[[[somebody is trying to pull me out of the light .....]]]
Sure. Out of the light of a 7th century murdering thief...
[[[......& throw me in the darkness ......]]]
And into the darkenss that God's people have followed for 3500 years through his 1600 year record.
[[[.......he lives in, claiming that it is the light.]]]
It isn't about what I claim about the light.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.[[[ in order to make sure which is the light & which is the darkness, i need to have strong, & very strong evidences. we have only one life, only one chance, only one choice....& i gotta make the right one.]]]
Now you're talking!
Have you ever even read the bible, or just take proven liars like Deedat's word for it?
Here is the same King James version that Deedat used. Why not read a little?:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/The History of the Quran
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=96.0Jabr
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=452.0Abrogation
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0Mohammed
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=336.0Textual integrity of the bible
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=97.0[[[Mathew is not a prophet, not a messenger, witness = 0,]]]
Of course he was. Even your prophet tells you to believe in the scriptures that were sent before him:
Surah 4:136
O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray.Jews and Christians too
Surah 5:68
Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord."So how can you "believe in" the scriptures before Mohammed if you never read them? Here is the same version that Deedat used:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/But why pick on Matthew? You must reject Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul, etc. etc. You must reject the WHOLE SUBJECT of the New Testament/new covenant, because Mohammed denied the event they all witnessed, along with hundreds of others, and write about.
[[[....the book has been translated from its original language,....]]]
Indeed. We have over 5300 complete or partial manuscripts that were penned before the 3rd century in every popular language that was known to man. All of them confirming each other is how we know it has been handed down very much intact. Let alone discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls in the late 1940s that confirm this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R2Zp7T5XlAThe Quran was collected on leaves, rocks and worse than that, in men's minds. Aisha even said that the "stoning" verses that were part of the transcripts that she kept under her bed were eaten by goats when they were busy with Mohammed's funeral.
To understand how tragic it is to think men's minds can be depended upon, next time you have 10 people in a room, have one person whisper a story into another's ear, and so on around the circle. By the time it gets back to the first guy he won't even be able to recognize it.
That's why the Quran went through two separate burnings. There were tons of versions all over the Arabic world. One collection and burning under Bakr with a preferred version saved, and the other burning under Uthman after his three man "editing" board determined what it should include.
I probably don't have to tell you that Shiites believe that about 25% of the Quran was left out of the final draft.
[[[...... even names has been translated....The sin thing is not fair, ...]]]
Why? Because you believe God could entertain sinful people in heaven? That's why we have to be washed by Jesus shed blood. To be cleaned before we can join God.
Though in Mohammed's heaven you got boys serving you chicken and wine while you play with your multiple virgin partners. A regular bordello.
Didn't that ever strike you as a strange concept of heaven? Do you wonder why fresh water is the most recurring theme when Mohammed's heaven was written by a desert dweller, appealing to his partners in crime?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEfKpgiYgHY[[[....the trinity does not make sense....]]]
It's simple. You already believe in 2 parts of the trinity.
You can't deny that God has a Spirit.
Sura 32.9:
But He fashioned him in due proportion, and BREATHED INTO HIM SOMETHING OF HIS SPIRIT. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding).Exd 31:3
And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,Sura 16:102
Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.God revealed Himself to us through His Spirit and through Jesus Christ.
Even you believe that Jesus was the only person in human history ever to be conceived by a virgin by God Himself.
God revealing Himself through Jesus Christ is why Christians worship God alone, in Jesus name, or through Jesus Christ.
[[[Any person who have a lightened mind, will not look into this & will stick to the Quran where everything is clear & obvious.....]]]
All you are doing is saying you prefer to see and understand God through the simple eyes of a 7th century desert dwelling illiterate, rather than trying a little study of the Word of God. Even Islam teaches that you can't even conceive about what God is.
[[[......the book is still in his original language,.....]]]
And in English too, from which I Quote, and many other languages.
The New Testament was written in Koine Greek. Greek was the lingua franca of the first century holy land. If you want to read it in Koine Greek go to this link and use the drop down menu. I often look at the Greek/English interlinear to check the KJV.
http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm[[[.... the oneness of God is clear, ....]]]
Of course Jews and Christians couldn't agree more:
Mark 12:29
... The Lord our God is one Lord: ... 32 ... for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
[[[....there's no trinity,....]]]
But you already believe in 2 parts of it.
Christians don't believe God's Spirit is a separate God, any more than Muslims do.
See how Mohammed deceived you?
Or maybe he was just too thick to understand it, since he was so mentally challenged that he was never able to learn how to read, even though his wished he could.
You are voluntarily adopting a middle-ages illiterate desert dweller mindset.
Does Islam teach that God is as easy to understand as your next door neighbor? Or course not. God is a big mystery but you pretend to think He should be simple to understand.
Rom 11:33
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out![[[..... the person who taught us the book does not say he is God, nor his companion twisted the words......]]]
If Mohammed didn't twist his book so pitifully himself, why did he think he would be perceived as a forger (and already was by all those that made fun of him) knowing that he abrogated so much of it:
Surah 16:101 When We substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.
That verse doesn't indicate divine revelation, but rather the changing whims of it's author. Even Mohammed knew what a mess he made of it.
[[[...... & said so, nor they 've written the books with their ownnames .....]]]
Yours was recited by one single murdering, raping, pillaging, plundering, bloody imperialistic conquering 7th century thief.
[[[.....& we're born without sins.]]]
You mean you want God to be what you wish to believe.
We are all born under sin, ever since Adam.
1Cr 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.But that doesn't mean that babies, or retarded, or ignorant people, etc. are condemned. Because where there is no law there is no transgression:
Rom 4:15
Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.But unfortunately for you if you could plead ignorance before now, you can't plead ignorance any more, because you have been shown the truth of Jesus Christ, and the sacrifice He made for you and I on the cross. He gave His life so that you and I could be saved from our sins.
Jhn 10:18
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.Now you must choose to join God's people, that have followed Him for 3500 years, or stick with your 7th century false prophet that WAS and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE of God's 1600 year record.
Even you believe Jesus was sinless. Why not follow Him rather than a thief?
Some Muslims try to think their way through it by saying that God would never let Jesus suffer on the cross.
If you think that Jesus martyrdom was uncharacteristic, that's the way Christians have been Martyred ever since over the last 2000 years.
The Roman church tortured us in many diabolical ways.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=424.msg1848#msg1848Please watch the attached video regarding the apostles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4rtYAO3UxA
