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Old Testament Violence
« on: January 03, 2012, 01:38:08 PM »
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YHWH / Yahweh waited patiently for over four hundred years for the Canaanites to repent of their iniquity, which included sorcery, spiritism, divination, idolatry, incest, adultery, homosexuality, bestiality, ritualistic prostitution, and even sacrifice of children to idols. The Canaanites were wicked in Abraham's day, and even though they had the witness of Abraham and his altars and were aware of the power of his God, they continued to worship their created gods. Eventually Yahweh's mercy turned to judgment. As Yahweh sent Moses and His people to the Promised Land that He gave them through an everlasting covenant He instructed:

Deuteronomy 20:10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. 11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, [that] all the people [that is] found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. 12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: 13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: 14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, [even] all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. 15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities [which are] very far off from thee, which [are] not of the cities of these nations. 16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee [for] an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: 17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; [namely], the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee: 18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.

From our 21st century perspective this historical event of a few thousand years ago, regarding Yahweh's judgment on a whole people, may seem appalling. Yet the very reason our sensibilities are challenged by these passages, is testament to the effectiveness of these early lessons regarding divine judgment, that have been consciously and subconsciously transmitted to us down through generations, over the ages. Developing and instilling in mankind what some only recognize simply as a conscience, and what others of us recognize as the Spirit of God striving with mankind, enabling us to discern the difference between right and wrong as if it were instinctive.

While we were given the scriptures to help us understand what God expects of us we can't really know His judgments regarding persons.

Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

However those of us in relationship with our Creator can get a pretty good idea in regard to judgment through the scriptures, that seem to suggest that the Lord is not as interested in what doctrine we follow, as He is the condition of one's heart. So it stands to reason that innocent people that have died or have been killed, regardless of their age, are with the Lord.

Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.

That could perhaps be extended to suggest that innocence consists of everything short of understanding, from being too young to understand, to being mentally challenged, or the ignorance of a remote tribe for example, that simply hasn't had the truth presented to it. Understanding begets accountability.

It's reasonable to believe that any innocent Canaanites are with the Lord, and any babies and children killed were actually saved, from repeating the abominations and iniquity of their parents and thereby being separated from God forever.

The ritualistic prostitution and sacrifice of children to idols by the Canaanites was to be ended, in order to preclude future generations of Yahweh's people from being poisoned by the abominable behavior of the Canaanites, as Yahweh's people displaced them in the Promised Land, that He had given His people through that everlasting covenant.

Please see "The Old Covenant" and "Gaza & Israel" videos for more on that subject.

Yet in spite of these early lessons in judgment, atheists and other unregenerate people of the flesh - as opposed to those of the Spirit - seize on them as an opportunity to accuse and mock God's judgment in blasphemy against the scriptures, while also insisting that the following passage was a call to rape:

Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Based on that verse out of context, it's no surprise that a call to rape would be the natural presumption of atheists and Ishmael's "children of the flesh". However from what we know about the ritualistic prostitution and sexual abominations of these tribes, and the faithfulness and morality of Moses and his people who were given the law, a fair presumption could be that this was God's way of halting the spread of diseases related to sexual immorality, particularly in light of the next verse:

Numbers 31:19 And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify [both] yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day.

As if to suggest, if ya got any on ya, wash it off!

Muhammad's followers accusations against the judgment of the one true God are also the epitome of hypocrisy, since every Muslim is required to believe in the "last day" as imagined by Muhammad, after which all those of us who reject that he was a "messenger" of the God of the bible, will be subjected to torture by the hand of his "Allah", in Muhammad's hell.

Blessedly Yahweh's 1600 year progressive revelation to mankind didn't end with the harsh lessons of a few thousand years ago, any more than the development of mankind was arrested at that time. As Don Richardson reports in "Secrets of the Koran", "By Muhammad's day, 1,500 years had passed since any Hebrew prophet was described in the Old Testament as using a sword in the service of God. Neither Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Micah, Amos, Malachi nor any other later Hebrew prophet is described as using the sword or prescribing its use."

The unique historical events described early in Scripture are not intended as open-ended calls to imperialistic conquest at an individual's personal discretion, but rather detail the movement of Yahweh's people to the small specific piece of land He gave them, a portion of which they again rule today, having been restored to their land after suffering thousands of years of persecution while being scattered among the nations.

As Matthew Henry characterized of one of the conquests ".....the measure of the Amorites’ iniquity was full and the longer it was in the filling the sorer was the reckoning at last. ..... They died ..... as sacrifices to divine justice..... The case being therefore extraordinary, it ought not to be drawn into a precedent for military executions, which make no distinction and give no quarter: those will have judgment without mercy that show no mercy.

Yet 1,500 years after the old covenant prophets had ended suggestion of the use of the sword in God's service, a man arose in the southwest Arabian desert and began an imperialistic conquest in efforts to subjugate all peoples of the world to himself and his followers. What do the books of the critics of Yahweh's judgment who follow this man today, reveal regarding his slaughter of men, women and children?

Sahih Muslim Book 19, #4321 It is reported on the authority of Sa'b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: They are from them.

It would seem that rather than recognizing the children that he killed as innocent this "prophet" instead assigned the spiritual condition of their parents to them. But it gets worse than that.

Sahih Muslim Book 33, #6436 'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said: Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.

So this "messenger's" god may have predestined that dead child, before it was ever even conceived, for his personal torturing pleasure and the child's own "entertainment" in the hell of Muhammad's overactive imagination.

In stark contrast Christians understand of our one great God:

2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

The Canaanites didn't sacrifice children to idols because they wanted to be mean to children. They were disobedient to the one true God Yahweh and His Spirit, and sacrificed those children to idols, because they believed that by so doing they would find favor with the pagan gods they had indoctrinated each other into the practice of worshiping.

The followers of a 7th century false prophet have indoctrinated each other into believing they will find favor with his god, by prostrating themselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca and invoking the name of the pagan Arabian deity "Allah" in vain repetitions five times a day.

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

What jealous fallen angel might appreciate having the pagan Arabian deity's name "Allah" invoked in a mind-numbing, mind-emptying, repetitive fashion as folks prostrate themselves toward an idol in Mecca five times a day? How different are vain repetitions from mind-emptying mantras that invite Satan and his angels to enter the vacuum that results?

Please see the "YHWH / Yahweh NOT 'Allah'" video.

There is at least one Arabic language bible version that doesn't blaspheme Yahweh's name at ArabBible.com. It's the same Van Dyck version but with the pagan Arabian god's name "Allah" changed to “al-ilaah”, a term for "the God".

It may not be a stretch to suggest, that by indoctrinating their children into Muhammad's blasphemy in which his followers are compelled to profess the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel, Muhammad's followers are effectively sacrificing their children to the Quraish pagan's stone idol.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

But rather than loosing their temporal lives in this world as the children that were sacrificed to idols by the Canaanites - who may be with the Lord today - Muhammad's followers sacrifice of their children could be forever, once they reach the point of understanding and accountability yet remain unrepentant.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

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Re: Old Testament Violence
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2012, 01:38:23 PM »
From a 21st century western perspective it's pretty hard for us to imagine the Canaanite's ritualistic prostitution and sacrifice of children to idols of a few thousand years ago. Yet in as late as the 6th century AD, in a land that time and civilization had left behind, Muhammad's grandfather, ".....Abdel Mutaleb was one of the worshippers of the statues of the two Jinn priests. He was so consumed by occult worship that he wanted to sacrifice one of his own sons at the feet of the two statues [of Asaf and Naelah] (that were placed on Al-Safa and Al-Marwah) at Zamzam. That son was Abdullah, the father of Mohammed. When Abdel Mutaleb was at the point of killing Abdullah with his knife, Abdel Mutaleb's brother rescued the boy." Quoted from "The Small Hajj Called Umrah" by Dr. Rafat Amari (The source of the subject mentioned is from Ibn Hisham, I, page 126; Halabieh, I, page 58).

Please see the "Hajj & Umrah (part 2) Al-Safa & Al-Marwah" video on the IslamExplored YouTube channel or BrotherPete.com, for more on these two hills and the origins of Islamic rituals.

Tragically, the only reason Muhammad's followers engage in Mecca centered, thinly veneered, Quraish and Sabian pagan rituals is because Muhammad instructed his followers to do so.

Please see the "The Sabians, Muhammad & Islam" and "Is Islam a Religion?" videos on the IslamExplored YouTube channel, and the BrotherPete.com web page "Origins of Islam".

Rather than learn the lessons taught near the beginning of Yahweh's revelation to mankind on idolatry, Muhammad's followers in the YouTube community and elsewhere seize on them as if they were delivered to provide an opportunity for them to blaspheme that record of Yahweh's judgment, thereby begging for His wrath as the Canaanites did.

1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

No Muslim can deny that the black stone they prostrate themselves toward is the very same black stone idol that was also venerated by the Arabian pagans. Muhammad's own father's name was "Abdullah" which meant he was a slave of the pagan Arabian's deity "Allah". Indeed the pagan Arabians continued to circumambulate their Kaaba, along with Muhammad's followers, right up until the year before Muhammad's last Hajj.

Bukhari V2, B26, #689: Narrated Abu Huraira: In the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Allahs Apostle made Abu Bakr the leader of the pilgrims, the latter (Abu Bakr) sent me in the company of a group of people to make a public announcement: 'No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year, and no naked person is allowed to perform Tawaf of the Kaba.'

Can you imagine naked pagans and Muslims circumambulating the Kaaba in worship of their "Allah"?! As in the case of the Canaanites we repeatedly learn throughout scripture that it is Satan that inspires people to engage in such practices as veneration of an idol. Yet Muhammad's followers even prostrate themselves toward the Quraish's stone idol, in spite of the fact that while ancient Arabian towns are well attested in the historical and archaeological records, there is no such evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD when immigrants from Yemen settled the area, brought their idols, and built their Kaaba in the early 5th century for Arabian Star Family and jinn-devil worship. Indeed eventually, from a whopping total of 360 idols, Muhammad whittled it down to veneration of just two stones, and then one.

Bukhari B26, #676 Narrated Nafi': Ibn 'Umar. said, "I have never missed the touching of these two stones of Ka'ba (the black stone and the Yemenite Corner) both in the presence and the absence of crowds, since I saw the Prophet touching them." I asked Nafi': "Did Ibn 'Umar use to walk between the two Corners?" Nafi' replied, "He used to walk in order that it might be easy for him to touch it (the Corner stone)."

Please see the "History of Mecca" video for more.

Just as we were given the example of the Canaanites idolatry, we were also given the example of Yahweh's judgment, on people who engage in such abominable practices. The same spirit drives people to demonize and blaspheme the Apostle Paul who taught:

1Corinthians 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.

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Re: Old Testament Violence
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2012, 09:54:29 AM »
Muhammad's true followers - that is those who terrorize non-muslims as their "prophet" did - target for murder innocent men, women and children, as evidenced by over 18,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world just since 9-11, while following in the footsteps of one of the most consummate - and self-admitted - terrorists in the history of mankind.

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Thus it's not surprising that Muhammad's followers in YouTube and other venues often seize on the lessons Yahweh taught us from three thousand years ago either...

1. to excuse away the 7th century imperialistic mass murder, female prisoner abuse, slavery, terrorism, and the theft of the property of others by Muhammad...

2. or to blaspheme the record of the one true God Yahweh, because His Scriptures offer us as much assurance today that Muhammad was a false prophet, as they did the Jews of Medina in Muhammad's day. Indeed, if Muhammad's 23 year 7th century record is true, then the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind through all of His prophets and witnesses that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years is false. In which case we should all be following Muhammad by prostrating ourselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol, that is located 1200 kilometers away from the Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs. An idol that Yahweh may even have arranged to have smashed to pieces, as Abraham smashed his father's idols, yet even that still doesn't deter those who venerate the cobbled together pieces of the Arabian pagan's idol to this day.

Muhammad's followers blaspheme Yahweh with such meticulous exegesis as one recently quipped of Numbers 31:17 "there's your holy bible ... sounds more like satan than god". Thus rather than learning the harsh historical lessons taught regarding disobedience to YHWH, this follower of Muhammad instead chose to engage in disobedience by blaspheming Yahweh.

Muhammad's followers must also necessarily contend against the Apostles by rejecting the WHOLE PURPOSE of the Messiah, by denying the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel - the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah - just as the first century Gnostic Simon the Sorcerer did, whose doctrine Muhammad most likely received through his first wife Khadijah's cousin Waraqa bin Naufal by way of the Ebionites.

For more on that subject please see the "Simon Magnus, Gnosticism, the Ebionites & Islam" video.

Muhammad's followers blaspheme the God of the Jews and Christians even as they wish that Muhammad and his Quran had something to do with the very God of the Scriptures that they blaspheme! This even as Muhammad instructed his followers to fight Yahweh's people until we are, at a minimum, enslaved subjects of Muhammad's followers.

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Muhammad even ordering up his "Allah's" curse on Yahweh's people, like some sort of a voodoo incantation - rejecting THE truth that Yahweh's people have followed for 3500 years - necessarily precluding the ridiculous suggestion that Muhammad's followers worship the God of the Jews and Christians.

Muhammad's followers join in the chorus of atheists and others of the flesh who criticize Yahweh's judgment, because they are of this world, as opposed to the kingdom of God.

Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The kingdoms of this world have been Satan's legal possession ever since Adam's fall, so it shouldn't be a surprise that for 1400 years Muhammad's followers have lusted after rule over the kingdoms of this world, and subjugation of all peoples to Muhammad's followers. Viewing Scripture through carnal eyes, explains their shock and horror at the prospect of a baby being killed, while God's people recognize that the baby is with the Lord.

Please see the "Ishmael's children" video for more on the "children of the flesh".

1Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

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Re: Old Testament Violence
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2012, 09:55:11 AM »
Revisiting Matthew Henry's summary of God's judgment on the Amorites, "...it ought not to be drawn into a precedent for military executions, which make no distinction and give no quarter: those will have judgment without mercy that show no mercy.", let's consider the mercy Muhammad showed when he attacked a faithful, moral, literate, peaceful, honest, productive, prosperous farming community of Yahweh's people. Did this imperialistic conqueror even try to excuse away the slaughter of those non-combatants by feigning a "revelation" that it was his "Allah's" will and judgment against Yahweh's people?

Bukhari:V5B59N448 "They then surrendered to the Prophet's judgment but he directed them to Sa'd to give the verdict. Sad said, 'I give my judgment that their men should be killed, their women and children should be taken as captives, and their properties distributed.'"

Sa'd's proposed mass murder of Yahweh's people is certainly a far cry from our opening Scriptures in which "...the LORD thy God hath commanded..." His people, to vanquish the sexual deviates that sacrificed children to idols of pagan deities. Not even a pretense that Muhammad's "Allah" had offered the "verdict" on those peaceful and faithful Jewish farmers, but rather a self-interested follower of Muhammad. This proposed slaughter of innocents, sexual enslavement of their women and children, and theft of their property even after Muhammad had earlier declared:

Sura 4.125 Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to Allah, does good, and follows the way of abraham the true in Faith? For Allah did take abraham for a friend. 

What did Abraham do after conquering the kidnappers, of his nephew Lot and family, who then after being vanquished freely offered Abraham their property?

Genesis 14:21 And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself. 22 And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth, 23 That I will not [take] from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that [is] thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:

Abraham worked for a living as opposed to stealing the fruit of the labor of others. What did the merciful follower of Muhammad, Ka'b Asad propose, after the non-combatant peaceful Jewish farmers - that never struck a blow - had been "terrorized" by one of the most consummate terrorists in the history of mankind?

Ishaq:461 "After the siege exhausted and terrorized them, the Jews felt certain that the Apostle would not leave them until he had exterminated them. So they decided to talk to Ka'b Asad. He said, 'People of the Jews, you see what has befallen you. I shall propose three alternatives. Take whichever one you please.' He said, 'Swear allegiance to this man and accept him; for, by Allah, it has become clear to you that he is a prophet sent from Allah. It is he that you used to find mentioned in your scripture book. Then you will be secure in your lives, your property, your children, and your wives.'"

Ishaq:462/Tabari VIII:30 "The Jews said, 'We will never abandon the Torah or exchange it for the Qur'an.' Asad said, 'Since you reject this proposal of mine, then kill your children and your wives and go out to Muhammad and his Companions as men who brandish swords, leaving behind no impediments to worry you. If you die, you shall have left nothing behind; if you win you shall find other women and children.' The Jews replied, 'Why would we kill these poor ones? What would be the good of living after them?'"

So the alternative offered to abandoning their faith in Yahweh and His Torah, and instead prostrating themselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day, was to kill their own wives and children, conspicuously abrogating Muhammad's previously recited "no compulsion in religion" drivel.

We will later learn what Sa'd meant when he said the Jews would "find other women and children", if they killed their own wives and children as per his "offer", and joined company with Muhammad and his followers "as men who brandish swords". We also understand through these verses what the real motive was, of men who didn't have jobs or sources of income other than property looted from caravans and otherwise stolen from honest, hard working and productive people, like the Banu Qurayza farmers.

Ishaq:463/Tabari VIII:34 "When Sa'd reached the Messenger of Allah and the Muslims, the Prophet said, 'Arise and go to your master and help him dismount.' Then Muhammad said, 'Pass judgment on them.' Sa'd replied, 'I pass judgment that their men shall be killed, their women and children made captives, and their property divided.' Allah's Apostle proclaimed, 'You have passed judgment on the Jews with the judgment of Allah and the judgment of His Messenger.'"

Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."

Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "Huyayy, the enemy of Allah, was brought out. He was wearing a rose-colored suit of clothes that he had torn all over with fingertip-sized holes so that it would not be taken as booty. His hands were bound to his neck with a rope. When he looked at Muhammad he said, 'I do not regret opposing you. Whoever forsakes God will be damned.' He sat down and was beheaded."

By Muhammad's day Jews had been worshiping Yahweh for a couple thousand years and those faithful Jews knew who Yahweh is, and so they knew who to fear, and it wasn't Muhammad and his alter-ego "Allah". They well understood that their temporal lives in this world would end, by rejecting Muhammad as a "messenger" of Yahweh, but they knew from their Torah that accepting him would result in being separated from God forever.

Tabari VIII:38 "The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims."

They mass murdered all of the innocent Jewish farm boys who had reached puberty along with their dads and grandpas, because they refused to abandon the Torah and directing their prayers toward Jerusalem - the Holy Land of their prophets and patriarchs - to instead spin around, turn their backs on Jerusalem, and follow the false prophet Muhammad alone by prostrating themselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol and Kaaba in Mecca five times a day.

Almost amusingly - if it weren't so tragic - Muhammad himself had earlier led his followers to pray toward Jerusalem and even recognize the Sabbath. It was only after the Jews of Medina through their Torah, had easily identified Muhammad as a false prophet, that he switched the qibla of his followers from facing Jerusalem to facing Mecca, and switched his "holy day" from the Sabbath to Friday. Muhammad's rejection of the Sabbath, obviously makes his followers wishful empty claims of having anything to do with old covenant "law", patently absurd.

Tabari VIII:40 "The Messenger of God commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence."

Mohammed sat down to relax and relish in the spectacle of innocent Jewish farm boys having their heads cut off in front of him. It's easy to see this earlier model of hatred of Jews, manifest later on in Hitler and the Islamic Grand Mufti of Jerusalem's holocaust, but even Hitler didn't have the chutzpah to visit his own gas chambers.

Unfortunately, being witness to the beheading of their husbands, children, fathers, and grandfathers wasn't the worst of it for the women, because it wasn't just the property that the enterprising Jews had worked for generations to build that motivated this self-serving "prophet". In the following passage, besides sexually enslaving female prisoners of war, Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" also assigns him all the wives he wants - but only for him. His followers are limited to four wives, plus all the "captive" sex slaves they can support.

Sura 33:50 - "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; ... and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Surah 4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess:...

Clip of Danish Embassy protest inserted here.

Tabari VIII:38 "The Prophet selected for himself from among the Jewish women of the Qurayza, Rayhanah bt. Amr. She became his concubine. When he predeceased her, she was still in his possession. When the Messenger of Allah took her as a captive, she showed herself averse to Islam and insisted on Judaism."

Unless we are expected to believe that a woman would desire to have sexual relations, with the man responsible for beheading her husband and father, it isn't difficult to characterize Muhammad's sex with Rayhanah. Let alone that Rayhanah was a Jew and Mohammed was a gentile that was still in the process of composing his unique, stand-alone, 23-year 7th century record.

Ishaq:466 "The Apostle chose one of the Jewish women for himself. Her name was Rayhana. She remained with him until she died, in his power. The Apostle proposed to marry her and put the veil on her but she said, 'Leave me under your power, for that will be easier.' She showed a repugnance towards Islam when she was captured."

What about Muhammad's followers who were "... appointed ... the captives ..." by Muhammad's "Allah"?

Bukhari:V5B59N459 "I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, 'We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.'"

Just a little casual chat in their "holy" Mosque. In order to suggest their actions were not rape, one would have to believe that those faithful Jewish women would have desired to have sex with the very men that had beheaded their husbands, sons, brothers, fathers and grandfathers, while dividing their children among the Muslims and selling them off into slavery, and stealing their property.

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Re: Old Testament Violence
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2012, 09:55:40 AM »
What may the book of Daniel say about Muhammad on the subject of women?

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. 38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not...

"Neither shall he regard ..... the desire of women..." All a Muslim husband has to do is say "I divorce you" three times and it's done. In Saudi Arabia, under their perfected model of sharia law, they do it by text message. Consider also FGM or female genital mutilation, as championed by the Muslim Brotherhood, a barbaric practice of which as high as 96% of Muslim women in more "moderate" Egypt have been subjected. As Winston Churchill put it: "The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men."

Muslims claim Muhammad isn't a fit for the ruler in that verse because he did not "...magnify himself above all...", blindly and tragically confusing Mohammed's words, with the reality of what Mohammed accomplished. He indeed magnified himself above all because Muslims must necessarily reject the one true God Yahweh and His prophets and witnesses as revealed His 1600 year record, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years, to follow Mohammed through his stand-alone, 23 year, 7th century record. Honoring the "God of forces", while engaging in Arabian jinn-devil worship rituals at Al-Safa and Al-Marwah, and prostrating themselves toward a black stone idol five times a day.

Qur'an 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things."

Mohammed's alter-ego "Allah", revealed as a terrorist, who "took down" Yahweh's people. Just as Mohammed's true followers who live in the cradle of his "religion" today, desire to kill the Jews and "drive them into the sea".

Quoting Benjamin Netanyahu: "If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel"

"Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book." once again making painfully obvious how preposterous the notion is that Muhammad's followers worship the God of the Jews and Christians.

Ishaq:465 "When their wrists were bound with cords, the Apostle was a sea of generosity to us."

"Generous" with stolen property, like a Mafia Don "splitting the take" with his fellow thieves. Muhammad's "charity" consisting of sprinkling part of his ill gotten gains around his neighborhood, like an organized crime boss, cheerfully accepted by those reprobate enough to receive stolen property. Or like a politician being "generous" with the confiscated fruit, of the labor, of others.

Ishaq:465 "Then the Apostle divided the property, wives, and children of the Qurayza among the Muslims. Allah's Messenger took his fifth of the booty. He made known on that day the extra shares for horses and their riders - giving the horse two shares and the rider one. A Muslim without a horse got one share of the spoil. It was the first booty in which lots were cast."

The self-serving "prophet" Mohammed having received a prior "revelation" from his "Allah" (Sura 8.41), that lavished on him 1/5 of all of the property stolen from others, again like a Mafia Don. After all, possessing between 11 to 13 wives, plus concubines and slaves - with counts totaling over 20 - Muhammad had quite a crowd of dependents to maintain. Since lots were cast even though Mohammed's religion prohibits gambling, it gives us a good idea of how much interest Mohammed's fellow cutthroats had in his homespun "religion", beyond what they could personally gain from it.

Ishaq:475 "Allah commanded that horses should be kept for His enemy in the fight so they might vex them. We obeyed our Prophet's orders when he called us to war. When he called for violent efforts we made them. The Prophet's command is obeyed for he is truly believed. He will give us victory, glory, and a life of ease. Those who call Muhammad a liar disbelieve and go astray. They attacked our religion and would not submit."

And neither will I, by the one Great God of the Scriptures Yahweh, in the name of my Lord and Savior Yeshua, Jesus Christ, whose precious shed blood saved a sinful wretch like me from dying to sin.

Tabari VIII:39 "Then the Messenger of Allah sent Sa'd bin Zayd with some of the Qurayza captives to Najd, and in exchange for them he purchased horses and arms."

Slave making and trading, along with property stolen from others, is what financed the imperialistic conquest of the Islamic First Jihad all way all the way up to Tours France, and Vienna Austria.

And so it went.

Ishaq:480 "The Qurayza met their misfortune. In humiliation they found no helper. A calamity worse than that which fell upon the Nadir befell them. On that day Allah's Apostle came to them like a brilliant moon. We left them with blood upon them like a pool. They lay prostrate with the vultures circling round."

Isn't that a beautiful portrait of "Allah's Apostle"?

Tabari VI:133 "We pledge our allegiance to you and we shall defend you as we would our womenfolk. Administer the oath of allegiance to us, Messenger of Allah, for we are men of war possessing arms and coats of mail."

"The religion of peace"

Ishaq:204/ Tabari VI:134 "'Men of the Khazraj, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man.' 'Yes,' they answered. 'In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging ourselves to wage war against all mankind.'"

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Re: Old Testament Violence
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2012, 09:56:24 AM »
Muhammad's 21st century followers are actually indoctrinated to believe that Muhammad brought civilization to an uncivilized world, even as the exact opposite was true of the mass murder, rape, pillage and plunder of the imperialistic conquest and slaughter of the Islamic first jihad, which spread the darkness of prostrating oneself toward the Arabian pagan's idol in Mecca throughout nearly the whole known world. The bloody imperialistic conquest continues unto today because.....

Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

SLAYING NON-MUSLIMS IN "ALLAH'S" CAUSE IS BINDING ON MUHAMMAD'S FOLLOWERS IN THE QURAN!

While slaying and being slain is binding on all able bodied male followers of Muhammad in the Quran, that verse is a lie in regard to the same being binding in the Gospel.

Muhammad's followers, atheists, and other willful unregenerates looking for an excuse to reject Yahweh, join together in falsely accusing the Gospel and followers of Jesus Christ, of historical atrocities committed by men, that falsely attributed their actions to being done in the name of Jesus Christ, which also included the murder of Christians. Confirming of course that those false accusers have never read the Gospel, in which the new covenant is revealed through the "Lamb of God" the "Prince of Peace", that repeatedly teaches as follows:

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Yet even as atheists and agnostics should be as concerned as other non-muslims regarding their heirs being subjugated to Muhammad's followers, they join hands with them in contending against the followers of Jesus Christ who are called, most importantly, to love everyone.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

What battle are the true followers of the Messiah, Yeshua, Jesus Christ, engaged in?

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

But it isn't like Christians shouldn't expect atheist's and Muhammad's follower's false accusations and blasphemy against the prophets and Apostles.

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

Like the Apostle Paul for example.

And of Muhammad's Islamic kingdom "beast"...

Revelation 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, [calling Yahweh "Allah"] and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

That is the Body of Christ.

1Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Please hit your pause button and read this footnote from the Quran completely for yourself.

Sahih Al-Bukhari - "Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its Pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah is made superior and He becomes the only God who may be worshiped. By Jihad Islam is propagated and made superior. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position. Their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, and Muslim rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape this duty dies as a hypocrite." page 580 of Maktba Dar-us-Salam's Sahih Al-Bukhari

Quoting Craig Winn regarding the above passage in his excellent, free, online, text and audio book "Prophet of Doom" from which many of Islam's verses in this video are from: "Memorize this paragraph. Shout it out to all who will listen. Every word was derived from the Qur'an. Every word was lived by Muhammad. It accurately represents fundamental Islam, so much so, each of the 150 Hadiths that follow this definition of Jihad speak of fighting; none suggest a spiritual struggle. Among them, Muhammad says that the most important deed is Jihad, fighting in Allah’s Cause. (Bukhari:V4B52N44) And the Qur'an agrees, saying peaceful Muslims are hypocrites, destined for hell. They are 'the worst of creatures,' 'the most vile of animals.'" (Qur'an surahs 3 and 33.)

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Re: Old Testament Violence
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2012, 09:57:21 AM »
Whose bidding are these true, fundamental, Muslims doing when they "Fight those ... People of the Book?"

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman [Israel], and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Thus it should come as no surprise that 105,000 to 170,000 Christians are martyred around the world every year, and recently 1,000 more on the Ivory Coast of Africa at the hands of the new Muslim government. Christians being killed, not in combat, but often simply for refusing to renounce their faith in Jesus Christ when it is demanded of them by Muhammad's followers. The world witnessed the recent church burnings in Egypt as the Muslim Brotherhood presides over a rebirth of the imposition of dhimmitude in the Middle East.



John 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.



Muhammad's true fundamental followers that get Islam - inspired to kill even fellow Muslims that are perceived as "renegade" because they are "moderate" and peaceful - that is, ignorant and hypocritical. Burning churches in Africa, Indonesia, and around the world.



On Christmas day 2011 church bombings killed another 40 Christians in Nigeria by the hands of Muhammad's true followers who "Fight those ... People of the Book" "instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers" "and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in ... the Qur'an" "pledging ourselves to wage war against all mankind." who "would not submit" to Muhammad's followers to which "Allah is made superior and He becomes the only God who may be worshiped."

How will the just God of the Scriptures judge those that blaspheme Him, with declarations that the bible is "corrupted" and "there's your holy bible ... sounds more like satan than god", specifically because those Scriptures confirm that Muhammad was a false prophet?

John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.

Muhammad's followers need to sit down and list all the reasons they prostrate themselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol five times a day, and run back and forth between Al-Safa and Al-Marwah as the Arabian jinn-devil worshipers did. The only item that should be on that list is because Muhammad told his followers to. A man who had engaged in those rituals as a pagan, and later adopted and adapted them to fit his pop stand-alone 7th century religion so he could profit from Kaaba Inc., as his uncle did before him and the Saudis do today. As Craig Winn referred to it, Muhammad's "Profitable prophet plan".

Indeed Muhammad would seem quite conspicuously THE false prophet of the book of Revelation - whose followers are compelled to proclaim the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel - the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Please see the "Islam Denies the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel" video.

Rejecting the blood of the Lamb of God that would save them because of their faith in Muhammad. Blaspheming the Son of God.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

Earlier I wrote "Understanding begets accountability". Does that mean that understanding had sex with accountability? It might have in the mind of an illiterate 7th century southwest Arabian desert dweller.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Surah 9.30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. ... Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

As prophesied in the Old Testament book of Isaiah regarding the promised Son:

Isaiah 7:23 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Fulfilled in the new covenant through the Messiah:

Matthew 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Please see the "Crucifixion of the Messiah in Prophecy" video.

Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

If you've followed the video to this point it may well be that there has been sufficient scripture presented, to assure that the viewer now understands enough, to be held responsible and accountable.

2Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

To return to prostrating themselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca. For those in whom the spirit of antichrist will elicit a knee-jerk response, to continue to blaspheme the scriptures of the one true God Yahweh:

2Peter 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Please see the videos "The False Prophet", and "The 'Beast' of Revelation 13", for more on Islam in prophecy, as the final foe of Yahweh's people.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

God gave our Muslim friends free will to choose between the truth of the sinless Messiah as revealed through the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind, or the mass murdering, prisoner abusing, thieving, terrorist, the false prophet Muhammad, who proclaimed the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel through his stand-alone, 23 year, 7th century record. ONE MUST CHOOSE.

Those characterizations of Muhammad are how he is revealed through his followers own books.

1John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Please join us in the Islam-Christian Forum for "fellowship with us", and discussion of these subjects, and much more. Few things illustrate the fruit of the verses that follow more than the testimonies on the YouTube channel Muslims4Jesus:

Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

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Re: Old Testament Violence
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2012, 05:04:21 PM »
I sometimes keep my videos open for a little while when I upload them. The following chats aptly demonstrate why I close them. Lots of the typical ignoring responses and sniping in 500 character bits and pieces knowing that the record of the conversation will be flushed to successive pages anyway obscuring accountability. This one begins with a gay person that didn't have an interest in the subject of the video of Old Testament violence, but instead wanted to make it about homosexuality. I protected his identity.
The only editing I did was extend links live so they would be clickable.
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WRONG homosexuality wasn't even in the Bible.
gayperson 2 weeks ago
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@gayperson The video isn't about homosexuality, but I think you'll have some difficulty supporting your claim. Start with:
Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.
Then Google - canaanites homosexuality -
PeteWaldo 2 weeks ago
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@PeteWaldo Hewbrew text Leviticus 18:22= Man shall not lie in a womans bed, it is ritually unclean. Christians add and remove things from the Bible all the time.
gayperson 2 weeks ago
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"Christians add and remove things from the Bible all the time." You suffer the same affliction that Muhammadans do. Just because you are willing to declare a lie doesn't mean it will magically come true.
1) That verse was written 1400 years before the Christian era.
2) All you did was demonstrate abject ignorance regarding Hebrew scribal methodology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEJ1hk4lH3U
3) from a very anti-Christian Jewish site
22 You shall not lie down with a male, as with a woman: this is an abomination.
PeteWaldo 1 week ago

@gayperson "Christians add and remove things from the Bible all the time." Sure. They go back and erase verses from millions of copies, and the next day go back and add verses to millions of copies "all the time". That verse I quoted is from a Tanach of Jews engaged in "Anti-missionary education" so you'll have a difficult time accusing Christians of being responsible for it.
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9919
Blaspheming the one true God, while creating your own, is a bad idea.
PeteWaldo 1 week ago
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@PeteWaldo YOU blaspheme God, I speak truth.
gayperson 1 week ago
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@gayperson By blaspheming the God of the bible and his Holy Word, while demonstrating on your own video that you don't even have the ability to control your adolescent language...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n7dtC_UPgo
...all you've done is further demonstrate that you follow a god and scriptures of your own creation, as the Canaanites and all the others who set up false gods. Do not soil this video with any more of your off-topic foolish lies and blasphemy as they will be removed.
PeteWaldo 1 week ago
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@PeteWaldo God knows the truth. You will never see heaven, your full of hate and stupidity.
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(to the general viewers that would follow)

This video is not about homosexuality, nor have I been called to that area of ministry. If you want to discuss homosexuality, I recommend you contact those who have been called to that area of ministry, like Exodus International. Here's a video to get you started:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhY3IkkT3cY
PeteWaldo 3 days ago

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Re: Old Testament Violence
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2012, 11:47:24 AM »
The chat with atheistX that followed has been split off and moved to the atheist section at this link.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3287.0

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Re: Old Testament Violence
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2012, 09:45:39 AM »
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These historical "events" as you call them, they inspired people over generations to do crimes in the name of God. Do you read about history?
History is filled with it. But men filled with the Spirit of God have always understood that those matters of historical record are simply that. And that record of those historical events never "inspired" a single person to engage in criminal activity in the name of God. Satan alone inspires that behavior, just as surely as he inspired the mass murder and female prisoner abuse of Muhammad and his followers, or the murder and mayhem we see going on today in the Muslim world, on the feeble excuse of a video. Before that it was 800 cars in France burned because of a cartoon. Crimes all perpetrated against people and property that had absolutely nothing to do with the cartoon or video. Moral reprobates, who engage in behavior that is the exact opposite of that in which we are called to engage in through the Gospel, have, however, cited such historical record as an excuse, in an effort to try to mask their actions, that were purely the product of satanically driven personal greed, lust, hatred and revenge (according to your side of the story regarding the Banu Qurayza). You yourself know that the hate filled murderous Muslims of today cite Muhammad's behavior as that which his followers are to emulate, as are his dictates to be followed. And according to Muhammad and Islam they are correct in so doing, because it is every Muslim's job to engage in the conquest of the world and subjugation of all people to Muhammad's followers. This is how we can know the nature of the spirit that is behind Muhammad and Islam.
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What inspired who killed Jews and Muslims in Spain?
The same as killed Christians. The Roman "Church". Here's some history of that.
Fox's book of the martyrs.
http://www.biblebelievers.com/foxes/findex.htm
Martyr's Mirror
http://www.homecomers.org/mirror/
It is Satan that does that, just as surely as Satan is martyring between 105,000 and 180,000 Christians around the world every year, primarily by the hand of Muhammad's followers.
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What inspired to make the "holy wars"?
I don't believe that God calls us to sit back and let evil overcome those that cannot defend themselves. For example if you looked out your window and saw a man knock down the lady next door and begin to rape her, would you feel that God wanted you to consider that a matter between the two of them, or that He would want you to intervene on behalf of the helpless woman?

The purpose of the crusades to free people that were living under the satanic oppression (from dhimmitude to genocide) of Muhammad's followers in the Holy Land, was a noble enough goal. (Indeed the only claim the religion of Islam has to THE Holy Land is Muhammad's fantastic tale about an unwitnessed flying donkey/mule, that it seems he in part cooked up to cover an adulterous affair.)
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1253.0

The problem with the execution of that proposed liberation, is that virtually none of the guys engaged in it knew any more about the Gospel, than most Muslims do. Bibles were not in distribution, and the only Gospel they had ever heard was in Latin, a language they were unfamiliar with. So they were clueless regarding the Gospel and thus simply in bondage to the men who lorded over them. Add to that, clergy of the Roman Church telling them that if they went on the campaign, they would receive absolution from sin for life. An offer that clergy had no more authority to make, than authority to hold the positions that they held, having usurped the headship of Jesus Christ in the church. It should be no surprise then, that men who believed they had permanent absolution from sin, would give in to their base instincts of greed, lust and hate, and engage in murder, rape, pillage and plunder, just like Muhammad and his followers did.
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What inspired who killed tens of millions of Red Indians?
Perhaps primarily greed and lust for land. Toss in a little hatred, like Muhammad's followers have for Jews (also the Roman church historically, that also murdered and persecuted Jews).
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What inspired who killed millions of people in europe in the name of religion?
That's right. In the name of religion. Certainly not consistent with the Gospel, but the exact opposite.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Jhn 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
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What inspired who killed millions in Africa and Asia?
Satan through Muhammadan Islam. With over 2 million killed or displaced by Muhammad's followers in the Sudan alone. Another 1,000 Christians martyred on the Ivory Coast by the new Muslim government. Nigeria in the same shape, etc. ad nauseum.
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What inspired who made Africans as slaves to build their new world after killing the native people?
Yes a shameful history, however Muhammadans are the real historical slave makers, and Africa is where the Muslim world captured their slaves from, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJhSejBDTPI as they still do today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1j8D1j9mEc
Slavery wasn't "officially" outlawed in Saudi Arabia and Yemen until 1962, UAE 1963, and Oman in 1970, and then in those countries, only because of outside pressure. Slavery will always be a part of Islam because Muhammad was a slave maker, slave trader and sanctioned slavery. So there can be no question as to who's spirit was behind Muhammad, and is behind Islam today.
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What inspired who killed the native people of Australia?
What inspired who made the WWI and WWII?
What inspired who fight for just racist causes?
What inspire who make wars today?
etc...
etc...
etc...

It's one thing, the Bible.
I wouldn't be surprised if even you know how backwards and satanic your claim is. Particularly as we find Christians helping and healing around the world, while we find Muhammad's followers engaged in murder, mayhem and subjugation of others. The "one thing" - that inspires imperialistic conquest for land, riches and profit, mass murder, rape, and subjugation of free people, is the same that inspired you to blame the bible for it - and that is Satan himself. Examples in more modern times are Nazi Germany, the Japanese empire and Soviet Russia - just like Islam - along with a plethora of historical empires. The kingdoms of the world have been Satan's legal possession ever since Adam's fall. That's why Muhammad's followers lust after all kingdoms and desire to subjugate all people to themselves. Because they work for Satan. Christians harbor no interest in imperialistic conquest because we are not of the world but are in the kingdom of God.

Indeed after the first few times we showed you the truth, and pointing your way to the cross, we are technically called to then simply walk away and leave the matter between you and Jesus Christ. If you want to continue to follow a mass murdering, child doing, female prisoner abusing, thief to perdition that is up to you. The reason I, and likely most folks in here continue on in the chat, is for the benefit of Muslims that are lurking the forums, and are genuinely seeking truth.
Have you ever even read the Gospel? Here is a one verse summary:

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.