Chat with YouTube 777 - Feb to Mar 2011

[Peter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf1cwr_gcsk

worthyisthelamb247 2 months ago      
IF YOUR TRYING TO CLAIM A FULFILLED PROPHESY THAT JESUS CHRIST, MESSIAH, LORD AND SAVIOR FULFILLED.

      ARE YOU TRYING TO CLAIM muhd WAS THE MESSIAH?

      PROVE YOUR muhd WAS A PROPHET.

      NO MUSLIM CAN EVEN PROVE muhd WAS A PROPHET!

777 2 months ago
Is Muhammad a prophet or a messiah? Muhammad made it very clear in his teachings that he was not the Messiah. He was a prophet who brought Allah's revelation to the people


Hans021220 2 months ago      
There is absolutely no single verse in The Bible telling about Mohammed or Islam!


hrharmer 1 week ago      
Wooo... the first moslem's terrorist, the rapist, the looter's name ... in the Bible? What's incredible! Could you help me to find Hitler or Polpot's name too? Sincerely from me: non Jew non Christian


PeteWaldo 21 minutes ago      
Pure fiction. Jews & Christians recognize the prophet like unto Moses was a MESSIANIC prophecy. Confirmed in Jesus Christ.

      John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

      Regarding the Baca=Mecca foolishness why not read the very next verse?

      84:7 They go from strength to strength, [every one of them] IN ZION appeareth before God.

      watch?v=eLsniG47IO8

      Mecca is 1200 KM away


PeteWaldo 8 minutes ago
 Abraham DISOWNED Ishmael

      Gen 21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman SHALL NOT BE HEIR WITH my son, [even] with ISAAC.

      Gen 21:12 ... for IN ISAAC shall thy seed be called.

      Even Yahweh Himself no longer recognized Ishmael as a son of Abraham

      Gen 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, THINE ONLY [SON] ISAAC, whom thou lovest....

      watch?v=V0VnWjnoZDM

      Regarding the Paran nonsense

      watch?v=Xh5E--IlCKk


PeteWaldo 1 minute ago      
@Hans021220 Verses re Muhammad and his Islamic kingdom (beast).

      Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

      But Mohammed even came as a ravening wolf.

      Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

      Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

      watch?v=8dejfJNF2_s

[Peter]

On 2-14, 7770 sent the following video

[[[[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCeARSt1oOo ]]]]

2-15
I received your video, and concur that there is indeed one God, because that is what the Gospel teaches.
Mark 12:29 ... The Lord our God is one Lord: ... 32 ... for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/

Now could you please tell me on WHAT BASIS you reject the historically and geographically perfectly plausible, and accurate, and evermore archaeologically confirmed, account of Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael found in scripture?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh5E--IlCKk

[Peter]

2-15

In The Name of God The Most Gracious The Most Merciful

6:(161) Say: "Verily, my Lord hath guided me to a way that is straight,- a religion of right,- the path (trod) by Abraham the true in Faith, and he (certainly) joined not gods with God."

I know that the Torah OT and The Gospel NT teaches that there is only one true God and he is the God of Abraham , Isaac , Jacob , Moses , Jesus .

but the most important thing , do u believe that there is only one True God and he is the God of Jesus ?!

Abraham is widely regarded as the Patriarch of monotheism and the common father of the Jews, Christians and Muslims. Through His second son, Isaac, came all Israelite prophets including such towering figures as Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon and Jesus. May peace and blessings be upon them all. The advent of these great prophets was in partial fulfillment of God's promises to bless the nations of earth through the descendents of Abraham (Genesis12:2-3).Such fulfillment is wholeheartedly accepted by Muslims whose faith considers the belief in and respect of all prophets an article of faith.

Was the first born son of Abraham (Ishmael) and his descendants included in God's covenant and promise? A few verses from the Bible may help shed some light on this question;

1) Genesis 12:2-3 speaks of God's promise to Abraham and his descendants before any child was born to him.

2) Genesis 17:4 reiterates God's promise after the birth of Ishmael and before the birth of Isaac.

3) In Genesis, ch. 21. Isaac is specifically blessed but Ishmael was also specifically blessed and promised by God to become "a great nation" especially in Genesis 21:13, 18.

4) According to Deuteronomy 21:15-17 the traditional rights and privileges of the first born son are not to be affected by the social status of his mother (being a "free" woman such as Sarah, Isaac's mother, or a "Bondwoman" such as Hagar, Ishmael's mother). This is only consistent with the moral and humanitarian principles of all revealed faiths.

5) The full legitimacy of Ishmael as Abraham's son and "seed" and the full legitimacy of his mother, Hagar, as Abraham's wife are clearly stated in Genesis 21:13 and 16:3. After Jesus, the last Israelite messenger and prophet, it was time that God's promise to bless Ishmael and his descendants be fulfilled. Less than 600years after Jesus, came the last messenger of God, Muhammad, from the progeny of Abraham through Ishmael. God's blessing of both of the main branches of Abraham's family tree was now fullfilled. But are there additional corroborating evidence that the Bible did in fact foretell the advent of prophet Muhammad?

Please read :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf1cwr_gcsk

[Peter]

2-16
You completely ignored my question. Why don't you try it again and I will add another question to help clarify the first.

1. On WHAT BASIS - that is through WHAT EVIDENCE - do you reject the historically and geographically perfectly plausible, and accurate, and evermore archaeologically confirmed, account of Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael found in scripture?
2. On WHAT BASIS - that is through WHAT EVIDENCE - do you believe that Mecca ever even existed before the 4th century AD?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq8VOZbuu-Q

[Peter]

(you can skip reading this post as I quote it in my reply so you would be reading it twice)

2-16
Hi .

I understand u now , u are talking about mecca (Bekka) and the kaaba , ok .

well , u know that Abraham peace be upon him sent Hagar and Ishmael to Paran ,

Let us look at the following Verses: "Then God opened her [Hagar] eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink. God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer. While he was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt. At that time Abimelech and Phicol the commander of his forces said to Abraham, "God is with you in everything you do. (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 21:19-22)"

Hagar was an Arab. Abraham peace be upon him had Ishmael from her, who was 13 years older than Issac. After Sarah, Abraham's wife gave birth to Issac, Abraham decided to let Hagar and her son Ishmael go. He sent to the desert of Arabia in the region of Paran.

Then GOD Almighty promised Ishmael that from him, He will increase his numbers and make from him a great nation, the Arab nation; "And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 17:20)"

The Bible clearly says that Paran is south of Sinai in Egypt; "He said: 'The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones from the south, from his mountain slopes.' (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 33:2)"

Kedar came from Ishmael; "These are the names of the sons of Ishmael, listed in the order of their birth: Nebaioth the firstborn of Ishmael, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, and Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa, Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah: These are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes according to their nations. Kedar and Ancient Arabs (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 25:13)" The Arabian desert region was named after Kedar. See the second map below.


http://www.answering-christianity.com/map_paran.gif

Also , Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed that the stone was sent down by God Almighty to Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael, peace be upon both of them, to give the precise location of where the Kaaba was to be built by them. We believe that Prophets Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba. Western Scientists have confirmed that the black stone, which resides near the Kaaba in the Holy City of Mecca, is an outside METEORITE OBJECT!

HEAR WHAT THEY SAY :

http://www.answering-christianity.com/black_stone_sent_is_meteorite.mp3


is this enough evidence my brother/sister , may God bless u ?


NOTE : [ please focus in the black stone audio]

Thank u .

[Peter]

2-17

[[[[I understand u now , u are talking about mecca (Bekka) and the kaaba , ok .

well , u know that Abraham peace be upon him sent Hagar and Ishmael to Paran ,

Let us look at the following Verses: "Then God opened her [Hagar] eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink.]]]]]

So where did this happen?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh5E--IlCKk

[Peter]

2-17

[[[[Let us look at the following Verses: "Then God opened her [Hagar] eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink. God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer. While he was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt.]]]]

Hagar lived almost a thousand years before the first caravan route was ever established along the Red Sea. Are you suggesting that Hagar wandered 1,000 kilometers across harsh, barren, unexplored, uncharted Arabian desert, a thousand years before anybody else is recorded as having made that trip along the Red Sea, and then picked up a woman in Egypt for Ishmael and wandered back the 1,000 kilometers to Mecca?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq8VOZbuu-Q

[Peter]

2-17

[[[[Kedar came from Ishmael; "These are the names of the sons of Ishmael, listed in the order of their birth: Nebaioth the firstborn of Ishmael, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, and Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa, Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah: These are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes according to their nations. Kedar and Ancient Arabs (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 25:13)" The Arabian desert region was named after Kedar. See the second map below.]]]]

Didn't you ever Google the location of the names of those towns? NONE of them were within 1,000 kilometers of Mecca.

[[[[ http://www.answering-christianity.com/map_paran.gif ]]]]

The map at this link is as stupid as it looks.
Didn't you ever Google the location of the Wilderness of Paran? It is located in the Northern Sinai and across into the TransJordan border. NOT WITHIN 1,000 kilometers from where Mecca was eventually built in the 4th century AD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh5E--IlCKk

[Peter]

2-17

[[[[The Bible clearly says that Paran is south of Sinai in Egypt; "He said: 'The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones from the south, from his mountain slopes.' (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 33:2)"]]]]]

Please Google Sinai and Seir and Mount Paran. NONE within 1,000 kilometers of where Mecca was eventually built in the 4th century AD.

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1085.0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE

[Peter]

2-17

[[[[Also , Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed .......]]]]]

Muhammad also claimed that he rode on a flying donkey-mule from Mecca to Jerusalem, to "paradise" and back to Mecca by morning. Why do you suppose that there were no witnesses to this flying steed? Why do you think so many of his followers left Islam after he told this tale?

What temple in Jerusalem did he tie his baraq up to and go inside of to pray?

http://www.petewaldo.com/mohammeds_night_journey.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twwVjrhagL0

[Peter]

2-17

[[[[Also , Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed ......]]]]

He also claimed that the Quraish pagan Arabian jinn-demon worship ritual of the Sa'ee was of God. Even some of Muhammad's closest followers hated to do the Sa'ee because they knew it was a pagan jinn worship ritual.

Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2.158) (Sahih al-Bukhari 2 Book 26 710)
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah

Indeed Muslims joined the pagans shoulder to shoulder in their pagan ceremonies until the year before Muhammad's last Hajj, when the pagans got kicked out of their own ritual.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 365:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
On the Day of Nahr (10th of Dhul-Hijja, in the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Abu Bakr was the leader of the pilgrims in that Hajj) Abu Bakr sent me along with other announcers to Mina to make a public announcement: "No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year and no naked person is allowed to perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba. Then Allah's Apostle sent 'All to read out the Surat Bara'a (At-Tauba) to the people; so he made the announcement along with us on the day of Nahr in Mina: "No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year and no naked person is allowed to perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfWy5KaFvbU

[Peter]

2-17

[[[[Also , Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed ......]]]]

You see, everything you believe, you believe contrary to the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind purely because Muhammad claimed it. A self-proclaimed prophet with no fulfilled prophecy and many false prophecies, that not a single person ever heard his "Allah" or Gabriel give a "revelation" to, who never even performed a single miracle.
Why do you suppose none of the other prophet had to proclaim themselves to be so? Because they WERE prophets.

[[[[...... that the stone was sent down by God Almighty to Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael, .........]]]]]

The truth is that Muslims don't know what to believe, do they? Some say that the stone was sent down to Adam and that he built the first Kaaba. Some say before the beginning of mankind. Do you know the reason nobody can get their stories straight?

ALL of the Islamic "tradition" regarding Mecca before the 4th century AD, is CREATED FICTION of 7th and 8th century SW Arabian desert dwellers, without reference to ANY ACTUAL HISTORICAL RECORD that preceded the 4th century AD.

History isn't something that a bunch of guys sit down and decide to create thousands of years AFTER the fact. Do you know what the ACTUAL HISTORICAL RECORD tells us about the Kaaba?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1133.0

[[[[[........ peace be upon both of them, to give the precise location of where the Kaaba was to be built by them. We believe that Prophets Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba. Western Scientists have confirmed that the black stone, which resides near the Kaaba in the Holy City of Mecca, is an outside METEORITE OBJECT!]]]]

Most likely from the Wabar crater near Oman. Since it broke into pieces it may have been a glass ball that was formed from the sand and heat of the crater. Other such objects are found that float on water. The black stone arrived in Mecca by way of Yemeni immigrants in the early 5th century, who had settled the area around the 4th century AD.

Meteorite worship has been a bad habit of mankind from long before the time that Muslims started prostrating themselves to the Quraish's black stone idol 5 times a day. Stone fetishes were popular throughout all of the kaabas scattered around Arabia.

There was a "red stone", the deity of the south Arabian city of Ghaiman, and the "white stone" in the Kaaba of al-Abalat (near the city of Tabala, south of Mecca).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaaba#Before_Islam

Would you like me to tell you about the one true God YHWH, Yahweh, as He revealed Himself through scripture?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slLBam06iyg

[Peter]

2-17 (from pete)

"Allah's" people. "Allah Akbar!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKWBr2CLFjY

[Peter]

(you can skip reading this post as I quote it in my replies so you would be reading it twice)

2-18

Important Note:

We worship GOD Almighty in the direction of His Grand Temple/House. We never worship the Temple/House itself. The Bible's Prophets in the Bible also had a "House of GOD Almighty" that they worshiped Him in. Also, the Jews' wailing wall today is a similar example to the Muslims' Kaaba, where the Jews pray to GOD Almighty facing the wall. The Bible also says:

"I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)"

GOD Almighty's Holy Temple in Islam is the Kaaba in Mecca.

Mecca, Bacca and Paran:

Let me paste for you the following Verses from the Bible and the Noble Quran:

"Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them. Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. (From the NIV Bible, Psalms 84:5-6)"

"The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings: In it are signs manifest; (for example) the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith Allah stands not in need of any of his creatures. (The Noble Quran, 3:96-97)"

"And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is. Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation. And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink. And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer. And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt. (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 21:17-21)"



More Verses on Paran:

"Then the Israelites set out from the Desert of Sinai and traveled from place to place until the cloud came to rest in the Desert of Paran. (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 10:12)" Here the desert of Paran means the region of Paran, which would be either at or near Mecca.

"After that, the people left Hazeroth and encamped in the Desert of Paran. (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 12:16)" Here the desert of Paran means the region of Paran, which would be either at or near Mecca.

"So at the LORD's command Moses sent them out from the Desert of Paran. All of them were leaders of the Israelites. (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 13:3)"

"These are the words Moses spoke to all Israel in the desert east of the Jordan--that is, in the Arabah--opposite Suph, between Paran and Tophel, Laban, Hazeroth and Dizahab. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 1:1)"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP-gpT9o3fg
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Second message on the 18th

Paul in the book of Galatians and the most recent Archeological Discoveries suggest that Mount Sinai is in Saudi Arabia and NOT in Egypt's Sinai desert:

Recent archeological discoveries along with Paul's own words in Galatians 4:25 clearly suggest that Mount Sinai is located in Saudi Arabia. This means that Paran being south of Mount Sinai clearly means that it is the Holy City of Mecca as I showed u in my previous message:

The Bible clearly says that Paran is south of Sinai in Egypt; "He said: 'The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones from the south, from his mountain slopes.' (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 33:2)"

This verse is elaborated on further above. Now, let us first look at Galatians 4:25, then the archeological evidence:

"Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. (From the NIV Bible, Galatians 4:25)"


EVEN THE CHRISTIANS SCHOLARS PROVES THAT

LOOK AT THE CHRISTIANS WEBSITE :


http://carm.org/why-isnt-there-any-record-millions-jews-wandering-desert



I'm not lying , if u didn't believe us the muslims than believe the christians scholars .


FAIR ENOUGH ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Emka9_CtY

[Peter]

2-26

[[[[We worship GOD Almighty in the direction of His Grand Temple/House. ]]]]]

Yahweh had his people build His temple in Jerusalem. 1200 kilometers away from where Mecca was eventually built in the 4th century AD.
The Kaaba in Mecca was built for pagan Arabian sun, moon, star and jinn-demon worship in the early 5th century AD.

You can copy and paste proof texted verses on Paran until you are blue in the face, but it will never move Mecca one inch closer than 1,000 kilometers to the Wilderness of Paran.

So the question remains. How did Hagar and Ishmael wander 1,200 kilometers from Hebron to Mecca, 900 years before the first caravan ever made the trip, and about 1500 years before Mecca was ever even established?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0WgIjl9Cbo

[Peter]

2-26

[[[Let me paste for you the following Verses from the Bible and the Noble Quran:

"Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them. Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. (From the NIV Bible, Psalms 84:5-6)"]]]]

Is your mind that broken from the repetitive prayers of the heathen? I already asked you if you ever even read the very next verse.

84:7 They go from strength to strength, [every one of them] IN ZION appeareth before God.

ZION, ZION, ZION, that is Jerusalem.
You are simply copy and pasting the stupidity of another. Why don't you try thinking for yourself for a change?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLsniG47IO8

[Peter]

2-26

[[[[Recent archeological discoveries along with Paul's own words in Galatians 4:25 clearly suggest that Mount Sinai is located in Saudi Arabia. ]]]]]

By either reckoning of Mt. Sinai it is STILL 1,000 KILOMETERS AWAY FROM MECCA. Do you know how to read a map?

http://www.historyofmecca.com/geography_mecca.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4ZAH6r8vHg

[Peter]

2-26

How do you explain that there is NOT A SHRED of historical or archaeological EVIDENCE that suggests that Mecca ever existed before pagan immigrants settled it in the 4th century AD?
This even though other ancient Arabian cities are very well attested in the archaeological and historical records.
Please explain this since there should be more history of Mecca than any other city in Arabia.

There are over a million artifacts of Jerusalem just on display, yet for Mecca, the supposed EPICENTER of Muhammad's religion since Adam - NONE.
How can this be?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE

[Peter]

2-27

Hi .

Let me put Your Question (( there is NOT A SHRED of historical or archaeological EVIDENCE that suggests that Mecca ever existed before pagan immigrants settled it in the 4th century AD? ))

My Answer is : There is alot of historical and archaeological EVIDENCE that Mecca existed before pagans .

one of these proofs is , the black stone , Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed that the stone was sent down by God Almighty to Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael, peace be upon both of them, to give the precise location of where the Kaaba was to be built by them. We believe that Prophets Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba. Western Scientists have confirmed that the black stone, which resides near the Kaaba in the Holy City of Mecca, is an outside METEORITE OBJECT! .

LISTEN :

http://www.answering-christianity.com/black_stone_sent_is_meteorite.mp3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Emka9_CtY
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Second reply on 2-27

Watch This Evidence :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IpAgI7VWgs

[Peter]

2-28

[[[[[Let me put Your Question (( there is NOT A SHRED of historical or archaeological EVIDENCE that suggests that Mecca ever existed before pagan immigrants settled it in the 4th century AD? ))

My Answer is : There is alot of historical and archaeological EVIDENCE that Mecca existed before pagans .

one of these proofs is , the black stone , Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed that the stone was sent down by God Almighty .........]]]]]

That's the whole point! The ONLY reason that you believe the black stone moon god idol that the Quraish brought from Yemen was sent down by Muhammad's "Allah", is BECAUSE MUHAMMAD SAID SO.

HOW IS THAT EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING?

[[[[[......... to Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael, peace be upon both of them, to give the precise location of where the Kaaba was to be built by them. We believe that Prophets Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba.]]]]]

Why do you believe that?
BECAUSE A BUNCH OF 7TH AND 8TH CENTURY SW Arabian desert dwellers claimed that was so.
HOW DID THEY KNOW WHAT WENT ON THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE?

[[[[ Western Scientists have confirmed that the black stone, which resides near the Kaaba in the Holy City of Mecca, is an outside METEORITE OBJECT! .]]]]

Men have venerated meteorite objects since our early beginnings. You bowing toward a meteorite is nothing new.

Do you understand that all that you told me is that you reject ALL of the prophets and witnesses of Yahweh AS REVEALED through the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind, to follow Muhammad.
And the only reason you do is because the SINGLE self-serving, self-proclaimed false prophet Muhammed told you to.

[[[[LISTEN :

http://www.answering-christianity.com/black_stone_sent_is_meteorite.mp3]]]]]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq8VOZbuu-Q

[Peter]

2-28

[[[[Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed that the stone was sent down by Allah Almighty to Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael, peace be upon both of them, to give the precise location of where the Kaaba was to be built by them. We believe tha... ]]]]]

On the basis of what historical or archaeological EVIDENCE from BEFORE THE 4TH CENTURY AD do you base this belief?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfWy5KaFvbU

[Peter]

2-28

[[[[[[[[[Let me put Your Question (( there is NOT A SHRED of historical or archaeological EVIDENCE that suggests that Mecca ever existed before pagan immigrants settled it in the 4th century AD? ))

My Answer is : There is alot of historical and archaeological EVIDENCE that Mecca existed before pagans .

one of these proofs is , the black stone , Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed that the stone was sent down by God Almighty .........]]]]]

THE FACT IS that the black stone was a Quraish idol that Muhammad adopted, and then adapted, to Islam to keep the pagans interested. Even some of his closest followers hated engaging in the Sa'ee because they recognized it as being pagan Arabian demon worship.

Asem told us that he said to Uns bin Malek, a companion of Mohammed, "You were hating to encompass around the Safa and Marwa." He answered, "Yes, because it was one of the pagan rites of Jahiliyah until Allah gave a verse that the Safa and Marwa are the rites of Allah. If one makes the Hajj to the Kaabah, he must encompass them. The person has no sin when he encompass them. (Sahih al-Bukhari, 2, page 171)

Muhammad's grandfather Abdel Mutaleb dug the well of zamzam to establish Hajj around the most venerated priest and priestess of the Arabian jinn religion, who were fabled to have committed fornication inside the Ka'aba, and so "Allah" turned them to stone and their idols were placed on Al-Safa and Al-Marwah.
The pagans ran back and forth between Safa and Marwah just like you do.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah

That is what the HISTORICAL EVIDENCE tells us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfWy5KaFvbU

[Peter]

2-28

The FACT IS that Muhammad's followers joined the pagans shoulder to shoulder in circumambulation of the Kaaba, and veneration of the Quraish's black stone idol, until the year before Muhammad's last Hajj when the pagans were kicked out of their own ritual.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 26, Number 689:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
In the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Allahs Apostle made Abu Bakr the leader of the pilgrims, the latter (Abu Bakr) sent me in the company of a group of people to make a public announcement: 'No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year, and no naked person is allowed to perform Tawaf of the Kaba.'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq8VOZbuu-Q

[Peter]

3-1

In The Name of God The Most Gracious The Most Merciful

14:(35) Remember Abraham said: "O my Lord! make this city one of peace and security: and preserve me and my sons from worshipping idols.
(36) "O my Lord! they have indeed led astray many among mankind; He then who follows my (ways) is of me, and he that disobeys me,- but Thou art indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

Than i have to proof to u that the Quran is the words of God .

Please watch and tell me who told Prophet Muhammad about this before 1400 years when there was no technology ?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkiVGxOuR_I

[Peter]

3-2

You seem to be suggesting that yet another lie you have been told, is somehow expected to stand in for thousands of years of non-existent history of Mecca, prior to the 4th century AD.

Regarding the seas not mixing this was known at least as far back as the time of Aristotle.
http://www.islam-watch.org/Amarkhan/Miracles-of-Quran-Exposed.htm#15

Please note the attached video that I just uploaded. I would appreciate your comments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJODE7Q2KcM