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[[[[First of all i knew you would divert the conversation .......]]]]]
My friend, all you want to do is squander time, when time is running out. That's why I wanted to begin with the only point that matters. THE CORE of the subject. It is you that wish to engage in the Greek sophist styled nonsense of your uncle.
Let's focus on THE WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel and what makes Mohammed's 7th century religion THE EXACT OPPOSITE.
[[[[[......... but Running and disappearing was on my list as well :) answer the whole post with Greek and parrallel translations which you have not done as of yet in the mean time here is the reply:]]]]]
Didn't you read the PM? This is all that matters. As a gentile, if you reject the blood of Yeshua then you are heading for destruction. You will die wallowing in your sins.
(Greek/English Interlinear (tr) NT) Matthew 26:28 touto <5124> gar <1063> {FOR THIS} estin <2076> (5748) to <3588> {IS} aima <129> mou <3450> {MY BLOOD,} to <3588> {THAT} thV <3588> {OF THE} kainhV <2537> {NEW} diaqhkhV <1242> {COVENANT,} to <3588> {WHICH} peri <4012> {FOR} pollwn <4183> {MANY} ekcunomenon <1632> (5746) {IS POURED OUT} eiV <1519> {FOR} afesin <859> {REMISSION} amartiwn <266> {OF SINS.} }
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
(Greek/English Interlinear (tr) NT) 1 John 5:12 o <3588> {HE THAT} ecwn <2192> (5723) {HAS} ton <3588> {THE} uion <5207> {SON,} ecei <2192> (5719) thn <3588> {HAS} zwhn <2222> {LIFE:} o <3588> {HE THAT} mh <3361> ecwn <2192> (5723) {HAS NOT} ton <3588> {THE} uion <5207> tou <3588> {SON} qeou <2316> thn <3588> {OF GOD} zwhn <2222> {LIFE} ouk <3756> ecei <2192> (5719) {HAS NOT.}
And here's what you can expect.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.
(Greek/English Interlinear (tr) NT) John 3:36 o <3588> {HE THAT} pisteuwn <4100> (5723) {BELIEVES} eiV <1519> {ON} ton <3588> {THE} uion <5207> {SON} ecei <2192> (5719) {HAS} zwhn <2222> {LIFE} aiwnion <166> o <3588> {ETERNAL;} de <1161> {AND HE THAT} apeiqwn <544> (5723) {IS NOT SUBJECT} tw <3588> {TO THE} uiw <5207> ouk <3756> {SON} oyetai <3700> (5695) {SHALL NOT SEE} zwhn <2222> {LIFE,} all <235> {BUT} h <3588> {THE} orgh <3709> tou <3588> {WRATH} qeou <2316> {OF GOD} menei <3306> (5719) {ABIDES} ep <1909> {ON} auton <846> {HIM.}
I am through bothering with the interlinear since you didn't even notice it in my last PM and, as you can see, the KJV is a very good version. If you have questions you can consult the Greek/English interlinear and Hebrew with Strong's definitions at this link.
http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm[[[["""""An illiterate 7th century southwest Arabian desert dweller, located 1200 kilometers away from the Holy Land, directly contradicting the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, 500 years after the fact."""""""
Are you serious? first of all Lets get some facts straight it was 623 years after NOT 500.......]]]]]
Jesus was crucified around 33AD, and the Gospel penned from about 50 to 63AD, so I forgot the word "over" 500 years.
But do you really think this is the kind of thing you should waste your time with, when you are racing headlong toward an eternity of suffering, by engaging in thinly repackaged Arabian paganism?
[[[[......the whole subject of the gospel according to maybe maybe not matthew mark luke and john ........]]]]]
See? You requested that I quote Mat Mark Luke & John but I knew in advance you would not give a whit about it because you knew when you made your request that you would have to REJECT THEM ALL because you follow Mohammed. You just wanted to waste my time.
You knew that YOU MUST NECESSARILY REJECT THE WHOLE SUBJECT OF THE GOSPEL TO FOLLOW MOHAMMED'S 7TH CENTURY RELIGION.
I quoted the confirmation of the death of Jesus FROM ALL OF THEM.
That's why you didn't quote them, but rather go on your way with more blather.
Why don't you simply be truthful with yourself and admit that you must reject ALL of the prophets and witnesses of YHWH as revealed in His 1600 year record?
1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.
Tragically, the only reason you do this is because you follow Mohammed's 23 year 7th century record. A man who your own books reveal as a murdering,
Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."
prisoner raping,
Tabari VIII:38 "The Prophet selected for himself from among the Jewish women of the Qurayza, Rayhanah bt. Amr. She became his concubine. When he predeceased her, she was still in his possession. When the Messenger of Allah took her as a captive, she showed herself averse to Islam and insisted on Judaism."
thief.
Ishaq:465 "Then the Apostle divided the property, wives, and children of the Qurayza among the Muslims. Allah's Messenger took his fifth of the booty. He made known on that day the extra shares for horses and their riders - giving the horse two shares and the rider one. A Muslim without a horse got one share of the spoil. It was the first booty in which lots were cast."
My purpose is to show you that you are ABSOLUTELY ISOLATED in Mohammedanism.
That there can be no question that Mohammed himself was THE EXACT OPPOSITE of the perfect and sinless Messiah - Jesus Christ. And don't give me that "insulting my prophet" nonsense when it is your own books that insult Mohammed.
[[[[........ and paul is not about the supoosed "death" of Jesus ......]]]]
That's the whole subject of the Gospel as I showed you from ALL of it's authors.
I have isolated just their descriptions of that event from each author here.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1175.0Jesus was crucified just as was prophesied so many hundreds of years in advance.
Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: they look [and] stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
That was written many hundreds of years before crucifixion was ever even invented.
[[[[[......... "It was Made to appear to them so" ........]]]]]
But the ONLY REASON you reject the accounts of all those that lived in Jesus' time, is THE SOLE WORD of A SINGLE so-called "prophet" with no fulfilled prophecy, who not a single person ever heard his "Allah" or Gabriel give a single revelation to, that never performed a single miracle. THAT LIVED OVER 500 YEARS AFTER the men who lived during those times, and penned their accounts.
Can't you see how utterly ridiculous that is? But that's not the half of it. Please read on.
[[[[........ what man who cant read or write with out a translation of the bible in arabic can write such claims WHO can you do it have you met a man who cant read or write have you ever met someone like that plz tell me yes there were Christians in the area at the Time ...........]]]]]
You are the victim of brainwashing, my friend. Even your own Quran and Hadith explains it for you. Mohammed was influenced by those he encountered in his uncle's business, his sugar momma's business, and later by the wives, concubines and slaves that had some Christianity and Judaism in their backgrounds, a tri-lingual Jewish secretary, Tubba and of course Jabr.
In fact, so often did Mohammed get a "revelation" so soon after talking to Jabr, that the local nickname for Jabr in jest became "holy spirit". Mohammed had to make up a special "revelation" in a foolish and transparent effort at damage control.
Sura 16.103 We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.
Much more on this subject.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=452.0Why don't you try to learn a little about the source of the repackaged Arabian paganism that you follow?
[[[[[....... but cmon for a man to orate such verses is impossible you cant even write a single chapter from it CAN YOU????]]]]]
Didn't you ever even read the Quran???
Illiterates in the 7th century might have believed Mohammed's declaration that you just parroted, but such a ridiculous claim is exposed as the sheer and utter nonsense that it is, in this 21st century information age?
"Gerd Puin, the world's leading specialist in Arabic calligraphy and Qur'anic paleography, studying the oldest manuscripts, speaks with disdain about the willingness of Muslims and non-Muslims alike, to accept Islamic dogma. He says: "The Qur'an claims for itself that it is 'mubeen,' or clear, but if you just look at it, you will see that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn't make sense. Many Muslims will tell you otherwise, but the fact is that a fifth of the Qur'an is just incomprehensible. This is what has caused the traditional anxiety regarding translation. If the Qur'an is not comprehensible, if it can't even be understood in Arabic, then it's not translatable into any language. That is why Muslims are afraid."
Mohammed's confusion and the mess he left behind is also why a whopping 71 out of only 114 suras are subject to abrogation. You know, the Al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh. So please don't try to give me any more of this utter nonsense.
Simply because you are willing to parrot something, doesn't magically make it come true, my friend.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0[[[[The first arabic bible was available in the 9th century 3 CENTURIES after the prophet muhammad PBUH yes or no plz tell me the man couldnt read his own language .......]]]]
Don't you get it? Mohammed may have been ignorant but many of the people around him were very literate as well as multilingual.
Mohammed claimed of the Quran ".... while this is Arabic, pure and clear." but there are over a hundred words that are not even Arabic, like the Syriac word "injeel", for example. You have been fed a crock of sheer nonsense, my friend.
[[[[[........ none the less read Greek that's what puzzled the people of the book how is he orating scripture without being learned....................]]]]]
That's why he messed up the Arabic and Hebrew fables that he recycled, so badly. Folks in his day tried to correct him but he just went on. It's well known that's where he got the stuff like Jesus speaking from the cradle and clay birds from.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=893.0Even your rituals are adopted, and then adapted, pagan moon, sun, star and jinn-demon worship.
Mohammed's grandfather dug the well of Zamzam and dedicated it to the most venerated priest and priestess of the Arabian jinn religion. The pagans ran back and forth between Safa and Marwah in jinn worship, just the way you do today! Even Mohammed's closest followers hated to engage in it because they knew it was pure pagan worship.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1784.0Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2.158) (Sahih al-Bukhari 2 Book 26 710)
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwahDidn't you ever give any thought as to why you bow to a black stone in the corner of a black box 5 times a day? That was the Quraish's moon god idol before Mohammed.
You cannot deny that the black stone was an idol of the Quraish.
Why don't you try to educate yourself?
Start here. Find ANY historical or archaeological evidence whatsoever, that suggests that Mecca ever existed, before the 4th century AD.
Realize that if you come up empty handed you will have no choice but to believe that the rituals you practice are nothing more than thinly repackaged pagan rituals. Just as some of Mohammed's closest followers did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ8cnOoXBhA
