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Search the web as I have, on different occasions over some time, I am still unable to find any web pages or videos in which James White (first discovered him when I used to haunt YouTube) expresses a position on Zionism (or Israel for that matter). I'm sure I must be overlooking it, so if my brethren in here could direct me to some related web pages I would be most appreciative. James White is a fairly high profile Christian apologist that is quite involved with helping Muslims understand the truth about Islam VS the Gospel, though it isn't unusual for YouTube Muslims to find enough comfort in some of his criticism of other Christians that they upload White's videos to their own channels (a distinction that, to my knowledge, my own videos have never had to suffer).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMA_e5wm4ho

Following is a video by a guy who White characterized (in the prior video) with: ".....and so I contacted the other oracle of knowledge of all things Islamic...uh....and that was Sam Shamoun...", who's following declaration seems to describe Zionism as an "abomination".
The sound-bite video is extremely brief and out of context, so please don't trust it, but until we can turn up more it is about all I have been able to find from White or Shamoun on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGwBHYrBu2Y

In a word search of a listing of titles of of Shamoun's subject papers, zion or zionism does not occur, and I only found one instance of the word Israel:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/
5 references to Israel on this page, but to OT references:
http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun.html

When I visit Alpha & Omega Ministry's channel I do find an invitation to pay $20 to join a "chat" room, but I personally don't find "chat" to be the best form of Internet communication because generally a permanent record is obscure at best, so outside of the moment, time spent is essentially wasted. While I am completely ignorant as to how their particular software works, I can observe that I haven't been led to any of its content through an Internet search.
I find it far preferable for discussion to be laid out in this forum format, which can provide a permanent record for accountability, that folks can easily discover and access through a click on Internet search results, the way some folks find their way into this forum and I do into other forums.
Let alone the convoluted process involved in spending that $20 to join.
https://youtu.be/XehcToFEIzo
http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php/chat/

While James White is quite an outspoken critic of other Christians (with at least some of it being constructive), I still come up empty handed in my searches regarding his stand on the restoration of Jews to Israel - opinions regarding which I personally find to be such a constructive divider and definer of all mankind - religious or not.

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Re: Alpha & Omega Ministry's James White + Sam Shamoun - on Zionism
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2016, 11:54:22 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H23pO_iGpKs
White accuses carelessness of thought while giving himself over to just that. Mischaracterizing those of us who understand that Islam and Islam's books and universities drive terrorists, with a straw man lie that we believe "all Muslims are murderers". Citing the words of Muslim apologists for the Orlando Massacre (who's words are irrelevant as far as true fundamental orthodox Muslims in the Middle East cradle of the religion of Islam are concerned), while White attempts to preempt criticism by suggesting that he knows that "Christians will say..... taqiyyah...." (which is of course because that is what many of Islam's terrorism apologists are engaging in).
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/global_war_against_truth.htm#dissimulation
While White ignores the basis of what inspires fundamental Muslim terrorism which is the Quran and Hadith as well as the spirit of antichrist as exampled by Muhammad and 1400 years of Islamic history.
The primary purpose of the terrorist's acts, of course, is simply to act as the hand of "Allah" to "instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers".
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm#terror

Regarding the Orlando massacre, White turns it into a discussion about persons, rather than the books of the imperialistic murderous theology that drives them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=576ab727-0000-2967-b858-94eb2c18e1fc&feature=iv&src_vid=yMA_e5wm4ho&v=_jyiE6CE7mI

Next segment "Now I've said more than once, and I'll back it up, Islam is closer to Biblical Christianity than Mormonism ever could be."
While a somewhat moot which-is-worse-than-the-other-argument, I don't think Mormons set out by having to deny the very basis of whole subject of the Gospel - denying the crucifixion of Christ and thus rejecting His sin atoning shed blood as an article of their faith - while prostrating themselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca and praying in the "vain repetitions of the heathen" 5 times a day. Indeed: "We believe in and teach the infinite and all-encompassing atonement of Jesus Christ, which makes forgiveness of sin and salvation possible for all people.” (See Mormon Church Statement on Blood Atonement.)"
http://mormonchurch.com/1661/do-mormons-believe-in-blood-atonement

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Re: Alpha & Omega Ministry's James White + Sam Shamoun - on Zionism
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2016, 02:44:18 PM »
This could explain the dearth of opinion on Zionism:

"In a recent broadcast by James White, White admitted to being an “amillennialist”, but admitted that he never, ever, debates prophecy....."
https://dorightchristians.wordpress.com/2013/09/03/james-white-amillennialist/