alleged "CHRISTIAN website" jdstone.org:
From jdstone:
"Do not fall into the subtle trap set by Christian clergy or missionaries when they want to discuss Jesus (god incarnate/Invisible Man in the Sky). They love to start questioning you right off with; Do you know Jesus? For you to answer this ridiculous question requires that you accept their premise ? that Jesus actually lived. REJECT that premise right at the start, for it is false!"
Isn't that ironic?
While the Muslim leveled accusations of lying he supported it all with a blasphemous atheist site, while calling it a Christian site. But then they often cite communists and atheists, like George Bernard Shaw and other spiritless people, who lauded Islam.
