Another Mohammedan Islamist hoping to get lost in a blizzard of 500 character bits. Copy and pasted, but links made live.
More stunning display of support for Deedat's thoroughly exposed buffoonery, even after they have been shown that he fooled them with his sophist antics:
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1John 2:1 A total fabrication & a free license to commit any sin without repent. This is where ur bible fails the test f truth that as long as u believe jesus died for your sins you wont have to answer for anything? Also what does the word begotten mean? can you elaborate between a normal & begotten son?
brotherjw
If 1John 2:1 were the only verse in the bible, it might not be a stretch to agree with you. But...
1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you:...
This video will help a lot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ_26AE0G_8brotherjw
A normal son IS a begotten son. But was Jesus a normally begotten son? No.
You and I agree He was the only person in world history to be born of a virgin by the will of God. Who then, would His Father be?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geGTBo2X3sYChristians believe Jesus was made manifest, or revealed to us, by becoming a physical man in the flesh.
Consider the term begat:
1. To father; sire.
2. TO CAUSE TO EXIST OR OCCUR; produce: Violence begets more violence.
Did God cause the manifestation of Jesus to occur?
ran
just cause he has no father they say god is his father. so why don't you whorship adam or eve. adam had no father or mother. does not mean god begot him. all god has to say is be and it is. why would god have to beget a son. makes no sense. and beget means to have sex somehow. this is what christians attribute to god and jesus. oh look in the bible david was also gods son.
brotherjw
If you believe God is His Father, then Jesus is God's Son.
Didn't God put Jesus in the virgin Mary?
You saw the definition of begat yet you pretend you didn't. It's you that's not making sense.
NOBODY believes God had sex with Mary, because the account of the event is found in scripture.
Adam was made from dust, not begotten of a virgin. I know about Adam from the bible. I know about Jesus from the bible.
ran
the verse does exist he is right. i just read it in my bible. so don't say deedat is making lies when he is not. he is just reading from the bible.
brotherjw
It doesn't exist.
Again, Deedat: "It continues...The spirit that confesseth that Jesus is the Christ is of God."
He quoted out of the King James for the verse immediately before. Try this. Copy and paste in quotes:
"jesus is the christ"
into the window of this KJV e-bible:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKMMr4lZx2Eran
he says be and it is. thats all. beget is an amimal act of sex. this attribute does not belong to god. the word beggoten is not there in the original manuscripts. so it's a fabrication.
PeteWaldo
You mean you choose to pretend there is only one sense of the term beget, in your carnal little mind, because otherwise Mohammed is a liar. The term begat and begotten is in the Greek (gennao).
Deedat was a liar, which is also proven.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYcDZM8Hmg0But God already made Mohammed a liar, so no surprise:
1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because he BELIEVETH NOT THE RECORD THAT GOD GAVE OF HIS SON.
PeteWaldo
Your ignorance of the Greek made you a liar, but then you are a liar and blasphemer on many counts anyway, the most important of which is denying the blood that would buy you.
2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, AND BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.
Without His blood you will die wallowing in your sins.
ran
so you read out of 2nd peter, i hope you know that 2nd peter even by the christians is very strongly believed that it's a fabrication. my point is verses chapters are taken out of the bible as men please. it was men who decided what to put in and don't tell me they were all inspired by the holy spirit. if they put some other books not all , it would go right aloong with the quran, that jesus is not god or gods adopted son or whatever.
PeteWaldo
Don't be silly ran.
You reject ALL of the New Testament prophets, and THE WHOLE SUBJECT of the New Testament, in favor of a A SINGLE, 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic conquering, thief. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.
If ANY characterizations of Mohamed above are untrue per Quran and hadith, please advise.
ran
well i guess you also know that begtton son of god is not just used for jesus but other servants of god like david. but the christian would say jews and muslims are going to hell. even though jews and christians read from the same books they tell eachother they are wrong. Jeremiah chapter 8 verse 8 how do ye say: we are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? lo, certainly in vain made he it: the pen of the scribes is in vain.
PeteWaldo
I don't believe regenerate Jews are lost. Jews and Christians are submitted to God. Muslims are deluded by satan, through Mohammed, into believing they are.
Jesus carried the burden for Old Testament saints too:
Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Muslims ARE GENTILES that worship in a STAND-ALONE 6th century religion that Mohammed/satan created.
ran
Numbers chapter 23 verse 19 : god is not
a man, that he should lie: neither the SON OF MAN ( which jesus calls himself more then anything) that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Isaiah chapter 43 verse 11. I, even I, am the LORD, and beside me there is no saviour. and the closest thing to trinity was in 1st john chapter 5 verse 7 that there are three who bear witness in heaven. this verse is taken out of new bibles.
ran
they remember that jesus was riding a donkey but when it comes to core truths about the faith they play musical verses. they take out verses and put them in as they please. seee the games they play with the lamemen. as they find older manuscripts the closer they come to the real jesus. John chapter 5 verse 30. I can of mine own self do nothing: as i hear, i judge: and my judgement is just: because i seek not mine own will, but the will of the father which hath sent me.
PeteWaldo
Core truth:
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
Mohammedanism: the PERFECT OPPOSITE:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_the_opposite.htmPeteWaldo
Mat 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.
Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and WITHOUT SHEDDING OF BLOOD IS NO REMISSION.
Surah 4:157 That THEY SAID (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them,... FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT:-
Islam. The PERFECT anti-another-religion, religion.
B
As usual Pete a job well done. The truth that you teach shall set free. God bless you and keep you.
PeteWaldo
Thanks so much for the encouragement Bee.
As foolish as Deedat's suggestion, that the First Epistle of John confirms Mohammed, has made his adoring, applauding, bible-ignorant minions look, they still unwaveringly support him without even seeming embarrassed.
The spirit of antichrist is manifest as a perfect inversion of truth. An inability to see truth, and divorce from reality.
Even after watching the above video, most would still suggest that John's first epistle confirms Mohammedan Islam.
PeteWaldo
Here's another real Deedat corker!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKMMr4lZx2Eran
that's what Jesus says whoever confesses that Jesus the messiah is of god. He gives the test and the Quran passes even though you don't want to see. He does not say whoever confesses that he died for your sins. Its very clear. This is out of Jesus own mouth.
PeteWaldo
You apparently didn't watch the video.
There is no such verse in John's first epistle, or any other book of the bible, that suggests a test of your description.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKMMr4lZx2EPeteWaldo
The First Epistle of John offers us several, much simpler tests OF PERSONS:
1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 WHOSOEVER SHALL CONFESS THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because he BELIEVETH NOT THE RECORD THAT GOD GAVE OF HIS SON.
PeteWaldo
1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE SON OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.
1John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth HIM THAT BEGAT loveth HIM also THAT IS BEGOTTEN of him.
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:...
Islam is antichrist.
PeteWaldo
That you find you are so gullible, and yet even then choose to remain deluded by Deedat, ran, might spark a little cognitive dissonance in some, but more than likely the power of the spirit of antichrist will put an end to any of that.
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=191.0
ran
again I say Jesus never says he came to sacrifice himself for your sins everyone is responsible for his or her own sin. The son shall not bear the sins of the father vice versa . No one can take your sin except god when you repent. That's how it always been.
ran
Your not following the teachings of Jesus but following a man who never saw Jesus and gives his testimony on behalf of himself. U say the holy spirit inspired sol or Paul. How bout spirit of Antichrist. He did say he saw a light that looked like Jesus looked like meaning not sure.
PeteWaldo
Seems you've had an epiphany ranger. You would likely now agree that Deedat's suggestion that the First Epistle of John supports Mohammedan Islam, is simply more of his sophist buffoonery.
Your new tact is required, because an Islamist MUST NECESSARILY DENY ALL of the New Testament prophets, and it's WHOLE SUBJECT. And for what?
A 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, bloody imperialistic conqueror.
(The chat didn't end here! He gets right back up to go right back into Deedat's playbook. See a few posts down, or
click here.)
