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mohammad_saif

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« on: February 13, 2010, 03:18:02 PM »
hi everyone,
I'm an Egyptian muslim
I saw many of ur topics which is depinding on the false understanding of The Holy Quran & The Hadith
but unfortunately I can't reply !!!!
NOT because ur speech is true BUT because I'm not good in English.So I won't reply myself BUT I'll give U the site & the Email of an islamic orgnization to discuss with them.
site:  http://www.bridges-foundation.org
Email:  info@bridges-foundation.org

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Re: Islam
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2010, 05:31:07 PM »
hi everyone,
I'm an Egyptian muslim
Hi Mohammad, and welcome to the forum. :)

I saw many of ur topics which is depinding on the false understanding of The Holy Quran & The Hadith

Sorry, but much of what you are reading is from widely respected and quoted English versions of the Quran and Hadith.
What you more likely mean is that you don't like what it says.

 
but unfortunately I can't reply !!!!
NOT because ur speech is true BUT because I'm not good in English.

Don't be afraid to try. So far your English is fine.


So I won't reply myself BUT I'll give U the site & the Email of an islamic orgnization to discuss with them.
site:  http://www.bridges-foundation.org
Email:  info@bridges-foundation.org[/b]

Funny you should mention Bridges-foundation. I believe this was started by Mo Hassan, along with a TV station, to give non-Muslims the impression that Islam is a religion of peace.
Mo Hassan wound up cutting his own wife's head off.
Please review the details at this link.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=314.0

There can be no reconciling of Mohammed's 7th century god with the God of the Jews and Christians because Mohammed WAS and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE. Indeed Mohammed's god even curses Jews and Christians.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=148.0

If you don't want to see how Mohammed is revealed through your own books, then see how Mohammed's religion is measured, by the 1600 year record of God to mankind through ALL of His prophets and witnesses as revealed through His Word. Please review the threads in this section.

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Re: Islam
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2010, 12:43:19 AM »

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Re: Islam
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2010, 04:28:09 PM »
I can't reply again but may this sites change ur look to islam
http://55a.net/
http://www.elnaggarzr.com/en/index.php
http://english.islamway.com/
http://english.islamstory.com/
You aren't replying to anything.

Nothing will change my view of Islam because it is easy to see that it is inspired by Satan. Islam is antichrist. You are an antichrist according to the Word of God.

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER...

You don't believe the record that God gave of His Son.

1Jo 5:10  He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.


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Re: Islam
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2012, 07:18:44 PM »
Nothing will change my view of Islam because it is easy to see that it is inspired by Satan. Islam is antichrist. You are an antichrist according to the Word of God.

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER...

You don't believe the record that God gave of His Son.

1Jo 5:10  He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.
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You seem to be saying that one should be bowing to the flesh necessarily with the God. Please define what you mean by "Jesus" and "Christ" and the two together: "Jesus Christ".  Please also define The Antichrist further. All we need is a laying out of definitions.


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Re: Islam
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2012, 03:19:27 AM »
You seem to be saying that one should be bowing to the flesh necessarily with the God. Please define what you mean by "Jesus" and "Christ" and the two together: "Jesus Christ".  Please also define The Antichrist further. All we need is a laying out of definitions.

Could you please clarify what you are trying to say here. And scripture defines what antichrist is.

1Jo 2:18    Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1Jo 2:22    Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1Jo 4:3    And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2Jo 1:7    For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

These are the only verses in the entirety of scripture that antichrist is used. It is defined as one that denies Jesus is the Messiah, one who denies the Father and the Son, and one who does not believe Jesus is come in the flesh. This would include athiests since they most certainly deny the Father and while some may believe Jesus actually existed they do not accept His Sonship to God. It would also include muslims since they too deny His Sonship and vehemently deny God as the Father since in Islam Allah is transcendent of such distinction. These verses in John's day would have certainly been directed at gnostics who taught Jesus was not actually a flesh being, and unbelieving Jews but John also taught that it was a spirit of antichrist that inspired such declarations. Is it any surprise that satan would not still be attacking core doctrines of Christianity today?
Doth that man love his Lord who would be willing to see Jesus wearing a crown of thorns, while for himself he craves a chaplet of laurel? Shall Jesus ascend to his throne by the cross, and do we expect to be carried there on the shoulders of applauding crowds? Charles H. Spurgeon

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Re: Islam
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2012, 06:35:32 AM »
You seem to be saying that one should be bowing to the flesh necessarily with the God. Please define what you mean by "Jesus" and "Christ" and the two together: "Jesus Christ".  Please also define The Antichrist further. All we need is a laying out of definitions.

Could you please clarify what you are trying to say here. And scripture defines what antichrist is.

1Jo 2:18    Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1Jo 2:22    Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1Jo 4:3    And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2Jo 1:7    For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

These are the only verses in the entirety of scripture that antichrist is used. It is defined as one that denies Jesus is the Messiah, one who denies the Father and the Son, and one who does not believe Jesus is come in the flesh.

1John 4:3 is a test of spirits. As when a spirit is moving someone so speak in tongues, or is speaking through an individual. Most atheists, agnostics and secular historians would freely admit that Jesus Christ was a historical figure that did present Himself on earth in the flesh.

Here's a recent discussion about it that resulted in this fellow not coming back.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1284.msg12022#msg12022

This would include athiests since they most certainly deny the Father and while some may believe Jesus actually existed they do not accept His Sonship to God. It would also include muslims since they too deny His Sonship and vehemently deny God as the Father since in Islam Allah is transcendent of such distinction. These verses in John's day would have certainly been directed at gnostics who taught Jesus was not actually a flesh being, and unbelieving Jews but John also taught that it was a spirit of antichrist that inspired such declarations. Is it any surprise that satan would not still be attacking core doctrines of Christianity today?

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Re: Islam
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2012, 07:56:53 AM »

1John 4:3 is a test of spirits. As when a spirit is moving someone so speak in tongues, or is speaking through an individual. Most atheists, agnostics and secular historians would freely admit that Jesus Christ was a historical figure that did present Himself on earth in the flesh.

Here's a recent discussion about it that resulted in this fellow not coming back.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1284.msg12022#msg12022


I understand that but if they don't believe in the Father they cannot possibly believe in the Son. There is more to believing in the Son then mere intellectual assent to His existence as an historical figure.
Doth that man love his Lord who would be willing to see Jesus wearing a crown of thorns, while for himself he craves a chaplet of laurel? Shall Jesus ascend to his throne by the cross, and do we expect to be carried there on the shoulders of applauding crowds? Charles H. Spurgeon

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Re: Islam
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2012, 08:30:45 AM »

1John 4:3 is a test of spirits. As when a spirit is moving someone so speak in tongues, or is speaking through an individual. Most atheists, agnostics and secular historians would freely admit that Jesus Christ was a historical figure that did present Himself on earth in the flesh.

Here's a recent discussion about it that resulted in this fellow not coming back.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1284.msg12022#msg12022


I understand that but if they don't believe in the Father they cannot possibly believe in the Son. There is more to believing in the Son then mere intellectual assent to His existence as an historical figure.

Indeed. That's why were also given the test of persons in:

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER...

Even a satanist could honestly testify that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh per 1John 4:3. According to Ahmed Deedat's "test" that would make a satanist a true prophet of God. Using that verse as if it were a test of persons rather than spirits is what sparked the basis of Ahmed Deedat's grand deception, through which he fooled perhaps countless thousands of his adoring bible-ignorant minions, into believing that Muhammad and his followers are not antichrist (though he even created his own phony hybrid bible verse to do it).
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=335.0

That verse is used to identify unclean spirits and demons that are speaking through someone. They will even try to obfuscate, as in one example Ellis mentioned where a person that was new to a church had been talking in tongues. Ellis instructed the pastor on trying the spirit and so the pastor asked the spirit to "Confess that Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh." whereupon the spirit replied "I am he". The pastor that was trying the spirit had been warned about obfuscation and trickery in advance (by Ellis), and recognized the obfuscation,  then asked (approximately), "Are you the Holy Spirit in the name Jesus Christ who was crucified, died and resurrected and ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of God the Father?" Whereupon a loud deep guttural demonic voice came out of the woman said "Nooooooooooooooooo" as the poor gal flipped to the ground, with her hands all curled up, writhing on the floor.