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ASK YOUR IMAM
« on: March 30, 2011, 06:56:37 AM »
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ASK YOUR IMAM

One question I have been asking of Muhammad's followers for nearly two years now - that I would appreciate our Muslim viewers ask your Imam or Mufti for us is - who died on the cross? So far I have gotten about as many answers to this question as Muslims that I ask. Of course if a single Christian over the last nearly 2,000 years, denied that Jesus Christ was crucified, they simply wouldn't be a Christian. Nor does any mainstream sect of Judaism deny that Jesus was killed.

So Christians and Jews are in complete resolve regarding the death of Jesus, yet Muslims "who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow", as to just who was crucified. In other words, 600 years after the fact, Muhammad filled his followers with complete resolve as to what to DISbelieve - that is, the whole subject of the Gospel - while leaving a complete vacuum as to just who was crucified. Old Testament prophets, as well as Jesus Christ Himself, prophesied His crucifixion, death and resurrection:

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

Matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

Matthew 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them, 18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again.

To learn more about the Old Testament prophecies of Jesus' crucifixion, that Jesus referenced in the first verse above, please click this link. In the light of prophecy it isn't a stretch to say that the entirety of the record of revelation of God to mankind, from Genesis to Revelation, is about the crucifixion, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, to save all from sin who have faith in the shed blood of the Lamb of God. Yet Muhammad filled his followers with complete resolve to specifically deny the Lord that bought us.

2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

How many other religions are founded in DISbelief? Teach what NOT to believe. Are anti-another-religion, religions? Islam is to the Gospel as the negative is to a photograph. The exact and perfect opposite.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not

Yet even as modern Muslims lodge hollow accusations of "corruption" against the Gospel, long after the Gospel had been being read all over the known world for hundreds of years, Muhammad declared...

Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein.


Next, for well over a year I have been inquiring of Muhammad's followers to direct me to some historical or archaeological record that suggests that Mecca ever existed, before immigrants from Yemen settled the area in about the 4th century AD, as the actual Arabian, and other, historical and archaeological records suggest. While I have had many chats with Muslims, that included at least one Mufti, even he was unable to provide information that could fill this void. In chats with typical YouTube Muslims they almost invariably cite Psalm 84....

Psalms 84:6 [Who] passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools.

....as if somehow it could substitute for thousands of years of absent historical and archaeological record. Curiously, even this would suggest that for some reason Yahweh's people turned their back on the temple Yahweh had them build in Jerusalem, and instead wandered across 1200 kilometers of harsh, barren, untraveled, unexplored desert from Jerusalem to Mecca, most of a millennium before the first caravan is recorded as ever having been able to make that trip along the Red Sea.

This in order to march around the Kaaba seven times as Arabian history tells us the Arabian moon, sun and star worshipers did, and run back and forth between Al-Safa and Al-Marwah as Arabian history tells us the Arabian jinn-demon worshipers did, only to wander back the 1200 kilometers across foreboding uncharted desert, to the home of their presumably irrelevant temple in Jerusalem that was located in the Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs.

YouTube is full of uploaded videos that peddle this Baca is Mecca nonsense, but If these sadly deluded Ahmed Deedat echoes would simply bother to read the very next verse, they would see that the pilgrimage that is referenced in Psalm 84 is to ZION, which was the name of easternmost hill in Jerusalem, and the reason there are 153 references to ZION in scripture.

Psalms 84:6 [Who] passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. 7 They go from strength to strength, [every one of them] in Zion appeareth before God.

The viewer may be able to save one or two of these folks continuing embarrassment, if you copy Psalms 84:7 with "ZION" in all caps, along with the URL following the last slash of this video, and paste it in reply to theirs. Or use the URL of the video dedicated to the subject of Baca is Mecca, in the annotation at the end of this video. The text version of this video in the first link, offers a handy copy and paste, of the verse and link which follows.

Psalms 84:6 [Who] passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. 7 They go from strength to strength, [every one of them] in ZION appeareth before God.
watch?v=eLsniG47IO8

And/or include the partial link to this video that you are reading now watch?v=PFhhU8sQBlg

Don't expect much since as many times as I have pointed out this plain and irrefutable truth, to these Ahmed Deedat parrots, I have yet to see one embarrassed enough to remove or edit their provably, preposterously, false video. How does this not confirm that they are filled with the spirit of the father of lies, when they continue to advance something on their channel, that they have learned is irrefutably a lie? It confirms they have no love of truth. That's also why they continue to reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ to follow Muhammad.

After all, is Yahweh likely to have had His people build His temple on a mount in Jerusalem, in THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs, or 1200 kilometers away from Jerusalem in the SW Arabian desert, on a flood plain that regularly inundated the Kaaba with floodwater, which is always laced with sewage when there are human habitations around?



Next, when I ask Muhammad's followers why they prostrate themselves toward the very same black stone idol that the Quraish pagans venerated, if their "Allah" is supposed to be omnipresent, they will usually set up a straw man argument declaring they don't worship the black stone. I would submit that  the Quraish didn't worship the black stone either. The Quraish pagans venerated their black stone idol as representing their deity "Allah", just as Mohammed's followers today venerate the Quraish's black stone idol as representing Muhammad's "Allah". Indeed if crowd size permits they kiss the black stone just as Muhammad did, who had venerated the Quraish's black stone idol both as a practicing pagan, and later after he adopted it, and adapted it, to his new religion.

venerate
1: to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference
2: to honor (as an icon or a relic) with a ritual act of devotion



video "Black stone Veneration at the Kaaba"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGyWs__Y-rU
This video was made to paste into conversations when they set up the strawman argument that they don't worship the black stone.

The name of the God of the bible is not "Allah", but is found in the tetragramaton YHWH, generally pronounced "Yahweh", and it means "I AM". It occurs in scripture nearly 7,000 times, and in paleo-Hebrew inscriptions discovered, that date as early as the 10th century BC.

So I am requesting that our Muslim friends get back with us, after inquiring of their Imam or Mufti to:

1. direct them to some historical or archaeological record that suggests that Mecca ever existed, before immigrants from Yemen settled the area in around the 4th century AD, and built their Kaaba in the early 5th century, as the actual Arabian, and other, historical and archaeological records would seem to suggest.

2. ask them who died on the cross.

3. ask which of the Arabian Star Family deities, that the Quraish pagans worshiped, did their black stone idol represent?

4. why did Muhammad switch the Qibla, or direction in which he had his followers pray, from Jerusalem in the Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs, instead, later on, to the Quraish's kaaba and their black stone idol in Mecca, located 1200 kilometers away from Jerusalem?

5. since some of Muhammad's followers actually try to suggest that Muhammad's religion has something to do with the old covenant "law", then why did Muhammad switch his holy day from the Sabbath, to Friday, after the Hijra?


Many of us are well aware that Muhammad's followers are terrified to ask such questions of their Imam or Mufti as they would wind up on a list of aspiring "renegades", "infidels" and "apostates".

Surah 5:101 O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if ye ask about things when the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you, Allah will forgive those: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing.

The reason is made clear in the very next verse:

102 Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.

They risk of loosing their faith in Muhammad. Illustrating Muhammad's follower's 1400 year fear of truth. The same reason that Mohammed had poets killed, and prevented Muslims from befriending non-Muslims. The same reason Bibles are illegal in 53 countries today.

"Allah has hated for you three things: ... 3. And asking too many questions (in disputed religious matters)." (Dr. Khan, Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol. 2, #555)

In stark contrast Christians are instructed to:

1Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

If you are reluctant to ask your Imam particularly the first question, that is a simple matter of history and archaeology, why is that?
If you are afraid to ask your Imam any of these questions, then why indeed? Are you in fear of what your Imam will say or do, when you should be in fear of the eternal consequences of following the 7th century false prophet Muhammad and his stand-alone 7th century record? You could die this very day.

Proverbs 14:27 The fear of the LORD [is] a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.

Proverbs 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.

Yahweh's people have followed Him for 3500 years, through two covenants, according to all of the prophets and witnesses as revealed in His 1600 year record. Muhammad's followers have followed Muhammad and his record for 1400 years.

How can a stand-alone 7th century religion advanced by a single self-proclaimed "prophet" be true, when it is directly contradicted by the historical, archaeological, immovable-physical 1200 kilometer geographical matter of fact, and particularly by the very scriptural record with which Muhammad's religion pretends to associate? Especially when Muhammad taught the exact opposite, of the whole subject, of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Archaeology ever-increasingly confirms the Scriptures as being a reliable record of ancient history. Thus we can well understand why Muhammad's followers are not only afraid to inquire of their Imams, but even afraid to independently investigate, the history of Mecca and the origins of Muhammad's religion as bequeathed to us by the actual historical and archaeological records.

Other Arabian towns are very well attested in the historical and archaeological records and even attest to each other. Even small towns that came and went within a couple of centuries before the Christian era.

Mecca was eventually built on one of the most important and well documented trade routes in Arabia, yet this supposed epicenter of Muhammad's religion - allegedly since Adam - is absent from the historical and archaeological records prior to the Christian era.

This conspicuously confirms, that what Muhammad's followers can only label "tradition", is nothing more than created historical fiction, of the 7th and 8th centuries AD.

If this video angered you, then why don't you simply present some historical or archaeological evidence, that suggests that Mecca existed before the 4th century AD, in the forum at the first link?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.