Pagan Catholic Roots Exposed

[Cephyr13]

This is a great video series on the origins of the many different Catholic symbols. It's amazing how much of it is Pagan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP5AD0AtK-4&playnext_from=TL&videos=6iEyQOJYVXI

Please don't much stock in his prophecy nor his obvious legalism. I wouldn't believe his dating of the solar eclipse on the year Jesus died either. It can be disproven, actually, so he must've messed up something with his event contingencies. The Catholic stuff is interesting, though. This is a series, so when one finishes, it should instantly continue to the next one. There are 3 discs, and about 10 segements per disc. Enjoy!

[Peter]

I think maybe you posted the wrong link. You posted the "Jonah Code".
I am in video 3 and still nothing about the Roman Church.
Also the videos are numbered in an order, but it isn't correct. I think I just observed that video 5 is likely actually video 2 or 3.
That isn't the only place it did not seem to be continuous.

Look what he does with Daniel's 70 weeks and the "he". I commented on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BQQJAPJkGM&feature=related

[Cephyr13]

Hmmmm...  Yeah, that's the right link, but that's strange that it's not going in order.

I guess the Catholic stuff comes later in the videos. I apologize. It's been a long time since I watched them and I thought the Catholic stuff took a large part of the beginning of the videos.

Well, they're worth a watch. And if you find the Catholic part of the videos, you should fix my link up there and maybe link all the ones that concern Catholicism. I'm not sure I'll have the time to go back through them, but maybe I can spot check them to figure out where the Catholic stuff is.

[Peter]

Hmmmm...  Yeah, that's the right link, but that's strange that it's not going in order.

I guess the Catholic stuff comes later in the videos. I apologize. It's been a long time since I watched them and I thought the Catholic stuff took a large part of the beginning of the videos.

Well, they're worth a watch. And if you find the Catholic part of the videos, you should fix my link up there and maybe link all the ones that concern Catholicism. I'm not sure I'll have the time to go back through them, but maybe I can spot check them to figure out where the Catholic stuff is.

I don't know if you have visited our section on the Roman Catholic Church, but it is a real eye opener.
Here's a good video in that section with a great quote
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=484.0

"In an age of barbarism the popes led the pack, in an age of enlightenment they trailed the field." - Peter de Rosa -  Vicars of Christ

Richard Bennett's video on the inquisitions - you can skip past the intro music to save time (2:40 minute mark)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFniD2cDAlo

[Cephyr13]

Okay, I started watching the videos again. In the first video, he claims he'll decifer Daniel's 70 weeks, which is incorrect, of course.

But in part 2, he starts exposing the Paganism in Easter, which will connect to the Catholic chuch. For instance, he says that 3 days and 3 nights cannot be fit into Good Friday through Easter Sunday. He said Good Friday is when Dagon, the Assyrian Fish god us worshipped, and Easter Sunday is when Nimrod's wife, Samramus, was sent back from the gods to earth in a giant egg, which landed in the Euphrates river. The egg burst open and Samramus came out, reborn as Easter, the bare breasted goddes of fertility, who turned a bird into an egg laying rabbit to proclaim her divinity. The early Catholic church brought this into our traditions. He'll get to that later.

[Peter]

Okay, I started watching the videos again. In the first video, he claims he'll decifer Daniel's 70 weeks, which is incorrect, of course.

But in part 2, he starts exposing the Paganism in Easter, which will connect to the Catholic chuch. For instance, he says that 3 days and 3 nights cannot be fit into Good Friday through Easter Sunday. He said Good Friday is when Dagon, the Assyrian Fish god us worshipped, and Easter Sunday is when Nimrod's wife, Samramus, was sent back from the gods to earth in a giant egg, which landed in the Euphrates river. The egg burst open and Samramus came out, reborn as Easter, the bare breasted goddes of fertility, who turned a bird into an egg laying rabbit to proclaim her divinity. The early Catholic church brought this into our traditions. He'll get to that later.

Not to mention the "Christmas tree"

Jeremiah 10:2 KJV Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3* For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

Have you read "Pagan Christianity" by Frank Viola?

[Cephyr13]

Not to mention the "Christmas tree"

Jeremiah 10:2 KJV Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3* For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

Have you read "Pagan Christianity" by Frank Viola?

Yep. Good book.

[Peter]

Interesting link

http://av1611.com/kjbp/ridiculous-kjv-bible-corrections/Christmas-Trees.html

More on New Age Bible versions (any wonder that Muslims are fond of quoting from them?)

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=81.0

[Cephyr13]

Yeah, I've known about the Christmas tree verse since I was a little kid. I was Missionary Baptist to age 7, then from 7-16 I was in World Wide Church of God and they thought they were the only ones going to heaven. LOL We observed only Jewish holy days, not American holidays. When I was born again at age 16, I got us out of that church immediately. Funny how being born again can immediately clue you in to false teachings even though you don't know how they're false intellectually.

I'll give you my take on Jeremiah 10:2. Back in those days, this is what was being described: The Pagans would cut a tree down, place it on an alter and decorate it. Then, they would hold hands around it, naked, dancing and then having sex. The Catholic prayer beads come from this exact practice. The circle beads are representing the people holding hands around the tree on the alter, and the line of beads coming off the side holding the cross used to hold an ahnk (the cross with a tear-drop shape for its top). The ahnk was the symbol for Ashra's son, and the tree on the alter represented Ashra. It would lose all its branches eventually as it died off, and it would be called an Ashra pole. The Catholics simply changed the ahnk to a cross. At times, Israel did these things, because evil kings would come in and they would completely get rid of the Law and it would be lost for many years. So God is not warning these people about Christmas and Christmas trees. He's warning them about the Pagan ritual of worshipping Nimrod on December 25th which involved the tree, nudity and sex.

Catholics rehashed some of these old ways when Paganism and Christianity got mixed. Constantine mixed a lot of Paganism in with Christianity. So, they brought the December 25th date over and claimed Christ was born on that day and worshipped Him instead of Nimrod. However, we're pretty certain now that Christ was born in the fall on Feast of Tabernacles, around October 1st, and His conception date was most likely December 25th, exactly 40 weeks (the length of a pregnancy) before October 1st.

[Cephyr13]

Did you know that when our country began, it was against the law to put up a Christmas tree on December 25th or to have your church unlocked on that day? It was direct rebellion of the Catholic church and their pagan influenced holidays.

In my honest opinion, it is all in how you worship. I celebrate Christmas strictly for Jesus and as a good excuse to give to others. When I have kids, I'm going to take them to orphanages or homeless shelters on Christmas and have them give some of their old toys to kids who have none so they can understand what it is to give to someone whom does not have anything. I've heard that kids enjoy this far more than receiving tons of gifts if you start this at an early age. I'm also going to request that my family not buy my kids hardly any gifts, or maybe they all chip in together to get one or two nice gifts, and that's it. I don't want my kids to become like other kids who get all kinds of gifts and are still not satisfied and think that's what the holiday is all about. We're not trying to worship a false god nowadays. Many people really are celebrating Jesus. So I don't condemn the practice, though, I will tell me children where the practice has its roots so they understand the truth.

[Peter]

The ahnk was the symbol for Ashra's son, and the tree on the alter represented Ashra. It would lose all its branches eventually as it died off, and it would be called an Ashra pole.

I don't suppose that happened around May, and thus the maypole?

http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/asherah.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maypole

[Cephyr13]

Good question! That's very possible. You'd have to track how long it takes a small evergreen tree to die off and start losing branches I suppose. If it's about 5 months, that'd be about right. Guess you'd have to research the Maypole.

[Peter]

Good question! That's very possible. You'd have to track how long it takes a small evergreen tree to die off and start losing branches I suppose. If it's about 5 months, that'd be about right. Guess you'd have to research the Maypole.

Try this
http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/asherah.html

[resistingrexmundi]

Interesting note on this, though I am not certain how true it is, but the gold and silver orbs used to decorate the tree originally were from moon and sun worship.

[Cephyr13]

Interesting note on this, though I am not certain how true it is, but the gold and silver orbs used to decorate the tree originally were from moon and sun worship.

Makes sense. I wouldn't doubt it.

[Peter]

Interesting note on this, though I am not certain how true it is, but the gold and silver orbs used to decorate the tree originally were from moon and sun worship.

The silver ones would perhaps represent Ilat, the sun goddess, and then I suppose the gold ones, Allah.

Sura 53.19 Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza, 20 And another, the third (goddess), Manat?

[Peter]

Did you know that when our country began, it was against the law to put up a Christmas tree on December 25th or to have your church unlocked on that day? It was direct rebellion of the Catholic church and their pagan influenced holidays.

I just caught this. Catholic Church or Church of England?

[Cephyr13]

Interesting note on this, though I am not certain how true it is, but the gold and silver orbs used to decorate the tree originally were from moon and sun worship.

The silver ones would perhaps represent Ilat, the sun goddess, and then I suppose the gold ones, Allah.

Sura 53.19 Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza, 20 And another, the third (goddess), Manat?

I think you have that one backward. The moon is white/grey (both close to silver), and so silver orbs would represent the moon God, Allah. The sun is golden, and thus, the golden balls would be for Ilat.

[Cephyr13]

Did you know that when our country began, it was against the law to put up a Christmas tree on December 25th or to have your church unlocked on that day? It was direct rebellion of the Catholic church and their pagan influenced holidays.

I just caught this. Catholic Church or Church of England?

Not sure, to be honest. If the Church of England was doing the same practice, then I would say the Protestants were protesting them both.

[Peter]

Interesting note on this, though I am not certain how true it is, but the gold and silver orbs used to decorate the tree originally were from moon and sun worship.

The silver ones would perhaps represent Ilat, the sun goddess, and then I suppose the gold ones, Allah.

Sura 53.19 Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza, 20 And another, the third (goddess), Manat?

I think you have that one backward. The moon is white/grey (both close to silver), and so silver orbs would represent the moon God, Allah. The sun is golden, and thus, the golden balls would be for Ilat.

Indeed!