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Chat with prem
« on: July 22, 2009, 10:42:06 AM »
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Du bist ein böser Mensch. Dein Userpic sagt schon aus, wie Du erschaffen bist, nicht aus Friede.
Wer will den Tod des Jesus Christus? Islam nicht! Wir essen kein Menschenfleich und trinken kein Menschenblut. Wir? opfern keine Söhne. Du bist so blind und hass erfüllt. Ist das Deine "Nächstenliebe"?
Einen sterbenden, leidenden Menschen so zu zeigen, ist Mißachtung seiner Würde aber egal, ihr stellt Jesus ja auch nicht anders dar: Tot am Kreuz. Ihr wollt Leid? Ihr wollt Blut sehen? Und unterstellt uns, Euer böses Wesen? Ich kann leider kein englisch. Gruß aus Germany

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You are an evil man. Your UserPic says it, as you create art, not peace.
Who wants the death of Jesus Christ? Islam is not! We eat and drink no Menschenfleich no human blood. We sacrifice no sons. You are so blind and hateful. Is that your "love"?
A dying, suffering people as to show disregard for their dignity is but regardless, it is not Jesus so different: Death on the Cross. You want suffering? You want to see blood? And under us, your being rude? I can unfortunately no English. Greetings from Germany

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Re: Chat with prem
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2009, 10:43:58 AM »
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God isn't about what we wish he were, but about how He chose to reveal Himself to us.
Jesus sacrifice to save all from sin is about love, not hate. He died for you and me. As to why God chose to reveal Himself that way we can only wonder, but blood atonement has been revealed as a part of God's plan ever since He had Abraham take Isaac up on the hill.

Nobody took Jesus life. He GAVE it so that we could be saved from our sins:
Jhn 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
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Jesus crucifixion and resurrection is the WHOLE SUBJECT of the? new testament, that was prophesied many hundreds of years before Jesus was crucified:

Old Testament prophecy:
Psa 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

New Testament fulfilled:
Mat 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
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Even Mohammedans believe that the first drop of blood shed by a Muslim so-called "martyr"  may provide propitiation for the sins of 70 of their nearest and dearest friends and relatives.<br />Yet because of their antichrist false prophet they can't imagine for a moment, that a loving God could manifest, or reveal, Himself in the flesh, to do the very same thing for all mankind.
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Prema61, Gott ist nicht das, was wir wollen er, sondern darum, wie Er wählte, um sich mit uns auf.
Jesus geopfert, um alle von der Sünde ist, über die Liebe, nicht des Hasses. Er starb für dich und mich. Wie, warum Gott wählte, um sich auf diese Weise können wir nur fragen, aber Blut Sühne wurde gezeigt, wie ein Teil von Gottes Plan, seit er hatte Abraham Isaac nehmen bis auf den Hügel hinauf.

Niemand nahm Jesus das Leben. Er hat es so, dass wir gerettet werden könnte, von unseren Sünden:
Jhn 10:17 Deshalb redet mein Vater liebt mich, weil ich mein Leben festlegen, dass ich könnte es noch einmal. 18 Kein Mensch nimmt es von mir, aber ich Lay It Down von mir. Ich habe Macht, Lay It Down, und ich habe Macht, um es noch einmal. Dieses Gebot habe ich empfangen von meinem Vater.
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Jesu Kreuzigung und Auferstehung ist das gesamte Thema der? Neues Testament, wurde prophezeit, dass viele Hunderte von Jahren vor Jesus gekreuzigt wurde:

Altes Testament Prophezeiung:
Psa 22:16 Für Hunde haben compassed mich: die Montage des Bösen haben inclosed mich: sie durchbohrt meine Hände und meine Füße.
18 Sie Teil meiner Kleidungsstücke unter ihnen, und die Lose auf mein Gewand.

Neuen Testament erfüllt sein:
Mat 27:35 Und sie ihn gekreuzigt, und teilte seine Gewänder, Gießen viele, dass es erfüllt werden, das Wort durch den Propheten, Sie parted meine Kleider unter ihnen, und nach meinem Gewand haben sie Lose.
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Auch Mohammedanern glauben, dass der erste Tropfen Blut von einem muslimischen so genannten "Märtyrer" propitiation können vorsehen, für die Sünden von 70 ihrer nächsten und liebsten Freunden und Verwandten.
Doch wegen der Antichrist falschen Propheten sie können sich nicht vorstellen, für einen Moment, dass ein liebender Gott manifestieren könnte, oder zeigen, sich in das Fleisch, um die gleiche Sache für die ganze Menschheit.

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Re: Chat with prem
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2009, 10:46:33 AM »
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Hallo
Vielen Dank für den Kommentar.
a) Es gibt keine &quot;Mohammedaner&quot; wir beten nicht Mohammed an. Das ist entscheidend! "GOTT ALLEIN&quot; das 1. Gebot!
b) Ahmed D. kann ein "Betrüger" sein, aber auch dann hat er recht in allem, was er über arabisch-hebräisch
über die Bibelfälschungen sagte. Der Westen versteht den Orient nun mal nicht.
Was sie hier machen, empfinde ich als Teufelswerk und sie als Teufelswerkzeug das heißt: Sie sind das Werkzeg des Bösen, des Hasses. Das ist traurig. Liebe Deine Feinde. M.Gandhi sagte: &quot;Nenne niemanden Deinen Feind, alle Menschen sind Deine Brüder und Schwestern&quot; sie aber säen nur Hass und Gewalt und Beleidigung. Ich schäme mich für? Sie als Mensch. Sie sündigen gegen Ahmed D. deshalb wird ihm vergeben und ihnen nicht.   
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Hello
Thanks for the comment.
a) There is no "Muslim" we do not pray to Muhammad. This is crucial! "GOD ALONE" the 1st Bid!
b) D. Ahmed, a "fraudster", but even then he is right in everything he has Arabic-Hebrew
about the Bible said counterfeits. The West sees the Orient do not now.
What they make here, I see as the work of the devil and the devil as they tool that is: They are the Werkzeg of evil, of hatred. That is sad. Love your enemies. M. Gandhi said: "Give not your enemy, all people are your brothers and sisters," but they only sow hatred and violence and insult. I am ashamed for you as a person. You sin against Ahmed D. Therefore it will not forgive them.

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Re: Chat with prem
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2009, 11:00:14 AM »
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Prema61, if you want me to continue using the translating tool, please join me in the forum, and I will also try to write in a more translatable fashion. This channel comment section is entirely unsuitable. I devoted a subject to you there: brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=486.0
Mohammedans FOLLOW Mohammed and necessarily REJECT ALL of the prophets and apostles of the New Testament.
Christians worship GOD ALONE through Jesus Christ - the WAY - God chose to reveal Himself to us, to come to Him.
What did Mohammed say IN THE 7TH CENTURY about the book you / Deedat condemn?
sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein.
See how right you were? Deedat is a "fraudster" as you put it.
Join me in the forum where we can really explore these things with live links and such, my friend.
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=486.0
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Prema61, wenn Sie möchten, dass ich weiterhin mit der Umsetzung Werkzeug, wenden Sie sich bitte mit mir in das Forum, und ich werde auch versuchen zu schreiben, in einem Übersetzungsvorlage Mode. Dieser Channel Kommentar ist völlig ungeeignet. Ich habe ein Thema für Sie da: brotherpete. com / index. php? topic = 486,0
Mohammedanern FOLGEMASSNAHMEN Mohammed und unbedingt gegen alle von den Propheten und Apostel des Neuen Testaments.
Christen verehren Gott allein durch Jesus Christus - den Weg - Gott wählte, um sich an uns, zu ihm zu kommen.
Was hat Mohammed sagen, im 7. Jahrhundert über die Buch / Deedat verurteilen?
sura 5.47 Lassen Sie die Leute des Evangeliums Richter von dem, was Allah darin offenbart.
Sehen Sie, wie Sie sich richtig? Deedat ist ein "Betrüger", wie Sie es nennen.
Join Me in das Forum, in dem wir wirklich können, diese Dinge mit Live-Links und so, mein Freund.
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Re: Chat with prem
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2009, 12:23:34 PM »
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Let me show you how nice this forum is to use.

Du bist ein böser Mensch. Dein Userpic sagt schon aus, wie Du erschaffen bist, nicht aus Friede.
Wer will den Tod des Jesus Christus? Islam nicht! Wir essen kein Menschenfleich und trinken kein Menschenblut. Wir? opfern keine Söhne. Du bist so blind und hass erfüllt. Ist das Deine "Nächstenliebe"?
Einen sterbenden, leidenden Menschen so zu zeigen, ist Mißachtung seiner Würde aber egal, ihr stellt Jesus ja auch nicht anders dar: Tot am Kreuz. Ihr wollt Leid? Ihr wollt Blut sehen? Und unterstellt uns, Euer böses Wesen? Ich kann leider kein englisch. Gruß aus Germany

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You are an evil man. Your UserPic says it, as you create art, not peace.

How can a Muslim talk about peace and follow the Quran too? Middle eastern Muslims would cut your head off for that kind of apostasy unless they knew you were engaging in taqiyyah, or lying in the way of Allah:

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Who wants the death of Jesus Christ?

God isn't about what we want. God is about how He revealed Himself through ALL of the prophets and apostles in the 1600 year record of His Word. Jesus death and resurrection is about WHAT HE WANTED:

Jhn 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Islam is not!

That's right. Islam rejects the very blood that would save you from your sins. Unless you repent you will die in sin.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

We eat and drink no Menschenfleich no human blood.

Perhaps you are confusing Christianity with the Roman Church.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=70.0

The rest of us to take communion on occasion, but it is in the same sense as the first century church. As a remembrance of the blood that was shed for us, as Jesus asked us to do.

We sacrifice no sons.

But that's simply not true. Muslims believe the first drop of blood shed by a Muslim so-called martyr may provide propitiation for the sins of 70 of his nearest and dearest friends and relatives.

You are so blind and hateful. Is that your &quot;love&quot;?

Perhaps you could be more specific about where you find hatred. The reason my free time is devoted to Muslims is because I love you. Otherwise why would I bother?

A dying, suffering people as to show disregard for their dignity is but regardless,

If you meant the image of Deedat during the 9 years he spend paralysed you may have missed the text of the words that were being said over him:

"I went to Capetown and I told them what you said about the Cape Town Muslims, the most militant Muslims in Africa..."

You see prem, most of us that enjoy the peace of civil society don't appreciate "militant Muslims" like Deedat did, and like those that have perpetrated over 13,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks, around the? world, just since 9-11:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

it is not Jesus so different: Death on the Cross. You want suffering?

Regarding suffering:
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

You want to see blood? And under us, your being rude? I can unfortunately no English. Greetings from Germany

The Google translating tool seems to be doing OK.

This whole page can be entered in the translate tool as a URL if you scroll down a little and paste the URL in here under "Translate a web page":
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Result:

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Re: Chat with prem
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2009, 12:40:45 PM »
From here on I will not include both German and English because all one has to do is paste the URL into the Google search tool and request English to German or German to English and it includes the whole text in the single language requested. I may go back and remove the translated sections because the tool works so well.
http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en

Might be best to enter each individual topic as a separate post. Separating paragraphs.