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the religion of peace
« on: February 14, 2010, 04:09:51 AM »
ISLAM is NOT a war based religion & the verses which was talking about the jihad & killing nonmuslims was NOT meaning ALL of them It meant those who declared war on us only.
the proof :
open The Holy Quran: sura 60,verse 8 & 9
mention it cuz I don't have the english translation of the meanings of the Quran
Another proof : NOW in EGYPT we have a Christian Minister of Finance HOW ??
if the ISLAM is what U say there wouldn't be peace in any country that have Muslims in their citizens is that true ??

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Re: the religion of peace
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2010, 04:19:52 AM »
& I want u to watch this video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH-lJMXS-zU
& another thing :
Do u know what is the meaning of the Muslim greeting : alsalam alaykom ?
It means PEACE be upon u
& thanks

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Re: the religion of peace
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2010, 07:09:36 AM »
ISLAM is NOT a war based religion.......

I'm sorry my friend but that simply isn't true.

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Islamic conquest began with Mohammed's first caravan plunder and advanced through the Islamic First Jihad all the way to Poitiers France and Vienna Austria.

623 - Battle of Waddan
623 - Battle of Safwan
623 - Battle of Dul-Ashir
624 - Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement.
624 - Zakat becomes mandatory
624 - Battle of Badr
624 - Battle of Bani Salim
624 - Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr
624 - Battle of Bani Qainuqa
624 - Battle of Sawiq
624 - Battle of Ghatfan
624 - Battle of Bahran
625 - Battle of Uhud. 70 Muslims are killed.
625 - Battle of Humra-ul-Asad
625 - Battle of Banu Nudair
625 - Battle of Dhatur-Riqa
626 - Battle of Badru-Ukhra
626 - Battle of Dumatul-Jandal
626 - Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah
627 - Battle of the Trench
627 - Battle of Ahzab
627 - Battle of Bani Quraiza
627 - Battle of Bani Lahyan
627 - Battle of Ghaiba
627 - Battle of Khaibar
628 - Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish.
630 - Muhammad conquers Mecca.
630 - Battle of Hunsin.
630 - Battle of Tabuk
632 - Muhammad dies.
632 - Abu-Bakr, Muhammads father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to enforce Islam in Arabia.
633 - Battle at Oman
633 - Battle at Hadramaut.
633 - Battle of Kazima
633 - Battle of Walaja
633 - Battle of Ulleis
633 - Battle of Anbar
634 - Battle of Basra,
634 - Battle of Damascus
634 - Battle of Ajnadin.
634 - Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph.
634 - Battle of Namaraq
634 - Battle of Saqatia.
635 - Battle of Bridge.
635 - Battle of Buwaib.
635 - Conquest of Damascus.
635 - Battle of Fahl.
636 - Battle of Yermuk.
636 - Battle of Qadsiyia.
636 - Conquest of Madain.
637 - Battle of Jalula.
638 - Battle of Yarmouk.
638 - The Muslims defeat the Romans and enter Jerusalem.
638 - Conquest of Jazirah.
639 - Conquest of Khuizistan and movement into Egypt.
641 - Battle of Nihawand
642 - Battle of Ray in Persia
643 - Conquest of Azarbaijan
644 - Conquest of Fars
644 - Conquest of Kharan.
644 - Umar is murdered. Othman becomes the Caliph.
647 - Conquest of the island of Cypress
644 - Uman dies and is succeeded by Caliph Uthman.
648 - Campaign against the Byzantines.
651 - Naval battle against the Byzantines.
654 - Islam spreads into North Africa
656 - Uthman is murdered. Ali become Caliph.
658 - Battle of Nahrawan.
659 - Conquest of Egypt
661 - Ali is murdered.
662 - Egypt falls to Islam rule.
666 - Sicily is attacked by Muslims
677 - Siege of Constantinople
687 - Battle of Kufa
691 - Battle of Deir ul Jaliq
700 - Sufism takes root as a sect of Islam
700 - Military campaigns in North Africa
702 - Battle of Deir ul Jamira
711 - Muslims invade Gibraltar
711 - Conquest of Spain
713 - Conquest of Multan
716 - Invasion of Constantinople
732 - Battle of Tours in France.
740 - Battle of the Nobles.
741 - Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa
744 - Battle of Ain al Jurr.
746 - Battle of Rupar Thutha
748 - Battle of Rayy.
749 - Battle of lsfahan
749 - Battle of Nihawand
750 - Battle of Zab
772 - Battle of Janbi in North Africa
777 - Battle of Saragossa in Spain

All Muslims are called to violence against non-Muslims.

Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

But that is one of Mohammed's lies regarding the Gospel:
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

If you don't think Mohammed lied, show me in the Gospel where Christians are called to violence against non-Christians.
Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

......... & the verses which was talking about the jihad & killing nonmuslims was NOT meaning ALL of them It meant those who declared war on us only.

Then how do you explain Islamic conquest all the way up to France and Austria?
How do you explain over 14,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world, just since 9-11?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=731.0
 
ALL non-Muslims are enemies of Islam. No non-Muslim is considered innocent. We are in the dar el Harb.

the proof :
open The Holy Quran: sura 60,verse 8 & 9
mention it cuz I don't have the english translation of the meanings of the Quran....

Here's an online Quran with 3 English translations.
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/

060.008
YUSUFALI: Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.

060.009
YUSUFALI: Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.

The problem is that it is Islam that fought against others, not the other way around. That is still the case.
Everywhere we find murder, mayhem and misery around the world today, we find the hand of Islam.
2 million killed in the Sudan alone.

Another proof : NOW in EGYPT we have a Christian Minister of Finance HOW ??
if the ISLAM is what U say there wouldn't be peace in any country that have Muslims in their citizens is that true ??

While not official government policy, as you well know, Christians are persecuted in Egypt today.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=egypt+persecute+christians&aq=f&aqi=&oq=egypt+persecute+christians&fp=c26c79a56c95bda8

Also since Egypt is mostly Sunni (CIA world factbook - Muslim (mostly Sunni) 90%, Coptic 9%, other Christian 1%) perhaps you don't have the Sunni-Shiite targeting for murder, of each others innocent men, women and children, that you have in areas that are mixed Muslims, as you perhaps keep the Shiites oppressed.

But you seem to be forgetting that you guys went to war against Israel in 1967 and got your butts kicked. Loosing a war has a way of diminishing a nation's appetite for more war. What about Islam elsewhere in the world?

In Indonesia 3 teenage girls were beheaded on their way to their Christian school and one of their heads left on the steps of a Church.  The note left behind reads:  "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."

"Once again, women are the targets. In mid-March, rebels assaulted three women gathering firewood and cut off their ears, lips, and breasts."
"Starting in 2003, Janjaweed Arabs, a Sudan-backed militia, have driven 2 million villagers from their homes in ethnic-cleansing attacks designed to suppress local rebels."

"Eyewitness accounts detailing the militia attacks are horrifying. "They killed my 3-year-old son right in front of my eyes," one father from West Darfur said. Since last fall, women have reported more than 500 rapes. Three women said five militiamen beat and raped them last August. The women said, "After they abused us, they told us that now we would have Arab babies. And, if they would find any [more] women, they would rape them again to change the color of their children.""

AP - December 06, 2006 MOGADISHU, Somalia - "Residents of a southern Somalia town who do not pray five times a day will be beheaded, an Islamic courts official said Wednesday, adding the edict will be implemented in three days."

In the U.S. "Mo Hassan, founder of Bridges TV, a station whose mission was "fostering understanding between cultures and diverse populations," cut off the head of his wife, Aasiya Hassan, 37, who had recently filed for divorce." NBC originally reporting on it now remaining considerably silent about it. Local TV - Fox - more

"Rand Abdel-Qader, 17, was killed by her father after falling in love with a British soldier"
Though she had no sexual relations with the man, she told a girlfriend she was in love with him. When her father found out he threw her down, stood on her neck and started to stab her to death. Her brothers came running to help, but when their father told them what he found out, they helped him kill her.
     That was just one of over 81 women "honor" killed in Basra for the year, by November 2008.
Honor killings Islam

Peace in Egypt is tenuous at best as you well know.

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Re: the religion of peace
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2010, 07:11:48 AM »
& I want u to watch this video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH-lJMXS-zU
& another thing :
Do u know what is the meaning of the Muslim greeting : alsalam alaykom ?
It means PEACE be upon u
& thanks
That is a typical Muslim to Muslim greeting. But as the historical record, and Islam around the world today attest, it is hypocrisy when used as a greeting with non-Muslims. Don't you think Osama bin Ladin, and all the murderous Muslims engaged in this Second Islamic Jihad, greet the same way? It's obviously nothing more than lip service. Saying and doing are two different things.

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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2010, 09:49:53 AM »
all what can I say now that MANY MANY muslims now don't represent the ISLAM

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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2010, 04:08:35 PM »
all what can I say now that MANY MANY muslims now don't represent the ISLAM
But it is the true, and fundamental Muslims, that are fighting against non-Muslims. They are doing exactly what the false prophet Mohammed did. Muslims are called to violence against others. Didn't you read my post at all? Perhaps if I break it down into sections. Then you can answer to each section. This forum is for EXCHANGE. Not you posting and leaving things unanswered as you post more.

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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2010, 04:12:38 PM »
ISLAM is NOT a war based religion.......

I'm sorry my friend but that simply isn't true.

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Islamic conquest began with Mohammed's first caravan plunder and advanced through the Islamic First Jihad all the way to Poitiers France and Vienna Austria.

623 - Battle of Waddan
623 - Battle of Safwan
623 - Battle of Dul-Ashir
624 - Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement.
624 - Zakat becomes mandatory
624 - Battle of Badr
624 - Battle of Bani Salim
624 - Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr
624 - Battle of Bani Qainuqa
624 - Battle of Sawiq
624 - Battle of Ghatfan
624 - Battle of Bahran
625 - Battle of Uhud. 70 Muslims are killed.
625 - Battle of Humra-ul-Asad
625 - Battle of Banu Nudair
625 - Battle of Dhatur-Riqa
626 - Battle of Badru-Ukhra
626 - Battle of Dumatul-Jandal
626 - Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah
627 - Battle of the Trench
627 - Battle of Ahzab
627 - Battle of Bani Quraiza
627 - Battle of Bani Lahyan
627 - Battle of Ghaiba
627 - Battle of Khaibar
628 - Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish.
630 - Muhammad conquers Mecca.
630 - Battle of Hunsin.
630 - Battle of Tabuk
632 - Muhammad dies.
632 - Abu-Bakr, Muhammads father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to enforce Islam in Arabia.
633 - Battle at Oman
633 - Battle at Hadramaut.
633 - Battle of Kazima
633 - Battle of Walaja
633 - Battle of Ulleis
633 - Battle of Anbar
634 - Battle of Basra,
634 - Battle of Damascus
634 - Battle of Ajnadin.
634 - Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph.
634 - Battle of Namaraq
634 - Battle of Saqatia.
635 - Battle of Bridge.
635 - Battle of Buwaib.
635 - Conquest of Damascus.
635 - Battle of Fahl.
636 - Battle of Yermuk.
636 - Battle of Qadsiyia.
636 - Conquest of Madain.
637 - Battle of Jalula.
638 - Battle of Yarmouk.
638 - The Muslims defeat the Romans and enter Jerusalem.
638 - Conquest of Jazirah.
639 - Conquest of Khuizistan and movement into Egypt.
641 - Battle of Nihawand
642 - Battle of Ray in Persia
643 - Conquest of Azarbaijan
644 - Conquest of Fars
644 - Conquest of Kharan.
644 - Umar is murdered. Othman becomes the Caliph.
647 - Conquest of the island of Cypress
644 - Uman dies and is succeeded by Caliph Uthman.
648 - Campaign against the Byzantines.
651 - Naval battle against the Byzantines.
654 - Islam spreads into North Africa
656 - Uthman is murdered. Ali become Caliph.
658 - Battle of Nahrawan.
659 - Conquest of Egypt
661 - Ali is murdered.
662 - Egypt falls to Islam rule.
666 - Sicily is attacked by Muslims
677 - Siege of Constantinople
687 - Battle of Kufa
691 - Battle of Deir ul Jaliq
700 - Sufism takes root as a sect of Islam
700 - Military campaigns in North Africa
702 - Battle of Deir ul Jamira
711 - Muslims invade Gibraltar
711 - Conquest of Spain
713 - Conquest of Multan
716 - Invasion of Constantinople
732 - Battle of Tours in France.
740 - Battle of the Nobles.
741 - Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa
744 - Battle of Ain al Jurr.
746 - Battle of Rupar Thutha
748 - Battle of Rayy.
749 - Battle of lsfahan
749 - Battle of Nihawand
750 - Battle of Zab
772 - Battle of Janbi in North Africa
777 - Battle of Saragossa in Spain

All Muslims are called to violence against non-Muslims.

Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

But that is, of course, one of Mohammed's lies regarding the Gospel:
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

If you don't think Mohammed lied, show me in the Gospel where Christians are called to violence against non-Christians.
Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2010, 04:13:41 PM »
......... & the verses which was talking about the jihad & killing nonmuslims was NOT meaning ALL of them It meant those who declared war on us only.

Then how do you explain the imperialistic Islamic conquest all the way up to France and Austria of the Islamic First Jihad?
How do you explain over 14,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world, just since 9-11?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=731.0

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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2010, 04:16:20 PM »
the proof :
open The Holy Quran: sura 60,verse 8 & 9
mention it cuz I don't have the english translation of the meanings of the Quran....

Here's an online Quran with 3 English translations.
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/

060.008
YUSUFALI: Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.

060.009
YUSUFALI: Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.

The problem is that it is Islam that fought against others, not the other way around. That is still the case.
Everywhere we find murder, mayhem and misery around the world today, we find the hand of Islam.
2 million killed in the Sudan alone.

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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2010, 04:17:49 PM »
Another proof : NOW in EGYPT we have a Christian Minister of Finance HOW ??
if the ISLAM is what U say there wouldn't be peace in any country that have Muslims in their citizens is that true ??

While not official government policy, as you well know, Christians are persecuted in Egypt today.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=egypt+persecute+christians&aq=f&aqi=&oq=egypt+persecute+christians&fp=c26c79a56c95bda8

Indeed the Egyptian government turns a blind eye to the Islamic fundamentalists that persecute Christians because they know that if they intervene they will be targeted as well.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=892.0

Here's a video of protests of Christian persecution in Egypt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HHvnBO_m2c

Also since Egypt is mostly Sunni (CIA world factbook - Muslim (mostly Sunni) 90%, Coptic 9%, other Christian 1%) perhaps you don't have the Sunni-Shiite targeting for murder, of each others innocent men, women and children, that you have in areas that are mixed Muslims, as you perhaps keep the Shiites oppressed.

But you seem to be forgetting that you guys went to war against Israel in 1967 and got your butts kicked. Loosing a war has a way of diminishing a nation's appetite for more war. What about Islam elsewhere in the world?

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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2010, 04:24:28 PM »
The religion of peace around the world.



In Indonesia 3 teenage girls were beheaded on their way to their Christian school and one of their heads left on the steps of a Church.  The note left behind reads:  "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."

"Once again, women are the targets. In mid-March, rebels assaulted three women gathering firewood and cut off their ears, lips, and breasts."
"Starting in 2003, Janjaweed Arabs, a Sudan-backed militia, have driven 2 million villagers from their homes in ethnic-cleansing attacks designed to suppress local rebels."

"Eyewitness accounts detailing the militia attacks are horrifying. "They killed my 3-year-old son right in front of my eyes," one father from West Darfur said. Since last fall, women have reported more than 500 rapes. Three women said five militiamen beat and raped them last August. The women said, "After they abused us, they told us that now we would have Arab babies. And, if they would find any [more] women, they would rape them again to change the color of their children.""

AP - December 06, 2006 MOGADISHU, Somalia - "Residents of a southern Somalia town who do not pray five times a day will be beheaded, an Islamic courts official said Wednesday, adding the edict will be implemented in three days."

In the U.S. "Mo Hassan, founder of Bridges TV, a station whose mission was "fostering understanding between cultures and diverse populations," cut off the head of his wife, Aasiya Hassan, 37, who had recently filed for divorce." NBC originally reporting on it now remaining considerably silent about it. Local TV - Fox - more

"Rand Abdel-Qader, 17, was killed by her father after falling in love with a British soldier"
Though she had no sexual relations with the man, she told a girlfriend she was in love with him. When her father found out he threw her down, stood on her neck and started to stab her to death. Her brothers came running to help, but when their father told them what he found out, they helped him kill her.
     That was just one of over 81 women "honor" killed in Basra for the year, by November 2008.
Honor killings Islam

Peace in Egypt is tenuous at best as you well know.