The Scriptures Were Corrupted

[Peter]

Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEJ1hk4lH3U

THE SCRIPTURES WERE CORRUPTED

What inspires folks, to desire to believe the scriptures were so "corrupted", that they wish it provided an excuse to reject the Gospel?

The whole subject of the Gospel is the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah, who saves repentant "born again" believers who have faith in His shed blood from carrying our sins to the grave, and thus suffering the "second death" that separates us from God forever.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The Messiah's Hebrew name from long before He was manifest on earth is "Yahshua", which means "Yahweh saves", "rescues" or "delivers". After the Messiah was made manifest we were able to understand that rescue or delivery is from sin.

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

There has obviously not been a single Christian, over more than 1,900 years that has denied the whole subject of the Gospel.

Yet long after the Gospel had been translated into every popular language, and had been being read all over the known world for centuries, a false prophet arose in the remote southwest Arabian desert - about 1200 kilometers away from the Holy Land - who proclaimed the  EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Thus seven centuries after the crucifixion of the Messiah Muhammad filled his followers with complete resolve as to what to DISbelieve. A religion with a fundamental of what to DENY. Muhammad's followers must reject the very blood that would save them as an article of their faith in Muhammad - as adherents of the only anti-another-religion, religion. Islam is to Christianity as the negative is to a photograph. Yet when we ask Muhammad's followers who did die on the cross we find "...those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow...

Ironically in that same 7th century, when Muhammad proclaimed the exact opposite of the Gospel of Jesus Christ within the muddled, heavily abrogated, 23 year record of his recitations, contradicted himself by recommending that Christians judge by what is revealed in the Gospel!

Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

There has only ever been one Gospel, whether in the  first century, the 7th century or today, and the subject of the Gospel has remained unchanged.

In order to deny the main subject of the Gospel as bequeathed to us through all of the witnesses of Jesus Christ - that were willing to be tortured and die martyrs deaths for proclaiming Christ crucified and the resurrection - Muhammad's followers are stuck having to make the preposterous claim that the 1st century Gospel had somehow been changed or "corrupted" to such an extent, that it's WHOLE SUBJECT had become the EXACT OPPOSITE, of Muhammad's 7th century denial.

In other words the Gospel would have had to have been rewritten in it's entirety, yet uniformly so throughout the whole known world, with all of the prior copies having vanished into thin air! But since we have over 5300 partial or complete manuscripts of the Gospel that were penned prior to 300 AD, to change it's whole subject would have required collaboration between scribes from Syria, Babylonia, Galatia, Asia, India, Rome, Egypt, Greece, Carthage, Tarshish and Macedonia, to name just a few!

So in light of the exact opposite nature of Muhammad's record to the Gospel, it should come as no surprise that the behavior of Muhammad and his follower's, was the exact opposite of the sinless Messiah and His Apostles.

From the Bukhari Hadith that Muslims respect more than any other we learn that, after Muhammad marched into the peaceful, productive, non-combatant Jewish farming village of the Banu Quraysa, ...

Bukhari:V5B59N448 They then surrendered to the Prophet's judgment but he directed them to Sa'd to give the verdict. Sad said, "I give my judgment that their men should be killed, their women and children should be taken as captives, and their properties distributed."

Thus all of the Jewish farm boys who had reached the age of puberty, along with their brothers, dads and grandpas were brought before Muhammad and beheaded - about eight hundred in all. But things went even worse for their sisters, mothers, wives and daughters.

Bukhari:V5B59N459 I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus."

As you attempt to visualize that scene, please bear in mind that Muhammad himself, had sex with a nine year old child. Yet in spite of how Muhammad's own behavior is exhaustively revealed through Islam's own books, YouTube continues to be full of Islamic buffoonery and lies regarding the Gospel, as if blaspheming the very book that Islam pretends to associate with, somehow defends Muhammad.

Lies regarding the Gospel like those of the famous Greek sophist styled Ahmed Deedat, and his self-described disciple Naik, eagerly parroted by their bible-ignorant adoring minions, like so many Chatty Kathy dolls that have the capability of pulling their own strings. Their followers seemingly believing that simply because somebody is willing to say something means that it will somehow magically become truth.

1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Yet even their own self-proclaimed prophet Muhammad, knew in his day, that he had made such a mess of his recitations that he had to institute a doctrine of abrogation.

Quran 2:106 None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?

If Muhammad had been literate he might have known that abrogation IS substitution. A whopping 71 out of only 114 suras are subject to abrogation. But it gets worse.

The Yemeni government hired Gerd Puin, one of the world's leading authorities on Qur'anic historical orthography, or the study and scholarly interpretation of ancient manuscripts, to study the oldest manuscript of the Quran. Puin is also a specialist in Arabic paleography. Quoting the Wikipedia article...

"Some of the papyrus on which the text appears shows clear signs of earlier use, being that previous, washed-off writings are also visible on it. In 2008 and 2009 Dr Elisabeth Puin published detailed results of the analysis of Sanaa manuscript DAM (dar al-makhtutat) 01.27-1 proving that the text was still in flux in the time span between the scriptio inferior and the scriptio superior of the palimpsest..."

Gerd Puin further concluded: "The Qur’an claims for itself that it is ‘mubeen,’ or clear, but if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn’t make sense. Many Muslims will tell you otherwise, of course, but the fact is that a fifth of the Qur’anic text is just incomprehensible. This is what has caused the traditional anxiety regarding translation. If the Qur’an is not comprehensible, if it can’t even be understood in Arabic, then it’s not translatable into any language. That is why Muslims are afraid. Since the Qur’an claims repeatedly to be clear but is not—there is an obvious and serious contradiction. Something else must be going on."



Compare those washed off and written over manuscripts with Hebrew scribal methodology. Quoting Ellis Skolfield...

"To suggest there was tampering to the Old Testament documents prior to 300 B.C. shows a misunderstanding of Israelite scribal methodology and of their reverence for the Scriptures. First of all, biblical scrolls were written on the inside only to prevent any smudging or smearing that might lead to a misreading of the text. When being copied -- besides many parallel readings -- the copy was compared with the original in every way humanly possible.

The words in each column were counted and then the letters. The first, last, and middle letter and word in each column had to be identical to the original. If the number of words or the number of letters of the copy differed from the original, the copy was destroyed. Then they counted the words and letters in the whole document. They divided the document into quarters and into eighths. The first, last and middle letter in each section had to be the same. The number of words and the number of letters in each section had to be the same.  The middle word and the middle letter in each section had to be the same, and they had to be the same for the whole document. If not, the copy was destroyed. Not corrected, but destroyed!"

While we Christians should love our lost Muslim friends enough to help them overcome Muhammad, any so-called "church" that is so concerned about causing offense, that it obscures the whole subject of the Gospel in futile efforts to find common ground with Muhammad's stand-alone 7th century invention that proclaims the EXACT OPPOSITE, is only encouraging those poor folks to remain on their self-destructive path.

1Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

Even as the ecumenical movement continues to grow perhaps right on schedule.

2Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

a falling away
New Testament Greek Definition:
646 apostasia {ap-os-tas-ee'-ah}
feminine of the same as 647; TDNT - 1:513,88; n f
AV - to forsake + 575 1, falling away 1; 2
1) a falling away, defection, apostasy

2Thessalonians 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

ONE MUST CHOOSE, between the 1600 year record of God to mankind as revealed through all of His prophets and witnesses, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years, or the EXACT OPPOSITE through the stand-alone 23 year record of A SINGLE 7th century southwest Arabian desert dwelling illiterate, and his recycled Sabian and Quraish Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals. Rituals that take place in the city of Mecca, which no historical or archaeological record suggests, ever existed before immigrants from Yemen settled the area in about the 4th century AD.

There can be no question that one of these directly opposing records comes straight out of the pit of hell.

THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND.

If Muhammad was a true prophet of the God of the bible, then all the other prophets were false.

So what inspires folks to desire to believe the scriptures were so corrupted that they wish it was an excuse to run and hide from the Gospel?
It is "that spirit of antichrist" working in their hearts and minds.

1 John 2:22 ... He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father...

For discussion and a text version, please join us in the forum.

I recently made a fledgling attempt, at presenting some Gospel subjects in Arabic, with the help of an online Arabic language bible, and the Google translator. I would really appreciate some feedback by Arabic speaking folks on just how bad of a job I did of expressing the few words of my own. Blessedly, 99% of that section is copy and pasted scripture! The second link on the drop-down menu will take you there.

Please click on the annotation on the screen for the movie "The Gospel of John" that is spoken slowly, and is also subtitled, so it may even help some folks along with their English.

1John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

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[Peter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P3cw5Lw_w0

[Peter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEJ1hk4lH3U

    One of the best videos I've seen on the falseness of Islam !!!! Thankyou brother!!! God Bless !!!!!!!
    drewbloom34 2 weeks ago

    I'm going to put this on my favorites
    BartofGod 2 weeks ago

    Wonderful!
    XiaoFury 2 weeks ago
    You hit the nail on the head. Islam is the exact opposite of Christianity, Anti-Christianity and therefore the Allah of the Quran can only be the Satan of the Bible.
    egwpisteuw 1 week ago

(followed by the following exchange with a poor sadly deluded Saudi fellow)

    First you present a seemingly intelligent question, then you cut directly to a verse that has more controversy surrounding it than Michael Jackson's private life. John 3:16 NIV says, "His one and only son," noticing the word "begotten" was an utter fabrication. Also check the RSV. Also, the author of John according to Christian tradition is the Apostle John. The same Apostle described in Acts 4:13 as being illiterate. He couldn't read or write his own mother tongue yet wrote in Koine Greek?
    tadpoleposition 3 days ago

    @tadpoleposition Do you make a habit of doing book reports on books you never read? First it was prophesied in the Old Testament:
    Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee
    Declared as fulfilled
    Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
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    PeteWaldo 3 days ago

    @PeteWaldo "Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee."
    The author of Acts did exactly what the author of Matthew did in Matthew 1:23, 2:15, & 2:23. He misapplied an alleged Messianic prophecy and completely destroyed the proper context along the way. It's clever, but a misapplication nonetheless. I can't believe you can't see that.
    tadpoleposition 3 days ago

    @tadpoleposition Secondly, the Koine Greek term "gennao {ghen-nah'-o}" is translated as "begat" or "begotten" on 49 occasions in the KJV. To suggest a translation error would require that every instance was translated wrong. Here's a video regarding your false claim.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqaTORB5WdU
    The reason you wish the bible was false, is because your heart is filled by the spirit of antichrist you received through the murdering, female prisoner abusing, thief, Muhammad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9FYYo5EINU
    PeteWaldo 3 days ago

    @PeteWaldo "Secondly, the Koine Greek term..."
    Koine Greek? Jesus and his disciples were all Jewish. Any information that would've been passed down to us should have Aramaic/Hebrew roots. The fact that virtually all New Testament manuscripts are written in Koine Greek is proof of Roman influenced authorship. The anonymous authors didn't reference who they got their information from. On second thought, it'd be nice to first know who these anonymous authors are.
    tadpoleposition 3 days ago

    @tadpoleposition "Koine Greek? Jesus and his disciples were all Jewish." Koine Greek was the lingua franca of the first century Holy Land and had been for centuries. That's why it is also the language that the Gospel was penned in. To suggest that Jesus addressed the masses in Hebrew would be like a businessman in the U.S. addressing a business conference in Yiddish. Other atheists fought against Yahweh as you, but the more they fought, the more they found truth. Try it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rESOsk6j3Fc
    PeteWaldo 3 days ago

    @PeteWaldo "Koine Greek was the lingua franca of the first century Holy Land and had been for centuries."
    That's called circumstantial evidence at best.
    tadpoleposition 2 days ago

    @tadpoleposition Now why don't you address the content of the video, rather than use it as an excuse to parrot Ahmed Deedat's buffoonery?
    Since Muhammad declared the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, who do you suppose inspired Muhammad?
    Particularly since no historical or archaeological record suggests that Mecca existed before the 4th century AD so lies that masquerade as thousands of years of pre-muhammad history are provably PURE FICTION.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq8VOZbuu-Q
    PeteWaldo 3 days ago

    @PeteWaldo "Particularly since no historical or archaeological record..."
    Apparently Diodorus Siculus's 1st Century B.C. account was overlooked. Also, that comment reflects the vast amount of missing information or unclear explanations of information in the Bible. It's an argument against you, not for you.
    tadpoleposition 3 days ago

    @tadpoleposition "Diodorus Siculus's 1st Century B.C. account was overlooked."
    Was this intended to substitute for thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history and archaeology for Muhammad's STAND-ALONE 7th century "tradition" that was all CREATED in the 7th and 8th centuries WITHOUT REFERENCE to any actual prior historical record?
    Let alone that AS YOU POINTED OUT you only went back to the 1ST CENTURY.
    Diodorus and much more, covered here
    brotherpete. com/origins_of_islam. htm
    PeteWaldo 3 days ago

    @PeteWaldo "...WITHOUT REFERENCE to any actual prior historical record?"
    Would you rather he, peace be upon him, did what the author of Acts and Matthew did and reference historical sources all the while shredding the context and misapplying verses or just flat out making up stuff? I mean, you should be OK with it since that's what your sources did. What's the problem? Note: I'm i no way agreeing with you.
    tadpoleposition 3 days ago

    @tadpoleposition The Gospel writers were contemporary to the 1st century. They were willing to be tortured and die martyrs deaths for preaching the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah. Just as almost 500 Christians are martyred every day, around the world today - 175,000 per year - for believing and not denying the same. Mainly slaughtered at the hand of true, fundamental Muslims, that GET Islam.
    Yet you buy thousands of years of fake history CREATED in the 7th and 8th centuries.
    PeteWaldo 2 days ago

   I see you avoided the John and Peter illiteracy claim. It's one of the most ridiculous oversights in the Bible. Also, you keep mentioning Jesus' Gospel, but I don't understand how you can attribute the New Testament to Jesus and claim it to be "his" Gospel. It's more Paul's than Jesus'. Romans 16:25, "Now to him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,"
    tadpoleposition 3 days ago

    @tadpoleposition "I see you avoided the John and Peter illiteracy claim. It's one of the most ridiculous oversights in the Bible." Perhaps because your claim is false. Don't you know how to use a search engine? However Peter and John were not learned in the law as the Pharisees.
    The Gospel and coexistence of YHWH and Yeshua was kept secret from the foundation of the world until the Messiah and His purpose was made manifest to us. But not the first time YHWH revealed in flesh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cjXj6TMOAM
    PeteWaldo 3 days ago

    @PeteWaldo Come on, that's a desperation 3-pointer with 2 seconds left from full court with your eyes closed. I know you can do better than that.
    tadpoleposition 3 days ago

    @tadpoleposition This exercise is pointless, since you can't even understand, why you can't understand.
    1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
    Yet if you want to come to understand, all you have to do is ask Jesus

    Mat 7:8 For EVERY ONE that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
    It's between you and He.
    PeteWaldo 3 days ago

    @PeteWaldo "This exercise is pointless..."
    For the first time you're right. You'll continue to quote Matthew with conviction as if we know who wrote it and where he got his information from.That mess you refer to as God's Word is not at all that. It's out of God's mercy and justice He sent us another revelation. I thank Allah for His immense blessings and His guiding my heart to the truth.
    tadpoleposition 3 days ago

    @tadpoleposition I follow the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind through ALL of His prophets and witnesses, that His people have followed through two covenants, for 3500 years.
    You follow the EXACT OPPOSITE through the 23 year record of A SINGLE 7th century murdering, child doing, prisoner raping, terrorist, thief. Yet your heart is so blackened by the spirit of antichrist, you can't even see that only Satan could compel men to engage in such purely reprobate behavior.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9FYYo5EINU
    PeteWaldo 3 days ago

    @tadpoleposition But then, as you should know better than anybody, Satan is in such control of your country - Saudi Arabia - that if you did come to know the love of the one true God through the Messiah like this Saudi did...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL4upLajJSc (citing Muhammad's chicken and wine serving bordello he called "paradise")
    ...you know you would be killed, just as the Mafia kills those who want to leave organized crime. Yet you are blinded to the evil by that spirit of antichrist.
    watch?v=aEfKpgiYgHY
    brotherjw 3 days ago

    @brotherjw "that if you did come to know the love of the one true God through the Messiah like this Saudi did..."
    Ah yes, first the play on human psychology then the attempt to win human appeal. Umm, the Law of Apostasy can be found in your Book. Also, would you stop referring me to videos of Coptic Egyptian Christians who stage telephone calls of anonymous people named "Muhammad". Great, more anonymity. I guess you're used to it.
    tadpoleposition 2 days ago

    @tadpoleposition "...the Law of Apostasy can be found in your Book...".
    And blessedly as the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind progressed, culminating in the love of the one true God Yahweh through His Son Yeshua, we understand how to apply that law from so long before.
    John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
    Now compare that with your animalistic brethren
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W5v1DeJHhs
    PeteWaldo 2 days ago

    @PeteWaldo Matthew 19:17, "...But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments." Last I checked the commandments consisted of Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die." Why does the "STAND-ALONE" claim continually come back to haunt you? Also, Papyrus 66 does away with your John 8:7 "feel good" brand of Christianity. Peace!
    tadpoleposition 3 hours ago

    @tadpoleposition "...bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one..." Shoot yourself in the foot? Since you prostrate yourself to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol 5 times a day, it's lucky we aren't living a few thousand years ago. And we don't need John 8:7 to understand the Gospel.
    Mark 12:31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
    PeteWaldo 1 hour ago

    @tadpoleposition The reason you love to murder others by stoning is because you have no love in your heart. It was displaced by the spirit of antichrist that also fills you with hatred. Born again believers filled with the Spirit of God don't need John 8:7 for us to see, that it would be the height of folly to believe ourselves to be so sinless, as to be in a position to judge and stone somebody else, for sinning.
    Your brethren that fancy themselves so.
    brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=2589.0
    PeteWaldo 1 hour ago

    @tadpoleposition I answer youbut you fail to answer me. I'll transpose our chat into the forum to make it easy to see. Now your turn.
    Please list the reasons that you prostrate yourself to the Quraish's black stone idol in Mecca, 5 times a day.
    When I asked you for historical and archaeological evidence that suggests that Mecca existed before the 4th century AD, you only cited a single 1st century account, parroted by a 17th century author.
    That all you got for the EPICENTER of Muhammadanism?
    PeteWaldo 1 hour ago

    @tadpoleposition Do you see what you did? Quoted Deuteronomy as a reason that Saudis are supposed to kill Christians, even as you reject ALL of the prophets and witnesses of Yahweh as revealed in His 1600 year record - that Christians embrace - because you follow a 7th century murdering, prisoner raping, thief false prophet and prostrate to the Quraish pagans black stone idol.
    Any surprise it results in murder of innocents when you reject Yahweh, to follow Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" aka Satan?
    PeteWaldo 23 minutes ago

    @tadpoleposition @PeteWaldo Murder of innocents whose doctrine is summed
    Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    What drives Muhammad's people want to murder others whose doctrine is to love everyone? An absence of a love of truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCTfWrDwmqk
    PeteWaldo 16 seconds ago

@PeteWaldo "Please list the reasons that you prostrate yourself to the Quraish's black stone idol in Mecca, 5 times a day."
This will be my last reply, God willing. You've chosen to place the fate of your soul in the hands of anonymous sources and unverifiable information. This last claim you made is proof you refuse to use your God-given intellect. A perceived strong argument is easily debunked by a miniscule use of the brain. The Quraish would slap you for saying something so stupid.
tadpoleposition 34 minutes ago

@tadpoleposition Since you couldn't answer let me help. Reason you prostrate yourself to the Quraish's black stone idol is because a 7th century murdering, prisoner raping thief said it was OK. The reason you do it five times a day is because of the 2nd century occult cult of the Sabians.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR3Bla8YwbU
The reason you run back and forth between Safa & Marwah as the Arabian jinn devil worshipers did is because a 7th century murdering, prisoner raping thief said it was OK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfWy5KaFvbU
PeteWaldo 33 seconds ago

@PeteWaldo "Please list the reasons that you prostrate yourself to the Quraish's black stone idol in Mecca, 5 times a day."
This will be my last reply, God willing. You've chosen to place the fate of your soul in the hands of anonymous sources and unverifiable information. This last claim you made is proof you refuse to use your God-given intellect. A perceived strong argument is easily debunked by a miniscule use of the brain. The Quraish would slap you for saying something so stupid.
tadpoleposition 3 hours ago

@tadpoleposition Summary: You prostrate yourself to the Quraish pagan's idol, while rejecting and blaspheming the 1600 year record of Yahweh that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years, because it makes Muhammad a liar.
You follow Muhammad because you believe the UNHISTORICAL PURE FICTION, even including flying donkey-mules, CREATED by a bunch of semi-literate 7th and 8th century SW Arabian desert dwellers, that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-muhammad history.
PeteWaldo 23 seconds ago

[Peter]

    @tadpoleposition PS I accidentally replied with my other channel brotherjw ID that deals more with consequences, so they are me.
    So why do you suppose that Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" calls for murder of Saudi's who leave his STAND-ALONE religion, by their own brethren?
    Why do you suppose sharing the Gospel is banned in your Saudi Arabia?
    Why is it your own prophet is revealed as a murdering, prisoner raping, thief, yet you still follow him? It's because Satan filled your hearts with the spirit of anitichrist.
    PeteWaldo 2 days ago

    @PeteWaldo "Why is it your own prophet is revealed as a murdering, prisoner raping, thief, yet you still follow him? It's because Satan filled your hearts with the spirit of anitichrist."
    Now you sound like a denying Jew. Pretty good company!
    tadpoleposition 3 hours ago

    @tadpoleposition It isn't about my opinion. I'm only the messenger.
    1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER
    John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.
    You're deceived by liars like Deedat who even used a phony bible verse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDslsWDzPIc
    PeteWaldo 1 hour ago

    @tadpoleposition Regarding my characterization of Muhammad.
    Bukhari:V5B59N448 ...'I give my judgment that their men should be killed, their women and children should be taken as captives, and their properties distributed.'"
    Bukhari:V5B59N459 "I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, 'We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.'"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9FYYo5EINU
    PeteWaldo 1 hour ago

[Peter]

   @tadpoleposition Do you make a habit of doing book reports on books you never read? First it was prophesied in the Old Testament:
    Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee
    Declared as fulfilled
    Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
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    PeteWaldo 3 days ago

    @PeteWaldo "Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee."
    The author of Acts did exactly what the author of Matthew did in Matthew 1:23, 2:15, & 2:23. He misapplied an alleged Messianic prophecy and completely destroyed the proper context along the way. It's clever, but a misapplication nonetheless. I can't believe you can't see that.
    tadpoleposition 3 days ago

The poor fellow alleges a "misapplication" even though, in regard to the New Testament declaration of it's fulfillment, there is a specific reference "as it is also written in the second psalm".

[Mike S]

   @tadpoleposition Do you make a habit of doing book reports on books you never read? First it was prophesied in the Old Testament:
    Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee
    Declared as fulfilled
    Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
    brotherpete. com/index. php?board=40.0
    PeteWaldo 3 days ago

    @PeteWaldo "Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee."
    The author of Acts did exactly what the author of Matthew did in Matthew 1:23, 2:15, & 2:23. He misapplied an alleged Messianic prophecy and completely destroyed the proper context along the way. It's clever, but a misapplication nonetheless. I can't believe you can't see that.
    tadpoleposition 3 days ago

The poor fellow alleges a "misapplication" even though in regard to the New Testament declaration of it's fulfillment there is a specific reference "as it is also written in the second psalm".

What's funny about this is that even though He uses the RSV, which leaves out the word "begotten" in John 3:16, the word is present in Psalm 2:7 of the same version:

Psalm 2:7 (Revised Standard Version)

7 "I will tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to me, "You are my son, today I have begotten you."

The best way to avoid looking foolish is to ignore the facts, and that doesn't work most of the time

[Peter]

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=201834&page=79