Then answer me this. How did Ishmael make it to Hebron in time to join Isaac at their father's burial?
Gen 25:9 And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which [is] before Mamre;
How did he do the 1200 kilometers in a couple days, before anybody else ever did? A flying camel?
Now look at the map again and you will see that the Bible paints a perfectly reasonable picture, that is also supported by archaeology and geography.
http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/abraham.html
All you've been fed is lies by Mohammed's 7th century so-called "tradition" creators. Writing thousands of years of history of Mecca without a single reference to any actual historical or archaeological record that preceded the 4th century AD.
More on Mohammed's genealogy.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1174.0
Flying Camal ? No An Beautiful Angel .
If you are going to try to say that Ishmael rode on an angel from Mecca to Hebron you are going to have to cite me some sources from witnesses, and not a bunch of hogwash that was written 2,500 years after Ishmael.
Where did you learn that Ishmael rode on an angel?
The one that your God Rides accordin to the bibel . Or By Satan who took Christ to up to the mountian or may be becasue God accroding to the bible is able to do anything . So he did help Him Because according to the bible God named him Ishmael and in another verses it was Ibrahim .
You are the one who is fed by lies , look to your dark age , look to the funny thigns that your books has to offer . like Sex,incest, killing the sons of sinner , Following the Joke of Paul The Serpent .
Mohamed PEACE BE UPON HIM enlighted the world , he encorughed to search and discover , but your christianity look to it as infidilty , Your books was add by many peopel , in old time and new times , Your book tell the story the Fake Cross that is taken from the pagan .
The Old Testament is THE ONLY RECORD we have of Abraham's times. PERIOD. Yet you choose to REJECT THAT RECORD because a bunch of semi-literate 7th century SW Arabian desert dwellers CREATED PURE FICTION regarding events of 2500 YEARS EARLIER!!!! It's impossible for Tabari, Ishak and the rest of those clowns that followed Mohammed to have known anything about what happened thousands of years before.
Now click on this web search archaeological evidence confirms bible accuracy
The Gospel is the same as it was in the 1st century as it was in mohammed's 7th century when he said
Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein.
When Mohammed said that the bible had been translated into every popular language, had been copied tens of thousands of times and had been read all over the know world for centuries. The same Gospel we have today.
So are you saying that Mohammed was stupid for saying that and you are so smart for claiming corruption?
Here's a video by a former atheist that thought about the bible the way you do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxiddSTtKpA
So instead of an answer, you instead turn to blasphemy against YHWH and His Word.
But blaspheming YHWH will never make Mohammed's ridiculous stand-alone 7th century religion any more true, than it will move Mecca even ONE INCH closer to Jerusalem. Now ANSWER THE QUESTION THIS TIME.
How did Ishmael travel 1200 miles to Hebron in time to join Isaac at their father Abraham's burial?
As i remember is used the Quote from the bible not form the Haith Nor the Holy Quran . if you could not see it i will bring it to you . Read what is in blue[/color]:
Gen 25:9 And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which [is] before Mamre
You always speak about eye wittness , and quoting from the bible .
Are you not even aware that Christians, Jews AND MUSLIMS visit the place where Abraham was buried near Hebron? 1200 kilometers away from Mecca?
http://www.bibleplaces.com/hebron.htm
Hahahaha . I did not says that he is burid in Mecca , what i said he came and built mecca , .........
Yet the ONLY reason you believe that is because a bunch of semi-literate southwest Arabian desert dwellers said Abraham built Mecca, and they said it 2500 years after Abraham was alive.
Do you understand how ridiculous it is for someone to believe something so preposterous and without even a shred of historical or archaeological evidence to back it up?
........ you sick boy do not change what said.
Are you as illiterate as Mohammed? The question that you keep avoiding is...
How did Ishmael wander 1200 kilometers from Mecca to Hebron in time to join Isaac at their father Abraham's burial?
And the only record you believe in from gospols that written yaers after jesus PEACE BE UPON HIM was raised to heaven . Saul never saw jesus PEACE BE UPON HIM when he was on earth and yet he claims all this lies of him being a messanger of god.
historical or archaeological ?you do not have any Archaelogcical that proves that there was something called temple of Sololm , only in jews myths and christiany , prove to me that he build it , prove to me that Ibrahim was there , prove it to me you ca not prove .
We understand you have to reject ALL of the prophets and witnesses of God's Word to follow Mohammed and must reject all of the physical and historical evidence like the temple mount and the scriptures.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Mount
However now you even break with your own false prophet who, through his buffoonery made a claim that he rode a flying donkey-mule to the temple, without even realizing that the temple had been torn down over 500 years before he claimed to have tied his flying donkey-mule up to it!
Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0309:
It is narrated on the authority of Anas b. Malik that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I was brought al-Buraq Who is an animal white and long, larger than a donkey but smaller than a mule, who would place his hoof a distance equal to the range of vision. I mounted it and came to the Temple (Bait Maqdis in Jerusalem), then tethered it to the ring used by the prophets.
Isn't it funny that a magic flying donkey-mule would need to be tethered in the first place?
But you still didn't answer the question. You now agree that Abraham was from Hebron, near Jerusalem where Muslims visit his grave site.
So how did Abraham, his wife Sarah's bondwoman Hagar, and her son Ishmael, travel 1200 kilometers across unknown, uncharted, untraveled desert, from Jerusalem to Mecca, 800 years before the first caravan ever made the trip, and did it on a single skin of water?
How did Abraham make the 1200 kilometer trip back home without even that single waterskin?
How did Abraham make it back down to help Ishmael build the Kaaba?
What were Abraham's WIFE Sarah and Isaac doing in Hebron, while Abraham was in Mecca with Sarah's slave Hagar?
How did Hagar travel the 1200 kilometers up to Egypt and back when she fetched Ishmael's wife?
How did Ishmael travel 1200 miles from Mecca to Hebron in time to join Isaac at their father Abraham's burial?
On flying donkey-mules?
If you try to dodge these questions again I am going to give you a time out to think about and research the answers to the questions. If and when you return it will still be your first and only assignment.
Do not bring a story from the bible that says , beucase also i can bring form the HOLY QURAN THE ONLY WORD OF GOD THAT HAS NOT CHANGED AND WILL NEVER CHNAGE .
Indeed it's just as big a mess as Mohammed and his co-authors left it in.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2285.0
But Mohammed said I come from a blood clo ? Indeed Mohamed PEACE BE UPON HIM was from blood clot , but i was not saying it to say he was not . But you misunderstood why i post it . if you read your repleys you will you about banning me like i fear you , so i was telling i fear Non but God , on you and by the way why did you delet my post huh i will post them agian .
No posts have been deleted. If you posted gratuitous blasphemy, or proof texted unrelated verses from the Old Testament, particularly without a genuine interest in understanding, it was moved here.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=780.0
We muslim do not regect any prophet PEACE BE UPON THEM ALL , i am going to create topic about it.
First there is no histoical evidance that Abrahm did not go Mecca as long as you can not dissprove it , it make no sense . According to hisotian Mecca exist before that time of christian Pagan Era :
Edward Gibbon writes about the Ka'bah and its existence before the Christian era in his book:
..... of blind mythology of barbarians - of the local deities, of the stars, the air, and the earth, of their sex or titles, their attributes or subordination. Each tribe, each family, each independent warrier, created and changed the rites and the object of this fantastic worship; but the nation, in every age, has bowed to the religion as well as to the language of Mecca. The genuine antiquity of
Caaba ascends beyond the Christian era: in describing the coast of the Red sea the Greek historian Diodorus has remarked, between the Thamudites and the Sabeans, a famous temple, whose superior sanctity was revered by all the Arabians; the linen of silken veil, which is annually renewed by the Turkish emperor, was first offered by the Homerites, who reigned seven hundred years before the time of Mohammad.
Diodorus Siculus was a Greek historian of 1st century BC who wrote Bibliotheca Historica, a book describing various parts of the discovered world. The following lines are the English translation of Greek quoted by Gibbon from the book of Diodorus Siculus (Diodorus of Sicily) describing the 'temple' considered to be the the holiest in the whole of Arabia.
And a temple has been set-up there, which is very holy and exceedingly revered by all Arabians.[2]
It is interesting to know that Claudius Ptolemy of Alexandria, mathematician and astronomer, flourishing about a century after Pliny, undertook to make an atlas of the habitable world. He was not a descriptive geographer, and his book was intended to be no more than a commentary on his maps. He enumerated some hundred and fourteen cities or villages in Arabia Felix.
For example, Dumaetha, placed by Ptolemy just outside the northern boundary of Arabia Felix, must be the mediaeval Arabian Daumet, which is today the chief village of the great oasis of Jauf. Hejr, famous in the "times of ignorance" as the seat of a kingdom, and now Medayin Salih, is Ptolemy's Egra. His Thaim is Teima, now known for its inscriptions to have had temples and some sort of civilization as far back as 500 BC. It is the Tema of Job. In Lathrippa, placed inland from Iambia (Yambo), we recognize the Iathrippa of Stephan of Byzantium, the Yathrib of the early Arab traditions, now honoured as El Medina, the City of Cities.
Apart from this a place called Macoraba is also shown which is identified as Mecca (please refer to the map facing page 17 of reference . G E von Grunebaum says:
Mecca is mentioned by Ptolemy, and the name he gives it allows us to identify it as a South Arabian foundation created around a sanctuary.
You can belive that God has beggton sun , or he became a man , but still you can not belive that , God can not Help his prophet PEACE UPON HIM to Mecca, according to you , you said the IShmael was thrown out , who can he come back when he buried his father with his beloved brother PEACE BE UPON THEM .
"Further, the skin of water was not for the whole journey, but it is what Hagar was left with at the conclusion of the initial journey, when Abraham (as) left her and she then found the well of Zam Zam."masooma
