ran (2 weeks ago)
it's just strange to me that the greatest commandmet in the old testament is that god is one and jesus even says himself that the greatest number one commandment is that god is one. he never said god is me the father and the holy ghost. he said ONE. just little things like that, even about eating pork. muslims don't eat pork most christians i know do even though the law says not to. and jesus said to follow all the laws no matter how small it is.
PeteWaldo (2 weeks ago)
John 10:30 I AND [MY] FATHER ARE ONE.
You are not a Jew:
Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
(Acts 10:13-15)
Please answer the following:
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form,... And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Exd 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,
DOES GOD HAVE A SPIRIT?
ran (2 weeks ago)
i and my father are one is not a claim of divinity . but if god knows the future then god did send him to his death. god is a spirit yes. and its not my logic its the trinity logic which makes no sense
PeteWaldo (2 weeks ago)
Of course it was a claim of divinity.
"...ARE ONE. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him."
Why do you think the Jews wanted to stone him? Because they thought His claim was funny?
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him:
Why on earth do you think He was crucified?
The verse from Genesis says
"...the Spirit OF God...".
Are you saying that God is only a spirit?
ran (2 weeks ago)
you have to read the context of the verse it says that jesus followers no one can pluck them out of his hand then he says my father who is greater than all no one can pluck them out if his hand. then he says i and my father are one. ONE with the message that he brings and one in purpose. not one as a person. cause jesus says the same thing to the diciples that god in him (jesus) and that he is in the diciples and they all are one.
ran (2 weeks ago)
sorry jesus says to the diciples that god is in him and he is in the diciples and they all are one. it's very clear. and the phrase I AM is not a claim of divinity because in the knowledge of god we all were. that does not mean we get permoted to the position of god head. jesus also says after he says i and my father are one. that it is written in your scriptures that ye are gods. and to a person that the word of god has come to and you call that perosn god the scipture can not be brocken.
PeteWaldo (2 weeks ago)
It's not only a claim of divinity but a statement that God and Jesus are coexistent. Jesus was before Abraham.
You will never be able to proof text your way into Islam through selective use of the Word of God. Islam denies the WHOLE SUBJECT of the New Testament.
This would be far easier to discuss in the forum where we have room and can quote, link, etc.. You could use any user name you want. You don't have to be identified with your YouTube ID.
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=20.0
ran (1 week ago)
people watch this video and think the websit that he takes you to is an islamic website. just cause there is a sight so called about islam they think a muslim put it up. but have no certain knowledge. people let youtube videos decide what they believe in and do no reading.
ran (1 week ago)
cross swords is not a sign for islam. and greek and arabic are to different languages. this guy is giving misinformation. you can also prove that the bible is the devil just by taking certain parts and twisting it just a little. islam is not antichrist. even though i am not muslim but it says in the quran that jesus is most certainly the messiah or translated christ. and jesus says whoever confess that he is the messiah is of god. he never says anything about having to believe he is god the sun.
PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
You seem to be parroting the playbook of the famous Islamic sophist and lying deceiver Ahmed Deedat, and his false conclusions, based on a false verse of scripture of his own invention. His fraud is exposed here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYcDZM8Hmg0But what does God's Word REALLY say?
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:...
PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
Deedat even hillariously suggested that the First Epistle of John supports Islam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_lM0d5T5hQHave you ever read it? It is short and easy to read.
Here is the same version (KJV) Deedat pretended to quote from:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=179.0PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
"...even though i am not muslim..."
Then why would you defend Satan's playbook?
1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave of his Son.
(Another verse from John's first epistle that Deedat claimed supports Islam)
ran (1 week ago)
and the word jesus uses to refer to himself the most is sun of man. meaning he is human. and the bible says that .... god is not a man ... not the sun of man that he should confess. HEAR O IRARL YOUR LORD YOUR GOD IS ONE LORD NOT THREE TWO OR FIVE. O..N..E... CINGULAR... ONE NOT TRIUNE. CAUSE TRINITY GOES ANGAIST THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS.
PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
How could you ever expect to understand, when you've reduced God to being only a spirit?
Even Islam teaches differently than that.
What does Ruhullah mean, if not "the Spirit OF God"?
Copy and paste this into Yahoo - ruhullah? "the spirit OF god"
ran(1 week ago)
i don't know why people can't see that the idea that god gave a son to die for the sins of humanity is already there before jesus and even the crucified son. do not whoreship graven images. and jesus on the cross is just that. understand true monotheism and true idolitry. not even the jews whoreship a graven image but christians say that jews believe in nothing and jews say christians believe in nothing but yet they read the same scriptures (old testament).
PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
You seem to be confusing Christianity with the likenesses of things in heaven that we find adorning buildings of the Roman Catholocs or Greek Orthodox.
At the same time you seem to be ignoring the black stone that Muslims bow toward 5 times a day. That Muslims travel to, and prance around and around, day after day, hoping to culminate in an opportunity to rub on it or kiss it. Even the pope bowed toward it from inside a mosque. Another pope kissed the very book that blasphemes God.
ran (1 week ago)
i am not christian or muslim. but show me one place in the bible where jesus says himself for everyone to whorship him after he dies and says that he is god. then i will except christianity. and don't give out of context verses.... show me a clear and explict statement. this is just one of the challenges christians can't answer then they start looking in the Ambiguous verses. the quran says people who are deluted will go looking for meaning in ambiguous verses instead of the clear ones.
PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
Christians worship God, through Jesus Christ.
Muslims are polytheist hypocrites using their own measure (36 second video):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O31ud9yQjh4ran (1 week ago)
i did not mean to say jews whoreship a graven image. but christians do.
PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
You don't understand what a Christian is.
I can help with that, but not in this hopeless 500 character drive-by format. Nor much easier in the dark alley of PMing.
Please come join me in the forum. It will be just you and I. I can answer all these questions a lot more effectively. You will find that it is a VERY quiet place. I don't spare unsound Christian doctrine any more than I do Islam. I air all the dirty laundry I can find.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?ran (1 week ago)
the rock is not a graven image neither do they whoreship it. have you ever seen someone stand on the thing which they whoreship? the answer is NO. muslims do this it's a sacred place. thats why they go in a circle around it to represent that a circle has one center and there is only one true god. muslims don't know idolitry.
PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
The God of Christians is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient. We don't need to march around a rock or bow toward a place that housed pagan idols.
ran (1 week ago)
christians whoreship a graven image plus an idol. which the bible is totaly against. they turned the relegion of jesus to a relegion about jesus. jesus was an example. he never came to bring a new testament he said himself that he has not come to abolish but he came to forfill which had come before him. so there is no new testament there is one testament and it's gods word. so this new testament or aggrement or new convenant is actually the old testament.
PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
New covenant prophesied:
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jesus IS the new covenant fulfillment of the old covenant. The subject of that fulfillment is WHAT THE NEW TESTAMENT IS ABOUT.
You are simply saying that you REJECT ALL OF THE PROPHETS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, in favor of a single 6th century reprobate that was, and taught, THE EXACT OPPOSITE.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_the_opposite.htmPeteWaldo (1 week ago)
By your own measure, you guys are simply polytheistic hypocrites.
Summed up in a 36 second video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O31ud9yQjh4ran (6 days ago)
it's so clear that they made jesus into a god over time. they were not even sure what they should whorship until everyone was on the same page. i think you might have heard about the council of nicea with constitine. and how they took pegan beliefs and mixed it with the relegion of jesus which was not christianity. and what you got now is a river of monotheism mixed with a river of pagenism. you can't even tell the differece anymore. when you start saying stuff like mangod a lot of problems come
PeteWaldo (6 days ago)
Over 5300 partial or complete manuscripts of Gods Word were penned prior to 300AD, in virtually every language that was known to man, that were read all over the known world.
To suggest it was tampered with would require that scribes from Syria, Babylonia, Galatia, Asia, India, Rome, Egypt, Greece, Carthage, Tarshish and Macedonia - to name a few - all made the same mistake, at the same time, for the same doctrinal purpose.
Preposterous notion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R2Zp7T5XlAYou are antichrist, my friend
ran (6 days ago)
unlike jewdaism islam execpts all messengers. christianity and jew is only a lable. if you ask jesus what he relegion is he will say total submission to god. and in arabic there is a short word for it. MUSLIM. you say i pretend. so why do you pretend that jesus was not given the same attributes as pagen gods like mythra. and why do you pretend that you are not doing idol whorship. and why do you pretend that you are whorshiping one god. trinity is not ONE. and is a self contradiction.
PeteWaldo (6 days ago)
"unlike jewdaism islam execpts all messengers"
This is a bald faced lie. You reject ALL of the New Testament prophets, and you REJECT JESUS CHRIST and THE ENTIRE SUBJECT OF THE NEW COVENANT that the New Testament IS ABOUT.
You blaspheme Jesus Christ EVERY TIME you deny His blood that would save you, and every time you deny that He is THE SON OF GOD.
You only believe your blasphemy to be "accepting", because the Islamic spirit of antichrist has inverted truth with lies before your eyes.
ran (5 days ago)
not tampered with but ideas that would be easy to except were put in it along with gods word that came through jesus. if the trinity were and important it would have been in the old testement. christianity was shaped cause of certain political times.
PeteWaldo (4 days ago)
It was. The type for Jesus sacrifice is found in the story of Abraham and Isaac.
The blood sacrifice of animals was old covenant atonement, that Jesus fulfilled with ONE sacrifice, in the new covenant.
OT prophesy:
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
PeteWaldo (4 days ago)
OT prophecy of Jesus:
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Even Mulsims believe Jesus was born of a virgin by the will of God.
OT prophecy crucifixion:
Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
Your false claim is misguided.
ran (3 days ago)
jesus had no government on his shoulders. abraham was being tested but god would not actually let him kill his son that would be unjust. just like saying god would kill his son to save the guilty. now is this justice? and jesus was not the only son of god. david was called gods begoten. so the jews are lost to even though they can read the old testament in their language they still don't see it. look for clear statements not unclear ones and look for meaning.
PeteWaldo (3 days ago)
Jesus is the king of kings. You write like a Pharisee. They expected Jesus to come as a mighty king.
What your carnal little mind and broken logic decides, what God would or wouldn't do, is irrelevant. We can only know God through His Word.
I am a son of God too but not begotten of God:
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
I believe God blinded some Jews to the Gospels - not lost
ran (3 days ago)
jewdaism and islam basicly the same. now christianity on the other hand i don't know what that is. when i look at it no disrepect it looks pagen. even the foods they eat. a muslim is able to eat the food killed by the jewish way. even the way they whorship. they don't bow to any idols. if a jew goes into a land with nowhere to whorship the can whorship with the muslims. but not with christian cause they don't whorship the same god.
PeteWaldo (3 days ago)
That's preposterous. Muslims follow 613 Jewish laws?
You can't know what Christianity is until you seek Jesus.
Muslims and you are all about the flesh. Trying to find God through our fleshly acts. Praying the prayers of the heathen.
Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
You are defiled as you blaspheme Jesus in these comments, at the same time that you think that not eating pork is a ticket to heaven.
ran (2 days ago)
i am not saying by not eating pork you will make it to heaven jesus says to keep all the laws no matter how small. jesus never says out of his own mouth to believe in his sacrifce to save you he said follow the laws. even david was called begotton son of god. this term is not speacial. and you say praying the prayers of the heathen. well let me tell you that jesus whorshiped the same way muslims do. HE FELL ON HIS FACE AND WHORSHIPED. tell me who is he bowing down to ? himself.
PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
Mat 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.
Muslims pray in THE EXACT MODEL of the heathen:
Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
What about men in hats?
1Cr 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having [his] head covered, dishonoureth his head.
Islam is always the PERFECT OPPOSITE:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_the_opposite.htmran (2 days ago)
Jesus lived as a jew.. Keep the laws and comandments. He said he came for a randsom not sacrifice not the same thing.
PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
Kept the laws? That's preposterous. Healing on the sabbath, disciples not washing, etc. etc.
That's why the pharisees hated Him. The pharisees had turned worship of God into a ritual, outside of the Word of God.
Jesus FULFILLED the law.
ran (1 day ago)
yes thats what jesus says... to keep the law not to whroship him.
PeteWaldo (23 hours ago)
Christians worship God through Jesus Christ.
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.
ran (20 hours ago)
I thought Jesus was god. So you whorship god through god. triune does not mean one. So when Jesus went to whorship did he whorship himself. You see my point your not whorshiping god but a man. Son of man meaning human.
PeteWaldo (35 minutes ago)
Jesus is God manifest in the flesh. A part of God. Like God's Spirit.
An example of a perfect sinless human being. A literal man in the flesh while manifest to mankind.
He did not remain in that state. He was crucified, died and resurrected. Then:
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
He will be our judge.
PeteWaldo (28 minutes ago)
Jesus is THE WAY to God.
Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Jesus is THE TRUTH. Mohammed and his phony book ARE THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and how God revealed Himself to us through the new covenant.
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
33...I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts;...
PeteWaldo (17 minutes ago)
Triune means 1. Try a Yahoo search:
ADJECTIVE: Being three in one
Your premise was false.
1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Try looking at it like Jesus IS HOW to worship God. By the way that God revealed Himself to us.
Does it make sense that THE EXACT OPPOSITE in a 6th century reprobate is HOW to worship God?
If you believe that God has a Spirit, you should already be mature enough to understand 2 in 1.
PeteWaldo (5 minutes ago)
Nobody has seen God. Try to even describe God. Simply put, God IS. His name is "I AM".
Maybe it would be easier if you looked at Jesus as God's face. He is how we can see God. Our mediator:
1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
