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Kedar is Mecca
« on: July 24, 2010, 07:41:35 AM »
"Qedarite (also Kedarite/Cedarene, Cedar/Kedar/Qedar and Kingdom of Qedar) refers to a largely nomadic, ancient Arab tribal confederation. Described as "the most organized of the Northern Arabian tribes", at the peak of its power in the 6th century BC it controlled a large region between the Persian Gulf and the Sinai Peninsula.

Biblical tradition holds that the Qedarites are named for Qedar, the second son of Ishmael, mentioned in the Bible's books of Genesis (25:13) and Chronicles (1:29), where there are also frequent references to Qedar as a tribe.[2][5] The earliest extrabiblical inscriptions discovered by archaeologists that mention the Qedarites are from the Neo-Assyrian Empire. Spanning the 8th and 7th centuries BC, they list the names of Qedarite queens and kings who paid Assyrian monarchs tribute, as well as those who revolted and were defeated in battle."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qedar

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Assyrian_empire_750_625.jpg

"In accounts tracing the ancestry of Mohammed back to Ma'ad (and from there to Adam), Arab scholars alternate, with some citing the line as through Nebaioth, others Qedar.[63] Many Muslim scholars see Isaiah 42 (21:13-17) as predicting the coming of a servant of God who is associated with Qedar and interpret this as a reference to Mohammed."

Of course Isaiah 42 is a MESSIANIC prophecy http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=396.0

The reason for the confusion is because Mohammed's genealogy is a fiction that was created in the 8th century by Ibn Ishak. If this comes as a surprise to you simply count the generations. Are we to believe an average Arabian generation 66 years long? Especially with Mohammed himself having done a 9 year old?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1317.0

It's utterly preposterous to suggest that someone could have, in the 7th century AD Arabian desert, traced their genealogy back a couple thousand years. The confusion in Islamic scholars today is the same as it was back when other liars tried it according to Amru bin al-As:

'Mohammed genealogized himself regarding his ancestors until he reached al-Nather bin Kinaneh, then he said 'anyone who claimed otherwise or added further ancestors, has lied.'"




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Re: Kedar is Mecca
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2010, 08:50:29 AM »
Gen 25:13 And these [are] the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam, 14 And Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa, 15 Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah: 16 These [are] the sons of Ishmael, and these [are] their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes according to their nations. 17 And these [are] the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred and thirty and seven years: and he gave up the ghost and died; and was gathered unto his people. 18 And they dwelt from Havilah unto Shur, that [is] before Egypt, as thou goest toward Assyria: [and] he died in the presence of all his brethren.

Did Isaac and Jacob live in Mecca too?

maps Nebajoth Kedar Adbeel Mibsam Mishma Dumah Massa Hadar Tema Jetur Naphish Kedemah

"During history, the Kedarites were in constant conflict with the Assyrians. The Assyrians, Neo-Babylonians, Persians and even the Roman realized the importance of taking control of the commercial routes in northern Arabia that were under the dominion of the Kedarites (and later the Nabataeans)."

http://nabataea.net/kedar.html

"Regarding their religion, Assyrian inscriptions tell us that Sennacherib captured of several Arabian deities in the Kedarite city of Dumah. The chief deity was Atarsamain, or the morning star of heaven. (the counterpart of Mesopotamian Ishtar). The tribal league led by the Kedarites was known as "the confederation of Atarsamain, and their cult was led by a series of queen-priestesses in Dumah. The rest of their pantheon of gods consisted of Dai, Nuhai (Nuhay), Ruldai (Ruda), Abirillu, and Atarquruma. Rock graffiti in the Thamudic language reveals that Ruda was known as the evening star, and Nuhay was the sun-god, and they were worshiped in addition to Atarsamain 'the morning star.' Herodotus, in the fifth century BC identified two deities worshiped among the Arabs, as a fertility god called Orotalt (perhaps Ruda, as identified by Macdonald in North Arabian in the First Millennium BC, 1360), and a sky goddess know as Allat. (Herodotus III,3.) Later Allat became referred to in the masculine form as Allah)"

See where do the Qibla of the oldest mosques point