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This is a letter from an IDF soldier who was on one of the flotilla ships outside Gaza. It is an eye witness account to the real facts. --Aminidav

Below, a first hand account from Amir, an Israeli soldier who was there.

"Hello Uncle Erwin,

"This is Amir writing you after reading what you sent to my father, Eitan.

"As you know, it was my unit and my friends who were on the ship. My commander was injured badly as a result of the "pacifists" violence. I want to tell you how he was injured so you could tell the story. it shows just how horrible and inhuman were the activists. My commander was the first soldier that rappelled down from the helicopter to the ship. When he touched ground, he got hit in the head with a pole and stabbed in the stomach with a knife. When he drew out his secondary weapon - a handgun (his primary weapon was a regular paint-ball gun: "Tippman 98 custom") he was shot in the leg. He managed to fire a single shot before he was tossed from the balcony by 4 Arab activists, to the lower deck (a 12 feet fall). He was then dragged by other activists to a room in the lower deck were he was stripped down by 2 activists. They took off his vest, helmet and shirt, leaving him with only his pants and shoes on. When they finished they took a knife and expanded the wound he already had in his stomach. They cut his ab muscles horizontally and by hand spilled his guts out. When they finished they raised him up and walked him on the deck outside. He was conscious the whole time. If you are asking yourself why they did all that, here comes the reason. They wanted to show the soldiers their commander's body so they will be demoralized and scared. Luckily, when they walked him on the deck a soldier saw him and managed to shoot the activist that was walking him down the outside corridor. He shot him with a special non-lethal bullet that didn't kill him. My commander managed to jump from the deck to the water and swim to an army rescue boat (his guts still out of his body, and now in salty sea water). That was how he was saved. The activists that did this to him are alive, now in Turkey, and treated as heroes.

"I'm sorry if I described this with too many details, but I thought it was necessary for the credibility. Please tell this story to anyone who will listen. I think that these days you are one of Israel's best spokesman.

"Thanks uncle Erwin, Shabbat shalom!

Amir"

Aminidav

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Re: IDF soldier who was on one of the flotilla ships outside Gaza
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2010, 01:07:01 PM »
I don't see where this is confirmed.
http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=3423928

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Re: IDF soldier who was on one of the flotilla ships outside Gaza
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2010, 09:19:17 PM »
All of that, and no mention of the well documented journalist on that flotilla that was shot in the chest once, and 4(four) more times in the head.
http://vodpod.com/watch/3773932-execution-of-us-citizen-19yr-old-shot-4x-in-head-on-gaza-flotilla-by-idf

He was also a U.S. Citizen

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Re: IDF soldier who was on one of the flotilla ships outside Gaza
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2010, 06:20:39 AM »
AnnaMuslim, as I have told you repeatedly you will not be allowed to post in other threads until you finish answering replies to the posts you already posted in the several threads. Your post has been moved to spam storage until such time as you engage in and exchange and attend to your unanswered posts here.

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1079.msg5931#msg5931
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=466.15

and then these

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1138.msg5793#msg5793
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=56.msg5797#msg5797

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Re: IDF soldier who was on one of the flotilla ships outside Gaza
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2010, 07:10:26 AM »
All of that, and no mention of the well documented journalist on that flotilla that was shot in the chest once, and 4(four) more times in the head.
http://vodpod.com/watch/3773932-execution-of-us-citizen-19yr-old-shot-4x-in-head-on-gaza-flotilla-by-idf

He was also a U.S. Citizen

First of all where do you get that the dead guy was a journalist (not that it is at all relevant anyway).
Second he was a Turkish national and holds a U.S. passport, but his nationality is also irrelevant.
Thirdly, the "journalist" in the video denied that the mob violence was perpetrated against the Israeli soldiers first.
Fourthly, the dead Turk knew what he was getting into, just like everybody else on those party boats.
Fifth, I wouldn't seek out an opinion from a deluded anarchist that's still wet behind the ears anyway. All it does is expose the propaganda agenda of the gal that interviewed him and/or those she is in bed with.

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Re: IDF soldier who was on one of the flotilla ships outside Gaza
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2010, 03:02:50 PM »
"Fourthly, the dead Turk knew what he was getting into, just like everybody else on those party boats."

First of all those boats were filled with humanitarian activist.
Second, there was a holocaust survivor on that very same Floatilla where the U.S. Citizen was shot in the chest once, and four(4) more times in the head.
Third, they were in international waters, the very fact the isrealis boarded the ship gave the passengers on that ship excuse to defend themselves and thier "country" (the ship was flying a turkish flag, techinacally that is the same a floating peice of Turkish land).

I will be gone for the next several hours, I will reply more then.

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Re: IDF soldier who was on one of the flotilla ships outside Gaza
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2010, 04:34:43 PM »
"Fourthly, the dead Turk knew what he was getting into, just like everybody else on those party boats."

First of all those boats were filled with humanitarian activist.

http://www.vimeo.com/12290869

Maybe you should try to get to know the folks you support a little better.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

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Re: IDF soldier who was on one of the flotilla ships outside Gaza
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2010, 04:49:04 PM »
"Fourthly, the dead Turk knew what he was getting into, just like everybody else on those party boats."

First of all those boats were filled with humanitarian activist.


http://www.vimeo.com/12290869

Maybe you should try to get to know the folks you support a little better.

You failed to make any attempt at the oter points I brought to attention.

SO by ignoring the point I made about the young man who seemed to have been executed that was a U.S. citizen, you do not support his rights he was obligated to as a U.S. citizen?  What about that Americans "god given rights"?

Why do you support Isreal 100%, over the death, technically a murder, of an American?

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Re: IDF soldier who was on one of the flotilla ships outside Gaza
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2010, 05:24:28 PM »
"Fourthly, the dead Turk knew what he was getting into, just like everybody else on those party boats."

First of all those boats were filled with humanitarian activist.

Since when do "humanitarians" beat on guys with with pipes? Didn't you watch the video?


http://www.vimeo.com/12290869

Maybe you should try to get to know the folks you support a little better.

You failed to make any attempt at the oter points I brought to attention.

What you brought to my attention was a video that was larded with the opinions of an anarchist that I brought to your attention earlier.

SO by ignoring the point I made about the young man who seemed to have been executed that was a U.S. citizen, you do not support his rights he was obligated to as a U.S. citizen?  What about that Americans "god given rights"?

Don't be silly. Our laws don't extend beyond our borders (as much as our corrupt government tries to make them). Even our fishing laws are subject to a 200 mile limit except shorter where we share waters with others.
The Guy was subject to the laws in the area where he chose to engage in what he knew would be conflict. The blockade was a few years old and an effort to stop the importation of the thousands of rockets that Muslims randomly rained down on Israel. In that regard it seems to have had the desired effect.

Why do you support Isreal 100%, over the death, technically a murder, of an American?

Because the guy got, what at least others, were hoping for. If he had called the State Department before going, they would have advised against it. But he already knew that.
Didn't you watch the video and the interviews with Muslims that went on the boat so they could be martyred?
Do you know why Muslims want to martyr themselves by blowing themselves up among Jews in market places and such?
Do you know why Muslims leave countries that are not in conflict, like Saudi Arabia, and travel to die in other Islamic conflicts?

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Re: IDF soldier who was on one of the flotilla ships outside Gaza
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2010, 05:42:34 PM »
1. As to the Liability

   It is a fundamental principal of internantional maritime law that, except by special convention and in time of war, interference by a cruiser with a foreign vessel pursuing a lawful avocation on the high seas is un warranted and illegal, and constitutes a violation of the sovereignty of the country whose flag the vessel flies.

The source: The American journal of international law.
http://books.google.com/books?id=R2oIAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA121&lpg=PA121&dq=international+maritime+law+with+regard+to+ones+citizenship&source=bl&ots=_oJYBy2-bs&sig=IDW9E0lPpU523JpOHFJqfsSyflU&hl=en&ei=aPEXTN_fHsL_nQftwOHSCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCYQ6AEwBA#v=snippet&q=international%20maritime%20law%3B%20citizenship&f=false

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Re: IDF soldier who was on one of the flotilla ships outside Gaza
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2010, 05:54:42 PM »
1. As to the Liability

   It is a fundamental principal of internantional maritime law that, except by special convention and in time of war, interference by a cruiser with a foreign vessel pursuing a lawful avocation on the high seas is un warranted and illegal, and constitutes a violation of the sovereignty of the country whose flag the vessel flies.

The source: The American journal of international law.
http://books.google.com/books?id=R2oIAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA121&lpg=PA121&dq=international+maritime+law+with+regard+to+ones+citizenship&source=bl&ots=_oJYBy2-bs&sig=IDW9E0lPpU523JpOHFJqfsSyflU&hl=en&ei=aPEXTN_fHsL_nQftwOHSCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCYQ6AEwBA#v=snippet&q=international%20maritime%20law%3B%20citizenship&f=false

Are you suggesting it was a U.S. flagged vessel?

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Re: IDF soldier who was on one of the flotilla ships outside Gaza
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2010, 06:02:09 PM »
1. As to the Liability

   It is a fundamental principal of internantional maritime law that, except by special convention and in time of war, interference by a cruiser with a foreign vessel pursuing a lawful avocation on the high seas is un warranted and illegal, and constitutes a violation of the sovereignty of the country whose flag the vessel flies.

The source: The American journal of international law.
http://books.google.com/books?

Why doesn't your heart bleed for all the Americans killed by Muslims in Israel?
http://avpv.tripod.com/AmericanVictims.html