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Birds Decimating an Army by Stoning
« on: July 18, 2010, 08:35:25 AM »
Finally we have some actual Islamic historical record!
Islamic history that was recorded after the "year of the elephant" at which time Islamic history began to be recorded.
Let's see what that record has to say.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1562.msg6715#msg6715

The Ka'bah is not exactly cubical and its sides are not of the same length. The Holy Sanctuary (Haram) of which Ka'abah is at the center remains open day and night throughout the year and it is always filled with people praying and supplicating to Allah (the One True God). Muslims face toward it during prayer forming circle in the Haram (Holy House) and the circle extends out in this manner throughout the planet Earth.

The holy sanctuary (Haram) has remained unconquerable. Abraha al-Ashram, the Abbysinian viceroy of Yemen, tried to demolish it in 570 CE with a strong army and hordes of elephants but was prevented from entering the city (Holy precinct). The people of Makkah had decided not to defend the Ka'bah, fled the city and took refuge in nearby hills overlooking Ka'bah. By Allah's Command, the 'Abaabeel' (flying creatures, birds) pelted stones at Abraha's army and decimated it, leaving them like green crops devoured by cattle. This incident is described in the Surah (chapter) 105 of the Qur'an. The year 570 CE is popularly known by the Arabs as 'The year of the Elephant,' and Prophet Muhammad was born in that year.

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Re: Birds Decimating an Army by Stoning
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2010, 08:45:43 AM »
The Ka'bah is not exactly cubical and its sides are not of the same length. The Holy Sanctuary (Haram) of which Ka'abah is at the center remains open day and night throughout the year and it is always filled with people praying and supplicating to Allah (the One True God). Muslims face toward it during prayer forming circle in the Haram (Holy House) and the circle extends out in this manner throughout the planet Earth.

The holy sanctuary (Haram) has remained unconquerable. Abraha al-Ashram, the Abbysinian viceroy of Yemen, tried to demolish it in 570 CE with a strong army and hordes of elephants but was prevented from entering the city (Holy precinct). The people of Makkah had decided not to defend the Ka'bah, fled the city and took refuge in nearby hills overlooking Ka'bah. By Allah's Command, the 'Abaabeel' (flying creatures, birds) pelted stones at Abraha's army and decimated it, ........

So then birds "decimated" an army by pelting it with stones?

........ leaving them like green crops ..........

Leaving what like "green crops"? The men? The elephants?
How can men be left like green crops? Did they magically turn into green crops?

.......... devoured by cattle.

And then cattle ate the men and elephants?

This incident is described in the Surah (chapter) 105 of the Qur'an. The year 570 CE is popularly known by the Arabs as 'The year of the Elephant,' and Prophet Muhammad was born in that year.

Indeed it is and I'd like to thank you for pointing that out.
Sura 105.1 Seest thou not how thy Lord dealt with the Companions of the Elephant? 2 Did He not make their treacherous plan go astray? 3 And He sent against them Flights of Birds, 4 Striking them with stones of baked clay. 5 Then did He make them like an empty field of stalks and straw, (of which the corn) has been eaten up.

So how did the birds bake the clay stones?

For additional context when we can consider that Mohammed also claimed he took an overnight ride on a flying donkey-mule to Jerusalem, heaven and back to Mecca by morning.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1253.0

To Muslim read-only participants of this forum, who are beginning to have the scales removed from your eyes with truth, are you comfortable believing these fantastic stories?

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Re: Birds Decimating an Army by Stoning
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2010, 11:29:23 AM »
The Ka'bah is not exactly cubical and its sides are not of the same length. The Holy Sanctuary (Haram) of which Ka'abah is at the center remains open day and night throughout the year and it is always filled with people praying and supplicating to Allah (the One True God). Muslims face toward it during prayer forming circle in the Haram (Holy House) and the circle extends out in this manner throughout the planet Earth.

The holy sanctuary (Haram) has remained unconquerable. Abraha al-Ashram, the Abbysinian viceroy of Yemen, tried to demolish it in 570 CE with a strong army and hordes of elephants but was prevented from entering the city (Holy precinct). The people of Makkah had decided not to defend the Ka'bah, fled the city and took refuge in nearby hills overlooking Ka'bah. By Allah's Command, the 'Abaabeel' (flying creatures, birds) pelted stones at Abraha's army and decimated it, ........


THIS IS NOT WITHIN YOUR ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND, THIS IS FROM THE QURAN, THIS IS FOR GO-FEARING PEOPLE
MUSHRIHKS WONT UNDERSTAND THIS A THIS IS THE TRUTH,MUSHRIHKS CAN ONLY RELATE TO FALSHOOD.

YOUR REMARKS ARE CHILDLIKE, YOUR QUESTIONS POINT TO THE FACT THAT YOU ARE REBELLIOUS AGAINST GOD AND THAT YOU HAVE NO INCLINATION TOWARD THE TRUTH.

I READ MANY DOCUMENTS, COMMENTARIES AND HISTORY BOOKS AND SCIENCE AND BOOKS ON EVOLUTION EVEN THE LITTLE GUYS LIKE HOVIND AND HIS THEORIES, ELLIS SKOLFIELD AND HIS THEORIES AND READ IT OBJECTIVELY TO THE POINT WHERE THEY MAKE ASSUMPTIONS AND GIVE THEIR VIEW, THAT PART I EXCLUDE,


So then birds "decimated" an army by pelting it with stones?

PICTURE THOUSANDS OF BIRDS WITH SHARP STONES IN THEIR BEAKS, DROPPING IT ON AN ARMY.

........ leaving them like green crops ..........

Leaving what like "green crops"? The men? The elephants?
How can men be left like green crops? Did they magically turn into green crops?

PICTURE STALKS IN THE FIELD, CORN STALKS, ARE YOU FROM THE CITY, YOU NEED TO GET OUT MORE.


.......... devoured by cattle.

And then cattle ate the men and elephants?
ARE YOU MENTALLY CHALLENGED, OR CAN YOU NOT RELATE TO A SIMPLE METAPHOR.

This incident is described in the Surah (chapter) 105 of the Qur'an. The year 570 CE is popularly known by the Arabs as 'The year of the Elephant,' and Prophet Muhammad was born in that year.

Indeed it is and I'd like to thank you for pointing that out.
Sura 105.1 Seest thou not how thy Lord dealt with the Companions of the Elephant? 2 Did He not make their treacherous plan go astray? 3 And He sent against them Flights of Birds, 4 Striking them with stones of baked clay. 5 Then did He make them like an empty field of stalks and straw, (of which the corn) has been eaten up.

So how did the birds bake the clay stones?

WHERE DOES IT SAY THE BIRDS BAKED THE CLAY, THE SUN IN THE DESERT, KEEP UP, I KNOW YOU ARE MENTALLY CHALLENGED BUT ASK A QUESTION AND I WILL GLADLY ANSWER IT FOR YOU, YOU ARE AFTER ALL DEAF DUMB AND BLIND TO THE TRUTH.

For additional context when we can consider that Mohammed also claimed he took an overnight ride on a flying donkey-mule to Jerusalem, heaven and back to Mecca by morning.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1253.0

To Muslim read-only participants of this forum, who are beginning to have the scales removed from your eyes with truth, are you comfortable believing these fantastic stories?

THE ANTASTIC STORIES HAVE A POINT, BRING YOU CLOSER TO ALLAH, BUT IF YOU ARE GODLESS THEN BELIEVE THIS FANATICAL STORY (I MEAN FANTASTICAL STORY THAT SOMEONE (A GOD DIED) AND YOU ARE NOW SINLESS AND WILL ENJOY HEAVEN: BECAUSE A GOD DIED, YOU ARE FREE, EAT WHAT YOU WANT, ENJOY THE FRUITS OF THE EARTH, NO LAWS EXCEPT THAT OF THE KUFFAAR (GOVT) GODLESS PEOPLE, FOLLOW THE LAWS OF THE LAND AS MADE-UP BY MEN, GODS LAW SHARIA IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO GODLESS PEOPLE

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Re: Birds Decimating an Army by Stoning
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2010, 02:15:59 PM »
THIS IS NOT WITHIN YOUR ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND, THIS IS FROM THE QURAN, THIS IS FOR GO-FEARING PEOPLE .......

I'm sorry but it's for Mohammed "fearing" people.

........ MUSHRIHKS WONT UNDERSTAND THIS A THIS IS THE TRUTH,MUSHRIHKS CAN ONLY RELATE TO FALSHOOD.

YOUR REMARKS ARE CHILDLIKE, .....

I see. So my remarks are childlike, but not Mohammed and his boys story is ......... sophisticated?

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Re: Birds Decimating an Army by Stoning
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2010, 02:18:32 PM »
So then birds "decimated" an army by pelting it with stones?

PICTURE THOUSANDS OF BIRDS WITH SHARP STONES IN THEIR BEAKS, DROPPING IT ON AN ARMY.

Sure, I can picture it just like I can picture Ali Babba's flying carpet, Aladdin's lamp, the Zoroastrian flying camel, Pegasus and Mohammed's flying donkey-mule.

Since all of Islamic history prior to the "year of the elephant", is nothing more than a fiction created by 7th and 8th century Muslims, this story would seem to be perfectly consistent with that. Like the created "traditions" that suggest that the kaaba existed before pagans from Yemen built it in the early 5th century for moon, sun, star and demon/jinn worship.

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Re: Birds Decimating an Army by Stoning
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2010, 05:26:22 PM »
So then birds "decimated" an army by pelting it with stones?

PICTURE THOUSANDS OF BIRDS WITH SHARP STONES IN THEIR BEAKS, DROPPING IT ON AN ARMY.

Sure, I can picture it just like I can picture Ali Babba's flying carpet, Aladdin's lamp, the Zoroastrian flying camel, Pegasus and Mohammed's flying donkey-mule.

Since all of Islamic history prior to the "year of the elephant", is nothing more than a fiction created by 7th and 8th century Muslims, this story would seem to be perfectly consistent with that. Like the created "traditions" that suggest that the kaaba existed before pagans from Yemen built it in the early 5th century for moon, sun, star and demon/jinn worship.

Have you read the QURAN? IN ARABIC? YOU CAN ONLY MAKE A STATEMENT IF YOU STUDIED THE QURAN IN ARABIC UNDER THE AUSPICES OF A LEARNED TEACHER>

THERE IS AN ASPECT TO THE QURAN THAT A GOD_LESS PERSON MISSES< A BEAUTIFUL RYTHM THAT REVEALS THE MEANING TO THE READER OR LISTENER. HENCE THE VERSE< DEAF DUMB AND BLIND YET THEY HAVE SIGHT AND EARS
You have read snippets , unqualified commentators and out of context Hadith with SATAN as your teacher, it follows that you would not understand a BOOK FROM ALLAH,NOT THE TRUTH IN THE GOSPELS OR MUHAMMAD Sallaah alayhiwasallam the final messenger of ALLAH.

Here are the VERSES PERTANING TO YOUR CONDITION:
deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).
Al-Baqara [2:171]
   
The parable of those who reject faith is as if one were to shout like a goat-herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries; deaf, dumb, and blind. They are void of wisdom.
Al-Maeda [5:71]

They thought there would be no trial (or punishment); so they became blind and deaf: yet Allah (in mercy) turned to them: yet again many of them became blind and deaf. But Allah sees well all that they do.
Al-Anaam [6:39]    

Those who reject Our Signs are deaf and dumb in the midst of darkness profound: whom Allah willeth He leaveth to wander; whom He willeth, He placeth on the way that is straight.
Al-Anfal [8:22]    

For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are the deaf and the dumb? those who understand not.
Yunus [10:42]    

Among them are some who (pretend to) listen to thee: but canst thou make the deaf to hear even though they are without understanding?
Hud [11:24]    

These two kinds (of men) may be compared to the blind and deaf, and those who can see and hear well. Are they equal when compared? Will ye not then take heed?
Al-Isra [17:97]    

It is he whom Allah guides, that is on true guidance; but he whom He leaves astray,? for such wilt thou find no protector besides Him. On the Day of Judgment We shall gather them together, prone on their faces, blind, dumb, and deaf: their abode will be Hell: every time it shows abatement, We shall increase for them the fierceness of the Fire.
Al-Anbiya [21:45]    

Say "I do but warn you according to revelation": but the deaf will not hear the call, (even) when they are warned!
Al-Furqan [25:73]    

Those who, when they are admonished with the Signs of their Lord, droop not down at them as if they were deaf or blind:
An-Naml [27:80]    

Truly thou canst not cause the Dead to listen, nor canst thou cause the deaf to hear the call (especially) when they turn back in retreat.
Ar-Room [30:52]    

So verily thou canst not make the dead to hear, nor canst thou make the deaf to hear the call, when they show their backs and turn away.
Az-Zukhruf [43:40]    

Canst thou then make the deaf to hear, or give direction to the blind or to such as (wander) in manifest error?
Muhammad [47:23]    

Such are the men whom Allah has cursed, for He has made them deaf and blinded their sight.


YES the HOLY QURAN is highly sophisticated written in the best language on earth (40% of English is from Arabic and the numerals you use in your bible is the very symbols of the Language of Muhammad (BELOVED OF ALLAH).
FICTION? HOW CAN YOU CLAIM THAT WHEN IT SPEAKS OF JESUS BORN OF MARY< MESSIAH WHO WAS ASCENDED INTO THE COURT OF ALLAH AND WHO WILL COME AGAIN, DO YOU DENY SCRIPTURE?


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Re: Birds Decimating an Army by Stoning
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2010, 11:29:53 PM »
So then birds "decimated" an army by pelting it with stones?

PICTURE THOUSANDS OF BIRDS WITH SHARP STONES IN THEIR BEAKS, DROPPING IT ON AN ARMY.

Sure, I can picture it just like I can picture Ali Babba's flying carpet, Aladdin's lamp, the Zoroastrian flying camel, Pegasus and Mohammed's flying donkey-mule.

Since all of Islamic history prior to the "year of the elephant", is nothing more than a fiction created by 7th and 8th century Muslims, this story would seem to be perfectly consistent with that. Like the created "traditions" that suggest that the kaaba existed before pagans from Yemen built it in the early 5th century for moon, sun, star and demon/jinn worship.

Have you read the QURAN?

Not the whole thing yet. But my favorite part so far is Mohammed's chicken and wine serving men's club brothel he calls "paradise".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=264.0
Though Mohammed's ride on his flying donkey-mule rates a close second.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1253.0

The only reason you have for rejecting God and believing Mohammed's nonsense, is because Mohammed instructed you to believe his nonsense.

Do not respond to threads further until you have answered the post at this link.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1259.15