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Peter

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Chat with decengi
« on: July 08, 2009, 07:03:41 AM »
decentgi wrote:
[[[make it easy prove that the bible is the entire word of god and to save you the trouble of replying its no not at all its not even inspired correctly.....]]]

Too bad you weren't around to warn Allah before he made this, what you must think foolish, recommendation in the 7TH CENTURY:
Surah 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

[[[..... i do agree that once upon a time there was such thing as the truth when it came to the gospel but you yourself along with many other scholars confirm it has been tainted by the hand of man.]]]

But "tainting" would hardly be an applicable term. The whole subject of the New Testament is the new covenant, that was prophesied in the Old Testament, that we were given through the crucifixion, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ to serve as the one sacrifice for all, to save us from our sins. Surely you can see how difficult it would be support that the New Testament was changed, so that the whole subject discussed throughout every gospel, of every prophet and apostle to be the EXACT OPPOSITE, of what the lone man Mohammed taught, so many centuries later.

All books of the bible or Quran are penned by the hands of men, though others had to write for Mohammed because he was illiterate. The last books of the New Testament were written by about 100 A.D. by the apostle John who was still alive at that time. We have over 5300 partial or complete manuscripts of the New Testament penned prior to fourth century A.D. in virtually every popular language that was known at the time.
Surely you can see how difficult it would be to go back and change all those bibles in all those languages, particularly after the 7th century when your "Allah" advised me to judge by what he revealed in the Gospels.

In the case of Mohammed's recitations, he himself admitted how badly he bungled the Quran by having it require so much abrogation.

Quran 2:106 None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?

Ya right. Not abroagted. Just..... substituted! Yea that's it..... substituted!
The Quran is so self-contradictory that a whopping 71 out of only 114 suras require abrogation as detailed in the "Al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh".
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0
I highly recommend "Anatomy of the Quran" by G.J.O. Moshay if you want to learn more about it's construction.

The Word of God hasn't been tainted. The dead sea scrolls confirm the textual accuracy with which it was handed down to us.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=97.0

In modern times men created pop-versions of it that are based on a faulty 19th century Greek text. It is those pop-versions are tainted, not the Word of God. That's why I would like to stick with the KJV that was based on the Textus Receptus Greek for discussion in this forum. This link has the KJV by default: http://www.blueletterbible.org/


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Re: Chat with decengi
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2009, 10:05:19 AM »
[[[how can Jesus be god or the son of god, when Jesus clearly confirms he is his servant and not his begotten son....]]]

http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=55.0

[[[.... you see a muslim will always prevail over a christian becase he brings evidence to the table the christians own bible fights against him for the truth is in black and white

John 14:23 (King James Version)

23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.]]]

Let's start with this one:

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Do Muslims baptize in the name of the Father Yahweh, the Son Jesus Christ - Yeshua, and the Holy Ghost?
Do Muslims keep Jesus words?