suma (1 week ago)
now you have 2 Gods
brotherjw (1 week ago)
Tell me sum, do you believe that God has a Spirit?
Sura 15.29: "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and BREATHED INTO HIM SOMETHING OF HIS SPIRIT, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
suma (1 week ago)
"breathed into him of MY SPIRIT "
there is no word "something" in translation !
another correction My spirit NOT His spirit.
The surah tells us the creation of Adam.
Spirit (ar-ruh) is God' attributes, These attributes was transfered to man, so Man (Adam) is an image of God.
God is all knowing (al alim) and so human has knowledge. God is the most merciful and so man has a spirit of mercy. God is al hakim (the wise) and so man has wisdom. Back to unanswered question : you now hv 2 Gods?
brotherjw (6 days ago)
I like your translation better. MY obviously being God in that verse.
Does God have a Spirit? YES OR NO?
If His Spirit is an "attribute" of God then of course YES.
Otherwise how could He impart it to man? Adam or me.
Sura 16:102 Say, the HOLY SPIRIT has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.
So, does God have a Spirit? YES OR NO?
I will continue with your question after you answer this.
suma (6 days ago)
Surah 16:102
qul naz-zalahuu ruuHul qudusi ...
ruuhul Qudsi = Holy spirit = Angel Gabriel
Meanwhile on 15:29 My Spirit = My attribute.
When you teach your child you would tell your boy in his soccer game like this :
"Son .. to win this competition you and your fellow team have to have a spirit of a champion"
Do you see spirit? means here ?
This is ar-ruh = the spirit
God has everything, he is a dzahir and a bathn, the manifest and non-manifest. Every THING are belong to Him alone.
suma (6 days ago)
My will, My mercy, My spirit
Yes God has spirit, God has will, God has mercy etc.
Back to my question :
Now you have 2 Gods?
Answer this !
brotherjw (6 days ago)
"Yes God has spirit"
Then your comment applies to yourself:
"Now you have 2 Gods"
As Mohammed assigned God's Spirit in Christian worship as a 2nd God, God's Spirit counted separately, so
suma is guilty of worshiping the same 2 Gods Mohammed accused Christians of.
Mohammed said "say not three", but you say 2 already. That would make you a polytheistic hypocrite.
I doubt you count your own belief in Mohammed's way any more than a Christian would.
Understand?
Can we agree on this?
suma (5 days ago)
brotherjw,
God has spirit
God has will
God has mercy
God has power
Now you have 4 Gods
You are? get so confused !
Use your comment sense !
brotherjw (5 days ago)
Whose confused?
Your suggesting that:
God + His Spirit = 2 Gods for Christians but
God + His Spirit = 1 God for Muslims
Can't you see how transparently hypocritical that is?
suma (5 days ago)
You are confused !
You can't say God has spirit means there is another God called spirit !
God has spirit and God has mercy ...? why don't you call Mercy is also another God beside Spirit ?
Now it is cleared you are so inconsistent and so confused.
brotherjw (4 days ago)
"You are confused !
You can't say God has spirit means there is another God called spirit !
God has spirit and God has mercy ... why don't you call Mercy is also another God beside Spirit ?
Now it is cleared you are so inconsistent and so confused."
But you just made my point.
They are ALL GOD aren't they!
God's Spirit isn't separate at all, is it?!
Do you see how Mohammed lied, when he assigned God's Spirit as a separate God to Christians, but not to Muslims?
suma (4 days ago)
That what you say and believe : Spirit is another God.
Muslim believe spirit is attribute Not another God.
Muslim believe mercy is attribute Not another God.
You haven't answer, how many Gods do you have: Father, Son and Spirit ? Now seems to be you have 3 Gods + God of Mercy + God of Power ...
brotherjw (4 days ago)
"Muslim believe spirit is attribute Not another God."
So do Christians. That's what makes Mohammed a liar.
ONE GOD. From the Gospel
Mark 12:29 ... The Lord our God is one Lord: ... 32 ... for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
suma (4 days ago)
If you believe spirit is not God then now you have 2 Gods Father and the Son. This is what you believe mr. brotherjw:
Spirit is not God
Father is God
Son is God
--- 2 gods ... what brotherjw believes! ----
In regards 1 John 5:7 TRYING TO TRICK ME?
this verse is now universally recognized as being a later "insertion" of the Church! It has been thrown out from many bible, have all unceremoniously expunged this verse from their pages. Sorry .... and shame ....
brotherjw (3 days ago)
"...verse is now universally recognized as being a later "insertion"..."
Perhaps by Mohammedans.
Can you really be that ignorant to the bible? That is the WHOLE SUBJECT of the New Testament.
This verse says the same thing:
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Jesus, the Son of God IS that Word, made flesh:
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...
See how your foolish lies compound?
brotherjw (4 days ago)
"That what you say and believe : Spirit is another God.
Muslim believe spirit is attribute Not another God."
Now you are resorting to lies.
I showed you I believe God HAS a Spirit. His Spirit is OF God. ONE GOD.
But you lie about it just like Mohammed did.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit OF God moved upon the face of the waters.
If they were separate it would say Spirit AND God, not OF God. See how you lied?
suma (3 days ago)
brotherjw now you change mind:
This is what you said earlier:
""Muslim believe spirit is attribute Not another God." So do Christians. That's what makes Mohammed a liar.
REPEAT --- so do Christians ---
Now you changed mind ... this is what you just said now :
"I showed you I believe God HAS a Spirit. His Spirit is OF God. ONE GOD."
Wow ...
You have 3 Gods now ... keep counting ... how the math add up !
You have 3 Gods ... don't be shy ... admit it !
brotherjw (3 days ago)
You seem to share your false prophet's literacy level.
You quote me as saying there is ONE God, as the bible instructs, and that God HAS a Spirit that is a part OF God, or as you say is an attribute (actually manifestation).
Then you turn around and lie like Mohammed by assigning God and His Spirit as 2 Gods in my belief, which is neither my belief nor what God's Word teaches.
Repeating this lie doesn't make it any more true, but rather condemns you to the domain of the father of lies - satan.
suma (3 days ago)
brotherjw, you are right bible instructs to worship ONE God, alone! Jesus also commanded his people to worship God alone. But you worship Jesus, Father and Spirit, how can you are being against bible, Jesus and especially God's instruction to worship God alone without any partner.
In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
Say: He is Allah, the One!
Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
He begetteth not nor was begotten.
And there is none comparable unto Him.
brotherjw (3 days ago)
Christians worship God alone, through Jesus Christ.
In Jesus name through the power of the Holy Spirit.
God IN US.
1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
Your quote is straight from satan, channeled through the false prophet Mohammed, by way of the jinn that even Mohammed admitted met him in the cave.
suma (2 days ago)
brotherjq you said : Christian worship God alone.
Okay now you are agree Jesus is not God!
and you are agree God not beget a son.
brotherjw (2 days ago)
Now that we agree that God and His Spirit = one God in Islam and Christianity, we can continue.
God revealed Himself to mankind through His Spirit. He revealed Himself in other ways as well.
Jesus IS God, manifest, or revealed, in the flesh.
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
brotherjw (2 days ago)
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
God, the Word, was made flesh.
Even Muslims call Jesus "Ruhullah", meaning the Spirit of God.
watch?v=GZvFvObWF7I
suma (2 days ago)
God, Allah is one God, his spirit is attribute not another entity nor another God. Don't confuse that matter.
God and his spirit and his mercy and his power and his anger and his knowledge and his spirit and his mercy and his love and his many other attributes.
Jesus never said "I am God, worship me!"
suma (2 days ago)
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time...
Man has seen Jesus.
Thus Jesus is not God !
brotherjw (2 days ago)
Jesus is God manifest, or revealed, in the flesh.
He provided the perfect and sinless example of a man, that became the perfect sacrifice to save ALL who believe in His shed blood.
A manifestation of God. Like His Spirit is a manifestation.
Jhn 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?
watch?v=geGTBo2X3sY
brotherjw (5 days ago)
Of course you can see it.
Even a blind man can see it.
You just can't admit to that obvious truth because you are filled with the spirit of antichrist that has removed your love of truth and replaced it with a love of lies.
suma (5 days ago)
I am a muslim, love Isa al masih alaihi salaam (Jesus Christ). He is beloved prophet, one of the mightiest prophet sent by God. But he, Jesus himself is not a God, he prayed to God.
God is one, nothing beside him, a jealous God, no two nor three nor hundreds nor thousands, not a trinity God, has no partner no association, he rich beyond needs. Everything are depend on him, But he depends on nothing. That is my God your God which we muslim call him Allah.
brotherjw (4 days ago)
You can't love Jesus, because you don't even know Him.
You blaspheme Him by following the false prophet Mohammed who lied about Jesus dying on the Cross to save us from our sins.
watch?v=d4rtYAO3UxA
You blaspheme God by denying His manifestation in Jesus Christ.
Your God is Satan, my friend.
God's people have followed Him for 3500 years, in 2 covenants through ALL of the prophets and apostles of His Holy Word.
You follow the 23 year record of A SINGLE 7th century reprobate that WAS and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE.
brotherjw (4 days ago)
God is indeed one God. This from the Gospel:
Mark 12:29 ... The Lord our God is? one Lord: ... 32 ... for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
This also from the Gospel:
1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these THREE ARE ONE.
See how simple that is?
Even you believe God has a Spirit.
Have you ever read the Gospel? Here's the same version Ahmed Deedat used to quote from:
islamandthetruth. com
