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"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned"
« on: February 11, 2009, 05:56:33 PM »
Link to passage below:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=29&v=1&t=KJV#top

Isa 29:12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

Alleged to be a prophecy about Mohammed, taking it out of context.

(KJV) Isaiah 29:9  Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink. {cry ye...: or, take your pleasure, and riot}    10  For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. {rulers: Heb. heads}    11  And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which [men] deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it [is] sealed: {book: or, letter}    12  And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.    13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near [me] with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

It is a rebuke of Pharisees and rather than a prophecy of Mohammed it is a rebuke of false precepts, taught by false prophets like Mohammed, and any others whose precepts make the Word of God of none effect.

It says not learned - that is about the things of God that the Pharisees had learned - in context. That someone is unfamiliar about the subject - that someone doesn't know about something - is unacquainted with a subject. It has to do with perception or wisdom. It doesn't have anything to do with illiteracy except biblical illiteracy which Mohammed demonstrated in spades with his rehashed Arabian and Hebrew fables and such.

to him that is not learned
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
03045 yada` {yaw-dah'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 848; v
AV - know 645, known 105, knowledge 19, perceive 18, shew 17, tell 8,
wist 7, understand 7, certainly 7, acknowledge 6, acquaintance 6,
consider 6, declare 6, teach 5
, misc 85; 947
1) to know
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to know
1a1a) to know, learn to know
1a1b) to perceive
1a1c) to perceive and see, find out and discern
1a1d) to discriminate, distinguish
1a1e) to know by experience
1a1f) to recognise, admit, acknowledge, confess
1a1g) to consider
1a2) to know, be acquainted with
1a3) to know (a person carnally)
1a4) to know how, be skilful in
1a5) to have knowledge, be wise
1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to be made known, be or become known, be revealed
1b2) to make oneself known
1b3) to be perceived
1b4) to be instructed
1c) (Piel) to cause to know
1d) (Poal) to cause to know
1e) (Pual)
1e1) to be known
1e2) known, one known, acquaintance (participle)
1f) (Hiphil) to make known, declare
1g) (Hophal) to be made known
1h) (Hithpael) to make oneself known, reveal oneself

The passage is generally about the pharisees, paying lip service to God while not seeing, while those that were unlearned in the ways of God, but walking in the Spirit of God, can see. Like Jesus rebuke of the Pharisees, that also applies to no shortage of church doctrine today:

Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Just like Muslims are unlearned in the parable of the nobleman. ("bring hither and slay them before me")
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=223.0

Same reason Jesus spoke in parables:

Mar 4:9 And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. 10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable. 11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and [their] sins should be forgiven them.

The reason for such misunderstanding:

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

Muslims call the bible corrupt and a lie, and then turn right back around and quote it as prophecy, of Mohammed.

That's the result of being surrounded by liars. The term for it is taquiyyah, or lying in the way of Allah.
Always stuck having to decide how much of what one is hearing is a lie, or how one lie might be less bad than another.

For Christians a liar is just that. Cannot be depended on for anything. Somebody whose word is to be discarded out of hand.