Re: The Holy Land of the Prophets is really Mecca, not Jerusalem

[Mujaheed]

Your post is non-responsive to the questions raised by YOUR TOPIC. You were warned. That's it. Since 2 day bans haven't quite helped you see that you need to answer questions, rather than obfuscating and being entirely non-responsive, a 5 day ban is in order.
Upon your return do not stray from this thread until you are given the OK. Give direct and succinct replies to the questions, and to subsequent replies to your replies. If you do otherwise you will be banned again. No more warnings, since you ignore them anyway.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2064.msg8632#msg8632

Also 278 posts, ignoring our continuous begging and pleading for you to learn how to quote, is more than enough time. Goes way beyond sheer laziness. Any more goofed up posts on your return will be sent to spam until you repair them.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=39.0

Dear Peter and everyone else in this forum, I have had a close look at the posts and the topics and the manner in which Peter answers questions and post absurdities. Most of the Topics are way off the religious mark and too fabricated to discuss objectively, when I start a new topic or post and make a statement to clear up huge misconceptions or distortions I am labeled as unresponsive, I have come realise that I have approached the Topics incorrectly or from the wrong angle, like the story of Samson, I say first first Suicide Martyr and Peter says Self sacrifice as if there is difference in wording something differently. Where there is a huge a difference is in the manner he states what a MUSLIM believes and ALLAH, I cannot continue to speak to a person that is obstinate, down right rude and the direct opposite of JESUS even though he quotes Jesus he has no interest in the truth. The truth of the Quran is ridiculed even though I discuss the blasphemous verses of the BOOK (BIBLE or BIBLIOS) like the ones that clearly implies that satan is saved by knowing JESUS, i get an alternative explanation from PETER so the BIBLE SCHOLARS NEED DEFENDING BY A DOCTRINE so the words are contradictory. THE POINT I AM MAKING IS THAT THE FALSEHOOD OF THE BIBLE IS CORRUPTING THE PEOPLE ON EARTH AS VERY LITTLE GOOD HAS COME FROM THE CHURCH FATHERS< IN FACT THEIR SEEM TO BE MORE ATHEIST THAT COME FROM CHRISTIAN HOMES THAN ANY OTHER RELIGION AND THAT MANY ARE SEEING THE LIGHT OF ISLAM AND EMBRACING ISLAM> CANADA AND THE USA IS A POINT IN CASE>

THE MENTALITY IN THIS FORUM IS ALSO WAY BELOW THE DISCUSSIONS I AM ACCUSTOMED TO, MORE THE MANNERS AND THE APPROACH IS APPEALING FOR PEOPLE THAT SWEAR THEY LOVE JESUS (USUALLY NON AGGRESSIVE) BUT YOU INSULT< SWEAR FALSE OATHS< BEAR FALSE WITNESS AND DOWNRIGHT TELL BLATANT LIES LIKE THE MOON GOF THEORY AND PAGAN IDOLS AND JINN WORSHIP, SOMEWHAT DISTORTED FACTS, I DEMONSTRATED YOUR BIASE WITH THE STORY OF SAMSON, WHO KILLED 1000 men with the blessing and strength GOD GAVE HIM? THEN KILLED HIMSELF WHILE KILLING OTHERS, HOW would word that if Prophet Muhammad single handedly did the same thing? go on word it in your bias fashion.

THIS FORUM NEEDS A SERIOUS OVERALL, I am also to blame for indulging you.

[Peter]

This was Mujaheed's continuing non-responsive reply to the questions asked of him regarding HIS TOPIC on the thread at this link.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2057.msg8632#msg8632

Your post is non-responsive to the questions raised by YOUR TOPIC. You were warned. That's it. Since 2 day bans haven't quite helped you see that you need to answer questions, rather than obfuscating and being entirely non-responsive, a 5 day ban is in order.
Upon your return do not stray from this thread until you are given the OK. Give direct and succinct replies to the questions, and to subsequent replies to your replies. If you do otherwise you will be banned again. No more warnings, since you ignore them anyway.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2064.msg8632#msg8632

Also 278 posts, ignoring our continuous begging and pleading for you to learn how to quote, is more than enough time. Goes way beyond sheer laziness. Any more goofed up posts on your return will be sent to spam until you repair them.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=39.0

Dear Peter and everyone else in this forum, I have had a close look at the posts and the topics and the manner in which Peter answers questions and post absurdities. Most of the Topics are way off the religious mark ........

There is only one "religious mark" that a follower of Mohammed needs to understand.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

So you can tear the pages out of your bible and stick your Quran in it because Mohammed WAS and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE of everything the Gospel is.

Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

........ and too fabricated to discuss objectively, when I start a new topic or post and make a statement to clear up huge misconceptions or distortions ........

My friend your topic IS a huge misconception. That's why you still can't answer the two questions I asked.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2057.msg8632#msg8632

....... I am labeled as unresponsive, ........

You are labeled unresponsive because you are unresponsive. You refused to answer why Mohammed rode his flying donkey-mule all the way to Jerusalem, if you believe the prophets were born, lived and died in Mecca.
Why is the rock on the temple mount in Jerusalem, that the Dome of the Rock is built over, where Mohammed lied about tying up to the ring the "prophets" had used, and going into a temple to pray, that had been torn down 500 years previously.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1253.0

......... I have come realise that I have approached the Topics incorrectly or from the wrong angle, like the story of Samson, I say first first Suicide Martyr and Peter says Self sacrifice as if there is difference in wording something differently.

That's because there is a big difference. But that isn't our greatest difference in that thread. Our greatest difference is that you believe a murderer is a martyr as long as he is a Muslim.
You even had to run and hide from your own definition of martyr in that thread.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1899.msg8030#msg8030

Where there is a huge a difference is in the manner he states what a MUSLIM believes and ALLAH, I cannot continue to speak to a person that is obstinate, down right rude and the direct opposite of JESUS even though he quotes Jesus he has no interest in the truth.

Sadly, what you mistakenly believe to be truth, you believe simply because a 7th century southwest desert dwelling Arabian illiterate named Mohammed said it, and to believe in Mohammed and follow him you have to reject the shed blood of Jesus Christ, and the sacrifice he made for us all.
Jesus Christ was martyred and so were the apostles, prophets and 2,000 years of followers. But you can't see it, because Mohammed's followers have been among the prime persecutors God's people, throughout the last 1400 years. Whether the Islamic Jihad or teaming up with the Nazis or this second Islamic Jihad as we most recently witnessed confirmation with Iraqi Christians.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=51.0

The amazing thing is you actually believe that someone that is inadvertently killed, while engaged in imperialistic conquest and slaughter and subjugation of others, is a martyr.
http://www.homecomers.org/mirror/martyrs010.htm#67

[Peter]

The truth of the Quran is ridiculed .......

Only because it is ridiculous. That's why we have whole sections devoted to Mohammed's respun Arabic and Hebrew fables and self-serving verse. I would encourage you to read Craig Winn's "Prophet of Doom" to help you begin to see the truth.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1130.0

........ even though I discuss the blasphemous verses of the BOOK (BIBLE or BIBLIOS) like the ones that clearly implies that satan is saved by knowing JESUS, i get an alternative explanation from PETER so the BIBLE SCHOLARS NEED DEFENDING BY A DOCTRINE so the words are contradictory.

No, you falsely believe the Holy Scriptures to be blasphemy because you have to reject them to follow Mohammed, and you can't understand the things of the Spirit of God, for reasons I have repeatedly explained to you. And you will continue to misunderstand as long as you put your effort into MISunderstanding to follow Mohammed and his alter-ego "Allah" (Satan's) blasphemy against YHWH/Yahshua.

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

THE POINT I AM MAKING IS THAT THE FALSEHOOD OF THE BIBLE IS CORRUPTING THE PEOPLE ON EARTH

You say this even as you bow to the Quraish's black stone idol 5 times a day and are even required to travel to it and walk around it, just as the pagans before Mohammed did.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1952.0

[Peter]

AS VERY LITTLE GOOD HAS COME FROM THE CHURCH FATHERS< IN FACT THEIR SEEM TO BE MORE ATHEIST THAT COME FROM CHRISTIAN HOMES THAN ANY OTHER RELIGION ......

That's because if a Muslim wants to leave Mohammed's religion to become an atheist, the penalty is death, or at least in the west disinherited, loss of job, family, community, etc.
Christians try to love that person out of his misguided funk, not force him to bow to an idol in Mecca 5 times a day through the threat of death, or a penalty tax.

...... AND THAT MANY ARE SEEING THE LIGHT OF ISLAM AND EMBRACING ISLAM> CANADA AND THE USA IS A POINT IN CASE>

But according to your Islamic bean counters 3 out of 4 so-called converts leave Islam within a few years in the U.S.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWekSVdTgUI
See your problem is no matter how many times we explain things to you, you ignore them and just go in another circle. See how after waiting 5 days all you could do is come in and blather on, while still refusing to defend this topic that YOU put into the forum? The reason is, of course as we all know, the article is indefensible. Even from a Muslim perspective, without throwing out Mohammed's night journey and the Dome of the Rock.

That's also indicative as to why Islam thrives best among prisoners, and in third world countries, where folks are largely illiterate, and ignorant from being cut off from the rest of the world.

THE MENTALITY IN THIS FORUM IS ALSO WAY BELOW THE DISCUSSIONS I AM ACCUSTOMED TO, MORE THE MANNERS AND THE APPROACH IS APPEALING FOR PEOPLE THAT SWEAR THEY LOVE JESUS ......

But the second post you ever put in this forum told a different story. In response to your former brethren that tell their heart-warming stories of how they have come to know the love of the one true God through Jesus Christ you wrote...

"These videos lack inspiration, they are sad stories of obviously GOD_less individuals...."
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1900.msg8647#msg8647

So don't try to pretend that you came to be loved on by Christians. You came with a mouth filled with blasphemy, false accusation, and nonconstructive blather like this post, and your unresponsive posts have been that way from the start.

...... (USUALLY NON AGGRESSIVE) BUT YOU INSULT< ........

But it is you that has been doing all the insulting, false labeling, name-calling - and continuing false accusation as this right here - of forum members through your desperation and inability to support your beliefs.
Our focus is on Mohammed and Islam.
Why don't you search and see if you can find a single instance where one of us insulted you personally.
Yet we are witness to your continued false accusation in word after word.

[Peter]

....... SWEAR FALSE OATHS< ........

Again, simply saying something doesn't make it magically come true. Where in the entire history of the forum has anyone ever sworn an oath? What swearing of oaths are you referring to? Can you see how lies flow from your lips as easily as "hello"? That's because you follow the father of lies through his false prophet Mohammed.

........ BEAR FALSE WITNESS AND DOWNRIGHT TELL BLATANT LIES LIKE THE MOON GOF THEORY ......

That's because the EVIDENCE suggests that the name Allah came from the Arabian moon godls name.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1240.0
"Allah" WILL NEVER be the name of YHWH, that occurs nearly 7,000 times in scripture.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2029.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1728.0

Yet the only evidence you have brought to this forum to suggest that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD or it's kaaba before the early 5th century when pagan immigrants from Yemen built it for moon, sun, star and jinn-demon worship, is this ridiculous 1984 article that made the preposterous suggestion that the prophets were born, lived and died in Mecca, instead of Jerusalem.

....... AND PAGAN IDOLS .....

It cannot be denied that the black stone idol that you bow toward 5 times a day was the Quraish's black stone idol before Mohammed.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2039.0

...... AND JINN WORSHIP, ...............

The evidence is there for all to consider and decide for themselves. Running between Safa and Marwah was a ritual of Arabian Jinn demon worship. Sorry my friend, but even some of Mohammed's closest followers recognized it as such.

Asem told us that he said to Uns bin Malek, a companion of Mohammed, “You were hating to encompass around the Safa and Marwa.”  He answered, “Yes, because it was one of the pagan rites of Jahiliyah..... (Sahih al-Bukhari, 2, page 171)
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1784.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1952.0

............... SOMEWHAT DISTORTED FACTS, I DEMONSTRATED YOUR BIASE WITH THE STORY OF SAMSON, WHO KILLED 1000 men with the blessing and strength GOD GAVE HIM? THEN KILLED HIMSELF WHILE KILLING OTHERS, HOW would word that if Prophet Muhammad single handedly did the same thing?

Don't be silly. After sending tens of thousands to their deaths in his name, Mohammed died quietly with a whimper in bed from the effects of a poisoning from a few years before. Some great prophet!

And you are a hypocrite regarding your own definition of martyrdom.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1899.msg8030#msg8030

go on word it in your bias fashion.

THIS FORUM NEEDS A SERIOUS OVERALL, I am also to blame for indulging you.

And I want to thank you for indulging us. Most of the Muslims we have had engaged in taqiyyah pretending Islam to be peaceful. At least you have stood up for the true Muslims that believe Islam is about global conquest and subjugation of the people of the world to Mohammed.

You ignored the questions regarding YOUR thread topic again, so I will give you another 5 days to come up with answers to them.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2057.msg8632#msg8632

There of course is no problem with alternately admitting that you didn't consider the article carefully enough before you posted it and now you believe it's wrong. We understand you didn't write it.

[Peter]

After failing to answer the simple questions with obvious answers regarding HIS SUBJECT, and thereby requesting to be banned again, he sends the following email.
Poor fellow had a bad brush with the Roman Church and so he holds it against Jesus.
Again demonstrating that no words or thoughts are too reprobate, or blasphemous, to facilitate rejecting ALL of the prophets and witnesses of God's 1600 year record, in order to follow whatever a 7th century murdering, rapist thief named Mohammed said and did.
Same old thing. Talking about one God as if he were talking to Hindus.
Doing anything he can to avoid the subject of the blood, of the Lamb of God, that he must necessarily reject to follow the jealous fallen angel Satan, through his false prophet Mohammed.
He wrote the following about the pagan's god named "Allah" and his prophet....


"In the name of ALLAH the most Merciful, the most Benevolent.
Ya ALLAH bestow peace and blessings on the Prophet his household and all the Prophets of ALLAH. convey this from me that I may be blessed.

Peter, you absolutely hysterically funny hahahaha, when faced with truth, you a manipulator and a coward, you have no logical argument for your man made doctrine (BOOK) verses or its logic. every opinion and hypothesis you have has and alternative more plausible one as you translate all the Greek words except BIBLIOS because it translate as BOOK, not holy book, not scripture from GOD, not the words of the Prophets but simply as "book" because you will not be able to blame anyone but yourself for following a compilation by a council of Bishops politically motivated by ROME in the year 325 and translated not from the language of the prophets but a language of the oppressors of the Prophets.

I am very impressed, with your suppression methods, a tactic that worked for the entire Christian world, a tactic still employed to today on the ignorant masses.

Jerusalem is besieged once again, weapons of mass destruction openly flaunted by the enemies of Jesus, ZIONIST JEWS like those in the time of the Romans, The romans are now based in AMERICA (AMERCO VESPUCCI is ITALIANO no from ROMA??) open your eye and then your heart.

If I sound harsh it is because I dont condone lies and falsehood borne out of prejudice and hatred, I dont tolerate it.

Banning me means that you have no answers for my QUESTIONS,
1, CAN A GOD DIE?
2, WHO GIVES LIFE? AND how many died and were ressurected.
3. WHAT IS THE FIRST COMMAND AND HOW DO YOU CONTRADICT IT?
4. Who is documented as the first person to kill himself while killing others?
5. Who falls on his face and prays like a muslim?
6. Are all spirits GOOD?
7. Are some spirits saved?
8. Who is going Smite mankind according to Revelation.
9 Who sits around the Throne?
10. WHEN WAS THE GREEK VERSION OF SCRIPTURE CREATED?

Find the answers for yourself, I have mine.

May ALLAH GUIDE US ON THE STRAIGHT PATH
THE PATH OF THE RIGHTEOUS BEFORE US
NOT OF THOSE THAT HAVE GONE ASTRAY
NOR THOSE THAT HAVE INCURRED YOUR WRATH
AMEEN, YA ALLAH (MOST GRACIOUS MOST MERCIFUL)"


Blah blah, blah blasphemy, blah blah, blah blasphemy.
And that preposterous thread is what he came up with after earlier promising to, and later refusing to, find us any historical or archaeological evidence that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD. The reason for the refusal of course being, that there is no such thing as a history of Mecca prior to the 4th century AD.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1912.msg8562#msg8562