Pret KoK wrote:
"The only thing we'd argue is who the anti-christ is... you say Islam, and I say Nero Caesar. Banging my head against a wall with someone who can't follow the logic is not that important to me right now..."Pete:
First off, which of the 4 verses that contain the term antichrist indicate an individual? (No
New Age bible versions please. KJV and it's basis the Textus Receptus, in a TR Greek-English interlinear are OK. NO 19th century Westcott and Hort, or it's spawn Nestle Aland, etc.)
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=175.0I say Islam is antichrist, not "the" antichrist, because the bible indicates Islam is.
Surah 9.30 THE JEWS CALL "UZAIR A SON OF GOD, AND THE CHRISTIANS CALL CHRIST THE SON OF GOD. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. GOD'S CURSE BE ON THEM: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST JESUS the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT:-
Hebrews 10:29
Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?Sura 19:88
They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.1John 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth HIM THAT BEGAT loveth HIM also THAT IS BEGOTTEN of him.
Jhn 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM. Would you suggest that Islam
is not antichrist through your "logic"? That there are not 1.5 billion antichrists in Islam?
Can your "logic" allow that Islam is the only anti-another-religion, religion? Can it recognize a false prophet that has led his minions for 1400 years, with the spirit of anitchrist manifest as the most important fundamental in this false prophet's religion (
shirk)?
Maybe that's the difficulty with relying on our failed human, (or
Alcazar doctrine derived) "logic" instead of the Word of God.
