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chat with rag
« on: January 25, 2009, 05:35:47 PM »
[[[Hello, Pete!

May God grant the protection while in the world, and keep you and yours safe from harm.

I am writing because I wanted to point out another thing in the Bible:

"Mark 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and GAVE UP THE GHOST, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.
Luke 23:46...and having said thus, he GAVE UP THE GHOST.
John 19:30... he bowed his head, and GAVE UP THE GHOST."

What did Jesus give up?

The Ghost.

Where else is the Holy Ghost written about?
Luke 1:35, Mat. 1:18, Luke 12:10 ]]]

Hey my friend. May God bless you.
Sometimes our 21st century minds, reading 15th century English can give us the wrong idea. When we see something that is a little indistinct and is pretty clearly a Greek idiom or Hebraism or some such thing, it's best to consult a Textus Receptus Greek/English interlinear.

That particular 15th century ENGLISH idiom means died. But you probably already knew that.

Let's see how the Koina Greek is translated in the interlinear:
http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

(Greek/English Interlinear (tr) NT) Mark 15:39 idwn <1492> (5631) de <1161> {AND HAVING SEEN} o <3588> {THE} kenturiwn <2760> {CENTURION} o <3588> {WHO} paresthkwV <3936> (5761) ex <1537> {STOOD BY} enantiaV <1727> {OPPOSITE} autou <846> {HIM} oti <3754> {THAT} outwV <3779> {THUS} kraxaV <2896> (5660) {HAVING CRIED OUT} exepneusen <1606> (5656) {HE EXPIRED,} eipen <2036> (5627) {SAID,} alhqwV <230> o <3588> {TRULY} anqrwpoV <444> outoV <3778> {THIS MAN} uioV <5207> {SON} hn <2258> (5713) {WAS} qeou <2316> {OF GOD.}

"HE EXPIRED"

I don't usually stray outside of the KJV, in conjunction with the Greek/English interlinear, as I don't trust modern versions, but if it will help you with this particular idiom let's try a few:

(NKJV) Mark 15:39 So when the centurion, who stood opposite Him, saw that He cried out like this and breathed His last, he said, "Truly this Man was the Son of God!"

(NASB) Mark 15:39 When the centurion, who was standing right in front of Him, saw the way He breathed His last, he said, "Truly this man was the Son of God!"

(CEV) Mark 15:39 A Roman army officer was standing in front of Jesus. When the officer saw how Jesus died, he said, "This man really was the Son of God!"

(RSV) Mark 15:39 And when the centurion, who stood facing him, saw that he thus breathed his last, he said, "Truly this man was the Son of God!"


I understand your desperation to try to find some shred of Mohammed in God's Word, because otherwise you are stuck with the STAND-ALONE 6th century religion based on A SINGLE FALSE PROPHET who was, and taught, the exact opposite of Jesus and ALL of the prophets and apostles in the 1600 yera record of God to mankind.

It should be obvious that the only place we find Mohammed in the bible are in the verses that warn about false prophets. Even THE false prophet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4

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Re: chat with rag
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2009, 05:36:31 PM »
[[[Where else is the Holy Ghost written about?
Luke 1:35, Mat. 1:18, Luke 12:10

The Quran even illustrates the power of God entering into Jesus in the form of a bird: The Holy Ghost.
This is not a separate entity, for even Gabriel was messenger and escort for the Holy Ghost to Mary and Muhammad (pbut).

How sure am I that Gabriel is the Holy Spirit carrying the Holy Ghost?]]]

Sorry, the Spirit of God is His to give. The Comforter - the Holy Ghost - is God Spirit through Jesus Christ. In Jesus name.

[[[Mat. 1:18 "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."

Luke 1:19 "And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings."]]]

Sent to "speak unto thee". You are adding something that isn't there.

[[[Luke 1:26-27 "And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary."

Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called Son of God." ]]]

What translation did you get the above verse from?

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called THE Son of God.

As you can see, our translations are identical except for a single article.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4

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Re: chat with rag
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2009, 05:37:26 PM »
[[[Where else is the Holy Ghost written about?
Luke 1:35, Mat. 1:18, Luke 12:10

The Quran even illustrates the power of God entering into Jesus in the form of a bird: The Holy Ghost.
This is not a separate entity, for even Gabriel was messenger and escort for the Holy Ghost to Mary and Muhammad (pbut).

How sure am I that Gabriel is the Holy Spirit carrying the Holy Ghost?]]]

Sorry, the Spirit of God is His to give. The Comforter - the Holy Ghost - is God Spirit through Jesus Christ. In Jesus name.

[[[Mat. 1:18 "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."

Luke 1:19 "And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings."]]]

Sent to "speak unto thee". You are adding something that isn't there.

[[[Luke 1:26-27 "And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary."

Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called Son of God." ]]]

What translation did you get the above verse from?

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called THE Son of God.

As you can see, our translations are identical except for a single article.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUUXG0z0bPE

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Re: chat with rag
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2009, 05:38:08 PM »
[[[Luke 11:13 "If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"

Luke 12:10 "And whoseover shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven."

Holy Spirit: Messenger of God bringing the blessings of the Holy Ghost.

Now the Quran for confirmation. :)

Surah 16:102 "Say: The Holy Spirit has revealed it from thy Lord with truth, that it may establish those who believe, and as a guidance and good news for those who submit."]]]

So then I trust you don't believe Christians to be polytheist since you believe God has a Spirit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O31ud9yQjh4

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Re: chat with rag
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2009, 05:38:49 PM »
[[Surah 2:97 "Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel - for surely he revealed it to thy heart by Allah's command, verifying that which is before it and a guidance and glad tidings for the believers."

Pray on the meanings of John 14-16, who the Comforter and the spirit of Truth are, and how those messages were delivered.]]]

We don't have to pray on this one. The bible tells us specifically who the Comforter is:

John 14:26 But THE COMFORTER, [which is] THE HOLY GHOST, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

To suggest it is Mohammed is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASKzQChe77U

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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2009, 05:39:53 PM »
John 14:16-17 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."

John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father shall send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"

John 16:7-11 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged."

John 16:13-15 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

These both give reference from my interpretation to the Revelation and the Quran, of which the angel Gabriel gave witness to John and Muhammad (pbut) respectively. Now one (13-15) speaks of John and the Revelation given by Gabriel, the other (7-11) speak of Muhammad and the Quran given by Gabriel. Both are given in swapped chronological order though in all three chapters. The Revelation was given in 70-98 AD, the Quran in 610 AD.

Two different Spirits denote two different Messages: The Holy Ghost, the Comforter: Gabriel giving the Quran to Mohammad (pbuh). The Spirit of truth: Gabriel giving the Revelation to John (pbuh). Sources of information from God, though Jesus states plainly "whom the Father shall send in my name". Comforter comes from God: Uncorrupted Gospel. The Spirit of truth from God for Jesus: Revelation. Revelation 1:1 details how the message was given to John.

I do not send this to instigate aggression, but to show you the path I took that led me to the Quran as God's Final Testament. As I've said, I am not a guardian. I just know there is such fervor in your heart for Jesus, that if the Truth were made known to you, God willing, it would be a blessing to the world in the times ahead when we are to witness.]]]

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 [Even] THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom THE WORLD cannot receive, because it SEETH HIM NOT, neither knoweth him: but YE KNOW HIM; for he DWELLETH WITH YOU, and SHALL BE IN YOU.

How did the Apostles KNOW Mohammed 500 years before he was born?
How was Mohammed WITH the Apostles 500 years before he was born?
How was Mohammed IN the Apostles 500 years before he was born?

I don't have any aggression toward you my friend. Only pity. I can see how desperate you are to believe that Mohammed is not a false prophet, but he was, and taught, the PERFECT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ. You blaspheme Jesus at every turn. But the worst is that you reject the very blood that would save you from your sins, in favor of a 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.

If a single of these characterization (I left lots out) is incorrect please tell me which.

[[[I was a devout .......]]]

Devout perhaps. Saved, I can't see how if you turned to a false prophet based on the preposterous hogwash that you presented here.

[[[[......Baptist until I was shown the writings of L. Ray Smith, which put me on the righteous path according to the Gospel. He is acerbic and abrasive at times, but he is God's messenger and witnesses to those still under the deception of the Church.]]]

You are blithely following a false prophet, and worse, through men like the one that sucked you into a STAND-ALONE 6th century false prophet's religion.
Did you buy Deedat's foolish deceptions too?
Please see attached video:

[[[http://bible-truths.com/
http://bible-truths.com/lake7.html
http://bible-truths.com/trinity.html

Peace and blessings,

name witheld]]]

I'll pray for you, and your poor lost soul, my friend.

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDslsWDzPIc

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Re: chat with rag
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2009, 05:40:43 PM »
[[[If no crucifixion, there is no Christianity.]]]

EXACTLY. That's what makes Islam the PERFECT OPPOSITE.
Rejecting the WHOLE SUBJECT of the New Testament and the NEW COVENANT that was brought unto the Gentiles like you and I.

[[[I Cor. 15:17
When we die, we are resurrected into spirit. . I Cor. 15:42-45, Mark 12:45
Was Jesus dead? No. From his own mouth he was not reborn as a spirit. Luke 24:39
"Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father:" John 20:17
Jesus ate after the Crucifixion. John 21:13, Luke 24:42
Why seek ye the living among the dead? Luke 24:5]]]

How could you be so horrible deceived? Didn't you ever read the bible? What happened after Jesus returned from ascending to His Father?

Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

[[[Jesus did not die.

God is the best planner.
Surah 4:156-162, 170-173]]]

You quote Satan's manual to establish as to whether Jesus died or not?
Jhn 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

Pretty dead, my friend.
Do you see how PERFECTLY OPPOSITE Mohammed's satanic religion is yet? Why not take a trip to darfur, or Indonesia, or Nigeria my friend? The continuation of 1400 years of satanic filth:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/great_tribulation.htm

[[[It's understanding the Word of God; no desperation, I'm only hoping God opens your eyes.]]]

Don't you see that all you have presented is more hogwash? Whose eyes are closed? Over 12,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks, around the world, just since 9-11:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/great_tribulation.htm

"For in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." Mat. 15:9, Mark 7:9]]]

Indeed. And you're the one that is steeped in some satanic rantings of a guy named L. Ray Smith.
Is that were you got your warped ideas bout the Comforter? About the Spirit of Truth? Do you see how rapidly the Word of God, the Sword of the Spirit dispelled those foolish notions? Or do you even read what I quote?

[[[Worship God. Do not associate partners with God.]]]

Mark 12:29 ... The Lord our God is one Lord: ... 32 ... for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

Since it seems you're unfamiliar with the bible, why not start here:
Mark 12:29 ... The Lord our God is one Lord: ... 32 ... for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

[[[Peace and blessings]]]

To you to. And may God lead you out of the foolish indoctrination you exposed yourself too.

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/great_tribulation.htm#cult

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc3vcr_MQYM

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Re: chat with rag
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2009, 05:56:42 PM »
[[[Then how do you believe? :)]]]

What is this in reference to? That I worship one God?

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

[[[Worship God and God alone. Follow the teachings of His Prophets, even Jesus the Messiah. Love and forgive, even unto your enemies.]]

You mean like Mohammed's pillage, plunder, rape, theft, murder and bloody imperialistic conquest, though Mohammed himself was a coward in battle.

[[[ Charity, daily prayer.......]]]

I am instructed to: 1Th 5:17 Pray without ceasing.
Nothing about daily, but far more than that.
That describes a personal relationship with God, through the Holy Ghost, that you apparently never knew.

I am also instructed specifically NOT to pray like the heathen:

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

[[[...... and study of His Books. Be not arrogant, obey the Commandments, help the poor and the weak.]]]

Oh yea.... With "the spoils of war - booty."

[[[ Await the Messiah for Judgement Day.]]]

Who will be our judge?

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

[[[Both Books teach to worship only God.]]]

The Quran has deceived you into believing you worship God, but Mohammed's inspiration was clearly satan.

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

And just as that spirit of antichrist gripped Mohammed's soul, it has gripped yours, my friend:

2Thes 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall destroy...9 [EVEN HIM], WHOSE COMING IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because THEY RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth...

[[[ The Quran confirms the Truth amid the syncetistic doctrine.]]]

The Quran, and Mohammed are the PERFECT OPPOSITE. So much so that it should wake even an atheist from his slumber.

[[[You have been given clear proofs. I am not responsible for you, I only provided further proofs via the Scripture. Believe or believe not. I am only a messenger and warner before God's Judgement. I am not a guardian.

Peace and blessings.]]]

I'll pray for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4

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Re: chat with rag
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2009, 06:01:16 PM »
[[["How did the Apostles KNOW Mohammed 500 years before he was born?
How was Mohammed WITH the Apostles 500 years before he was born?
How was Mohammed IN the Apostles 500 years before he was born?"

It's the same message taught from Adam, Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus Christ: Worship God. Follow the teachings of His Prophets.

It all comes from God.

When I get to Judgement, I will ask Jesus (pbuh) if he knows me. :)

Peace and blessings.]]]

Have you noticed that God's Word refuted soundly every false premise that you were taught by your fellow antichrists, and yet you have not been able to lodge a single cognitive response to being slammed by God's Word?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4

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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2009, 06:39:36 PM »
[[Oh no, the Quran confirms the Truth. Worship God, associate no partners to Him. You won't know this until you pick up a Quran and read. I am not responsible for you.]]]

A Christian only needs A SINGLE VERSE from the Quran to complete his study and know that it is THE PERFECT OPPOSITE of Christianity. The EXACT OPPOSITE of the new covenant. Mohammed the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus. Indeed, to know that it is of satan:

Surah 4:157 That THEY SAID (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT:-

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be FALSE TEACHERS among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, AND BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.

Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R2Zp7T5XlA

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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2009, 06:59:49 PM »
[[["And why call ye Me, LORD, LORD, and do not the things which I say?" Luke 6:46

[[[Even Jesus stated numerous times to worship God and only God. Isa. 40:25; 45:5,7,12; 46:5
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am they fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Rev. 19:10]]]

But you don't have the testimony my friend. You reject the blood that would save you.

[[[Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."]]]

Why chase willy nilly around scripture?

[[[Jesus said God is one(1). For there is one God, and none other than HE. (In the singular) Mark.12:29,32]]]

You must not have been much of a Christian:
1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him:

John 10:30 I AND [MY] FATHER ARE ONE. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

[[[Use Scripture as Witnesses:
II Cor. 13:1, Matt. 18:16

God is not a man
I Sam. 15:29, I Tim. 2:5]]]

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

[[[ALL is of God.
Rom. 11:36, II Cor. 5:18, Heb. 2:10

Jesus did not say "I and the Father, We are one GOD," did He? John 10:30
I Cor. 8:5-7
"But not in all is there this knowledge"]]]

I showed that he did in the above verses as well as verses like:

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

[[[God calls Jesus His son:
Mat. 3:17, Luke 3:22, Mark 1:11, John 1:32

Jesus I never knew you.
Mat. 8:21-23]]]

Folks that work iniquity such as those who blaspheme Jesus Christ as yourself.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=220.0

[[[Follow not the traditions or doctrines of men:
Mark 7:8, Mat. 15:3, Mark 7:13, Col. 2:8, Gal. 4:3
John 7:17, Titus 1:9, Rom. 8:14-16]]]

Indeed an no shortage of that in the church today, just as there was among the pharisees. So where does that put someone who follows a STAND-ALONE 6th century false prophet? THE false prophet:

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

If you don't share the cowardice of your false prophet why not join me in the forum. We can quote each other and paste in live links and such. I have already put our conversation in there. You can use any user ID so you don't have to expose your YouTube ID:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=234.0

[[["For in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." Mat. 15:9, Mark 7:9

"To the law and to the testimony? If they do not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn." Isaiah 8:20

False prophets:
Mat. 8:15-20]]]

Indeed, yet you can't even see you are following Mohammed to your death.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[[[You will know them by their fruits:
Mat. 8:15-20, 1 John 2:22]]]

Indeed. 1400 years of imperialistic bloody conquest. The first jihad conquered nearly the whole known world until stopped in Tours France.
Over 12,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks, around the world, just since 9-11 in this second jihad.

]]]Persecution is reward for the believer in this world. Mark 13:13, John 15:18-22]]]

Indeed: A Christian martyr says "I will die for what I believe in"
A Muslim preposterously so-called martyr says "You will die for what I believe in"

[[[There is none good but one, that is, God.
Mat. 19:16-19

The Word of God:
The word of God is truth and this truth will set us free John 8:32]]

Yet you reject God's Word out of hand, for your preposterous precepts of men and your false prophet Mohammed, to join in the Islamic kingdom "beast" described in Revelation 13.

[[[Peace be unto you.]]]

May the Lord extend His pity unto you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE3Lpiv9kO8

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Re: chat with rag
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2009, 04:15:09 PM »
[[I'm in danger of Hellfire? and you call Islam barbaric for threatening with punishments of Hell?]]]

Your last note closed: "You're a fool."
I merely quoted God's Word on the subject. Again:

Mat 5:22...but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

[[[ Did you actually just call me an anti-Christ?]]]

It's not about what I call you.
It's what the Word of God calls you. Do you deny the Son of God?:

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

But God didn't limit it to labeling you an antichrist.

1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave of his Son.

He also made you a liar for rejecting the record that He gave of His Son. It isn't about what I say.

[[[ Go away. You're not worth my time. & stop trying to prove to me that everything you say is true and nothing else is,]]]

As I pointed out it isn't about what I say but what is revealed through the 1600 year record of God to mankind through ALL of the prophets and legions of witnesses.

But turning away from the truth of God's Word has always been Islam's way. That's why bibles are banned in Islamic countries. That's why Muslims that come to Christ are killed. That's why Mohammed prevents you from making friends with kuffar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhgpDfkLSME

[[[ I don't try and tell you the Quran is DEFINITELY true, not because I lack faith, in my eyes it is, but because it would make me look like an arrogant prick, exactly how you come off.]]]

I am pointing out that the bible warns repeatedly about false prophets and Mohammed was THE PERFECT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament and new covenant.

[[[ You have no proof that Christianity is true,]]]

Daniel predicted the Jews control of Israel in 1948, and Jerusalem in 1967, right to the years, in two parallel prophecies that span 2500 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdi8PzPWrb8
Text version:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/mathematical_precision_of_prophecy.htm

[[[I have no proof, Atheists have no real proof, so don't try and tell me you're bringing me the truth. ]]]

Either the Christians and Jews that follow the revelation of God to mankind through ALL of the prophets and legions of witnesses is true, or the 23 year record of A SINGLE 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament is true. Each of us must decide as our eternal life depends on it.

If a single of these characterization (I left lots out) is incorrect please tell me which.

Please see the video attached.

[[[You think you know about Islam when you don't have a clue, you make stupid assumations.]]]

A Christian only needs a single verse from the Quran to know that it is THE PERFECT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ and the WHOLE SUBJECT of the New TEstament and new covenant that we Gentiles received through Him. Here is the deadliest verse in the Quran:

Surah 4:157 That THEY SAID (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT:-

Mat 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation THROUGH FAITH IN HIS BLOOD, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

There is NOTHING AMBIGUOUS in those verses.

[[[ I could do the same about Christianity by believing the few quotes I gave you which I PURPOSELY took out of context, but I'm not that ignorant or stupid (I've read the entire Bible,]]]

But it's not the same at all. God's people have been following Him from Moses through Jesus and unto today. Mohammedanism was created by A SINGLE 6th century INDIVIDUAL that was and taught, THE EXACT OPPOSITE.

[[[ I know Christianity's a religion of peace,....]]]

And what about Mohammedanism? The imperialistic pillage, plunder, murder and sexual enslavement of the First Islamic Jihad conquered nearly the whole known world until stopped in Tour France.
The 12,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world just since 9-11 are simply a continuation of the 1400 year Islamic conquest of the non-Islamic world. The dar el salaam conquest of the dar el harb. Nothing new at all from the time Mohammed plundered his first caravan.

[[[.... 99% of my friends are Christian, so dealing with you isn't a problem, there are complete idiots in every religion,.....[[[

The body of Christ is made up of many parts. Your friends have already shown you, through themselves, the peace they enjoy from being filled with the Holy Ghost and having a life in Jesus Christ can bring. Think of me more like the slap upside the head and shake you by the lapels to wake you up guy, who is desperate that you could die tomorrow, that doesn't want you to march down Mohammed's path to perdition if you do.

[[[...... I think you're the first Christian idiot I've encountered, good job *rolls eyes*), so I'll leave you to rot in your narrow mind. Bye]]]

One must make a choice. One way is to consider the fruit. Look at your friends. Look at Christians around the world. How many are throwing rocks at mosques or synagogues? How many Muslims are throwing rocks at synagogues? How many Christians kill other Christians for becoming apostate? The very concept of it is so preposterous. Look at terrorism in India recently. Look at Indonesia:

In Indonesia 3 teenage girls were beheaded on their way to their Christian school and one head left on the steps of a Church. The note left behind reads: "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."

Or the Sudan:
"Once again, women are the targets. In mid-March, rebels assaulted three women gathering firewood and cut off their ears, lips, and breasts."
"Starting in 2003, Janjaweed Arabs, a Sudan-backed militia, have driven 2 million villagers from their homes in ethnic-cleansing attacks designed to suppress local rebels."

"Eyewitness accounts detailing the militia attacks are horrifying. "They killed my 3-year-old son right in front of my eyes," one father from West Darfur said. Since last fall, women have reported more than 500 rapes. Three women said five militiamen beat and raped them last August. The women said, "After they abused us, they told us that now we would have Arab babies. And, if they would find any [more] women, they would rape them again to change the color of their children.""

AP - December 06, 2006 MOGADISHU, Somalia - "Residents of a southern Somalia town who do not pray five times a day will be beheaded, an Islamic courts official said Wednesday, adding the edict will be implemented in three days."

Rape in Islam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V22qDQqMPL0

Marrying children:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-DA4WmfFWI

YouTube is full of imams spewing their venom of conquest of the kuffar, in mosques, even in England.

Even if you are peaceful who do you think your religion is being given over to? Who will prevail? The peaceful element or the Saudi style radicals that are financing Islam all around the world? If you lived in Dearborn Michigan you would know the answer, because once the Saudis came over and stayed in the mosque for a few weeks, the women went from about 5% wearing hijab to 95% wearing it. Even in operating room scrubs!

No my friend, you will play ball with the radicals, or get your head cut off as an apostate, and you know that in your heart of hearts.

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Re: chat with rag
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2009, 03:58:48 PM »
[[[["Why chase willy nilly around scripture?"

You call God's Commandments and following God's Word 'chasing around willy nilly'? Remember those words. :/]]]

You can't understand through proof texting verses, jerking them out of context, and mixing and matching. You have to consider each verse in it's context.

When you snatch a verse out of the old covenant from thousands of years ago and the way God chose to manifest Himself to His people, and then fast-foward in time to the New Testament, ignoring the new covenant, while ignoring the broad contexts, and historical realities, it is meaningless.

[[[["You must not have been much of a Christian:"
Mat. 7:1]]]

Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

I am willing to stand in judgment before my creator regarding a man that suggests he was a Christian and is now following the reprobate false prophet mohammed, who was THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ. Here's why:

Jhn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

And I know EXACTLY who will be my judge. The very same one that shed the blood that you reject:

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

You wouldn't be a Muslim if you had been a Christian, and your abuse of scripture has demonstrated it. Nor do I believe it possible for anyone to have ever been repentant and born again and then turn to the preposterous rantings of a 6th century illiterate that was the EXACT OPPOSITE. Attached is a good video series regarding the invention of Mohammedanism.

[[[["1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

The Bible has not been changed?]]]

It would be preposterous to suggest it has.
Over 5300 partial or complete manuscripts of Gods Word were penned prior to 300AD, in virtually every language that was known to man, that were read all over the known world.
To suggest it was tampered with would require that scribes from Syria, Babylonia, Galatia, Asia, India, Rome, Egypt, Greece, Carthage, Tarshish and Macedonia - to name a few - all made the same mistake, at the same time, for the same doctrinal purpose.
Preposterous notion.
watch?v=6R2Zp7T5XlA

[[[I John 5:7 - proven addition.]]]

Don't be ridiculous. It would be impossible to have done so. Here is the Textus Receptus Greek/English interlinear:

(Greek/English Interlinear (tr) NT) 1 John 5:7 oti <3754> {BECAUSE} treiV <5140> {THREE} eisin <1526> (5748) {THERE ARE} oi <3588> {WHO} marturounteV <3140> (5723) {BEAR WITNESS} en <1722> tw <3588> {IN} ouranw <3772> {HEAVEN,} o <3588> {THE} pathr <3962> {FATHER,} o <3588> {THE} logoV <3056> {WORD,} kai <2532> {AND} to <3588> {THE} agion <40> {HOLY} pneuma <4151> {GHOST;} kai <2532> {AND} outoi <3778> oi <3588> {THESE} treiV <5140> {THREE} en <1520> {ONE} eisin <1526> (5748) {ARE.}

[[[Acts 28:30 - proven addition.
"1 John 5:7 was only first inserted by the Church into the Bible in the year 400C.E.(Secrets of Mount Sinai, James Bentley, pp. 30-33)."
After the Council of Nicea.]]]

An absolutely preposterous notion. How would they have gone back and changed all the bibles in all of the languages in all of the known world? Utterly ridiculous.

[[[[Before Mohammad (pbuh) received the Word from God via Gabriel in 610.]]]

THE false prophet Mohammed received his words from satan:

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

The attached video can help you understand the origins of the preposterous book you follow.

How could you ever imagine that God would send a 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief. To teach THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and ALL of the prophets and apostles of the New Testament?

If a single of these characterization (I left lots out) is incorrect please tell me which.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

[[[Books were removed from the Bible. Look up the Wyclyfe translation.
Even Jesus spoke of Enoch.]]]]

Books were removed that proved themselves to be uninspired. That's how the bible was cannonized. Next you'll be promoting the gospel of barnabas which was a 16th century Mohammedan forgery.
Take the apocrypha that the Roman Catholics added much later in an anti-reformation effort. These HEBREW books the Jews never considered inspired. Neither did the church except for the Roman heretics that added them.

[[[[Show me where Jesus said 'Worship Me'. Show me.]]]

A preposterous question since that's the whole subject of the New Testament. Christians worship God the Father through His Son our Savior Jesus Christ. Our sins are washed by His shed blood. Didn't you ever read the bible?

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

[[[You wish to hold onto the pagan syncretism visited upon the by the carnal-hearted Church who chose mammon over God. So be it.]]]

Carnal hearted church?
Mohammedans have always sought to conquer and control satan's earthly kingdoms.
Christians are in the kingdom of God and specifically called out of these kingdoms.
Our heaven is not food and drink but joy in the Holy Ghost.
Mohammed's heaven? Rivers of wine, fruit, shade (I guess we would get a sun burn in heaven if it weren't for the shade) gushing water, even chickens!
A chicken in every pot!
All the things Mohammed's desert lacked. Even big eyed big buttox houras and resealable virgins to violate. To a Christian mohammed's heaven is an apt description of California, except the women in California are more fit than Moham's Houras.
But what about the poor women in Islam. The same short stick they receive in life.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/#women

Why not take a trip to the Sudan or Somalia and enjoy your Muslim brethren? Or Saudi Arabia and you can help them behead Christians. Or Nigeria, or......

Look at the reprobate Mohammed and all the wives and concubines to fornicate with. Carnal church? Ya right.

Please take a look at this video I uploaded recently on my other channel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb7wevMCjWE

A relationship through Jesus Christ is about the Word of God and the ecclesia. or "called out". Not about buildings, and men, that misunderstand where authority in the church resides.

[[[[You have been taught by God's Word to NOT follow the traditions of men. Mark 7:8, Mat. 15:3, Mark 7:13, Col. 2:8, Gal. 4:3
John 7:17, Titus 1:9, Rom. 8:14-16.]]]]

Indeed. I believed futurist doctrine for a dozen or so years, but the Lord saw to help me overcome that.

[[[Prove me I'm wrong about these traditions.]]]

How about these traditions:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/traditional_framework.htm#cults

Don't expect satan to be making waves in Islam. They are already in his back pocket. Just look at the Sunni and Shiite mutual slaughter.

[[[Or better yet, research these and see for yourself the true face of who you worship:
Nimrod - Semiramis - Tammuz: Original Trinity.
Origin of Christmas.
Saturnalia.
molech/baal - cherub tokens to denote sacrifice hung upon the evergreen.
Evergreen worship. (It's in the Old Testament if you'd like a start. Jer. 10:1-4)
Origin of Easter.
diana - moon goddess
horus/ra - sun god
Origin of Birthdays.
Council of Nicea.
Wyclyfe, Huss, Luthor and their fight against Church corruption.]]]

A good read on these subjects is "Pagan Christianity" by Frank Viola, I highly recommend it to you now. You would find it a very good read.
Too bad you didn't read something like that by a dear sweet every day saint and elder, rather than following a 6th century reprobate through the nonsense that was written a few hundred years after him, in an entirely different country.

[[[[You have no idea how deep this rabbit hole goes.]]]

Sure I do. One only needs to read Fox's or Martyrs Mirror to see how misunderstanding of authority in the church, and ignoring God's Word has taken much of the church.

You likely didn't quote the verse because it ruins your agenda. Let's look at it:

Mar 7:13 MAKING THE WORD OF GOD OF NONE EFFECT through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

See, my friend. THE WORD OF GOD STANDS.
That's why I rest on the Word of God.
You reject it, and the very blood that would save you, for a preposterously abrogated 23 year record of A SINGLE false prophet.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0
THE false prophet.

[[[[ If you like YouTube, watch these films if you dare find out who is involved, and how far they are taking it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfVBt83al2A
www.wakeupproject.com (The Arrivals)]]]

Masons? Illuminati? What has it to do with God's Word?
I understand globalism. I understand there are collected forces of evil. I understand their role as well as Islam's in this end-time drama that was perfectly prophesied.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/leopard_bear_lion_beast.htm
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/johns_eight_beasts.htm
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/scarlet_beast.htm

[[[[It has only been through long study, devotion, and prayer that I was shown the Truth;]]]]

I know the truth, my friend. I have the truth. You never did and still don't.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Islam today is as reprobate as it's false prophet was:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/great_tribulation.htm

[[[[[ thank God the All Knowing, Merciful, and Sovereign.

Peace be unto you,

name witheld]]]

Please do consider the attached video series. I watched it just last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JgdMQioMV4

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Re: chat with rag
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2009, 09:50:45 AM »

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Re: chat with rag
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2009, 09:51:22 AM »
[[["You wouldn't be a Muslim if you had been a Christian, and your abuse of scripture has demonstrated it. Nor do I believe it possible for anyone to have ever been repentant and born again and then turn to the preposterous rantings of a 6th century illiterate that was the EXACT OPPOSITE. Attached is a good video series regarding the invention of Mohammedanism. "

You've made your decision.

I sent the information to help you understand the true nature of religion in this world, as well as the deceit involved.]]]

And I fully agree that religion is the worst thing that ever happened to the ecclesia.
That's why I follow the Word of God and not the traditions of men.

But you instead follow yet another religion, in the tradition of A SINGLE 6th century FALSE PROPHET that was and taught THE EXACT OPPOSITE. Why is that? Do the people around you make you in the mosque make you feel important? The conquered kuffar?

[[[ However, your stance is set. I commend you on your conviction, and as we both know, there will be no excuses on Judgement.]]]

Indeed. The love of Jesus Christ, or the reprobate 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.

If a single of these characterization (I left lots out) is incorrect please tell me which.

And his preposterously abrogated mass of confusion:
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=116.0

Surah 24:33...Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, IF they would preserve their chastity. and if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be forgiving, Merciful.

But IF they dont want to preserve their chastity then pimp em out and make some cash!
And even IF you force them into prostitution Allah will forgive anyway!
What a convenient god!

Do you plan on pimping out your slave girls too?

[[[I offer only honest brotherly love and happiness to you and yours, and hope God grants you blessings and guidance on your walk of life.

Peace be unto you,

name witheld]]]

And to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdi8PzPWrb8

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Re: chat with rag
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2009, 09:52:40 AM »
[[[Help what?

You base your faith on Scriptures that have been tampered with. You won't even check it out. The onus of proof isn't in my court, it's in yours. If you don't believe the Scriptures have been added to or removed from, then prove I John 5:7 and
Acts 28:30 are in the original manuscripts.

Prove it.]]]

The burden of proof lies with the one that flies in the face of simple logic. How did they go back and change the hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of manuscripts that were already in circulation in virtually every know language in the world?

But you prefer to get lost in the margins and distract yourself with details to keep from facing the unpleasant truth.

The WHOLE SUBJECT of the New Testament is Jesus and the blood He shed for us. No matter how pop or bad a translation, this is what it is all about. Remission of sin was by blood in the old covenant too. That's what Solomon's temple WAS FOR.

You follow THE EXACT OPPOSITE. You are antichrist just as surely was Mohammed.

[[[Over 5300 partial or complete manuscripts of Gods Word were penned prior to 300AD, in virtually every language that was known to man, that were read all over the known world.
To suggest it was tampered with would require that scribes from Syria, Babylonia, Galatia, Asia, India, Rome, Egypt, Greece, Carthage, Tarshish and Macedonia - to name a few - all made the same mistake, at the same time, for the same doctrinal purpose.
Preposterous notion.
watch?v=6R2Zp7T5XlA


[[[You won't even look it up because you know in your heart the Truth. This will shake the very foundation you have based your faith on, and if that rug is pulled out from beneath you, then what of your faith?

You won't look into the syncretism (do you know what that word means?) You won't look into the corruption of the Church or who they truly serve. So why should I even bother with you? Honestly? You've chosen the path you wish to hold on to, I know your heart is covered, so I know you are firmly in the clutches of the deceiver. I can't make you leave, only God can.

You ever prayed to God? I don't mean Jesus (pbuh), I mean God, the Almighty. Ever ask Him to show you the Truth?]]]

Yes. I asked Him about my responsibility toward my Jewish friends whose lives revolve around their temples and their love of God. Within two weeks I had been powerfully led out of futurist eschatology, without even remembering my question, and realizing it was perfectly answered through hindsight at the prior two weeks.

[[[How do you think I found out the deceit and lies steeped in the GREAT WHORE and her harlot daughters?

Go on your path, I have no reason to speak to you and we are not friends. I hold no ill will toward you, I am just so saddened in times like these to see people who have the heart and soul to glorify God, and do God's will with a vengence, .......]]]

Well put:
In Indonesia 3 teenage girls were beheaded on their way to their Christian school and one head left on the steps of a Church. The note left behind reads: "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/great_tribulation.htm

[[[........and instead you worship a partner to God. :(
No disrespect to Jesus, only to the deceiver.]]]

Ya right. No disrespect to Jesus as you blaspheme Him:
Mat 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.

The wages of sin is death my friend. You have chosen to die wallowing in yours.

[[[ppI had to learn how to forgive the world before I could truly love the world as Jesus intended. I forgive you the things said to me,....]]]

Typically non specific.

[[[[....... and honestly Pete, I got a whole world of love in my heart for you, or I wouldn't still be speaking to you.]]]

That's why I spend 8 to 14 hours a day bringing the Gospel to Muslims.

[[[ I continue to hold out hope that God will take the blinders off your eyes and show you. ]]]

To follow A SINGLE reprobate false prophet that was and taught THE EXACT OPPOSITE of God? Does it really make sense to you that God would reveal Himself to us over a 1600 year record, and then 5 centuries later deliver THE EXACT OPPOSITE in A SINGLE MAN that was a filthy, lustful, murdering, child doing, thieving, reprobate?

Your prayers were answered by familiar spirits, just as the same deluded Mohammed in that cave.

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

[[[Again, I am not a guardian, and I am not responsible for you. God sends messengers and warners before Judgement, and I am only working to spread God's message of Love and Forgiveness.]]]

You are lost to your deceiving spirits my friend. You are filled with the spirit of antichrist. It has inverted your sense of right and wrong, good and evil.

[[[I've shown proof in Scripture Jesus did not die.]]]

Utterly preposterous. You have shown me no such thing. Just the level of literacy you share with your prophet. The whole subject of the new covenant.

Mark 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and GAVE UP THE GHOST, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.
Luke 23:46...and having said thus, he GAVE UP THE GHOST.
John 19:30... he bowed his head, and GAVE UP THE GHOST.

Jhn 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

[[[I've shown proof in Scripture to worship God and associate no partners to God.]]]

That partner stuff is sharing the same child like mind of your 6th century illiterate.

Mark 12...Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord 32 ... for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him:

I AM - YHWH - is God's name. Allah does not mean I AM in Arabic. Archaeological evidence suggests why there is a moon over your mosque.

John 10:30 I AND [MY] FATHER ARE ONE. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

John 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself THE SON OF GOD.

1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


[[[I've shown proof in Scripture that verses were added.]]]

A preposterous suggestion that is not shown.

[[[I've shown proof in Scripture that Books were removed.]]]

If removed at Nicea it's because they were deemed uninspired because they were with errors and/or historical mistakes. There were thousands of writings pre-Nicea that were not cannonized for the same reason.

[[[All through God's guidance because I asked God for the Truth.]]]

And don't even realize that what you found is a familiar spirit. Does your family have any history of spiritualism in the last few generations?

[[[Remember the words you sent to me; keep them sharp in your mind. Hold them up against the teachings of Jesus and ask if he would be proud of how we interacted.]]]

I interacted with the Word of God. Repentence means loving the things that God loves and hating the things that God hates. False prophets and even nicolaitians are among those things that God hates. I love Muslims. That's why I devote myself to bringing them the truth.

[[[ Hold them up against the lessons he taught, as well as those of the Prophets before him, and ask if you are truly acting in love or in hatred. ]]]

Love of persons. Hatred of the evil that surrenders them into satan's grasp.

[[[If you still feel justified, then carry on your course.]]]

It isn't about what I "feel". That's what happened to the "church". It is about what God says:

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be FALSE TEACHERS among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, AND BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE SON OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave of his Son.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:...

Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

[[[ If you do not feel Jesus would approve, then change for him.
He was a sign and a mercy from God, and I am thankful God chose to send Jesus to us.]]]

You reject the very blood that would save you. You call that grateful?

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation THROUGH FAITH IN HIS BLOOD, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[[[Until you offer proofs that the two verses were not added, don't bother contacting me. ]]]

The truth of God resides in the verses above. That you now wish to run and hide from them is the same reason that bibles are banned in Muslim countries and Christians are beheaded and Muslim "apostates" that find the love of Jesus Christ are killed.

[[[Your words are not there to change my heart, they are only showing me, and the world, who your god really is: the deceiver, the son of perdition, the dragon, the serpent, satan.]]]

But he is exactly who you have surrendered your heart to.
You can't even see the 1400 year fruit of Islam.

[[[[ I love God with all my heart, and I will gladly accept death at the hands of men because I do not respect nor fear what kills the body.]]]

Was that intended to be tongue in cheek?
I'm sorry, but you have it backwards my friend. It is Muslims who murder Christians, not the other way around. Are you living in a bubble?
Why not go to Saudi Arabia and help them behead Christians?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Or Indonesia:
In Indonesia 3 teenage girls were beheaded on their way to their Christian school and one head left on the steps of a Church. The note left behind reads: "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."

Think you'd be a Muslim if that was your daughter?

[[[ I respect and fear that which can kill the body and soul.]]]

No you don't or you wouldn't have left the truth.
Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

But then about 75% of so-called Muslim "converts" in the U.S. leave Islam within 3 years, so maybe there's hope for you too.

[[[The onus of responsibility is in your lap now.

Peace and blessings,

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« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2009, 11:07:31 AM »
[[[Maybe this will help.

http://bible-truths.com/trinity.html]]]

Even Muslims believe that God has a Spirit.
By the measure you apply to Christians this simply makes you a polytheistic hypocrite.

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« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2009, 11:08:57 AM »
[[[Go on your path, I have no reason to speak to you and we are not friends.]]]

By the way. I well understand this. But just because Mohammed prevents you from befriending the kuffar doesn't mean that I can't befriend you.

Sura 5:51 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your FRIENDS AND protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And HE AMONGST YOU THAT TURNS TO THEM (FOR FRIENDSHIP) IS OF THEM. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for FRIENDS...
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for FRIENDS;...

Mohammeds reason is obvious. The same reason bibles are banned in Islamic countries. The same reason Muslim "apostates" that love Jesus are beheaded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4

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« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2009, 11:11:41 AM »
[[[Go on your path, I have no reason to speak to you and we are not friends.]]]

By the way. I well understand this. But just because Mohammed prevents you from befriending the kuffar doesn't mean that I can't befriend you.

Sura 5:51 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your FRIENDS AND protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And HE AMONGST YOU THAT TURNS TO THEM (FOR FRIENDSHIP) IS OF THEM. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for FRIENDS...
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for FRIENDS;...

Mohammeds reason is obvious. The same reason bibles are banned in Islamic countries. The same reason Muslim "apostates" that love Jesus are beheaded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4

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« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2009, 11:12:17 AM »
[[[Maybe this will help.

http://bible-truths.com/trinity.html]]]

Even Muslims believe that God has a Spirit.
By the measure you apply to Christians this simply makes you a polytheistic hypocrite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O31ud9yQjh4

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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2009, 09:03:55 AM »
[[["That's why I follow the Word of God and not the traditions of men.

Do you celebrate Christmas?]]]

I do celebrate the birth of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

[[[ Easter?]]]

And His crucifixion, death and resurrection that saves me.

[[[[ Birthdays?]]]

I would have thought you could stay within the bounds of reason, but it is just too irresistible to stray, isn't it? You divert your effort into a semantic point to try to move the discussion away from the real subject at hand. The central core of which is, of course the WHOLE SUBJECT of the New Testament and new covenant, that you reject, which is Jesus' shed blood.

By traditions of men I would have, of course, thought that you would understand that it was in reference to religious doctrine, since that is the subject at hand. Even might have realized it a vague reference to the very rebuke that Jesus gave the Pharisees, using the term "tradition" and all. But I guess that was perhaps asking a little too much.

[[[Go to church on Sunday?]]]

I have not found an ecclesia home since I was called out of the "church" a couple of years ago.

[[[If you answered 'no' to all of the above, then you are truly not following the traditions of men and I commend you. However, if you do, understand you worship the deceiver in disguise.]]]

If you had ever been a Christian you would understand that a relationship with God is about the condition of one's heart, not about trying to please Him through things we do in the flesh. Will God condemn folks who attend church on Constandine's Sunday, rather than on Saturday? Do you believe that is a gotcha from God? Will God condemn us for celebrating the birth, and resurrection of His Son our Savior Jesus Christ, no matter the day we do it on?
What you have done is fully assumed the inverted sense of right and wrong, good and evil that being filled with the spirit of antichrist brings, my friend.

This from a guy whose Sunday is on Friday that follows A SINGLE 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.

If a single of these characterization (I left lots out) is incorrect please tell me which. And lots more: http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=115.0

Does it really make sense to you that God would give us a 1600 year record through ALL of the prophets and legions of witnesses, and then turn around 500 years later and give us the PERFECT OPPOSITE in the person of Mohammed, and in the preposterous 23 year record that he channeled from satan?

The above is a copy and paste but I couldn't help but notice that you seem powerless to refute a single one of the above characterizations.
I'll give you an opportunity to defend Mohammed from the above charges before I read forward in your PM. Let's explore this STAND-ALONE "PROPHET" that authored your STAND-ALONE 6th century religion, that you outright reject the only person to have ever been born of a virgin, by the will of God, for.

Let's start with illiterate. Well I guess there is a point we can agree on!
Perhaps a miracle to Muslims, but illiteracy is not a miracle to most reasonable people. If it were, then perhaps south-central LA could be considered one of the most miraculous places in the U.S..
Even Mohammed wished he was literate. Perhaps it was an IQ related difficulty.

Next pillaging. Did Mohammed pillage? Caravans for openers? Or the First Jihad? Let's take a look at the title to sura 8.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4

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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2009, 10:08:26 AM »
"[[["That's why I follow the Word of God and not the traditions of men.

Do you celebrate Christmas?]]]

I do celebrate the birth of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

[[[ Easter?]]]

And His crucifixion, death and resurrection that saves me.

[[[[ Birthdays?]]]

I would have thought you could stay within the bounds of reason, but it is just too irresistible to stray, isn't it? You divert your effort into a semantic point to try to move the discussion away from the real subject at hand. The central core of which is, of course the WHOLE SUBJECT of the New Testament and new covenant, that you reject, which is Jesus' shed blood.

By traditions of men I would have, of course, thought that you would understand that it was in reference to religious doctrine, since that is the subject at hand. Even might have realized it a vague reference to the very rebuke that Jesus gave the Pharisees, using the term "tradition" and all. But I guess that was perhaps asking a little too much.

[[[Go to church on Sunday?]]]

I have not found an ecclesia home since I was called out of the "church" a couple of years ago."

You worship satan. It is very clear now.

Send me the link to your forum site again.]]]]]]]]]


I sent a reply with a link to this thread, but it did not go through as rag blocked me before I sent it.
We were having a discussion in a YouTube where I copied and pasted some verses from the hadith and apparently that was the last straw.

Also I had begun a point by point of the moral life of Mohammed and he knew what road we would be heading down.

I will paste the rest of his post that accompanied the above, as well as a last one that followed.

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« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2009, 10:13:37 AM »
If you answered 'no' to all of the above, then you are truly not following the traditions of men and I commend you. However, if you do, understand you worship the deceiver in disguise.

"But you instead follow yet another religion, in the tradition of A SINGLE 6th century FALSE PROPHET that was and taught THE EXACT OPPOSITE. Why is that? Do the people around you make you in the mosque make you feel important? The conquered kuffar?"

Again, you don't know me and prove your racism in your profiling. I am disappointed. :(

FWIW, I don't go to mosques or churches; both Christianity and Islam have suffered from the additions and traditions of men. I follow the Quran and the Bible as instructed by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

You seem to like videos. I will share some where I have found Truth. Feel free to watch them if you wish so you may better understand.

What does the Quran say about the Bible:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4cybPoAi5M&feature=channel

"Indeed. The love of Jesus Christ, or the reprobate 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament."

Reprobate, pillaging, pludnering, murdering, child doing, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief are all wrong.

Stop quoting hadiths. :P

Surah 24:33 "And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste, until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And those of your slaves who ask for a writing (of freedom), give them the writing, if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealk of Allah which He has given you. And compel not your slave girls to prostitution when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail goods of this world's life. And whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
Notes from Maulana Muhammad Ali translation: "It is related that 'Abd Allah ibn Ubayy, the leader of the hypocrites, kept slave-girls for prostitution (Rz). Prostitution, which seems to have prevailed before the advent of Islam in Arabia, is condemned here. But this curse has obtained an incredible prevalance in the whole of Christendom, and is legalized in many countries of Europe as a 'necessary evil', while in others it is openly connived at.
The US calls itself a Christian Nation, yet legalizes prostitution, abortion, drug use, and sends thousands to die and kill even more.
Is this according to the teachings of Jesus?
You are making me wonder if you can read, since these slave-women who wish to keep chaste yet are compelled by hypocrites to work 'the oldest business known to man'. What does the final sentence state: "And whoever compels THEM, then surely after THEIR compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

"Do you plan on pimping out your slave girls too?"

Your hatred spills from your heart like a toxin, and I am troubled by the conflict within you. I only ask that you pray to God to remove this hate from your heart, and to show you how to love and forgive all, instead of those you choose. :)

Even Muslims believe that God has a Spirit.
By the measure you apply to Christians this simply makes you a polytheistic hypocrite.

Believers dont worship the blessings and enlightenment sent from God which is also known as the Holy Ghost according to Scripture. :P

By the way. I well understand this. But just because Mohammed prevents you from befriending the kuffar doesn't mean that I can't befriend you.

It has nothing to do with the Quran; it has everything to do with how you befriend people. If your coarse and vulgar words, your outbursts and yelling, as well as the general disrespect you hold towards anyone who doesnt follow your belief is how you treat friends, then I feel sorrow for them. :(

I dont like to be around rude people. Religion holds no compulsion to me on avoiding hateful, angry people. :P

The burden of proof lies with the one that flies in the face of simple logic. How did they go back and change the hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of manuscripts that were already in circulation in virtually every know language in the world?

They didnt change the original manuscripts. You should try reading your Bible preface sometime, especially the Kings James Version.

The WHOLE SUBJECT of the New Testament is Jesus and the blood He shed for us. No matter how pop or bad a translation, this is what it is all about. Remission of sin was by blood in the old covenant too. That's what Solomon's temple WAS FOR.

The whole subject of the New Testament is about Gods love and mercy, and how Jesus was sent to us as a Prophet and as the Messiah.

Then again, according to your own words on the Old Testament "in no way imply God's tacit approval", so you can easily dismiss the Commandments, no? For what did Jesus tell us in Mat. 22:37-38 Jesus said unto him, Though shalt love the Lord thy God with all they heart, and with all they soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. Even Jesus stated later in Mat.

Jesus did not die, God answered his prayers, and your faith is counterfeit.

You wont even research the facts, so youll be blinded by your own righteousness. :(

I love Jesus, and show I believe in him by following his teachings. I know he is the Messiah and I do not deny it. It is a tenet of faith for believers to do so. I believe Jesus suffered terribly during the crucifixion. Yet if Jesus had the obedience and love to follow God, even though he knew what was coming, how inspiring is that! :D

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Mat. 5:17

What did the Prophets teach?
What was the law they followed?

Who was Jesus sent for? Mat. 15:24.
Who are the Children of Isreal. When you find that out, youll be very pleasantly surprised. :D (Hint: Children of Isreal arent necessarily Jewish.)

Yes. I asked Him about my responsibility toward my Jewish friends whose lives revolve around their temples and their love of God. Within two weeks I had been powerfully led out of futurist eschatology, without even remembering my question, and realizing it was perfectly answered through hindsight at the prior two weeks.

Do you think your Jewish friends who worship God and follow the righteous path wont get into Paradise?

Ya right. No disrespect to Jesus as you blaspheme Him:
Mat 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.
The wages of sin is death my friend. You have chosen to die wallowing in yours.

Nope. I worship God and only God. I do not associate partners to Him. I work hard to instill the teachings of the Prophets, most especially the teachings of Jesus, so God knows Im not paying lip-service and truly want to serve Him in my heart. Weve gone through the list, but I can send it again if you wish.

To follow A SINGLE reprobate false prophet that was and taught THE EXACT OPPOSITE of God? Does it really make sense to you that God would reveal Himself to us over a 1600 year record, and then 5 centuries later deliver THE EXACT OPPOSITE in A SINGLE MAN that was a filthy, lustful, murdering, child doing, thieving, reprobate?

Again, you quote hadith: oral traditions of men.
Find this in the Quran if you can. :P

That's why I spend 8 to 14 hours a day bringing the Gospel to Muslims.
Please then, practice what you preach. (Direct reference to the teachings of Jesus.)
How can anyone think your faith to be true if you do not uphold the teachings? How can you tell a man or woman something to the extent of HAI U R PEDOS & WIFE BAETRZ LOLZ, YER PROPHUT IZZA LIAR, I KNOW CUZ CNN TOLE ME. CONVERT BISHES LULZ.MY FAITH ITZ TEH PWNZORZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111oneoneoneoneoneoneleven.
Thats how you come across, no matter how proper your grammatical form. :/

To follow A SINGLE reprobate false prophet that was and taught THE EXACT OPPOSITE of God? Does it really make sense to you that God would reveal Himself to us over a 1600 year record, and then 5 centuries later deliver THE EXACT OPPOSITE in A SINGLE MAN that was a filthy, lustful, murdering, child doing, thieving, reprobate?

Your prayers were answered by familiar spirits, just as the same deluded Mohammed in that cave.

First, do not blaspheme the Holy Ghost, the spirit of God that sends His teachings, enlightenment, and blessings through His servants.

Second, what do you mean the opposite of God? You talk of Jesus but do not follow his teachings, so what are the teachings of God that are so opposite? Would not the title opposite sit firmly in your lap with the words that spill from your lips in direct violation of the teachings of Jesus?

Do I worship God and only God? Yes, yes I do, inshaAllah.
Do I follow the teachings of Gods Prophets? Yes. Yes I do, inshaAllah.
Do I ask for guidance and for forgiveness when I stray and work harder to follow the righteous path. Yes. Yes I do, inshaAllah.

God is truly Merciful and Gracious. :)

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Best. Church. EVER! I love the fellowship with my brothers and speaking of the Quran and Bible whenever possible. This is one facet of faith where I truly find hope for the world. :D

Mark 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and GAVE UP THE GHOST, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.
Luke 23:46...and having said thus, he GAVE UP THE GHOST.
John 19:30... he bowed his head, and GAVE UP THE GHOST.

John 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

Im work as a Surgical Assistant for a living, while working on my degree in Art in what little free-time I possess. One thing we learned about early on is the cardiovascular system. The engine is its heart and the veins are the freeways of our oxygen enriched/depleted blood.
One thing every person who ever works in Medicine (most especially Surgery) knows, when the heart stops, blood stops. Its a cold fact of life. When the heart stops beating, blood immediately begins to pool where gravity pulls it.
You know what happens when a dead body is cut or pierced? Not much. Blood doesnt rush forth; more like a slow ooze if any blood is left in the flesh.
Even newly dead bodies fall prey to this cycle of life. When the hearts stops, blood stops. And the state of decay begins as the body returns to the dust from whence we came.
So when I read forthwith do you think slowly oozing or congealing blood? Even the dictionary states: forth-with: At once; immediately. Doesnt sound like a dead body, does it? As a member of the medical community, I can say with assurance that Jesus exhibited vital signs of the living because his blood and plasma came out at once, immediately.

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« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2009, 10:14:14 AM »
For their saying: We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah, and they killed him not, nor did they cause his death on the cross, but he was made to appear to them as such. And certainly those who differ therein are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge about it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for certain: Surah 4:157

he was made to appear to them as such.

For in God, are not all things possible?

How long was Jesus on the cross? 3 hours. Mark 15:25, John 19:14
Death by crucifixion is a long process. Even the thieves were alive when taken down and their legs broken.
Jesus did not have his legs broken.
Even Pilate didnt believe Jesus was dead in such a short time. Mark15:44

Mark 12:29 Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord 32 ... for there is one God; and there is none other but he.

Very true! There is only one God, and none other but God!
For if we look to Jesus, do we not see Gods love of mankind, and the teachings of Gods love and forgiveness?
Of course God and Jesus are one, just as we are one with God if we worship only God!
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world my believe that thou hast sent me.
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that though hast sent me, and hast loved them, as though hast loved me. John 17:21-24

Starting to understand what Jesus meant by being one with God?

And don't even realize that what you found is a familiar spirit. Does your family have any history of spiritualism in the last few generations?

Please do not attack my family or their good name. All that is good in me is from God. All the mistakes are my own.

I interacted with the Word of God. Repentence means loving the things that God loves and hating the things that God hates. False prophets and even nicolaitians are among those things that God hates. I love Muslims. That's why I devote myself to bringing them the truth. Love of persons. Hatred of the evil that surrenders them into satan's grasp.

Then why do you disrespect those you profess to love? Your words, even recently spoken as quoted above, do not contain one tittle of love for me or my family. :(
Does God hate anyone, truly? Only those who truly turn away from Him.
Psalm 5:5, Psalm 11:5, Lev. 20:23, Prov. 6:16-19, Hos. 9:15

It isn't about what I "feel". That's what happened to the "church". It is about what God says:

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be FALSE TEACHERS among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, AND BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE SON OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave of his Son.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:...

Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

I agree there are false prophets. I agree the False Prophet of Revelation is on his way to serve the needs of the son of perdition.

One major tenet of faith for a believer and a muslim, one who submits to God and only God, is the belief in Jesus, that he was sent from God to Mary, and that he is the Messiah. We do not deny Jesus is the Christ. We dont deny he was put up on the cross.
We just know Jesus didnt die because God told us he didnt die.
Everything in my last paragraph is in the Quran.
The Quran even demonstrates Gods spirit investing Jesus with power. (Mat. 3:17, Luke 3:22, Mark 1:11, John 1:32 Scripture reference.)
And (make him) a messenger to the Children of Isreal (saying): I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I determine for you out of dust the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird with Allahs permission, and I heal the blind and the leprous, and bring the dead to life with Allahs permission; and I inform you of what you should eat and what you should store in your houses. Surely there is a sign in this for you, if you are believers. Surah 3: 49

We also do not follow the tenet that Jesus was the offspring of God. God is not a man to perform copulation with a woman to beget a son. God produced Jesus in Marys womb. She said: My Lord, how can I have a son and a man has not yet touched me? He said: Even so; Allah creates what He pleases. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, Be, and it is. Surah 3:47

Jesus is son of God the way we are also sons and daughters of God.
Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Dont start sputtering; of course through Christ! Did not God send down the Gospel in Jesus? Did not Jesus teach to worship God and only God? Did not Jesus teach a doctrine of love, forgiveness, charity, and obedience?

Saying I believe Jesus died on the cross and accept him as savior does not get you into heaven. You have to believe in Jesus, that he was sent by God to us, that he is the Messiah, and to take his teachings and incorporate them into your life. That includes following the Commandments. (See verse quoted above as well as the previous verses sent to you in earlier missives: Matt. 28:10, Mat. 19:16-19, Exodus 20:3, Luke 6:46, Isa. 40:25; 45:5,7,12; 46:5

No sects, no division. As with Abraham to Moses, from Jesus to Muhammad (pbut), so are those who worship God and only God. Welcome to the life of a believer. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UWXm6QaMdE&feature=channel

And the Jews say, The Christians follow nothing (good), and the Christians say, The Jews follow nothing (good), while they recite the (same) Book. Even thus say those who have no knowledge, like what they say. So Allah will judge between them on the day of Resurrection in that wherein they differ. Surah 2:113

The truth of God resides in the verses above. That you now wish to run and hide from them is the same reason that bibles are banned in Muslim countries and Christians are beheaded and Muslim "apostates" that find the love of Jesus Christ are killed.

It is sad to see how the world continues to reject God. :(
Run and hide? No, I am done with people who hold anger and viciousness in their hearts. I am but a messenger and warner who precedes Gods Judgement. If God wills I am to suffer your anger and hate, then inshaAllah, I will do as God wills. :) He surely is helping me study the Quran and Bible, so continue as you feel you must. This is fantastic spiritual exercise and I give thanks and glorify God for it! Praise God, the All Knowing! :D

For many are the plans in a mans heart, but it is the Lords will that prevails. :)

[[[[ I love God with all my heart, and I will gladly accept death at the hands of men because I do not respect nor fear what kills the body.]]]

Was that intended to be tongue in cheek?
I'm sorry, but you have it backwards my friend. It is Muslims who murder Christians, not the other way around. Are you living in a bubble?
Why not go to Saudi Arabia and help them behead Christians?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Or Indonesia:
In Indonesia 3 teenage girls were beheaded on their way to their Christian school and one head left on the steps of a Church. The note left behind reads: "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."

Think you'd be a Muslim if that was your daughter?

Tongue in cheek? Oh no. I have a firm belief I will suffer severe persecution at the hands of men who think they worship God but do not, or by men who follow the son of perdition. Its coming, and soon. Im excited! :D

If that were my daughter would I be a muslim? Would I submit to God or be a Muslim? Know the difference?
The dwellers of the desert say: We believe. Say: You believe not, but say, We submit; and faith has not yet entered into your hearts. And if you obey Allah and His Messenger, He will not diminish aught of your deeds. Surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Surah 49:14 Maulana trans.
The desert Arabs say, We believe. Say, Ye have no faith; be ye (only) say, We have submitted our wills to Allah, for not yet has Faith entered your hearts. But if ye obey Allah and His Messenger, He will not belittle aught of your deeds: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful Surah 49:14 Yusif Ali trans.

The slander of Muhammad in Islamic hadiths:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQXWsnvVyW0&feature=channel

The Nation of Islam is full of fools and hypocrites, as is the Church of Christianity and Temples of Judaism. Many will hold to the teachings, yet not truly believe in their hearts. Others follow the traditions given to them by those who came before them. Does it mean they truly believe if they do not follow the will of God?

Nope.

Dont get me wrong; if something happened to my child, I would be heartbroken! How could anyone not get upset if their offspring dies! I dont doubt there would be harsh words and anger towards God, yet I dont know what Gods plans are, so who am I to rail against God when He may have well done such a harsh deed to serve His purpose?

I would still be a believer. I pray to God that I am not put to that test, inshaAllah. Yet I would take comfort and solace in knowing my child died a believer, and will meet me again in Paradise, where no harm may befall again.

The Quran and Islam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MIgLAsOSMA&feature=channel

What does the Quran say about hadiths:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-KIJpiTjKg&feature=channel

No you don't or you wouldn't have left the truth.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

But then about 75% of so-called Muslim "converts" in the U.S. leave Islam within 3 years, so maybe there's hope for you too.

I doubt it. I love God, and have found the righteous path. I pray I may die a believer because I truly understand now. I am not surprised people leave Islam though, as you will understand soon.

[[[I had to learn how to forgive the world before I could truly love the world as Jesus intended. I forgive you the things said to me,....]]]
Typically non specific.

But true. God is Love. :D

Accept God. God is Most Forgiving.

Mankind is a single nation. Surah 2:213

Peace be unto you,
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Re: chat with rag
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2009, 10:19:39 AM »
"The above is a copy and paste but I couldn't help but notice that you seem powerless to refute a single one of the above characterizations.
I'll give you an opportunity to defend Mohammed from the above charges before I read forward in your PM. Let's explore this STAND-ALONE "PROPHET" that authored your STAND-ALONE 6th century religion, that you outright reject the only person to have ever been born of a virgin, by the will of God, for"

You cannot refute my claims nor God's authority, nor have you in any of the letters we've discussed in. So after proving in the Quran Mohammad (pbuh) was none of this, you make false claims. You won't even be polite and do the research for the issues I've discussed, so I see no need to continue this charade.

You say you are putting these up on your forums. Really? Send the link. I want to see if you are telling truth. :)

Reread Surah 8 again and try to understand what it is telling you. You exasperate me sometimes, God must be trying to teach me patience.

Peace be unto you,

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