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Pete

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On Islam being perfectly antichrist
« on: September 30, 2008, 09:03:11 AM »
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I have to apologize to city-on-a-hill, but when I was cleaning my notes up today I found this had somehow (but without question by me by accident) been moved in among my notes.[end edit]

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Shem (2 days ago)
"And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT:

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
Matthew 28:17-20

Jesus taught the Trinity.

PeteWaldo (2 days ago)

Here's another Shem:
1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Sum (1 day ago)
That is from the King James Bible! That verse is called the 'Comma Johanneum'. Though still used by the KJV, almost every single other bible has removed it from their texts.

If you read the history of your bible, that verse is not even in the original text! Bible scholars dont know how it made its way into the bible, so they discard it as an interpretation that somehow was later written in. Surely the cholars are more knowledgeable than you. Will you then discard that verse?

PeteWaldo (2 days ago)
And another Shem:
1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

PeteWaldo (2 days ago)
Revelation talks about THE FALSE PROPHET:

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

You think it's fun to blaspheme Jesus in the name of Mohammed but you are betting your eternal life against the prophets, in favor of one 6th century desert dwelling illiterate reprobate.

The spirit of truth is the Holy Ghost - the Comforter.
watch?v=ASKzQChe77U

PeteWaldo (2 days ago)
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you ANOTHER COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 [Even] THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom THE WORLD cannot receive, because it SEETH HIM NOT, neither knoweth him: but YE KNOW HIM; for he DWELLETH WITH YOU, and SHALL BE IN YOU.

The world seeth Mohammed not because he wasn't to be born for 500 years?
The Apostles knew Mohammed?
Mohammed dwelled WITH the Apostles?
Mohammed was to be IN the apostles?

Yea right Sum.

Sum (1 day ago)
So then who are the writers of these biblical verses that u take knowledge from? Who is John? Who is Matthew? Who is Luke? Did Jesus approve of their message?

Sum (2 days ago)
Rather, you don't have to take my word for it. Do a simple test yourself. You say Jesus and god are the same. Go to your bible, and everywhere u see the word God, place the word Jesus. Like this: 'I am going to My God and ur God' = 'I am going to my Jesus and ur Jesus'...You should try it: 'No one has seen Jesus', 'I was sent by Jesus', 'No one knows the hour, not even me (Jesus), except Jesus'. Makes no sense to me, maybe it makes sense to u. Let me know when u ready to speak about the truth

PeteWaldo (2 days ago)
It isn't about what I say Sum:
John 10:30 I and [my] Father are one.

Jesus was fully man while on earth. God chose to reveal Himself to us in Jesus flesh, to provide the perfect example to all mankind.

Mar 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, [saying], Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

To die for us for the propitiation of our sins if we simply believe in Him.
Mohammed - the exact opposite of the example of Jesus Christ in word and deed.

Sum (1 day ago)
You said Jesus was fully man on earth. Then you use 'The Father and I are One'. A few verses after that says 'The Father is Greater than me'. Common sense would require how can one be greater than itself.

In the first quote, u would say because Jesus is fully god even after you said he was fully man while on earth. If so, then u believe that humans killed god. Which means that god is not always around... which is a blatant contradiction of biblical script.

Sum (2 days ago)
I thought Jesus said God is one. But that must not matter to you. Jesus never said baptize them in the name of...spirit, and these three are all one god' or anything such equivalent.

So...when Jesus said 'Noone has seen God', does this mean that Jesus was invisible? When Jesus said 'I am going to My God and to Your God'- does this mean two different gods? Or was he simply stating that his God and ur God are the same.

Didn't Jesus pray? God does not.

Jesus didn't know the Hour. God does


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PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
How could a satan follower expect to find God? I already told you about modern bible versions and their rotted core in the corrupt 19th century Westcott and Hort Greek.
Here is the Greek Textus Receptus - the majority Greek text - The basis of the KJV:

1 John 5:7 BECAUSE THREE THERE ARE WHO BEAR WITNESS IN HEAVEN, THE FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST; AND THESE THREE ONE ARE.

olivetree. com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible. htm

Why would someone with evil in his heart expect to find right and good?

Sum (1 day ago)
I was doing some reading on the authorship of the books of the new testament. The four canons: well their authorship are purely speculative.

Take testimonies to a judge like that: Well we don't know who saw him commit the crime, but it could have been someone who later told their grandchild...case tossed out immediately. Yet the christian faith is based upon speculative writers? Speculative?!

Willing to bet your life on someone else's speculations?

PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
We are supposed to lend an ear to someone who follows a 7th century reprobate false prophet, that has actually convinced him that God would smile down on an older man taking 4 nine-year-old girls as "wives", in this 21st century?

Once a person is so hopelessly steeped in evil, their world becomes inverted. Searching to denounce and blaspheme God, while defending a 7th century sex crazed, murdering, reprobate.
You could die in an accident today and be standing before the Son of God in judgment.

PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
I must add Sum, I have had lots of chats with lots of Muslims but NONE have done a more thorough job than you, of exhibiting that spirit of antichrist.

Nor should it be a surprise to those reading our chat that you are also a holocaust denier.
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=96.msg308#msg308

ap (1 hour ago)
Sum want to loose 20 pounds of ugly fat?... leave Islam. CHOP...off comes the head!HA HA LOL so true.

ap (1 hour ago)
Time to wake up Summadat ,Mohammad is a known mass murder a slave owner and a pedophile its all over the internet the Genie is out of the bag and the world is starting to learn this well known FACT! Jesus said you will know false prophets by the fruit.Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.

Bukhari (4:232) - Muhammad's wives would wash semen stains out of his
SOME FRUIT!!!!!!!!

Sum (1 day ago)
The thing is, ur bible says that all blasphemy against Jesus will be forgiven. But blasphemy against God will not be forgiven. If you think those two things are equal, then you have major deficiencies in reading.

Next, u quoted Revelation. In Islam, before we quote anyone, we must know who that person is. NO CHRISTIAN SCHOLAR can say who Revelation was. Yes they say he called himself John- a very common name. Then they guess about the authorship. U call that proof?

PeteWaldo (14 minutes ago)
The only sin NOT forgiven in Islam is "shirk" manifest in specific denial of the Son of God.
Most Christians would be stunned to learn that failure to deny the Son of God is the only unforgivable sin in Islam.
That Muslims be antichrist is the only mandatory requirement of the false prophet.
THE PERFECT OPPOSITE.

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER

PeteWaldo (7 minutes ago)
"NO CHRISTIAN SCHOLAR can say who Revelation was."
That's why we have to depend on the Word of God.
Broad agreement among Christians and Jews that Daniel defines beast as kingdom:

lion = babylon = Iraq
bear = medo-persia = Iran
leopard = greece = Syria/Lebanon

John tells us:
Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a LEOPARD, and his feet were as [the feet] of a BEAR, and his mouth as the mouth of a LION: and the dragon gave him his power, and his SEAT, and great authority.

PeteWaldo (3 seconds ago)
Since the Islamic empire has it's seat in the same location, as scholars recognize Daniel's successive kingdom "beasts" to have been, the Islamic empire is the obvious "beast" - Mohammed's minions - making Mohammed the obvious false prophet of the book of revelation. A particularly perfect fit, since Islam is perfectly antichrist.
Plus a hermeneutically sound exegesis.
watch?v=dSCCeRdTIxU

Yahoo, even in quotes: "babylon, medo-persia, greece" to find broad consensus (over 18,000 sites)
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Re: On Islam being perfectly antichrist
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2009, 11:40:02 PM »
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Sum (1 day ago)
That is from the King James Bible! That verse is called the 'Comma Johanneum'. Though still used by the KJV, almost every single other bible has removed it from their texts.

If you read the history of your bible, that verse is not even in the original text! Bible scholars dont know how it made its way into the bible, so they discard it as an interpretation that somehow was later written in. Surely the cholars are more knowledgeable than you. Will you then discard that verse?

I am using the Geneva Bible which preceded the KJV historically.

1 John 5:7
"For there are three, which bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Noah Webster's Bible declares:

"For there are three that bear testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one."

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Re: On Islam being perfectly antichrist
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2009, 07:48:31 AM »
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Sum (1 day ago)
That is from the King James Bible! That verse is called the 'Comma Johanneum'. Though still used by the KJV, almost every single other bible has removed it from their texts.

If you read the history of your bible, that verse is not even in the original text! Bible scholars dont know how it made its way into the bible, so they discard it as an interpretation that somehow was later written in. Surely the cholars are more knowledgeable than you. Will you then discard that verse?

I am using the Geneva Bible which preceded the KJV historically.

1 John 5:7
"For there are three, which bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Noah Webster's Bible declares:

"For there are three that bear testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one."

City-on-a-hill


The KJV is the ONLY bible version that uses the term "Ghost". Only recently I have been trying to use the term Spirit with Muslims so as to keep the confusion down. However none of them has ever objected and they use the term, and copy and paste it without mention.

Certainly same Greek Word:
http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

Ghost
New Testament Greek Definition. You can see the word count in the KJV as 111 vs 89:
4151 pneuma {pnyoo'-mah}
from 4154; TDNT - 6:332,876; n n
AV - Spirit 111, Holy Ghost 89, Spirit (of God) 13,
Spirit (of the Lord) 5, (My) Spirit 3, Spirit (of truth) 3,
Spirit (of Christ) 2, human (spirit) 49, (evil) spirit 47,
spirit (general) 26, spirit 8, (Jesus' own) spirit 6,
(Jesus' own) ghost 2, misc 21; 385
1) the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal,
coeternal with the Father and the Son
1a) sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his
personality and character (the \\Holy\\ Spirit)
1b) sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his work
and power (the Spirit of \\Truth\\)
1c) never referred to as a depersonalised force
2) the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated
2a) the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels,
thinks, decides
2b) the soul
3) a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least
all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing,
desiring, deciding, and acting
3a) a life giving spirit
3b) a human soul that has left the body
3c) a spirit higher than man but lower than God, i.e. an angel
3c1) used of demons, or evil spirits, who were conceived
as inhabiting the bodies of men
3c2) the spiritual nature of Christ, higher than the highest
angels and equal to God, the divine nature of Christ
4) the disposition or influence which fills and governs the soul
of any one
4a) the efficient source of any power, affection, emotion, desire, etc.
5) a movement of air (a gentle blast)
5a) of the wind, hence the wind itself
5b) breath of nostrils or mouth


I yahooed up a few explanations as to what the term "Ghost" meant in the 16th century mindset. One example:

" It is only the King James Version of the Bible which uses the term “Holy Ghost.” It occurs 90 times in the KJV. The term “Holy Spirit” occurs 7 times in the KJV. There is no clear reason as to why the KJV translators used Ghost in most places and then Spirit in a few. The exact same Greek and Hebrew words are translated "ghost" and "spirit" in the KJV in different occurrences of the words. By "ghost," the KJV translators did not intend to communicate the idea of "the spirit of a deceased person." In 1611, when the KJV was originally translated, the word "ghost" primarily referred to "an immaterial being."

With recent Scripture translations, "Spirit" has replaced "Ghost" in most instances. Some of this came about because words don't always hold their meanings. In the days of Shakespeare or King James, ghost meant the living essence of a person. Looking back, we see that "breath" or "soul" were often used as synonyms of "ghost." During these times, spirit normally meant the essence of a departed person or a demonic or paranormal apparition. As language evolved, people started saying "ghost" when speaking of the vision of a dead person while "spirit" became the standard term for life or living essence, often also for "soul." With slight exceptions, "ghost" and "spirit" changed places over some 300 years."

http://www.gotquestions.org/Holy-Spirit-Ghost.html


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Re: On Islam being perfectly antichrist
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