The Best Arguments for Islam and Christianity

[Mike S]

I ran across an article that compares the best arguments for Islam and Christianity. Very interesting. Islam's Rule of Thumb: The Resurrection vs the Qur'an in the Light of Logic

[resistingrexmundi]

I just read a book that flows from this premise in a round about way. It is called Paul meets Muhammad: A Christian-Muslim debate about the Resurrection. Great book and really worth the read.

[Peter]

Good article. Great website. I just put together who the author of this particular article is from a chat with a YouTube Muslim when he said
".....Answering Islam it was hilarious how we got them arrested at arab fest lol"
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2119.msg8842#msg8842

I googled something like - arab fest arrest answering islam - and found a video of the author on his blog regarding his arrest, lies of the mayor, and the beginnings of Sharia law in Dearborn.
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2010/07/david-woods-arrest-at-dearborn-arab.html
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The argument about none being able to write something like the Quran arises in most chats with Muslims. You can see it in my latest PM chat with a YouTuber. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2161.msg9099#msg9099

I could never figure out how anybody who had ever read the Quran, wouldn't feel foolish for parroting Mohammed's ridiculous claim. When you point out what a mess it is, in terms of requiring abrogation and picking and choosing (to my continuing surprise none has yet argued against abrogation), they usually give you the "you have to read it in Arabic to understand" argument. I generally respond with

"Gerd Puin, the world's leading specialist in Arabic calligraphy and Qur'anic paleography, studying the oldest manuscripts, speaks with disdain about the willingness of Muslims and non-Muslims alike, to accept Islamic dogma. He says: "The Qur'an claims for itself that it is 'mubeen,' or clear, but if you just look at it, you will see that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn't make sense. Many Muslims will tell you otherwise, but the fact is that a fifth of the Qur'an is just incomprehensible. This is what has caused the traditional anxiety regarding translation. If the Qur'an is not comprehensible, if it can't even be understood in Arabic, then it's not translatable into any language. That is why Muslims are afraid."

After all if Mohammed's post Medina threat of "smite the unbelievers at the neck" doesn't contradict his earlier Mecca "revelation" of "no compulsion in religion" then what exactly does constitute compelling someone?

If "people of the Gospel" are supposed to follow what God has revealed therein during Mohammed's Mecca days, then how could we possibly believe Mohammed's post Medina denial of "they killed him not nor crucified him"? The crucifixion, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is THE WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel!

There is perhaps no less scholarly or patently ridiculous, widely read book, in the history of mankind. Maybe they're right. No literate person ever could reproduce such a mess. Since Mohammed was illiterate he couldn't even put it together himself. That's why he excused away the mess in advance.

2:106 (Asad) Any message which, We annul or consign to oblivion We replace with a better or a similar one. Dost thou not know that God has the power to will anything?

Even admitting he had already been the brunt of those around him pointing out his contradictions.

Surah 16:101 When We substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0
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Again, I encourage Christians participating in, or lurking this forum, to engage the Muslim community in YouTube. You can chat with Muslims from all over the world the first day you open an account. It is a great place to learn the kinds of things that go on in their heads to continue their self-indoctrination into Mohammed's religion.

[Mike S]

As far as I can tell, the only way Arabic writings are superior to those in any other language is in the beauty of the calligraphy itself. You gotta admit it looks prettier than what you see on this page. But that, like the literary style, is not a valid basis for proof that the Qur'an is inspired by God.

[Peter]

As far as I can tell, the only way Arabic writings are superior to those in any other language is in the beauty of the calligraphy itself. You gotta admit it looks prettier than what you see on this page. But that, like the literary style, is not a valid basis for proof that the Qur'an is inspired by God.

Hard to disagree. This reminded me of another argument some have tried that Arabic is the first language of the world. The language of Scripture. The funny part is, that the Arabic spoken throughout the world today is a quite modern language as it was the unique dialect of the Quraish from Yemen. The fictional history they created in the 7th and 8th centuries, for the thousands of years before Mohammed, even includes a lot of Arabic names that were modern to that period, and the Quraish.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1693.0

[Mike S]

As far as I can tell, the only way Arabic writings are superior to those in any other language is in the beauty of the calligraphy itself. You gotta admit it looks prettier than what you see on this page. But that, like the literary style, is not a valid basis for proof that the Qur'an is inspired by God.

Hard to disagree. This reminded me of another argument some have tried that Arabic is the first language of the world. The language of Scripture. The funny part is, that the Arabic spoken throughout the world today is a quite modern language as it was the unique dialect of the Quraish from Yemen. The fictional history they created in the 7th and 8th centuries, for the thousands of years before Mohammed, even includes a lot of Arabic names that were modern to that period, and the Quraish.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1693.0

And many of them say we are the ones who are brainwashed. Sad.

[resistingrexmundi]

As far as I can tell, the only way Arabic writings are superior to those in any other language is in the beauty of the calligraphy itself. You gotta admit it looks prettier than what you see on this page. But that, like the literary style, is not a valid basis for proof that the Qur'an is inspired by God.

While I do find their calligraphy appealing I am still partial to the Middle-ages calligraphy used my monks. I have seen a whole page with only a single letter on it and it was amazing.