extension channel chat beholderGuard, friendofutube2009, (and others)

[Peter]

PeteWaldo (1 day ago)

"...who is the CREATOR Jesus or ALLAH?"
We can be fully confident that is wasn't the moon god stone idol allah, that Muslims bow to and circumambulate like the pagans before Mohammed did, and for 1400 years after.

John 1:1 In the beginning was? the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm


PeteWaldo (1 day ago)

To my Christian friends, isn't that funny? The only historical or archaeological evidence Muslims bring, to show that Mecca was the center of Islam for the 1500 years before Mohammed, is a single 18th century author's misunderstanding of an early writer, who actually wrote about one of the many Kaabas in Arabia - that one being a temple close to Ilat in the Aqaba gulf area belonging to a tribe called Batmizomaneis. Even Mohammed's own tribe the Quraish went on pilgrimage twice a year, demonstrating the insignificance of the Kaaba in Mecca.
Please view the links in this video "more info" section for much more.
watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE?


PeteWaldo (1 day ago)

"Ibn Abbas, the cousin of Mohammed, and one of the reporters of the tradition of Mohammed, called Hadith, speaks of two pilgrimages of the Quraish tribe. One of the journeys was to the city of Taif.[1]

At Taif there was also a temple called? Kaabah of Ellat, or Kaabah of the Sun. This Kaabah was more significant and much older than the Kaabah of Mecca. All Arabs, including the tribe of Quraish from which Mohammed came, venerated this Kaabah. The Kaabah of Taif was identical? to the Kaabah of Mecca, and it had the same religious functions."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE


PeteWaldo (23 hours ago)

Here are the Arabian deities and worship that Gibbons describes in that same passage
".... of blind mythology of barbarians - of the local deities, of the stars, the air, and the earth, of their sex or titles, their attributes or subordination...."
There were lots of Kaabas for Arabian Star Family worship and lots of black stones representing their moon god "allah".
The moon god rock Muslims bow toward and circumambulate today, is just one, of the very same ones, that the pagans circumambulated before Mohammed, and in the case of this one, for 1400 years after.
To understand Gibbons careless geographical error, it is explored in great detail here
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1121.0

[Peter]

friendofutube2009 (6 hours ago)

PaulineWaldo: You did NOT refute archaeological and Biblical evidence that Mecca exist. WHY? Here are other proofs from your Bible. Paran is Mecca (Gen 21:21). Jacob on his way to Padan aram saw a vision & built next morning pillar of stone which he called Beth El meaning House of the Lord (Gen 28:18-19). Similar to Beit Allah (House of God). In Gen 35:4, 14-15, Jacob was ordered by God years later to go to Bethel El and remove idols or strange gods. Sound similar to Muhammed (pbuh) removing 360 idols in Beit Allah? Another pillar and stone was built by Jacob & father-in-law Laban (Gen 31:45-49).


friendofutube2009 (6 hours ago)

PaulineWaldo: Forget about Gibbons for argument sake. But refute the archaeological and Biblical evidence that I provided which is staring at your face right now. Which is more important to you? Gibbons or your Bible?

And for God's sake, do not monopolize this exchange! Be brave enough to prove that the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit is not pagan and taught by Jesus & OT prophets, do the Biblical test in Mark 16:17, explain worshiping of wall and the Roman soldier.


 friendofutube2009  (46 minutes ago)

John 1:1 is NOT from the lips of Jesus. There is even a sinister pagan mistranslation of the Greek original M/S. The 1st mention of the word "GOD" is HOTHEOS (God, capital G) correctly translated as "God" but mistranslated as "god" (small g) in 2Cor4:4 since it refers to Satan. The 2nd occurence of "GOD" is TONTHEOS or "god" (small g) but wrongly translated as "God" (capital G) to support deification of Jesus. Even your Bible LIES as your are doing with Islam - LIES!

In other words, Jesus in John 1:1 is NOT God and cannot even create a fly by his saying: "I can of mine own self do nothing" - John 5:30

[Peter]

PeteWaldo (17 hours ago)

By the way, np, that Mohammedanism is nothing more than repackaged pagan moon god worship, is also evidenced by the crescent moons on the tops of your temples, crescent moons on Muslim flags, fast during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky, and even your declaration below that gives it away.
While the favorite scream of Mohammedan suicide murderers, and also uttered by you, ALLAHU AKBAR, as you and I well know, means "Allah is the greatEST". That is Mohammed's declaration, as well as centuries of moon god worshippers belief, that the moon god was the most powerful of all of the pagan gods.


PeteWaldo (17 hours ago)

"The stone was considered the main shrine, or sacred element, in each temple, called Kaabah in Arabic. This revered stone, which represented the moon, was considered to be divine. The worship of the Arabian Star Family with Allah, who was the moon as its head, revolved around the black stone. Ellat, Allahs wife, was the sun, and al-'Uzza and Manat, his daughters, represented two planets."
watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE

Our Muslim friends should recognize those names from
Surah 53:18-20 "For truly did he see, the signs of his Lord, the greatest! Have ye seen Lat, and Uzza, and another, the third [goddess] Manat?
In other words Mohammed kept the moon god allah, and the black stone idol that represented him, and threw the rest of allah's family out.


PeteWaldo (17 hours ago)

For my Christian friends, we really have to feel sorry for these poor folks in light of what what they have have now learned. Put yourself in their shoes.
What if you had just learned, that there was not a shred of historical or archaeological evidence, that demonstrates that Jerusalem ever existed, before the 4th century AD?
Well they have now learned that Mecca did not exist before the 4th century AD, and certainly not before the Christian era, and so everything they believe has just gone up in smoke through that one simple MATTER OF FACT.
We should hardly be surprised that their wheels are spinning off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE
Also I uploaded a free PDF tract that summarizes this subject. Click the link on the video or use this
http://www.petewaldo.com/m20.pdf

[Peter]

waqaralisial (3 hours ago)

As-Salaam Alaikum Ramatullhi wa-Baraktuhu (Peace, Mercy and Blessing of Allah Subhan-o-Tallah be upon you).

Dear Brother Are you a Crazy?
You said that i offered no historical or geographical information that attests that Mecca, or the Kaaba, existed before the 4th century AD.

Brother, I think you need to see a psychiatrist! Plz Do it, Today. Let them help you figure out what is the problem with you!
'Cause thou never read my last mail carefully. I already gave you both historical and geographical information and i also quote from Bible too. But you're still saying? that Mecca, or the Kaaba, wasn't existed before the 4th century AD.I think thou are a Crazy, and you never need any historical nor geographical information But I'm sure that you need to see a good psychiatrist! And i'm certain that you'll delete my posts. Read my first mail again and you'll find all answers of your stupid questions.

Fi-Amanillah
May Allah Give you Hidayyah. Ameen

[Peter]

friendofutube2009 (2 hours ago)

PaulineWaldo: In a court of law, if you cannot refute the evidence provided then the case is CLOSED: I WON! You NEVER EVER refuted the evidence that I provided that Mecca existed as found in your Bible! Mecca as found in your Bible is south of Mt Sinai and today's Christian archaeologists have established beyond any shadow of doubt that Mt. Sinai is north of Mecca. PERIOD! So stop YOUR LIES!

But you still cling to Gibbons as your evidence! Assuming that Gibbons is wrong, you have to refute the most reliable evidence that you have: your Bible and Christian archaeologists! Which has more weight to you and whom do you believe Gibbons or your Bible? Look visitors, PaganWaldo, DOES NOT TRUST HIS BIBLE! He is blaspheming against his Lord.

I leave it to you to decide for yourself based on the evidence provided.

   
friendofutube2009 (2 hours ago)

To all visitors: The case on Mecca is closed. Mecca existed before 4th century as found in the Bible and confirmed today by Christian archaeologists. See my previous posts for the details. Now PaganWaldo, let us go back to business and STOP escaping from the following:

(1) Prove that the Trinity is NOT pagan and taught by Jesus and other OT prophets
(2) Prove your belief is SOLID by making a video of yourself drinking 1 glass of ARSENIC ACID (Mark 16:17)
(3) Explain the wall worship
(4) Explain Roman soldier Pantera

[Peter]

PeteWaldo (1 hour ago)

"'Cause thou never read my last mail carefully. I already gave you both historical and geographical information and i also quote from Bible too. But you're still saying that Mecca, or the Kaaba, wasn't existed before the 4th century AD."

Calling people names isn't going to magically create some instant history of Mecca. Throughout your comments you only relied on false presumptions from scripture. Why is there no HISTORICAL or ARCHAEOLOGICAL record of Mecca ever having existed before the 4th century AD?
If Mecca had been the center of Islam for 1500 years before Mohammed, it would be as historically referenced, and as choked with ancient artifacts as Jerusalem. The reason there ARE NONE, is because Mecca did not exist before the 4th century AD. Please read the links that are attached to the video. Please come to the forum where we have some room to comment. If you are too afraid to come to the forum to defend your case, then who might be presumed crazy?
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php


PeteWaldo (40 minutes ago)

...the black stone, which was the main element of worship in all Kaabahs of Arabia, was brought [to Mecca] from another area most probable Yemen toward the end of the 5th century A.D.

Asad Abu Karb was the True Builder of Kaabah in the Beginning of the 5th century A.D.

It is said that prior to the construction of the Kaabah, a tent existed on the spot where it was built.[ii][2] The tribe of Khuzaa'h came from Yemen around the 2nd century A.D. In the 4th century A.D., they moved toward the area where Mecca was eventually built. Since they didnt find a temple there in which to worship, they pitched their tent in a field.


PeteWaldo (16 seconds ago)

I? see from your channel that you don't receive channel comments, yet you still feel at liberty to post on others channels. That's almost as bad as cowards like friendofutube2009 who censor comments from their channels, thereby displaying a sociopathic and reprobate nature, manifest in zero consideration whatsoever for the time another person spent composing a comment. He's still too cowardly to join the forum, even though I spent a day answering a very lengthy 3 page PM.
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=32.0
Blessedly hundreds of people - some genuinely seeking truth - have had the benefit of reading his comments and my responses to them.


PeteWaldo (5 seconds ago)

I also see you are one of Ahmed Deedat's poor deluded victims. I can help you overcome that. I will send you a video, or click on the video at the top of the list in the upper right of this page.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDslsWDzPIc

Come join us in the forum clicking the link under the ALL CAPS request in the upper left. 7 of the top 9 volume posters in the forum are Muslims so you don't need to be afraid.

[Peter]

   
friendofutube2009 (1 hour ago)

To all visitors and waqaralisial: The case on Mecca is closed. As usual in his diversionary tactic, PaulineWaldo clutching a straw by mentioning the late Sh Deedat, censorship, etc. Now, like a broken record, he wants to play it again and again even to "waqaralisial". Up to now, he has been escaping from the points he has to face HEAD-ON, not BUTTOCK-ON:

(1) PROVE to the world that TRINITY is not pagan and taught by Jesus (pbuh) and other OT prophets
(2) PROVE to the world your belief by drinking 1 glass of ARSENIC ACID as in Mark 16:17-18
(3) EXPLAIN why the wailing wall is worshiped
(4) EXPLAIN the Roman soldier Pantera and his son Bin Pantera

If you are really that SURE of your belief, then you CANNOT help but do the ABOVE! Awaiting your response and NOT another digression tactic like the late Sh Deedat and censorship!

[Peter]

MrGriegos (19 minutes ago)

@friendofyoutube2009,

You can't go on someone else's channel and declare an issue closed if they do not consider that issue over.

You Muslims have the audacity to impose your parameters on debates, especially when you are losing.

[Peter]

TheRealLampPost (21 minutes ago)

Hi there
why do you insist on worshiping Jesus while Jesus asked you to worship God ONLY?

[Peter]

PeteWaldo (46 minutes ago)

Hello MrGriegos. As you know I of course answered to all of friends points repeatedly, and in over 60 panels in the forum.
http://petewaldo.com/index.?php?board=32.0
But he seems to be eclipsing the spirit of antichrist that fills him, and demonstrating something more of demonic possession. I have found that ignoring atheists and such that reveal themselves that way is generally the best course of action.


PeteWaldo (9 minutes ago)

For example, his new blasphemy regards Pantera.
What about Pantera? (Wikipedia) "The alleged connection to Jesus derives from the interpretation of a single statement by Celsus, an anti-Christian Greek philosopher quoted by Origen in Contra Celsum. According to Origen, Celsus wrote:
"when she (Mary) was pregnant she was turned out of doors by the carpenter to? whom she had been betrothed, as having been guilty of adultery, and that she bore a child to a certain soldier named Panthera."

Is that what Islam teaches about Mary? Of course not. We can see that friendofutube2009 is no more Muslim than an atheist. Even far worse. The demons that possess him cause him to hate God, as revealed through His Word, and to love the father of lies.

   
PeteWaldo (9 minutes ago)

Hi TheRealLampPost,
If your question is sincere, please come join me in the forum where we have unlimited characters and can post live links, and quote each other and such. If you like I can dedicate a thread to just you and I. There is no censorship there (except pornographers and such). Please click on the link after the ALL CAPS invitation at the upper left "profile" section of this channel page and let's explore your question sincerely, and in depth.

[Peter]

mattmadla
   
mattmadla (1 day ago)
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Read Dr. David Wood's article, "Deceptive God,? Incompetent Messiah". He brings to the table the most damning evidence against islam, in which no muslim to date, at least on Youtube and in the world of scholars, has been able to refute.
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mattmadla (1 day ago)
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In spite of the damning evidence on the contrary to everything about islam, from history and archeology. In order to be a Muslim, you must take a circular saw, cut open your skull, and? throw your brain in the garbage.
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mattmadla (1 day ago)
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The Quran does not allow Muslims to think on their own behalf.?
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mattmadla (1 day ago)
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Brother, Dabo? is unable to think with a rational mind.

[Peter]

PeteWaldo
   
PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
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No Muslim can take issue with a single characterization of Mohammed that I detailed above because they are supported? BY THEIR OWN BOOKS, as detailed here
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=336.0
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PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
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"He brings to the table the most damning evidence against islam..."

I'm not so sure about that. All of the arguments against Islam become moot, once we realize that Mecca did not even exist before the 4th century AD. There is no sense in arguing against a religion? that is A HISTORICAL IMPOSSIBILITY, and that was demonstrably AS A MATTER OF FACT invented by A SINGLE, 7th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, prisoner raping, stepson's only wife stealing, sex slave prostituting, concubine fornicating, lying, cheating, blood drenched, imperialistic, conquering, terrorist, thief. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament."
Please come join us in the forum bro.
brotherpete. com/index. php
PeteWaldo
   
PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
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Thanks very much mattmadla. I will check Dr. Wood? out now.
PeteWaldo
   
PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
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"i wish your discussion will be based on evidences either from Quran or the Bible."
They always are. Please join me in the forum. I don't bite.
brotherpete. com/index. php

"i'm waiting your answer for my previous question."
Do you see what you did? You claimed you needed more space, and then asked a question that needs a lot of space to answer, but expect your question to be answered? in 500 characters. Want a one line explanation?

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH.
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PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
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TheRealLampPost said "Hi there, i've just visited the link you sent me. it sounds a little bit complicated to discuss there."
Then? please join me in the forum as I requested. If you like I can dedicate a thread to just you and I with nobody else interrupting.
brotherpete. com/index. php

"anyway, you posted some comments at TRLP that i found pointless, because you didn't send any proof from Quran. All you said was assumptions."
But that's false, because they are simple matters of historical and archaeological fact.

[Peter]

friendofutube2009
   
friendofutube2009 (1 day ago)
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Is Jesus (pbuh) really "the only begotten of the Father" as claimed by PaulineWaldo? Let the Bible speak for itself.

His genealogy according to Matthew 1:16 says "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.". His genealogy? according to Luke 3:23 "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,". BTW, the phrase "(as was supposed)" is NOT in the most ancient M/S. So in Luke it should read: "being the son of Joseph" sans the braces.

QUESTION: Where is the Father then who begat Jesus (pbuh) in both genealogies?

[Peter]

   
friendofutube2009 (1 day ago)
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To all:

It seems that the owner of this channel is not a human but a robotic machine with auto response. His answer is always the same and? stale. If there is a human behind it, the following has been waiting for any answer, PLEASE I AM DESPERATE:

(1) PROVE to the world that TRINITY is not pagan and taught by Jesus (pbuh) and other OT prophets
(2) PROVE to the world your belief by drinking 1 glass of ARSENIC ACID as in Mark 16:17-18
(3) EXPLAIN why the wailing wall is worshiped

If you are really that SURE of your belief, then you CANNOT help but do the ABOVE!

[Peter]

PeteWaldo
   
PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
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brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=1043.msg4077#msg4077
brotherpete.? com/index. php?topic=1071.30
en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Western_Wall

[Peter]

friendofutube2009
   
friendofutube2009 (1 day ago)
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PaulineWaldo:

You are not only a machine but possesses URL redirect sickness. URL=You are LAME or You are LIAR. Whichever does not mean good for you empty brain!

For Trinity - copy and paste it here
For Mark 16:17-18 - I? will accept a URL of your Youtube video drinking ARSENIC ACID
For Wall Worship - copy and paste it here.

Is that asking too much?

[Peter]

PeteWaldo
   
PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
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Even though the complete absence of any historical or archaeological record of Mecca ever having existed, before the pagans built Mecca in the 4th century and their Kaaba in the 5th century, proving that Mohammedanism is IN FACT nothing more than a foolish fraud, Mohammedans still reject ALL of the prophets and witnesses of the 1600 year record of God to mankind, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years, to instead follow the 23 year, 7th century record,? of A SINGLE, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, prisoner raping, stepson's only wife stealing, sex slave prostituting, concubine fornicating, lying, cheating, blood drenched, imperialistic, conquering, terrorist, thief. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ as revealed in the New Testament. Isn't that peculiar?
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PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
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1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave? OF HIS SON.

[Peter]

friendofutube2009
   
friendofutube2009 (1 day ago)
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"There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world today that reject the Word of God." - PeteWaldo.

If the Word of God is: (1) Daughters F***ing father (Gen 19:30-38), (2) Death for hitting dad? (Exodus 21:15),
(3) Drinking arsenic acid is OK (Mark 16:17-18), (4) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Matthew 10:34), THEN MUSLIMS REJECT IT.

If the Word of God is: ONE God (Shema Deut 6:4, Mark 12:29-30), NO pork eating (Deut 14:, prayer and fasting (Mark 9:29, Matt 17:21), salvation is doing good deeds (Matt 5:20), THEN THE MUSLIMS DO NOT REJECT IT!

[Peter]

PeteWaldo
   
PeteWaldo (23 hours ago)
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watch?v=gDbzOLTt6hg??
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PeteWaldo (23 hours ago)
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Salat is pure unadulterated paganism.

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain? repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.


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PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
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Tragically Muslims MUST REJECT ALL? of the prophets and witnesses as revealed through God's 1600 year record, to bow toward and circumambulate the pagan moon god stone idol, that the pagans bowed toward and circumambulated, before Mohammed.
Thus Mohammedanism is nothing more than repackaged pagan moon god worship, which is also evidenced by the crescent moons on the tops of their mosques, crescent moons on Muslim flags, and fasting during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky. Even the favorite scream of Mohammedan suicide murderers "ALLAHU AKBAR" gives it away.
As the Muslims well know, ALLAHU AKBAR means "Allah is the greatEST". That was Mohammed's declaration, as well as centuries of Arabic moon god worshippers belief that the moon god was the most powerful of all of their pagan gods.

[Peter]

BeholderGuard
   
BeholderGuard (23 hours ago)
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Besm Ellah El Rahman El Raheem
PeteWaldoHypocriteInfidel
I have refuted your silly Kaaba VIdeo with real facts and proof from the Bible AND the? Qur'an AND other reliable outside sources. Now kindly go dig a hole and stay in it.
And now it is YOUR TURN to go make a video of yourself drinking poison to prove that the Bible is the word of God (lol)

[Peter]

PeteWaldo
   
PeteWaldo (15 hours ago)
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Even though the complete absence of any historical or archaeological record of Mecca ever having existed, before the pagans built Mecca in the 4th century, and their? Kaaba in the 5th century, proving that Mohammedanism is IN FACT nothing more than a foolish fraud, Mohammedans still reject ALL of the prophets and witnesses of the 1600 year record of God to mankind, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years, to instead follow the 23 year, 7th century record, of A SINGLE, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, prisoner raping, stepson's only wife stealing, sex slave prostituting, concubine fornicating, lying, cheating, blood drenched, imperialistic, conquering, terrorist, thief. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ as revealed in the New Testament.? Isn't that peculiar?
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PeteWaldo (15 hours ago)
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How come you're so? silent on my video now, BeholderGuard?
watch?v=O4ZAH6r8vHg
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PeteWaldo (17 hours ago)
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I just devoted a new forum category to this subject and I want?? to thank everyone for helping out. Please? come join us.
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=56.0
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PeteWaldo (18 hours ago)
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Isn't that typical.? I had several comments on BeholderGuard's video and MrGriegos? had a couple too. They so? demonstrated BeholderGuard's video foolishness that he was compelled to erase the comments. That's the trouble with truth for Muslims.? The only defense liars have against truth is to erase it.? Same reason bibles are banned in Muslim countries.
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PeteWaldo (19 hours ago)
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Here's another good Kaaba? video
watch?v=Vpl4Q7Ul_wo?
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PeteWaldo (20 hours ago)
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For my Christian friends,? we really have to feel? sorry for these poor folks in light of what what they have have now learned. Put yourself in their shoes.
What if you had just learned, that there was not a shred? of historical or archaeological evidence, that demonstrates that Jerusalem ever existed, before the 4th century AD?
Well they have now learned that Mecca did not exist before the 4th century AD, and certainly not before the Christian era, and? so everything they believe has just gone up in smoke through that one simple MATTER OF FACT.
We should hardly be surprised that their wheels are spinning off!
watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE
Here's? a link to a free PDF tract that summarizes this subject. Click the link on the video or use this
brotherpete. com/m20. pdf

[Peter]

friendofutube2009
   
friendofutube2009 (4 hours ago)
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PaganWaldo: Your twisted mind is hopelessly stuck on your historical evidence. Your OWN Bible SHOUTS to you that Mecca exist! Hearing you hear not, seeing you see not (Mark 4:12)

ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE: Today, Christian? archeologists proved from the Bible that Mecca does exist south of Mt. Sinai. Google "the search for the real mt sinai" and see the video.

BIBLICAL EVIDENCE: Desert of Paran is Mecca (Gen 21:19-22) where Abraham sent Hagar & Ishmael. Paran is south of Mt Sinai (Deut 33:2). Google "The teaching of Paul is so clear, that we could locate Mt. Sinai".

Paul confirms Mecca in Gal 4:25. Why do you need historical evidence? Isn't your Bible reliable enough?


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friendofutube2009 (5 hours ago)
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Why would Jesus (pbuh) tell Pauline Christians "And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, ye that work iniquity" - Matt 7:23? Why is he loaded with some strong emotion in this statement?

Reason? Because? they work INIQUITY! The Greek word ANOMIA is mistranslated as INIQUITY or LAWLESSNES in some Bible versions. In Greek, "A" is negation while NOMIA means LAW, here Jesus (pbuh) is referring to the TORAH and not just any law because in Matt 5:17 he said he will not destroy the Torah!

So "NEGATOR OF THE TORAH", hence destroyer, is the correct translation which explains clearly why Jesus (pbuh) is displaying strong emotion on those people.

[Peter]

PeteWaldo
   
PeteWaldo (2 hours ago)
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For my Christian friends,? we really have to feel? sorry for these poor folks in light of what what they have have now learned. Put yourself in their shoes.
What if you? had just learned, that there was not a shred? of historical or archaeological evidence, that demonstrates that Jerusalem ever existed, before the 4th century AD?
Well they have now learned that Mecca did not exist before the 4th century AD, and certainly not before the Christian era, and? so everything they believe has just gone up in smoke through that one simple MATTER OF FACT.
We should hardly be surprised that their wheels are spinning off!
watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE
Here's a link to a? free PDF tract that summarizes this subject. Click the link on the video or use this
brotherpete. com/m20. pdf
PeteWaldo
   
PeteWaldo (2 hours ago)
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Tragically Muslims MUST REJECT ALL of the prophets and witnesses as revealed through God's 1600 year record, to bow toward and circumambulate the pagan moon god stone idol, that the pagans bowed toward and circumambulated, before Mohammed.
Thus Mohammedanism is nothing more than repackaged pagan moon god worship, which is also evidenced by the crescent moons on the tops of their mosques, crescent moons on Muslim flags, and fasting during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky. Even the favorite scream of Mohammedan? suicide murderers "ALLAHU AKBAR" gives it away.
As the Muslims well know, ALLAHU AKBAR means "Allah is the greatEST". That was Mohammed's declaration, as well as centuries of Arabic moon god worshippers belief that? the moon god was the most powerful of all of their pagan gods.
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PeteWaldo (2 hours ago)
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"PaganWaldo: Your twisted mind is hopelessly stuck on your historical evidence..."

That's because it? demonstrated CONCLUSIVELY that Mecca never existed until the immigrants from Yemen built it in the 4th century, and the Kaaba didn't exist until it was built in the 5th century for pagan Star Family worship.
This means, of course, that EVERYTHING MOHAMMEDANS BELIEVE, is a MATTER OF FACT demonstrable lie - A RIDICULOUS FARCE. Even the nonsense you are trying to peddle now about it being in the bible was thoroughly refuted on BeholderGuard's video. That's why he had to remove my comments. He even makes accusation of censorship of others, when he, just like you, are the lying censors that can't stand in the light of truth.
I am not called to respond further to such an unregenerate as yourself as I already explained.
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"I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME ... Reason? Because they work INIQUITY!"

Quoting friendofutube2009

"IslamicTerd: Been wondering why is your head tilting a little bit? I asked experts and they say IT is caused by sucking big and long possibly 2-feet cock of horses in the filthy ghettos of NY!

I like to opine? otherwise but I think with your bad breath coming from your stinking? mouth full of venereal germs remnant of your dick sucking, I cannot help but agree..."

[Peter]

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Besm Ellah El Rahman El Raheem
I have a ***BIBLE*** challenge for you: Jesus Christ says, in the Gosper of Mark, Chapter 16:16 "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned. (17) Believers will be given the power to perform miracles: they will drive out demons in my name; they will speak in strange tongues; (18) if? they pick up snakes or drink any poison, they will not be harmed; they will place their hands on sick people, who will get well"
Ok....Now I ask you as a Christian believer to prove this to me by making a video of yourself performing all these miracles. Have fun

[Peter]

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friendofutube2009 (1 hour ago)
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PaganWaldo: You are just an empty brain machine being operated behind the scene by a team of Jewish-paid anti-Islamists. Your answer to my DEPART FROM ME is like HEAVEN and the EARTH? What does it have to with my answer to IslamicTerd? If you cannot reply to it, just ignore it and keep silent.

I don't even see your reply as sarcasm or mockery. Your way replying confirms ONE THING: you cannot refute all the THINGS that I am throwing you. Reason? You are holding the FALSE teaching of Paul and you and your team are thumb sucking it as teaching of Jesus (pbuh). When he comes back, he will indeed tell you: DEPART FROM ME PETEWALDO YOU DESTROYER OF THE TORAH!

Satan is awaiting you in the? deepest dungeon of H-E-L-L!