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GAZA & ISRAEL
« on: January 01, 2011, 11:21:03 AM »
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GAZA & ISRAEL

The following reads more like a headline than an Old Testament passage:

Zechariah 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Let's begin with some background. The book of Genesis details God's covenants with His chosen people:

Genesis 12:2-3 And I will make of thee [Abram] a great nation, [Israel] and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Genesis 17:7  And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 8  And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.



Genesis 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates.....

Genesis 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

Gen 21:8 And the child grew, and was weaned: and Abraham made a great feast the [same] day that Isaac was weaned. 9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking. 10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, [even] with Isaac.

When Abraham was grieved about kicking out his wife Sarah's bondwoman, Hagar the Egyptian, and her son Ishmael God Himself reassured Abraham ....

Genesis 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Thus, even if Mohammed's Yemeni Quraish tribe had been descended from Ishmael, which neither history nor geography seem to support since they were more likely Hamitic via Ethiopia, any Ishmaelites that had not been absorbed would have no scriptural claim to this covenant land anyway.



During the first century Jesus prophesied...

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh

Jerusalem was surrounded by armies in 70 AD, and on many occasions after including 132, 639, 1099, 1187, 1948 and 1967.  While in 70 AD the city was trashed, and a million Jews were killed, the Romans came back to kill another 750,000 Jews a little over 60 years later in the Bar Kokhba revolt of 132 to 136.  

Certainly the physical and spiritual desolation of Jerusalem, following 1100 years of primarily Islamic control from 639, became virtually total desolation by the early 19th century.

In "A History of the Jews" - Paul Johnson writes - page 321: "Between 1827 and 1839, largely through British efforts, the population of Jerusalem rose from 550 to 5,500 and in all Palestine it topped 10,000 - the real beginning of the Jewish return to the Promised Land. In 1838 Palmerston appointed the first western vice-consul in Jerusalem, W.T. Young, and told him 'to afford protection to the Jews generally'."

So by the early 19th century nobody except a handful of Jews had any interest whatsoever in that desperately desolate land of Palestine.

By 1867, even 40 years after the restoration of the Jews began, Mark Twain described the land as:  " ...[a] desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds-a silent mournful expanse....A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action....We never saw a human being on the whole route....There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country."

What was prophesied about 600 years before the Christian era regarding this desolation?

Ezekiel 36:35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden;



and the waste and desolate and ruined cities [are become] fenced,



[and] are inhabited.



That tiny strip of land emerging from total desolation, to becoming the geopolitical focus of the entire world, fulfilling boatloads of old covenant prophecy in the process.

Indeed the restoration of the Jews to their land in 1948 and to their city in 1967 was prophesied by Daniel 2500 years in advance, and can be pinned mathematically right to those years, through two parallel calculations. See the "Proof of God" video for more.

Over the last half-century the Jews converted Gaza from barren desert wasteland to a vibrant productive community. In terms of agricultural miracles, in addition to reforestation, and being the world's leader in innovation in irrigation, the Gush Katif greenhouses alone produced up to 70% of Israel's produce, or about a hundred million dollars worth every year.




The pretense of the Gaza give-away was to bring peace between the so-called "Palestinians" and Israelis however Israel's enemies have never held up their end of any such agreement. All this deal accomplished was to provide a launch pad closer to Jerusalem from which thousands of rockets have been launched randomly into Israel, as capable of hitting schools and hospitals, as anything else.

International financiers promised the Gaza growers financial compensation for abandoning their greenhouses, that were to be taken over by the "Palestinians", with help from the international community.

No surprise that after the Jews were forced off their land Palestinians ransacked former Gush Katif greenhouses stealing computers, and even piping, causing irreparable damage in the process. The international financiers later defaulted on their promised payments to the Jewish growers. Yet millions in the world don't seem to be able to empathize, and understand what it would be like to be forced to give away your business and home that you had built from nothing, and were compelled to leave the community you had helped to pioneer.

Of course in their celebratory burning of synagogues and destruction of the greenhouses Israel's enemies rendered themselves even more destitute, destroying a 100 million dollars a year in food production, resulting in international welfare organizations throwing food off the backs of trucks to feed a people whose primary product and export is hate.

Jesus also prophesied of the Jews ....

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

This was fulfilled in 1967 when the Jews regained possession of Jerusalem as a result of the "7 day war". Seems so peculiar that some folks believe that the "times of the Gentiles" in Jerusalem were fulfilled in 70 AD. But then perhaps not as peculiar as church folks believing that THE false prophet of the book of Revelation was a figure of the 1st century, while others believe he is yet to be revealed in the future, even as 1.5 billion people - that's 1/4 of mankind - are in the grip of the false prophet Mohammed's stand-alone 7th century religion.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

1 John 2:22 .... He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father...

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus ..... but they killed him not, nor crucified him ..... for of a surety they killed him not:-

Mohammed's antichrist religion revealed as the exact opposite of the Gospel, while Mohammed himself is revealed through their own books as being the exact opposite of the sinless Messiah, the Prince of Peace, the Lamb of God.

One doesn't have to be the sharpest knife in the drawer to understand that:

"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel" ~ Benjamin Netanyahu

While Muslim leaders vow to "drive the Jews into the sea" and "kill all the Jews" Israelis are the only people in the middle east that share our Western values. Indeed Muslims enjoy more freedom in Israel's democracy today than they do in any Muslim state.

AP - December 06, 2006 MOGADISHU, Somalia - "Residents of a southern Somalia town who do not pray five times a day will be beheaded, an Islamic courts official said Wednesday, adding the edict will be implemented in three days."

The Israeli Jews may well be the most productive people on earth.

Consider that Muslims number approximately 2,000,000,000 or 33% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace:
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 - Yaser Arafat
1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Economics: (zero)

Physics: (zero)

Medicine:
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar

Chemistry:
1999 - Ahmed Zewail

TOTAL: 6

Jews number approximately 14,000,000, or about 0.02% of the world's population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature: 10
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pa sternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace: 8
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics: 53
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phil lips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Joseph son
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics: 13
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Mil ton Friedman
1978 - Herb ert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine: 43
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herb ert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abra ham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Ed elman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Ed ward B. Lewis

Chemistry: 22
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1972 - William Howard Stein
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Herbert Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1989 - Sidney Altman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1998 - Walter Kohn
2004 - Avram Hershko, Aaron Ciechanover and Irwin Rose
2006 - Roger Kornberg

TOTAL: 149

The above statistics expressed in a more graphic fashion by the folks at TheReligionOfPeace.com



With 43 Nobels - in medicine alone - we can truly understand.

Genesis 12:2-3 And I will make of thee [Abram] a great nation, [Israel] and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Jews aren't brain washing their children in military training camps,
Hamas Kindergarten http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WHdWgES-Uw
Never too young to learn! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhbHVEGnYD8
Even Hamas Mickey Mouse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSL0sMKGlY8




or teaching them how to blow themselves up among non-Jews
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hamas+children+martyrdom&aq=f
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XELcNMhkKCo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcYjvcRiCxY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWie0iM5DtU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FvXefcvXCM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrieBhaGgHM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIBNRVgq59Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6P4X9lcVEE
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hamas+children+suicide+martyrdom&aq=f




Jews don't hijack planes, kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in restaurants. Jews do not destroy churches or protest by killing people or burning cars. Jews don't traffic in slaves nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

From the Hadith, "Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh servant of Allah, oh Muslim, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"

No surprise then to find that the Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem worked hand in hand with Hitler in their shared goal of genocide of Jews...



+ 2 Islamic panzer divisions in Hitler's army.



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To answer the inevitable cacophony of Jew hating Muslims, skinheads, nazis and some of those indoctrinated into replacement theology - regarding that great and terrible day of the Lord ....

Zechariah 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

What kind of "plague" might manifest itself like that?

Joel 2:30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

Let's check Strong's:
and pillars
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
08490 tiymarah {tee-maw-raw'} or timarah {tee-maw-raw'}
from the same as 08558; TWOT - 2523d; n f
AV - pillar 2; 2
1) pillar, column
1a) palm-like spreading at top



To our Muslim friends are you ready to stand before our judge - the very Son of God you deny - in order to follow Mohammed?

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceb28sWxUx8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22EEbiCWDzo

Hamas Kindergarten http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WHdWgES-Uw
Never too young to learn! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhbHVEGnYD8
Even Hamas Mickey Mouse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSL0sMKGlY8

"BECAUSE THEY HATE" Brigitte Gabriel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8fa9yKQeTY

The "beast" of Revelation 13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dejfJNF2_s

Mathematical precision of prophecy
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/mathematical_precision_of_p...

"The False Prophet" - Ellis Skolfield (several translations)
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/the_false_prophet.htm

Regarding the "good" olive tree and the "wild" olive tree.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOLVFwGd1no

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The Hajj & Umrah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfWy5KaFvbU

Mohammed's "Night Journey" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYbRn9CAHkY

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Jamieson Faucett and Brown "... I think the twofold Church, Jewish and Gentile, may be meant by the two candlesticks represented by the two witnesses ... "

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Re: GAZA & ISRAEL
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2011, 03:32:28 PM »
As said long time ago you can not find an excuse to  kill other people because you have noble prizes . Secondaly the Nazis has nothing to do with muslims , actually hittlar him self has said that he is going to kill all semtic people , and that arab are lowers than animels .
I am not going to waste alot of time with you deleting my post , i will show you how civiliced people you are , Nazis western , who only know who to blame others for their problem . did you know the fact that jews were leaving with muslims when the F***ing westerns Crusaders has destroyed jersulam
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He begetteth not, nor is He begotten

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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2011, 07:41:41 AM »
As said long time ago you can not find an excuse to  kill other people because you have noble prizes .

I think the 6,000 rockets launched into Jerusalem from Gaza was enough of a reason don't you? If it were the U.S. and Canada launched ONE rocket intentionally and randomly into one of our cities, I would hope we would kick their butts right then and there - after the first rocket. That's what the Israelis should have done, but instead they exercised amazing, uncalled for and perhaps historically unprecedented restraint, over years of missile attacks.
7 seconds to take cover
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceb28sWxUx8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22EEbiCWDzo

"Jan 7, 2009 8:00 AM

In the past three years, Palestinians living in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip have launched more than 6,000 rockets at southern Israel, timing the majority of their attacks to cause the most possible damage. Prior to Israel’s latest offensive, most of the rockets fell between 7:30 and 8:10 in the morning, when children walk to school."
http://www.chabad.org/news/article_cdo/aid/806752/jewish/For-Israelis-Rockets-are-Part-of-Life.htm

Terrorists terrorize. What would those Israeli parents have to fear for, more than their children?

How many rockets do you think the Israelis should have put up with?

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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2011, 07:46:42 AM »
Secondaly the Nazis has nothing to do with muslims , .......

This is a patent lie since you have already been show the evidence. The Mufti of Jerusalem was up to his eyeballs with Hitler including TWO ISLAMIC PANZER DIVISIONS in Hitler's army.

...... actually hittlar him self has said that he is going to kill all semtic people , and that arab are lowers than animels .

That's right. However he found the Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem to be a useful tool in their shared goal of genocide of Jews. His Arab dupe who, along with all the other Muslim dupes in Hitler's army, housed so much hatred in their hearts for Jews that they joined forces with Hitler. Just as you indicate, extermination of Arabs would have been on his short list, of people to exterminate next. He just happened to hate Jews more than he hated Arabs so he started with them.

I am not going to waste alot of time with you deleting my post , ......

I have never deleted a post of yours and you know it. There of course is no need to censor in this forum because the truth will always prevail.

...... i will show you how civiliced people you are , Nazis western , ..........

But as you could see from the photos, and the historical record attests, it was Muslims that were with the Nazis, and it was the west that kicked the Nazi's butts and liberated the Jews and the rest of the oppressed.

........ who only know who to blame others for their problem . did you know the fact that jews were leaving with muslims when the F***ing westerns Crusaders has destroyed jersulam

Anywhere Jews were living with Muslims they were living under dhimmitude at best. And then only as long as they paid the Jizya penalty tax. The Mafia style "protection" tax to protect them from their Islamic masters.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2098.0

Now you have a lot of ground to cover before you raise any additional subjects my friend. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2278.msg9368#msg9368

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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2011, 08:24:29 AM »
As said long time ago you can not find an excuse to  kill other people because you have noble prizes . Secondaly the Nazis has nothing to do with muslims , actually hittlar him self has said that he is going to kill all semtic people , and that arab are lowers than animels .
I am not going to waste alot of time with you deleting my post , i will show you how civiliced people you are , Nazis western , who only know who to blame others for their problem . did you know the fact that jews were leaving with muslims when the F***ing westerns Crusaders has destroyed jersulam

SalahDinThe2nd, I don't know what possessed you to arbitrarily stop by. You are certainly welcome to do so and contribute to the dialogue. BUT you will maintain a civil tongue while you do so. Do not drop the F-bomb again.
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2011, 08:32:21 AM »
As said long time ago you can not find an excuse to  kill other people because you have noble prizes . Secondaly the Nazis has nothing to do with muslims , actually hittlar him self has said that he is going to kill all semtic people , and that arab are lowers than animels .
I am not going to waste alot of time with you deleting my post , i will show you how civiliced people you are , Nazis western , who only know who to blame others for their problem . did you know the fact that jews were leaving with muslims when the F***ing westerns Crusaders has destroyed jersulam

SalahDinThe2nd, I don't know what possessed you to arbitrarily stop by. You are certainly welcome to do so and contribute to the dialogue. BUT you will maintain a civil tongue while you do so. Do not drop the F-bomb again.

I think it is constructive for his brethren to see. It is certainly only a witness against himself. Wearing the condition of his heart, and resulting absence of self-control, on his sleeve.
You know I am getting so hardened to dialogue with Muslims I didn't even notice it in his post till you mentioned it!

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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2011, 08:35:18 AM »
As said long time ago you can not find an excuse to  kill other people because you have noble prizes . Secondaly the Nazis has nothing to do with muslims , actually hittlar him self has said that he is going to kill all semtic people , and that arab are lowers than animels .
I am not going to waste alot of time with you deleting my post , i will show you how civiliced people you are , Nazis western , who only know who to blame others for their problem . did you know the fact that jews were leaving with muslims when the F***ing westerns Crusaders has destroyed jersulam

SalahDinThe2nd, I don't know what possessed you to arbitrarily stop by. You are certainly welcome to do so and contribute to the dialogue. BUT you will maintain a civil tongue while you do so. Do not drop the F-bomb again.

I think it is constructive for his brethren to see. It is certainly only a witness against himself. Wearing the condition of his heart, and resulting absence of self-control, on his sleeve.
You know I am getting so hardened to dialogue with Muslims I didn't even notice it in his post till you mentioned it!

You know I was reading yesterday and I came across this and I think I am going to take the advice.

Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

But mine is more to do with pretend Christians on CF.
Doth that man love his Lord who would be willing to see Jesus wearing a crown of thorns, while for himself he craves a chaplet of laurel? Shall Jesus ascend to his throne by the cross, and do we expect to be carried there on the shoulders of applauding crowds? Charles H. Spurgeon

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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2011, 03:08:09 AM »
As said long time ago you can not find an excuse to  kill other people because you have noble prizes . Secondaly the Nazis has nothing to do with muslims , actually hittlar him self has said that he is going to kill all semtic people , and that arab are lowers than animels .
I am not going to waste alot of time with you deleting my post , i will show you how civiliced people you are , Nazis western , who only know who to blame others for their problem . did you know the fact that jews were leaving with muslims when the F***ing westerns Crusaders has destroyed jersulam

SalahDinThe2nd, I don't know what possessed you to arbitrarily stop by. You are certainly welcome to do so and contribute to the dialogue. BUT you will maintain a civil tongue while you do so. Do not drop the F-bomb again.


oh realy than why you do not tell you very lovely friend who called Saint peter , who always  make says very bad words about mohamed PEACE BE UPON HIM , and until he stops there is no need for me to stop droping the F - Bomb as you call it .
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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2011, 03:27:41 AM »
Secondaly the Nazis has nothing to do with muslims , .......

This is a patent lie since you have already been show the evidence. The Mufti of Jerusalem was up to his eyeballs with Hitler including TWO ISLAMIC PANZER DIVISIONS in Hitler's army.

...... actually hittlar him self has said that he is going to kill all semtic people , and that arab are lowers than animels .

That's right. However he found the Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem to be a useful tool in their shared goal of genocide of Jews. His Arab dupe who, along with all the other Muslim dupes in Hitler's army, housed so much hatred in their hearts for Jews that they joined forces with Hitler. Just as you indicate, extermination of Arabs would have been on his short list, of people to exterminate next. He just happened to hate Jews more than he hated Arabs so he started with them.

I am not going to waste alot of time with you deleting my post , ......

I have never deleted a post of yours and you know it. There of course is no need to censor in this forum because the truth will always prevail.

...... i will show you how civiliced people you are , Nazis western , ..........

But as you could see from the photos, and the historical record attests, it was Muslims that were with the Nazis, and it was the west that kicked the Nazi's butts and liberated the Jews and the rest of the oppressed.

........ who only know who to blame others for their problem . did you know the fact that jews were leaving with muslims when the F***ing westerns Crusaders has destroyed jersulam

Anywhere Jews were living with Muslims they were living under dhimmitude at best. And then only as long as they paid the Jizya penalty tax. The Mafia style "protection" tax to protect them from their Islamic masters.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2098.0

Now you have a lot of ground to cover before you raise any additional subjects my friend. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2278.msg9368#msg9368


No that picture proves nothign if , just go to google search fro muslims who portected jews , and it was done by jews man , also to mention out in Islamic Golden age  Jews were running to muslims to protec them from evil Catholic , who were genocid them . So msulims did not have any problem living with Jews until they came and Inavde jerusalem , and to point out there a lot of jews in yaman and Iran who are livng happily  there .

And to point out we mulims we do  not follow a Mufty, you took the idead from your evil pagan Satanic worshiper , so called Chruch who were controling you  . Wrong as porved muslims were not historically with Nazis , actully it was you killed the jews , because you wont them to out of the western world to jeruselam but as Allah said it will be taken back when we get back to our religon. Western were with genceod of Bosnian , and Communism who killed more 20 million muslims in 20 century . speak of your civilized way of thinking .
 
dhimmitude  at best ? biggest lair that the biggest lie of your history has proved that you sick Pagan barbairns who invaded the Muslims and jews and Orthdox and aermiene , you exterminted them all , with out any mercy . and later they drink their blood and eat their meat . What filthy peopel.

To point out the fact Hitlar himself was Catholci , and histroy prove it but you still try to attrubite to other peopel like so called mufit of Jeruselam . You mistakes is your and you will never attrubite to other people . Sickness is in you . always blaming the others .





Also i find hard to argue with pagan worshipers who always change thes subject to other things , but Allah the Al Mighty will help me for as you said truth wll pervial .
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2011, 05:30:45 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2011, 05:54:06 AM »
Secondaly the Nazis has nothing to do with muslims , .......

This is a patent lie since you have already been show the evidence. The Mufti of Jerusalem was up to his eyeballs with Hitler including TWO ISLAMIC PANZER DIVISIONS in Hitler's army.

...... actually hittlar him self has said that he is going to kill all semtic people , and that arab are lowers than animels .

That's right. However he found the Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem to be a useful tool in their shared goal of genocide of Jews. His Arab dupe who, along with all the other Muslim dupes in Hitler's army, housed so much hatred in their hearts for Jews that they joined forces with Hitler. Just as you indicate, extermination of Arabs would have been on his short list, of people to exterminate next. He just happened to hate Jews more than he hated Arabs so he started with them.

I am not going to waste alot of time with you deleting my post , ......

I have never deleted a post of yours and you know it. There of course is no need to censor in this forum because the truth will always prevail.

...... i will show you how civiliced people you are , Nazis western , ..........

But as you could see from the photos, and the historical record attests, it was Muslims that were with the Nazis, and it was the west that kicked the Nazi's butts and liberated the Jews and the rest of the oppressed.

........ who only know who to blame others for their problem . did you know the fact that jews were leaving with muslims when the F***ing westerns Crusaders has destroyed jersulam

Anywhere Jews were living with Muslims they were living under dhimmitude at best. And then only as long as they paid the Jizya penalty tax. The Mafia style "protection" tax to protect them from their Islamic masters.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2098.0

Now you have a lot of ground to cover before you raise any additional subjects my friend. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2278.msg9368#msg9368


No that picture proves nothign if , just go to google search fro muslims who portected jews , and it was done by jews man , also to mention out in Islamic Golden age ......

I think you mean stone age. Reversion to primitive man with punishments of stoning and cutting off hands. Mohammedans call the period before Mohammed the "period of ignorance" though there were many highly literate people and even poets around Mecca. But what we can positively affirm through this forum is that it was the beginning of the period of ignorance for Mohammed's followers beginning with Mohammed's murder of poets.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1012.0

Without question Mohammedans self-imposed ignorance has never been more acute than it is today in this information age, since Mohammed's followers must necessarily devoid their minds of history, archaeology, geography and scripture, until their minds become that of illiterate 7th century SW Arabian desert dwellers, in order to follow Mohammed. They must run away from knowledge, because ignorance is all that has kept Mohammed's religion going for 1400 years.

.......  Jews were running to muslims to protec them from evil Catholic , .......

We can agree that there was no shortage of evil Catholics, that may have slaughtered and tortured more CHRISTIANS than they did Muslims or Jews. But that has nothing to do with Christianity which can be summed up in one verse.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

......... who were genocid them . So msulims did not have any problem living with Jews until they came and Inavde jerusalem , and to point out there a lot of jews in yaman and Iran who are livng happily  there .

And there you have it folks. The queen of denial.
You may not know how to use a search engine, but our read-only participants out there sure do. Why not try a search like.
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Here's a great testimony regarding life for Christians in Syria/Lebanon
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2270.0

And of course the recent church burnings and persecutions in Iraq.

3 teenage girls beheaded on their way to Christian school in Indonesia.

EVERYWHERE Mohammed's antichrists live the story is the same.

And to point out we mulims we do  not follow a Mufty, .........

Come on my friend, you know your taqiyyah won't fly in here.
The FACT is that the Mufti working for genocide of Jews was acting EXACTLY LIKE YOUR PROPHET MOHAMMED did in his slaughter of the innocent Banu Quariza farm boys and their dads, in order to rape and enslave their mothers and wives and steal their property. Mohammed was the perfect model for Hitler.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2081.0

Let alone that your books call for Mohammed's TRUE FOLLOWERS to engage in this kind of behavior.
Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

The Mufti was following in the footsteps of perhaps the most consummate terrorist in the history of mankind.

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'"

Slaughtering a people simply because of the happenstance of their birth. PURELY SATAN DRIVEN EVIL, yet for antichrists represents everything that is good.

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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2011, 06:09:16 AM »
.......... you took the idead from your evil pagan Satanic worshiper , so called Chruch who were controling you  . Wrong as porved muslims were not historically with Nazis , ..........

There it is for all to see.
Not only was the Mufti with Hitler but there were 2 Islamic panzer divisions in his army as historically documented. But Muslims have to run away from all historical record - except that FICTIONAL "tradition" that was ALL CREATED in the 7th and 8th centuries by Mohammed's followers.

........... actully it was you killed the jews , .......

And again, my friends. So for Sal it wasn't the allied forces that liberated the Jews, but rather the allied forces that killed them. The spirit of antichrist from the father of lies through his prophet Mohammed inverts Muslims realities. Lies are what compose their truth, just as Mohammed's satanically inspired evil, must be perceived as good.

........ because you wont them to out of the western world to jeruselam but as Allah said it will be taken back when we get back to our religon. Western were with genceod of Bosnian , and Communism who killed more 20 million muslims in 20 century . speak of your civilized way of thinking .

And of course as in all Muslims who finally realize the folly of following Mohammed they try to pretend that western culture and western governments = Christianity. But the U.S. divorced herself from God back in 1947 through the Everson decision and "separation of church and state".

dhimmitude  at best ? biggest lair that the biggest lie of your history ........

The problem with your lie is that our records of dhimmitude come from YOUR ISLAMIC historical records.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2098.0

....... has proved that you sick Pagan barbairns who invaded the Muslims and jews and Orthdox and aermiene , you exterminted them all , with out any mercy . and later they drink their blood and eat their meat . What filthy peopel.

To point out the fact Hitlar himself was Catholci , .......

Hitler was driven by Satan just like Mohammed and his mufti. Regarding Hitler and religion he pretended to be doing God's service to dupe the foolish that followed him, just like your satanic prophet Mohammed. But what did Hitler really think of Christianity?

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains," Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941.

....... and histroy prove it but you still try to attrubite to other peopel like so called mufit of Jeruselam . You mistakes is your and you will never attrubite to other people . Sickness is in you . always blaming the others .

Also i find hard to argue with pagan worshipers who always change thes subject to other things , but Allah the Al Mighty will help me for as you said truth wll pervial .

Some Roman Catholic popes displayed some of the blackest hearts in human history, as well as some of those that they promised absolution to for life. However their actions were the exact opposite of the Gospel.

However the reprobate Islamic hordes that raped, pillaged and plundered their way, all the way up to France and Austria, were behaving EXACTLY as Mohammed did, and as Mohammedan books directed them to and still do today.

Quran Sura 33:50-51 "O prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war ...
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=456.0
Bukhari:V5B59N459 "I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, 'We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.'"
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1528.msg5864#msg5864
Sahih Muslim Book 8:3431: "It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with a captive woman after she is purified (of menses or delivery) in case she has a husband, her marriage is abrogated after she becomes captive.

Your beloved prophet taking 1/5 of the property stolen from others, just like a Mafia Don.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=608.0

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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2011, 07:56:47 AM »
oh realy than why you do not tell you very lovely friend who called Saint peter , who always  make says very bad words about mohamed PEACE BE UPON HIM , and until he stops there is no need for me to stop droping the F - Bomb as you call it .

Yes really. You see I know that being muslim has given you the impression that you have carte blanche to do whatever you please. So allow me to be a little more direct. You WILL stop using perverse language and keep a civil tongue or I WILL ban you for a while until you learn.
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2011, 11:34:21 AM »
" Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regarded sacrific for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammadan religion too would have been much more compatable to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with it's meeness and flabbiness?"-Speer, Albert Inside the Third Reich, New York, Page 96

"The diliberate lie of religion was introduced into the world by Christ." Hitler's Table Talk, Page 6-7

"Around 1937 when Hilter heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstainetly opposing his plans he never the less ordered his chief associates, above all Goering and Goebels, to remain members of the church, as in England." Inside the Third Reich, page 96

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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2011, 12:03:45 PM »
" Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regarded sacrific for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammadan religion too would have been much more compatable to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with it's meeness and flabbiness?"-Speer, Albert Inside the Third Reich, New York, Page 96

"The diliberate lie of religion was introduced into the world by Christ." Hitler's Table Talk, Page 6-7

"Around 1937 when Hilter heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstainetly opposing his plans he never the less ordered his chief associates, above all Goering and Goebels, to remain members of the church, as in England." Inside the Third Reich, page 96

Yet antichrist liars like Deedat will say Hitler was a Christian.
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains," Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941.

Great chapter in Prophet of Doom 16 "Mein Kampf"
http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_16_Mein_Kampf.Islam

Audio version http://prophetofdoom.net/audio/Prophet_of_Doom_16_Mein_Kampf.mp3

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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2012, 02:06:01 PM »
I've been searching for the fate of the greenhouses and how much produce the "Palestinians" are producing but can't hardly find a thing. A few interesting links along my way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtaOu4gj9Og
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/146686#.TxRzs3p-efA

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/hothouses.html

GUSH KATIF REFUGEES CONFRONT RAIN, RATS AND A RIDICULOUS BUREAUCRACY
http://www.think-israel.org/gushkatif.refugees.html
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gush_Katif#Economy

Economy

Greenhouses, like these in Morag, were the center of the bloc's industry.

In the Katif Bloc’s unique greenhouses, a uniquely developed advanced technology was used to grow bug-free leafy vegetables and herbs answering to the strictest health, aesthetic and religious requirements.[citation needed] Most of the organic agricultural products were exported to Europe. In addition, the community of Atzmona had Israel’s largest plant nursery, and with 800 cows, the Katif dairy was the second largest in the country. Telesales and Printing were other notable industries.

The total sum of exports from the greenhouses of Gush Katif, which were owned by 200 farmers, came to $200,000,000 per year and made up 15% of the agricultural exports of the State of Israel.[citation needed]

The combined assets in Gush Katif were estimated at $23 billion.[citation needed]

Of Israel’s total exports abroad, Gush Katif exported:

    95% of bug-free lettuce and greens
    70% of organic vegetables
    60% of cherry tomatoes
    60% of geraniums to Europe.[citation needed]

The Economic Cooperation Foundation, which is funded by the European Union, agreed to purchase the greenhouses for $14 million and transfer ownership to the Palestinian Authority, so that the 4,000 Palestinians employed to work in them could keep their jobs. Former head of the World Bank, James Wolfensohn, contributed $500,000 of his own money to the project.

When the IDF left Gaza, thousands of Palestinians looted the area, and 800 of the 4,000 greenhouses were left unusable.[4]
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Employment
The unemployment rate among the former Gush Katif residents is 18%, and underemployment stands at 20%. This contrasts with the 5% unemployment rate that existed in Gush Katif itself. Currently the only group working to alleviate this is JobKatif, a non-profit private organization that is subsidized at a 50% rate for its expenses. Though it has been very successful, it must deal with objective factors such as the age of the job seekers (many of them are over 50) and their lack of stable home conditions that makes retraining difficult. Problem causes problem, and many families are using their compensation monies for daily living expenses instead of saving them for house construction.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/144118#.TxSCPHp-cfg
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neve_Dekalim#Aftermath

The homes were bulldozed after the withdrawal on August 14, leaving only the greenhouses, which were part of a transaction in which private American citizens bought them for the Palestinians.[7]

Marching through the abandoned town in a "victory parade," thousands of masked Hamas gunmen fired in the air and trampled an Israeli flag. [8]

Hamas turned the site into a barbed-wire enclosed terror training camp from which Qassam rockets were launched into Israel. Signs posted in Arabic state that it is a "closed military zone." Mahmoud al-Zahar, chief of Hamas said that Hamas planned to launch terror attacks that would drive Jews out of the West Bank and the entire state. [9]

The Hamas-run Al-Aqsa University opened a campus on the site utilizing some of the remaining buildings.[citation needed]

In 2010, the site of Neve Dekalim was mostly sand and rubble, with Palestinian trucks removing the last remnants of Jewish homes for use as construction material. [10]
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I suddenly realized it must have been renamed. Looks like it's renamed Al Muhararat. NY Times liberal slant will do until I spot better. I found what I needed for my next video.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/29/world/middleeast/29gaza.html?pagewanted=all

Israel pulled out its 9,000 settlers and all of its soldiers from Gaza in 2005. The settlers’ high-tech greenhouses, which were bought for the Palestinians with $14 million in donations, were left unguarded and within days were stripped of computer equipment, irrigation pipes, water pumps and plastic sheeting.

Planting did resume, but after an attack on the border, Israel imposed security procedures on exiting trucks that left fresh produce baking in the sun, rendering it worthless. The greenhouse areas were abandoned and lay fallow, a symbol of hopelessness and hostility.

But in the past couple of years, as Gaza — ruled by the Islamist group Hamas — has struggled with its isolation and economic decline, the settlement areas have been reborn.

Renamed Al Muhararat — meaning the liberated lands — they make up 30 percent of the coastal strip’s land area. The farms on part of them, which are expanding every year, provide jobs for 500 people, as well as fruits and vegetables for large segments of Gaza’s 1.6 million inhabitants."


Here's my understanding. 4,000 "Palestinians" were well employed by the Jews in Gush Katif, and today 500 Arabs are scratching in the dirt.
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