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Peter

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Second chat with masb months later - jw
« on: August 18, 2009, 08:50:46 AM »
Returned much later 8-18-09:

[[[why dont you put these verses into practice? you obvioously have hatred for muslims......]]]

I love Muslims. That's why I hate Islam. The EXACT OPPOSITE of the way God revealed Himself to us in His 1600 year record.

[[[..... you called a good man ahmad deedat the anti-christ!]]]

It isn't about what I called him:

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:...

Deedat made up his own bible verse to deceive Muslims that don't know the bible into believing they are not antichrist.
I am trying to save you from God's wrath because I love you:

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

[[[ when he memorized the bible! this was said because of the verse in the bible that says all non-christians are the anti-christ.]]]

That's not what the bible says. For example God Himself blinded some Jews from recognizing that Jesus is the Messiah - the Son of God - that they have been expecting.

[[[...which is not true. the reason why i say this is because some non-christians have become christians!]]]

The Bible says that where there is not law there is no transgression. So if someone is too young to understand, or retarded, or hasn't been brought the Word, they are not guilty.
A very different matter than those who have been brought the Word of God but reject it.

[[[ you called the final beloved prophet muhammad (pbuh) a pedaphile.....]]]

I generally avoid this part of Mohammed because there is much more solid things he is guilty of. I do sometimes use "child doing" in my description of him, which cannot be argued.
But he is far more guilty of being a plundering, murdering, thief, for example. A whole sura (8 "Spoils of War - Booty") details what to do with the property stolen from others during imperialistic conquest including Mohammed's 1/5 share of it, much like a Mafia Don.

[[[...... when that is just a b.s ignorant comment coming from a christian who hasn't studied islam from a certified muslim! the prophet muhammad (pbuh) taught us that when a girl who is at the age to bear a child that is the earliest age she can get married. and thats only if the parents and the girl accept marrage (she can't be forced to do anything she doesn't want to do even wearing the vail like the pure mother of jesus (pbuh)!]]]

If you review what you wrote, you may be able to see the reprobate nature of Islam. Not a single thing that you mention takes into consideration what THE GIRL WANTS. Only how others are "allowed" to impose their will on her.This was prophesied of Mohammed and his followers:

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, NOR THE DESIRE OF WOMEN, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Do you see? You never for a moment considered what the girl might want. Aisha was only 6 when she was given to Mohammed in marriage. The experience was so traumatic her hair fell out (according to Islamic scholars)

Continued....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_4_tbN-b_A

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Re: Second chat with masb months later
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2009, 08:51:13 AM »
[[[ talking to you has been a waste of time because you have many diseases in your heart that prevent us from having a good debate.]]]

It isn't about what I say, my friend. That's why I quote God's 1600 year record so much:

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE SON OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.

Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

You must necessarily reject that 1600 year record God gave us and must REJECT ALL of the prophets and apostles, to follow the 23 year 7th century record of Mohammed, which is the OPPOSITE.

[[[ "none of you is a true believer until you love those who hate you and pray for those who curse you......]]]

Why do you think my life is devoted to bringing the Good News to Muslims? Because I hate you? If I hated you wouldn't I simply let you continue down your path to perdition, in the spirit of antichrist, following THE false prophet Mohammed?

[[[..... because if you only love those who love you then where is the reward in that?"]]]

You don't love someone by sitting around singing koom by yah as if all roads lead to heaven, while the Word of God tells us that Islam is the EXACT OPPOSITE of that Word.

[[[ -jesus (pbuh)- this verse is also believed by muslims!]]]

These verses?

John 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Mat 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

[[[.... you are no different then those people who cursed jesus (pbuh) based on your ignorance! ]]]

I am the OPPOSITE, my friend. I follow Jesus. You, on the other hand, blaspheme Jesus and reject the very blood that would save you.
What do you think the Jews built the temple for? The focus was animal sacrifice. Here's why, Old Testament or New:

Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and WITHOUT SHEDDING OF BLOOD IS NO REMISSION.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Without Him we die wallowing in our sin, my friend:

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation THROUGH FAITH IN HIS BLOOD, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

His crucifixion was prophesied in the Old Testament many hundreds of years before Jesus was revealed to us:

Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: they look [and] stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

Fulfilled precisely through Jesus' crucifixion:

Mat 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.

It is Satan that wants you to reject His shed blood so he can claim you for himself. ONE MUST CHOOSE. The 1600 year record of God to mankind through ALL of the witnesses in God's Word, or the 23 year 7th century record of A SINGLE false prophet, that has not had A SINGLE PROPHECY FULFILLED, whom not A SINGLE person ever heard Gabriel or Allah speak a single word to.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=564.0

[[[the same things that the final prophet muhammed (pbuh) was and is still being called was also said about jesus (pbuh)! "satan, devil worshiper, bastard, false prophet, ect...)!]]]

But you and I both believe that Jesus is perfect and sinless.

You cannot deny that Mohammed was a 7th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief.

IF A SINGLE CHARACTERIZATION OF MOHAMMED IS UNTRUE please tell me and I will drop it from my description of him.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=336.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=456.0

You see, my friend, when people characterize Mohammed like I have we are simply repeating what YOUR OWN BOOKS say of Mohammed.

[[[ "if someone says they are a messanger of god then try them (test them) if they are of god"!]]]

This comes from Deedat's homemade phony bible verse. The only verse that even comes close is for trying SPIRITS not persons.
It's 1400 years too late to try the spirits that made Mohammed writhe on the ground and foam at the mouth. 1400 years too late to try the spirits that met Mohammed in that cave that even he said was jinn because it tried to squeeze the life out of him 3 times. Does that sound like an angel to you?

[[[ -jesus (pbuh)- look at the teachings of the prophet muhammad (pbuh) and see if they are noble/correct teachings......]]]

I have. They are the EXACT OPPOSITE of the witnesses of the Bible. Please see the attached.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4

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Re: Second chat with masb months later
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2009, 08:51:42 AM »
[[[....... men and women are separated in the mosque, not because non-muslims say that muslims say men are above women, but to keep the mosque strickly a place of worship! not a place where guys and girls go to meet, flurt, and find a date! a christian friend of mine said that two of her friends got pregnent at a church retreat, and another christian said he had sex with a christian girl in his car at the chruch parking lot! when he told me this i was furious that he would do such a thing! then he said its just a building! salam (peace)!]]]

Do you think that is Christian behavior? Not even you do. So why do you suppose it is that you like to use them as an example?

We don't become Christians simply because someone sprinkled water on one's head as an infant, the way the Roman Church falsely teaches.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=512.0

The people you cite have only been deluded into believing they are Christians. You like them as an example because they encourage you to follow the false prophet Mohammed. The attached video will help you understand what a Christian really is.

What does the bible say about those kids behavior?

1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Your own books tell you that Mohammed and his men fornicated with concubines, were adulterers with wives of their vanquished enemies, and were murdering thieves. Where does that put them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ_26AE0G_8