Conversation between Pete and TB

[Pete]

PeteWaldo (1 month ago)
Even with 12,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world just since 9-11 and 2 million slain in the Sudan alone, or the slaughter of the Islamic first jihad or this second, you can't see the fruit of Islam.
With Sunni and Shiite slaughter of each other's innocent men, women and children, you still can't see.
In spite of this 1400 year grotesque witness against rotted fruit, you believe that pigging out before dawn, not eating all day, and then pigging out after sunset, is somehow fruit.

Ex (4 weeks ago)
Actually Islam no more supports terrorism than Christianity supports the gun which was invented by a Christian or the atomic bomb which was invented by a jew.

PeteWaldo (4 weeks ago)
That's ridiculous. Islam IS terrorism. Has always been about imperialistic conquest and control.

Christianity:
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Islam:
Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Simply because they are unbelievers.

PeteWaldo (4 weeks ago)
The atom bomb is instructive. Japan under Hirohito, suffered under the same delusion that Islam does. That they are doing God's work, when they were doing satan's.
Japan engaged in bloody imperialistic conquest, just like the 1400 years of Islam, demanded by the Quran.

What did the U.S. do with the bomb? It ended a war perpetrated by the same kind of evil as Islam, saving millions of lives.
We then wrote a constitution for Japan that has allowed them to enjoy peace and prosperity ever since.

TB (1 week ago)
Japan already stopped WW2.

They already said that they would not take part any more.

Yet America still bombed 200 000 innocent civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

They also killed 500 000 Iraqi CHILDREN by imposing sanctions in the 90s.

America is the accursed nation that will take over the world in the end of times, as the Bible mentions.

America is a sick and adulterous nation that does the exact opposite of what Christ taught.

KF (1 week ago)
if you are a real man, tell me the truth when i ask . .
DID YOU F....N READ THE QURAAN?
you cant quote from something that you dont know sh.t about
guessing im going to get some whack ass comment saying"i don't need to read it, i already know it is evil"
Like who the f..k are you to say that "Islam IS terrorism" when you dont know sh.t

PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
Intelligent, articulate, and a sign of good breeding!

You see, the 23 year record of the Quran is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the way that God chose to reveal Himself over the 1600 year record that He gave us through His prophets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swKU22q73mk

TB (1 week ago)
Surah al-Anfal 8:12 only refers to the desbelievers at the Battle of Bedr.

Go to Osama bin Laden and tell him you love him.

The bastard will rip your head off and start stepping on it.

I wonder if the whole world can love their enemies.

They can't.

Love for enemies is weak and pathetic and leads to enemies killing you and winning over you.

You must kill the mischief makers and terrorists instead of loving them.

PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
"Love for enemies is weak and pathetic and leads to enemies killing you and winning over you."

That is satan speaking through you my friend. Islam is carnal, about winning the kingdoms of this world. antichrist. The kingdoms of this world are satan's legal possession ever since Adam's fall. You are concerned about death in this world, as if it matters.

No, my friend, it is the eternal death that should concern you.
For Christians:

Phl 1:21 For to me to live [is] Christ, and to die [is] gain.

TB (1 week ago)
If your enemy raped your mum, what would you do?

Love him.

He would continue.

Hitler killed 6 million Jews.

What do we do? Love him.

No. We take action.

Surah an-Nisa 4:91 allows Muslims to take action only against oppressors, whether the oppressors are Muslims or non-Muslims.

KF (1 week ago)
let me ask you something . .
was hitler a muslim?
was mussolini a muslim?
was stalin a muslim?
those men killed millions of people and none were muslim

you can name alqaeda
the taliban
binladen

but non killed more than any of them three
so in reality, if you tally up the number of casualties caused by each religion, hitler alone would have more than all of the so called "muslim terrorist groups"

you really dont know anything do you PeteWaldo
you are just an ignorant person

PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
Sometimes Muslims try to find comfort by pretending that non-Muslim=Christianity, but that's silly.

John 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Hitler, Mussolini and the Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem were peas in a pod. Shoulder to shoulder in genocide of Jews. There were even 2 Islamic Nazi panzer divisions. That's because Islam and Hitler had the exact same goal. Islam's goal for 1400 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZHWhsc7wvg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhbHVEGnYD8

TB (1 week ago)
Not once in 1400 years have Muslims tried to commit genocide against the Jews.

But the Christians have done it twice:

1. When Heraclius, the emperor of Byzantium tried to massacre all the Jews in Israel and forced them to leace and go to Arabia.

2. Hitler (a Christian) who killed 6 million Jews.

Christianity has done far more killing and genocide than Islam has.

BTW, Jesus lied when he said, God makes the sun rise (Matthew 5:45) because the sun does not rise.

PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
God is about how He revealed Himself through His Word. Were the men you mention really Christians?

John 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
Mark 12:31...Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
Hitler did provide excellent insight into Islamic hatred. The Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem joined hands with Hitler in genocide of Jews. There were 2 Islamic panzer divisions in Hitler's army. It has been Islam's goal ever since the Jews rejected Mohammed's false doctrine.
Hadith: Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh servant of Allah, oh Muslim, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZHWhsc7wvg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_xHQ3lX9GE

TB (1 week ago)
The Hadith you quote is from Sahih Muslim.

This book was written over 250 years after the death of the Noble Prophet of Islam Mohammad (SAWW) and Sahih al-Bukhari as written over 200 years after the dath of the Noble Prophet Mohammad (SAWW) as well.

Therefore the only real 100% authentic source in Islam is the Noble Qur'an.

I quoted the Bible to prove that Jesus lied:

'...God makes the sun rise on the good and the bad' (Matthew 5:45)

The sun does not rise.

Therefore Jesus lied.

TB (1 week ago)
Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous... (Surah Ale Imran 3:113-115)

Not all Christians and Jews are bad but a lot of them are, according to these Noble verses.

PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
The Quran comes straight from satan, channeled through THE false prophet Mohammed. Even Mohammed admitted to satanic inspiration. He just didn't understand the extent.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Who do you suppose THE false prophet is my friend? The tooth fairy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSCCeRdTIxU

TB (1 week ago)
The false Prophet is none other than Paul.

He misguided the whole of the Jewish nation.

This video shows that Paul, the false Prophet, lived in Israel, a believing nation and thus Satan would want to misguide a believing nation.

Prophet Mohammad was sent to Arabia, where there were idol-worshipers who raped, fornicated, prostituted, killed, beat slaves, BURIED THEIR OWN DAUGHTERS.

So they were astray and already following Satan.

So why would Satan go to a nation already following him?

TB (1 week ago)
Prophet Mohammad taught us to believe in one God, to speak truth, to shelter orphans, to love our neighbours as ourselves, to give charity, to be thankful to God, to always smile and to turn away from Gods of wood and stone.

Does Satan come to a bunch of slave-beating, womanizing idolaters and teach this?

No way.

Paul is the false Prophet and Mohammad is the last messenger of God.

PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
Don't blame Christians because Mohammed lied to you about our beliefs:

Mark 12...Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord 32 ... for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

Take the $50,000 challenge, 786:
faithfreedom . org/challenge . htm

PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
That's Mark 12:29 & 32

TB (1 week ago)
Jesus knows that God is one.

He calls him OUR GOD, meaning JESUS is not God.

Their is no trinity.

Let's debate trinity right now, see if it is in the Bible and see if it is rational and is monotheistm.

Because trinity comes from Osiris, the Egyptian 3-headed God, and was formed by the Egyptian Emperor in 325 AD.

If you do not believe in trinity, we will debate something else.

TB (1 week ago)
If you do not want to debate trinity, then say:

There is only one God, and there is no such thing as trinity.

If trinity was true, Jesus would say:

HEAR O ISRAEL, THE LORD OUR GOD IS THREE.

But he said:

HEAR O ISRAEL, THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE. (Mark 12:29).

TB (1 week ago)
I know that easy challenge.

All Ali Sina does is lie.

He scarcely quotes from the Noble Qur'an and mainly quotes from Ahadith, which are unauthentic sources.

And Ali Sina asks people do donate $6 000 to his site.

How can he then afford $50 000?

He is a liar.

I don't want his dirty money, anyway.

When I am older and finish school I will meet Ali Sina's lies and make him shut down his website, by the grace of Allah.

TB (1 week ago)
Now come on:

If you believe in ONE GOD you cannot believe in the TRINITY.

Because both concepts contradict each other.

Trinity belief is polytheistic and is three Gods, not one.

That contradicts the verse you quoted Mark 12:29, where he says that OUR GOD IS ONE.

He did not say: I AM YOUR GOD.

Trinity is a lie and the word TRINITY is not found in the Bible, once.

[Pete]

PeteWaldo (5 days ago)
TB, but GOD taught Christians to believe in one God.
Mark 12...Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord 32 ... for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

TB what does Ruhullah mean?

TB (5 days ago)
The Bible teaches belief in ONE GOD.

But MOST CHRISTIANS WORSHIP 3 GODS.

The trinity is not a part of Biblical belief.

It is a man-made doctrine that originates from the Egyptian 3-headed God Osiris.



Ruhallah means the Spirit created by Allah Almighty (SWT).

That spirit is Blessed Messiah Jesus (AS).

PeteWaldo (5 days ago)
NO Christians worship 3 gods and you know that because our bible says God is one God.
Trinity is a doctrinal term.
If God had not manifest, or revealed, Himself to mankind we couldn't know He exists.
God manifest Himself through His spirit:
Gen 1:2...And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Exd 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

Do you believe Jesus WAS ONLY a spirit, while here?

TB (4 days ago)
I do not know what your question means:

"""Do you believe Jesus WAS ONLY a spirit, while here?"""

TB (4 days ago)
1) Yes he could.
2) God is omnipresent. He is everywhere. This means that he knows everything that is happening and is not literal.
3) The Spirit became flesh.
4) Yes, he came in flesh.
5) I can ask you, Who was the father and mother of Adam?

The Qur'an answers this question:

Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then He said unto him: Be! and he is. (Surah Ale-Imran 3:59)

Jesus had no father and was made like Adam.

TB (4 days ago)
So you reject the doctrine of trinity?

If so then that is a good thing.

Trinity is firstly irrational and secondly the only verse of trinity in the Bible is 1 John 5:7, which is not present in the 1952 RSV Bible, the Bible which has authority from the earliest manuscripts of the Bible written 300 years after Christ's death.

PeteWaldo (3 days ago)
8) Re trinity, I trust in God's Word.
I believe in God and His Spirit, do you?:

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And THE SPIRIT OF GOD moved upon the face of the waters.

Exodus 31:3 And I have filled him with THE SPIRIT OF GOD, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

I do not use English versions besides the KJV and TR interlinear:
beholdthebeast. com/new_age_bible_versions. htm

TB (3 days ago)
Yes I believe in God and the Holy Spirit.

Let me quote one verse about the Holy Spirit in Islam:

"They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: "The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)" (Surah al-Isra, 17:85)

In the Bible, it is called a LYING SPIRIT:

So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you. (1 Kings 22:23)

PeteWaldo (2 days ago)
"Yes I believe in God and the Holy Spirit."

If you believe in God and in His Spirit, then by the measure that Muslims apply to Christians you are a polytheist, believing in two gods. 1+1=2.
God and His Spirit are two parts of what some Christians call the "trinity".

TB (1 day ago)
Trinity is worship of 3 Gods.

Christians always give irrelevant and nonsense examples that it is like the universe. Matter, space and time are 3 seperate things that form 1 universe.

But Christians say that Jesus, the Holy Spirit and the father are all God and are 3 distinct beings.

Matter is not the universe, time is notand space is not either. They are all a part of the universe and not the whole universe.

Therefore the trinity is a polytheistic worship of 3 Gods.

PeteWaldo (1 hour ago)
TB wrote: "Trinity is worship of 3 Gods."

TB, you've already admitted to being a polytheist, if we use the same measure you apply to Christians, with your earlier admission:

TB wrote: "Yes I believe in God and the Holy Spirit."

As you would calculate for Christians: 1+1=2.
You believe in two Gods. You are a polytheist hypocrite. Let's move to the forum:
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=12.0

TB (1 hour ago)
The Hadith about the Jews needs to be read in context. This refers to the end of times and to those Jews who will follow the anti-Christ against Jesus. These are haters and mischief makers who want to fight the Muslims. We Muslims will be on the side of Jesus and will fight against these Jews, NOT ALL JEWS.

TB (1 week ago)
And don't tell me bullcrap about love.

Your book is the one that is filled with genocide and terrorism.

Your God ordered Moses and his men to kill all the BOYS, the NON-VIRGINS and to SAVE FOR THEMSELVES (RAPE) THE VIRGINS (Numbers 31:17-18)

These girls were as young as 3, according to all Bible commentaries.

In Numbers 31:40 it says that 32 of the 16 000 virgins were given to God.

Yahweh took 32 3-year old virgins.

What a pedophile God.

OG (1 week ago)
moses is in the koran too, and moses killed the bad tribes not good ppl, but mohammed for a fact we know he is a pedophile, and he killed and forced islam by going to war, and till today islam is based on war and jihad, and yes the new testament is filled with love, mohammed is from satan, cuz christ said look for the mark of the 666 then u know, mohammed came in the 6 centuary, he died at age of 63 and he is the 6th major prophet in the koran.

PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
The Submission sect weighs in on 666:
"GOD made His Messenger a witness with the letter Qaf and the number 666."

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: [Islamic Empire] for it is the number of a man; [the prophet Mohammed] and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six. [666]
watch?v=Yq9kvfhMWmo

TB (1 week ago)
Actually,

Prophet Mohammad killed only bad people.

You say Moses killed only bad people.

What bad did those boys and non-virgin women do that they had to be slaughtered and what bad did those virgins girls do that they had to be RAPED (Numbers 31:17-18).

And why did Yahweh take 32 virgins from the 16 000 (Numbers 31:40)

The message came to Prophet Mohammad in the 7th century and died at the age of 63 and was the 5th major Messenger of God in the Noble Qur'an.

You only got one right.

ilov (1 week ago)
the prophet[saw] did no such things brother..he has never harmed anyone or anything..

salam

PeteWaldo (5 days ago)
ilov, does God have a Spirit? Hint:
What does Ruhullah mean?

ilov (5 days ago)
God is one..not 3

PeteWaldo (5 days ago)
ilov3 perhaps your English reading comprehension isn't quite up to speed. What I asked you was:

"ilov3, does God have a Spirit? Hint:
What does Ruhullah mean?"

TB (5 days ago)
Ruh Allah means the spirit created by God.

Blessed Jesus is Ruh Allah.

PeteWaldo (5 days ago)
Mohammed even had the poetess Asma bint Marwan killed in her sleep as one of her 5 children lay sleeping at her breast.
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=127.0

But then poets are bad people, or at least not innocent like all other non-Muslims.

OG (1 week ago)
you talk bout how yahweh takes 32 3 old virgins haha ur religion is based on getting vrigins after blowing yourself self up and going to heaven, dang i thought you guyz will worship god and etc, but you will be too buzy with the virgins, in islam you fools have to die for your god, but our god loves us so much that he died for us, jihad, for the cause of allah go blast ur self. sick god with no love.

TB (1 week ago)
I quoted the Bible to prove that Yahweh was a sick pedophile with 32 virgins (Numbers 31:40).

Now I want you to quote the Qur'an to prove that we will get virgins after killing ourselves.

If you cannot then you have no foundation and no proof.

The man who teaches no love is Paul, when he tells men not to marry but if they cannot control their lust they should marry (1 Corinthians 7:1-2)

I think I know whose book is from Satan.

TB (1 week ago)
Jesus calls the Jews SONS OF DEVILS:

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. (John 8:44)

Where did Hitler get his influence? From Jesus in the Bible.

Your scripture is against Jews and not ours.

We are to unite and be brothers with the Jews and Christians.

That whole Jew behind a rock story is bullcrap.

TB (1 week ago)
No one listens to love crap.

Action needs to enemies winning over you.

Terrorists and rapists must be killed.

[Pete]

PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
"Where did Hitler get his influence? From Jesus in the Bible."

It would be laughable if it weren't so tragic. Having to pretending to love Jesus while you demonize Him in the same breath!

Jews didn't kill Jesus. It was the sinful nature of mankind that sacrificed Him. Yours and mine.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of THE LAMB SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
islamandthetruth . com/#gospel_of_john

TB (1 week ago)
I don't demonise the real Jesus.

I demonise the false Jesus of the Bible.

I love and obey the real Jesus in the Noble Qur'an.

You Christians made him into a false character and made fairy tales about him.

Many people will come to me on that day saying: "Lord, Lord did not we worship you and cast out devils in your name." (Matthew 7:22)

Then I will say to them: 'Away from me you evildoers, I never knew you' (Matthew 7:23).

See, you Christians who worship Jesus, he will actually rebuke you.

PeteWaldo (5 days ago)
You follow Mohammed:
John 3:16 For GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Sura 19:88 THEY SAY: (ALLAH) Most Gracious HAS BEGOTTEN A SON!" 89 Indeed YE HAVE PUT FORTH A THING MOST MONSTROUS!
Matthew 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.
Surah 4:157 That THEY SAID..."WE KILLED CHRIST Jesus...BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM,...

OG (1 week ago)
i ask all dumb muslims, jesus said he was god, you say no he didnt, then i ask, what did he get crucified for, then u say no he didnt get crucified, someone else got crucified for him , then i ask you, why did that person get crucified, then u get stuck and realize, that he had to have get killed for blasphemy by the jews claiming he is god, then u realize the koran thought u shyt so u done believe in the real god, and jesus talks bout the false prophet and how he will decieve many.

TB (1 week ago)
You ask dumb Muslims.

Well ask me, because I am not a dumb Muslim and have done about 8 months of research on Muslim websites such as:

answering-christianity . com

Jesus was going to get crucified because the Jews rejected him and wanted him dead.

But Allah Almighty put Judas Iscariot in his place.

OG (1 week ago)
haha see another dumb muslim, answer the question, why did they reject him and wanted him dead, they rejected that he was god, right, haha see what i mean, dumb ass muslims,

TB (1 week ago)
Personal attacks lead to nowhere.

Keep swearing.

It just gets me happy.

They wanted Jesus dead because they were jealous of him.

Always, they expect a saviour but when he comes they betray.

They did the same to Moses when they started worshiping the golden calf.

And yes their will be a false Prophet who will deceive many.

The brother in this video proves that this FALSE PROPHET IS PAUL.

TB (1 week ago)
Answer this:

I quoted the Bible to prove that Yahweh was a sick pedophile with 32 virgins (Numbers 31:40).

Now I want you to quote the Qur'an to prove that we will get virgins after killing ourselves.

If you cannot then you have no foundation and no proof.

The man who teaches no love is Paul, when he tells men not to marry but if they cannot control their lust they should marry (1 Corinthians 7:1-2)

I think I know whose book is from Satan.

ilov(1 week ago)
HOW CAN GOD DIE?
HOW CAN GOD HAVE A SON?

OG (1 week ago)
how can god die, since when did god die, haha, jesus never died, he rose agian after they buried him, he just shed his blood, so mankind can be forgiving, muslims shed animal blood, and how could god have a son, he never did, jesus is god he came in flesh to die for our sin, we just explian the trinity that way, but he is all 3 of them.

ilov (1 week ago)
so u belive in 3 gods?

OG (1 week ago)
no i believe in one god. just like you, they are all one.

ilov (6 days ago)
3 doesnt equal 1

OG (1 week ago)
truebeliever is a good examle of a dumb muslim, i asked him that jesus had to see he was god thats why the jews wanted to kill him, but muslims say he never said he is god, then why they kill him, so truebeliever says because they rejected him and wanted him dead, good job u dumb muslim, u answered the question, now answer that question u mr.reseacher why did they reject him and killed him, ill give u a hint, because he claimed he is god, and its blashphemy so they killed him, except it muslims.

TB (1 week ago)
Again, thankyou for the insulting.

The Jews expect Messiah to come and save them but when they betray them.

It is the same thing they did with Moses.

THE REASON THEY WANTED JESUS DEAD IS BECAUSE HE BROUGHT NEW COVENANT FROM GOD, WHICH MADE LAWFUL WHAT "WAS PREVIOUSLY UNLAWFUL".

He allowed people to work on the Sabbath and made lawful what was previously unlawful.

That is why they wanted to kill him.

They also betrayed Moses and God by worshiping the Golden Calf.

[Pete]

PeteWaldo (5 days ago)
Please forgive me my young friend. I didn't consider that you might have missed the question and answered to the following posts.

But DOES ALLAH HAVE A SPIRIT?

TB (5 days ago)
Allah is NUR (LIGHT).

We can neither see him nor fell him.

He is made of NUR, and has no beginning nor end.

Yes Allah created a spirit.

He created a Spirit and cast it into the womb of the Blessed virgin Mary.

She begot Jesus, who was that spirit and spoke when he was ONE HOUR. He was a WORD UNTO MANKIND.

PeteWaldo (5 days ago)
1) But Allah isn't ONLY LIGHT, or He couldn't have created anything, could He?
2) How can there be any darkness IF GOD IS LIGHT, AND HE IS EVERYWHERE?
3) If God cast ONLY A SPIRIT into Mary, HOW COULD ANYBODY HAVE EVEN SEEN JESUS?
4) If Jesus was ONLY A WORD how could they see Him? Wasn't Jesus a baby and then a man? DIDN'T HE COME IN THE FLESH WITH A SPIRIT?
5) If Mary begat Jesus, who was His father?

Wish we could move to the forum where we have space:
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=126.0

TB (4 days ago)
1) Yes he could.
2) God is omnipresent. He is everywhere. This means that he knows everything that is happening and is not literal.
3) The Spirit became flesh.
4) Yes, he came in flesh.
5) I can ask you, Who was the father and mother of Adam?

The Qur'an answers this question:

Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then He said unto him: Be! and he is. (Surah Ale-Imran 3:59)

Jesus had no father and was made like Adam.

PeteWaldo (4 days ago)
It seems that maybe you meant that God is light in the metaphorical sense. Maybe that He is the essence of everything.
If that is what you meant, then WHAT IF God had wanted to show Himself, physically, to mankind? To demonstrate for us exactly how He wants us to be. To be the ultimate example to us.

Couldn't He just say "be" and it would be?

Could He then be revealed as a light for all mankind? Lighting the way for us, and showing us His truth?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/#gospel_of_john

TB (4 days ago)
Light is in metaphorical sense, in my opinion.

I do not know for sure.

Only God Almighty knows.

But according to what I have been taught he is a Nur (light), which is different to any other light in existence and cannot be seen.

The Qur'an reflects the light and guidance of Allah (SWT).

Allah wants us to find the truth.

If he wished he could have made us all believers, but he wishes to test us.

PeteWaldo (3 days ago)
3) Isn't there something about God's Word being put into Mary too?

5) Adam was made from dust, not conceived in a woman's womb. Though God would be his father, in the sense that He is mine, Adam had no mother.

6) Since even glancing at a woman and having even an inappropriate thought is sin, how could ANY MAN could lead a perfectly sinless life? (maybe you don't believe Jesus is sinless)

7) Jesus is the Word and the light of men, to Christians.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/#gospel_of_john

PeteWaldo (4 days ago)
TB, look how nicely our conversation can be organized. I took the liberty to copy and paste it to demonstrate:
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=126.0

PeteWaldo (3 days ago)
Can I beg you to come into the forum 786? You could have edited your double posting. If you have an afterthought you can add it, etc. We can quote each other to keep things straight. I DO NOT CENSOR ANYTHING, just like on my YouTube channel, and just like our stand-up host of this video. Copy and paste the link and remove the space from next to each dot. I pasted a little of our conversation to demonstrate:
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=126.0

PeteWaldo (3 days ago)
Since I don't spot my 5 questions in here, I wouldn't even know what you were answering to if I hadn't pasted them into the forum.

TB (3 days ago)
Brother:

brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=126.0

This link is not working.

According to my internet it does not exist.

PeteWaldo (3 days ago)
"...the 1952 RSV Bible, the Bible which has authority from the earliest manuscripts..."

Sorry, but you could not be more wrong my friend, not that I find it pleasant to bring you the truth.
The RSV is based on the 19th century minority Greek text written by two spiritualists named Westcott and Hort. They are also credited as being fathers of the New Age movement.
A later Greek version, Nestle Aland, is also based on Westcott and Hort. Yahoo it.
beholdthebeast. com/new_age_bible_versions. htm

TB(3 days ago)
Yes. The present day RSV Bibles are corrupted and based on later less authentic manuscripts.

But the 1952 version and those before 1952 come from the EARLIEST MANUSCRIPTS OF THE BIBLE.

PeteWaldo (3 days ago)
"3) The Spirit became flesh.
4) Yes, he came in flesh."

So then Jesus is God's Spirit made flesh?
Is Jesus also God's Word - or is the Word of God in Him?

TB (3 days ago)
I want to ask you something, brother:

Which is the word of God:

RSV
KJV
NIV
Roman Catholic Bible
Orthodox Bible

There are over 24 000 different versions.

I want you to tell me which is the word of God and why this one and not others.

The Qur'an is only one copy, and that is the word of God for all Muslims.

brotherjw (2 days ago)
I already answered this. The underlying Greek New Testament text is what matters. The only one on your list that is based on the Greek Textus Receptus, or majority Greek text, the received text, is the KJV.
Catholic bibles are based on the minority codex vaticanus, and the modern versions you list on the 19th century Westcott and Hort.
I gave you a link to a full explanation that includes many links. Here it is in the forum:
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=81.0

TB (3 days ago)
Jesus is God's spirit made in flesh.

This means that he is a SPIRIT MADE BY GOD AND PUT IN FLESH.

John 1:1 in today's Bible says: '...The word was God'

The word for God in Greek is Theos.

Dr. Hasan Baagil believes it was changed from Theou to Theos and originally said: '...The word was God's (Theou)'.

We love Jesus and WE BELIEVE he is one of the greatest Messengers from God Almighty, is his spirit and will come and guide many to the true Faith, which is Islam.

PeteWaldo (2 days ago)
(I am pete&jw)
You can't love Jesus. You deny His purpose THE WHOLE SUBJECT of God's Word & blood that would save you.
1John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth HIM THAT BEGAT loveth HIM also THAT IS BEGOTTEN of him.

Deny the Son of God:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmbvtuW4ZFE
1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave of his Son.

TB (2 days ago)
Who is speaking in 1 John 5:1 and 10?

John is speaking.

Give me a verse where Jesus says that he DIED FOR THE SINS OF HUMANITY or THAT HE IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD AND WHOSOEVER DENIES THIS CANNOT LOVE HIM.

We love Jesus and know he is one of the mightiest messengers from God Almighty.

Jesus said that whoever loves God with all his heart and mind and loves his neighbours as themselves will inherit eternal life (Luke 10:25-28)

But Jesus never taught atonement.

PeteWaldo (2 days ago)
Why would it matter who is writing?

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

THE SUBJECT of the NT IS Jesus crucifixion and resurrection. It's all about the blood that saves us OT or NT.

TB (1 day ago)
2 Timothy 3:16, is written by whom?

It is written by Paul.

Paul tells:

Wives to submit to their husbands as if they were the Lord (Ephesians 5:22)

Women to be silent, submissive and never teach or have authority over a man (1 Timothy 2:9-12).

Women to cover their heads while praying and have their heads shaved if they do not cover them (1 Corinthians 11:5-6).

Slaves to serve their masters as if they serve Christ (Ephesians 6:5).

Are these verses inspired by God?

PeteWaldo (2 days ago)
"Jesus said that whoever loves God with all his heart..."

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Since Jesus IS THE TRUTH so the only way we can love Him is to love the truth.

HE IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER.
WHO ELSE IN WORLD HISTORY WAS BORN OF A VIRGIN? Who put Him there?
The 10 begotten verses begin at the 4:00 mark on this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmbvtuW4ZFE
Text version:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/jesus.htm#begotten

PeteWaldo (2 days ago)
1John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth HIM THAT BEGAT loveth HIM also THAT IS BEGOTTEN of him.

Jon 3:36 He that believeth on THE SON hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE; BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVETH NOT THE RECORD that God gave of his Son.

[Pete]

PeteWaldo (2 days ago)
"Jesus is God's spirit made in flesh."

So then God has no Spirit except for Jesus?

TB (2 days ago)
God made a Holy Spirit and cast it into the womb of the virgin Mary.

Jesus, Adam, and Eve are all spirits created God and put in flesh.

These 3 are the only ones who are unique in their creation.

So now the LORD has put a LYING SPIRIT in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you. (1 Kings 22:23)

The Noble Qur'an describes the Holy Spirit as a sacred being sent to do the works of God but the Bible calls it a LYING SPIRIT.

WE HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR IT.

PeteWaldo (2 days ago)
What was the purpose of the Solomonic temple that was built on the temple mount?

TB (1 day ago)
I do not know exactly what you mean by this question:

"What was the purpose of the Solomonic temple that was built on the temple mount?"

PeteWaldo (21 hours ago)
You probably know the temple was built for sacrifice of animals to God, for remission of sin. Remission of sin has always been through blood.
Jesus came as a sacrifice to save all those who believe in His shed blood from our sins. Just 40 years after His crucifixion the temple was torn down - every stone - just as He prophesied, though He had already made it desolate.
A new covenant was made to include Gentiles. Jesus is our only path to God.

PeteWaldo (21 hours ago)
Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

New Testament or Old:

Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

TB (9 hours ago)
There needs to be no shedding of blood to find one's way to God Almighty.

Why do animals need to be sacrificed?

Jesus did not die according to the Bible.

Dr. Hasan Baagil states:

If Jesus died on the cross, his blood would clot and thus no blood would have gushed out of his body when his side was pierced. But the Gospel states that blood and water came out:

John 19:34: "But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water."

PeteWaldo (2 hours ago)
"There needs to be no shedding of blood to find one's way to God Almighty."

TB I showed you what GOD'S WORD says about blood and remission of sin, Old or New Testament:

Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and WITHOUT SHEDDING OF BLOOD IS NO REMISSION.

Yet you follow some foolish Islamic doctor's preposterous presumption. His being perhaps the most ridiculous excuse for disobedience to God that I have see a Muslim pull out of his hat to date.

truebeliever786 (1 hour ago)
There are no abrogations in the Noble Quran.

There are no Noble verse which allow the killing of innocent people.

Show me one verse that tells us to kill innocent disbelievers.

You cant because all Jihad verses, which are way more than 100 as you claim, refer to war-mongers and mischief makers.

PeteWaldo (21 hours ago)
Did you find your way into the forum? This would be a lot easier there where we can quote each other etc.
Just copy and paste link into an empty browser window and then remove the spaces next to the dots:
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=12.0

Sly (15 hours ago)
Muhammed is more likely to serve satan. That explains why muslims are so violent and hateful to this day. Paul was a horrible man, but he got saved and God changed his life

TB (9 hours ago)
Christians have done way more violence than Muslims.

Muslims act the way they do today to get revenge on the Americans.

They have killed so many Muslims already (500 000 Iraqi children).

They have raped women in Iraq.

It is natural for human-beings to want revenge.

It is not because of Prophet Mohammad.

The Qur'an teaches us to treat disbelievers kindly (Surah al-Mumtahanah 60:8).

PeteWaldo (2 hours ago)
You are deluded. What does 3 teenage girls beheaded on their way to Christian school in Indonesia have to do with America? How about the bombings in India? Open your eyes. There have been 11,904 deadly Islamic terror attacks AROUND THE WORLD just since 9-11. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

It's got to do with Islamic jihad conquest of the world not America.

The only way to tell a Christian:
John 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

TB (1 hour ago)
As you know these people are not mentally healthy.

It is not the Noble Quran that teaches such actions.

Why do they bomb India?

India has killed many Muslims as well.

Muslims suffer in India all the time.

PeteWaldo (2 hours ago)
We know what the Islamic murderers believe the Quran teaches, because it says so:

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

And the hadith: Jews will hide behind the stone and tree, and the stone and tree will say oh servant of Allah, oh Muslim, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.

Peaceful verses in the Quran are abrogated by over 100 verses that suggest violence against non-believers.

TB (1 hour ago)
About Surah al-Anfal 8:12:

It only refers to the disbelievers whom the Muslims met in battle in the wells of Bedr. These disbelievers stole the property of the Muslims in Mecca and persecuted them every since the Message came down from God to Prophet Mohammad (SAWW).

PeteWaldo (1 hour ago)
What kind of doctor is Baagil anyway, a podiatrist?
The beating Jesus took could have resulted in gathering of fluid in the membrane around the heart called pericardial effusion, and/or fluid gathering around the lungs called pleural effusion, explaining the blood AND WATER that exited when Jesus' side was pierced.

Jhn 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

NO BLOOD - NO REMISSION OF SIN 786.
You could die wallowing in yours.

TB (1 hour ago)
Dr Hasan Baagil says:

Matthew 12:40: "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Was Jonas alive in the whales belly?

Yes.

Therefore Jesus was also alive on the cross.

TB (1 hour ago)
I do not worship 3 Gods. The difference between you and I is that I believe the Holy Spirit is a creation of God who does what it is told and is assigned duties. However, you believe the Holy Spirit is God.

There is a difference.

TB (1 hour ago)
I believe in one God, Allah (SWT) and I believe the HOLY SPIRIT is NOT GOD, but a servant of God, who does what it is told.

You believe in Allah (SWT), Jesus and the Holy Spirit as 3 Gods.

I am not a polytheist and I am not a hypocrite. I never said I worship 2 Gods but said that the Holy Spirit is a servant from God Almighty and not God-Almighty.

And tell me how to work your forum. I do not know how to sign up.

PeteWaldo (1 minute ago)
All you have to do is follow the instructions to register - create a username and make up a password. Then it will automatically send you an email, and after you click on the link in the email to confirm, you will be able to post in the forum
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=12.0

You are devolving from polytheist hypocrite, to liar, because you know that Christians believe in ONE GOD.

Mark 12:29 ... The Lord our God is one Lord:... 32 ... for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

PeteWaldo (1 hour ago)
Here is an imam that fully understands the gravity of continuing to wallow in one's sins:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D53LhuVIbbU

TB (1 hour ago)
Dr Baagil further says:

Hebrews 5:7: "Who in the days of his flesh, when he [Jesus] had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared."

Matthew 7:7-8: "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you

From these verses: Jesus asked to be saved from death and therefore it should have been given to him as he said: "ask and ye shall recieve".

[Pete]

PeteWaldo (1 hour ago)
TB wrote: "Trinity is worship of 3 Gods."

TB, you've already admitted to being a polytheist, if we use the same measure you apply to Christians, with your earlier admission:

TB wrote: "Yes I believe in God and the Holy Spirit."

As you would calculate for Christians: 1+1=2.
You believe in two Gods. You are a polytheist hypocrite. Let's move to the forum:
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=12.0


TB (1 hour ago)
As you know these people are not mentally healthy.

It is not the Noble Quran that teaches such actions.

Why do they bomb India?

India has killed many Muslims as well.

Muslims suffer in India all the time.


TB (1 hour ago)
About Surah al-Anfal 8:12:

It only refers to the disbelievers whom the Muslims met in battle in the wells of Bedr. These disbelievers stole the property of the Muslims in Mecca and persecuted them every since the Message came down from God to Prophet Mohammad (SAWW).


TB (1 hour ago)
There are no abrogations in the Noble Quran.

There are no Noble verse which allow the killing of innocent people.

Show me one verse that tells us to kill innocent disbelievers.

You cant because all Jihad verses, which are way more than 100 as you claim, refer to war-mongers and mischief makers.


TB (1 hour ago)
Dr Hasan Baagil says:

Matthew 12:40: "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Was Jonas alive in the whales belly?

Yes.

Therefore Jesus was also alive on the cross.


TB (1 hour ago)
Dr Baagil further says:

Hebrews 5:7: "Who in the days of his flesh, when he [Jesus] had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared."

Matthew 7:7-8: "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you

From these verses: Jesus asked to be saved from death and therefore it should have been given to him as he said: "ask and ye shall recieve".


TB (1 hour ago)
The Hadith about the Jews needs to be read in context. This refers to the end of times and to those Jews who will follow the anti-Christ against Jesus. These are haters and mischief makers who want to fight the Muslims. We Muslims will be on the side of Jesus and will fight against these Jews, NOT ALL JEWS.


TB (1 hour ago)
I do not worship 3 Gods. The difference between you and I is that I believe the Holy Spirit is a creation of God who does what it is told and is assigned duties. However, you believe the Holy Spirit is God.

There is a difference.


TB (1 hour ago)
I believe in one God, Allah (SWT) and I believe the HOLY SPIRIT is NOT GOD, but a servant of God, who does what it is told.

You believe in Allah (SWT), Jesus and the Holy Spirit as 3 Gods.

I am not a polytheist and I am not a hypocrite. I never said I worship 2 Gods but said that the Holy Spirit is a servant from God Almighty and not God-Almighty.

And tell me how to work your forum. I do not know how to sign up.


PeteWaldo (4 seconds ago)
All you have to do is follow the instructions to register - create a username and make up a password. Then it will automatically send you an email, and after you click on the link in the email to confirm, you will be able to post in the forum
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=12.0

You are devolving from polytheist hypocrite, to liar, because you know that Christians believe in ONE GOD.

Mark 12:29 ... The Lord our God is one Lord:... 32 ... for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

[Pete]

TB (9 hours ago)
There needs to be no shedding of blood to find one's way to God Almighty.

Why do animals need to be sacrificed?

Jesus did not die according to the Bible.

Dr. Hasan Baagil states:

If Jesus died on the cross, his blood would clot and thus no blood would have gushed out of his body when his side was pierced. But the Gospel states that blood and water came out:

John 19:34: "But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water."

PeteWaldo (2 hours ago)
"There needs to be no shedding of blood to find one's way to God Almighty."

TB I showed you what GOD'S WORD says about blood and remission of sin, Old or New Testament:

Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and WITHOUT SHEDDING OF BLOOD IS NO REMISSION.

Yet you follow some foolish Islamic doctor's preposterous presumption. His being perhaps the most ridiculous excuse for disobedience to God that I have see a Muslim pull out of his hat to date.

........

PeteWaldo (1 hour ago)
What kind of doctor is Baagil anyway, a podiatrist?
The beating Jesus took could have resulted in gathering of fluid in the membrane around the heart called pericardial effusion, and/or fluid gathering around the lungs called pleural effusion, explaining the blood AND WATER that exited when Jesus' side was pierced.

And besides all that, any true Muslim would hold that if God wanted blood and water to flow out of Jesus, all He would have to do is say "be" and it would. But because you prefer to remain in disobedience rather than submitted to God you prefer the word of Dr. Baagil and his foolish presumptions rather than the Word of God.

[Pete]

TB (9 hours ago)
There needs to be no shedding of blood to find one's way to God Almighty.

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Why do animals need to be sacrificed?

Jesus did not die according to the Bible.

I didn't realize you hadn't read the bible:

Mark 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

[Pete]

Old Testament or New. Blood sacrifice for remission of sin.
You might know the story of Abraham taking his son up on the hill to sacrifice in his obedience to God. He couldn't imagine why, he only knew to obey God. The agony we feel for Abraham is the preview of exactly the agony God must have felt by sending a part of Himself to die on the Cross to save us from our sins. Particularly agonizing for Him in regard to those that reject His shed blood.

Jhn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Imagine Muslims that believe Jesus to be perfectly sin free, yet still be just a man. Isn't that preposterous?

Those who reject God's plan for their salvation will die wallowing in their sins.

[Pete]

TB (1 week ago)
The Hadith you quote is from Sahih Muslim.

This book was written over 250 years after the death of the Noble Prophet of Islam Mohammad (SAWW) and Sahih al-Bukhari as written over 200 years after the dath of the Noble Prophet Mohammad (SAWW) as well.

Therefore the only real 100% authentic source in Islam is the Noble Qur'an.

I quoted the Bible to prove that Jesus lied:

'...God makes the sun rise on the good and the bad' (Matthew 5:45)

The sun does not rise.

Therefore Jesus lied.

But who is the liar? Jesus or pitiful TB who blasphemes Him?
What does TB say when the sun comes up in a beautiful sky? "What a beautiful earth spin today!"
With all that we know about the sun through science even today, we still call it a "sunrise" don't we.
My opinion is irrelevant TB.
But what do you think that God's opinion of your claim that Jesus is a lier would be?

So who is the liar? It is the lying spirit of antichrist. It is TB looking to blaspheme Jesus no matter how preposterous the effort.

Who does God's Word say is the liar?

1Jo 5:10  He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave of his Son.


1 John 2:22  WHO IS A LIAR but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

Mohammedanism. The perfect-complete-OPPOSITE of God's Word.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=56.0