Chat with YouTube 777 - Feb to Mar 2011

[Peter]

3-2

ok another Miracle :

Who Told Prophet Muhammad about this before 1400 years when there was no technology ?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waBn-39zGbQ

[Peter]

3-3

[[[[Who Told Prophet Muhammad about this before 1400 years when there was no technology ?!]]]]]

So then I guess no comment on the Islamic "beast" video.
And still not a shred of evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD when pagan Arabians settled it, and built their kaaba in the early 5th century for moon, sun, star and jinn-demon worship.

The sky doesn't disintegrate. The phenemenon the Quran is referring to is day changing into night. Often there is a rose colored SKY at sunset. Surely you can see the sheer stupidity required for someone to suggest that the quoted verse in the Quran refers to a nebula.

You are wasting your time my friend. You could die TODAY. You are asking the wrong questions. The question you should be asking is who told the false prophet Muhammad to proclaim the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, over 600 years after the scriptures were closed?

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE SON OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:

ONE MUST CHOOSE
Between the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind, through ALL of His prophets and witnesses, that His people have followed through 2 covenants for 3500 years.

Or ONE 7th century SW Arabian desert dweller who was and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ who your own books reveal as an imperialistic murdering, prisoner raping, thief.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9FYYo5EINU

[Peter]

3-3

[[[[Who Told Prophet Muhammad about this before 1400 years when there was no technology ?!]]]]]

So then I guess no comment on the Islamic "beast" video.
And still not a shred of evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD when pagan Arabians settled it, and built their kaaba in the early 5th century for moon, sun, star and jinn-demon worship.

The sky doesn't disintegrate. The phenemenon the Quran is referring to is day changing into night. Often there is a rose colored SKY at sunset. Surely you can see the sheer stupidity required for someone to suggest that the quoted verse in the Quran refers to a nebula.

You are wasting your time my friend. You could die TODAY. You are asking the wrong questions. The question you should be asking is who told the false prophet Muhammad to proclaim the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, over 600 years after the scriptures were closed?

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE SON OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:

ONE MUST CHOOSE
Between the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind, through ALL of His prophets and witnesses, that His people have followed through 2 covenants for 3500 years.

Or ONE 7th century SW Arabian desert dweller who was and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ who your own books reveal as an imperialistic murdering, prisoner raping, thief.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9FYYo5EINU

[Peter]

(you can skip reading this post as I quote it in my replies so you would be reading it twice)

3-5

Brother/sister , u start making a videos and alot of comments and messages on this matter (the kabba , mecca , black stone , Jihad)
and u forget the most important thing in our life .
The most important message of Islam is the absolute Unity of God-that there is only One Supreme Being who has no partners and is not dependent on anyone or anything. He is the creator of everything and the whole universe is under His control. Since the total submission of one's will to God represents the essence of worship, Islam is the worship of God alone and the avoidance of worship directed to any person, place or thing other than God. In essence, Islam calls man away from the worship of creation and invites him to worship only its Creator.

God is the only one deserving man's worship as it is only by His will that prayers are answered. Hence prayers to the non-living such as the sun, fire, and to humans whether they be Jesus, Moses or even Muhammad are rejected, as God informs us in the opening chapter of the Qur'an, known as Soorah Al-Faatihah, verse 4: "You alone do we worship and from you alone do we seek help."

A Muslim believes that God and His creation are distinctly different entities. Neither is God His creation or a part of it, nor is His creation Him or a part of Him. Ultimately, it is the belief that the essence of God is everywhere in His creation or that His divine being is or was present in some aspects of His creation, which has provided justification for the worship of creation. Islam, hence, is a clear call to the worship of the Creator and the rejection of creation-worship in any form.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBSeIf-ylPU

[Peter]

3-6

[[[[Brother/sister , u start making a videos and alot of comments and messages on this matter (the kabba , mecca , black stone , Jihad) .......]]]]]

To conclusively prove to you that the only reason you prostrate yourself to the Quraish's black stone idol 5 times a day, is because you follow what I demonstrated is PROVABLY nothing more 7th and 8th century fiction written by a bunch of semi-literate SW Arabian desert dwellers.

The only thing you brought to substitute for thousands of years of history of Mecca is Muhammad discussing a red sunset and other poppycock - no archaeology and no history. You brought worthless tripe. THERE IS NO HISTORY OF MECCA prior to the 4th century AD so PROVABLY, Yahweh the God of the Bible, has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam.

Indeed Muhammad even invoked his alter-ego "Allah's" curse on Yahweh's people as someone who practices voodoo might.

Surah 9.30 The JEWS call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the CHRISTIANS call Christ THE SON OF ALLAH. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. ALLAH'S CURSE BE ON THEM: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

But that's likely because Muhammad and his family were so into the occult.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1784.0

This is reinforced by Islam being the EXACT OPPOSITE of Christianity. This is how we can know that Muhammad was inspired by Satan. Satan through his prophet Muhammad instilled in you what to DISbelieve. To deny the whole purpose of the Messiah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4

[Peter]

3-6

[[[[and u forget the most important thing in our life .
The most important message of Islam is the absolute Unity of God-that there is only One Supreme Being ........]]]]

That isn't the message of Islam. That is the concept that Yahweh's people have followed for 3500 years since He first began to reveal Himself to mankind.
Muhammad plagiarized it from the Jews that he used to buy verses from the Torah from.
How can you be so ignorant as to what the Jews believe that you believe that somehow Muhammad invented monotheism?

http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_14_The_Anti-Semite.Islam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0VnWjnoZDM

[Peter]

3-6

[[[[.....who has no partners and is not dependent on anyone or anything. He is the creator of everything and the whole universe is under His control. Since the total submission of one's will to God represents the essence of worship, .......]]]]

That is the essence of slavery. Muhammad's followers are slaves of Satan. Satan and his prophet Muhammad, and his followers after him, kept slaves and still keep slaves.

I am a son of God - He is my Father.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=611.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=610.0

John 1:9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

This is how we praise and begin a relationship with Him.

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.

It's about loving our Creator through a relationship with Him.

31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. 32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

A relationship with Yahweh, through His Messiah Yeshua is specifically NOT about engaging in pagan rituals and blathering on in the vain repetitions of the heathen.

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

You REJECT the Son of God. That makes you an antichrist.

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:

And now that you have been shown the truth, and still reject the Son of the Living God you will be judged on that basis.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4rtYAO3UxA

[Peter]

3-6

[[[[........ Islam is the worship of God alone .......]]]]

That's false. You follow Muhammad's lies through the father of the lie - Satan. Islam is the worship of Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" and his "messenger" while prostrating oneself to the Quraish's pagan idol 5 times a day. Even circumambulating it and running back and forth between Safa and Marwah the way the pagan Arabian jinn-demon worshipers did.
Muhammadans reject the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind to follow Muhammad's own law, and Muhammad's pagan repackaged pagan rituals. Muhammad even switched his Qibla from Jerusalem to Mecca, and switched his Sabbath, or "Holy" day to Friday, to spite Yahweh's people.
Your worship has nothing whatsoever to do with Yahweh and everything to do with Satan because you deny the blood that would save you. There is ONLY ONE WAY for a Gentile to be saved in this new covenant era.

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: NO MAN cometh unto the Father, but by me.

[[[[...... and the avoidance of worship directed to any person, place or thing other than God.]]]]

That is how Satan causes you to reject the Messiah and the new covenant He ushered in.

[[[[ In essence, Islam calls man away from the worship of creation and invites him to worship only its Creator.

God is the only one deserving man's worship as it is only by His will that prayers are answered. Hence prayers to the non-living such as the sun, fire, and to humans whether they be Jesus, .......]]]]]

So when did Jesus die or join the "non-living" according to Islam?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUUXG0z0bPE

[Peter]

3-6

[[[[...... Moses or even Muhammad are rejected, as God informs us in the opening chapter of the Qur'an, known as Soorah Al-Faatihah, verse 4: "You alone do we worship and from you alone do we seek help."]]]

Since the Quran is a poorly assembled collection of an antichrist 7th century SW Arabian desert dweller you need to reject that Satanic tripe altogether. There is no lesson in the Quran of value, that is not contained in Yahweh's Word.

[[[[A Muslim believes ........]]]]]

A Muslim believes what Muhammad told you to believe. That is the beginning and end of it. PERIOD. You REJECT Yahweh as revealed through ALL of His prophets and witnesses as revealed through His 1600 year record, to follow Muhammad. PERIOD. What does that make you?

1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.

What does that make your Greek sophist styled antichrist liars like Deedat and Naik?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDslsWDzPIc

[Peter]

3-6

[[[[..... that God and His creation are distinctly different entities. Neither is God His creation or a part of it, nor is His creation Him or a part of Him. Ultimately, it is the belief that the essence of God is everywhere in His creation or that His divine being is or was present in some aspects of His creation, .........]]]]

Why do you feel a need to lecture me as if I were an atheist? Haven't you ever read the Gospel? If you believe God is omnipresent why do you prostrate yourself to the pagan Quraish Kaaba to pray to Him?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

If not why would a literate person not take it upon himself to read it? Here's the most widely accepted English version.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm

For an Arabic version you can go here
http://www.arabicbible.com/
Even an audio version
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt_audio.htm

Don't try to give me that nonsense about the Gospel being corrupted. In the 7th CENTURY after the bible had been translated into perhaps as many as a hundred languages, and copied perhaps a hundred thousand times, Muhammad declared...

Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

So were Muhammad and His "Allah" just too ignorant to know about the corruption that modern Muslims claim?

[[[[......... which has provided justification for the worship of creation. Islam, hence, is a clear call to the worship of the Creator and the rejection of creation-worship in any form.]]]]

Islam is a clear call to prostrate oneself to the Quraish's black stone idol and engage in pagan Arabian jinn-demon worship.
My friend, now that you have been shown the truth it is up to you to receive it or reject it. YOU COULD DIE THIS VERY DAY. Are you ready to stand before the Son of God in judgment?

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

The Lamb of God whose blood you deny?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK3Rgcw5lDw

[Peter]

3-6

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua_%28name%29#Etymology

"Among the Jews of the Second Temple Period, the Biblical Aramaic/Hebrew name יֵשׁוּעַ Yeshua‘ was common: the Hebrew Bible mentions several individuals with this name. This name is a feature of biblical books written in the post-Exilic period (Ezra, Nehemiah, and Chronicles) and was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Strong's Concordance connects the name יֵשׁוּעַ Yeshua`, in the English form Jeshua (as used in multiple instances in Ezra, Nehemiah, and 1 and 2 Chronicles), with the verb "to deliver" (or, "to rescue").[5] It is often translated as "He saves," to conform with Matthew 1:21: "She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins" (NASB).[6]"

Why do you suppose it is that the Messiah's Hebrew name "Yeshua" or originally "Yahshua" means "Yahweh saves" delivers or rescues?
This is the very purpose of the Messiah and the new covenant He ushered in.
What do you suppose you and I need rescue from more than anything else, my friend?

http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK3Rgcw5lDw

[Peter]

3-6

I made a record of our exchange so you can review it in it's entirety. The nice thing about the forum is that things can be much better organized than in this dark alley of personal messaging. You will see our discussion is available at a glance and the forum search function is great for finding key words.

We can quote each other, and as you can see at the link all of the links we post you simply have to click on. This helps avoid wasted time with repetition because posts so easily become history in this PM format.

Please join me there if there are more questions you have.
Particularly join me there if you find A SINGLE SHRED of historical or archaeological EVIDENCE that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD when pagan immigrants from Yemen settled it, and built their Kaaba in the early 5th century for Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-demon worship. You can ignore me and this question all day long, but you have been shown the truth, and it is Yahweh - the ONE and ONLY living God the Father that you are ignoring now.

Simply copy and paste this link.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2384.0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfWy5KaFvbU

[Peter]

3-8 from Pete

So where do you live, my friend?

[Peter]

(you can skip reading this post as I quote it in my replies so you would be reading it twice)

3-8

We worship GOD Almighty in the direction of His Grand Temple/House. We never worship the Temple/House itself. The Bible's Prophets in the Bible also had a "House of GOD Almighty" that they worshiped Him in. Also, the Jews' wailing wall today is a similar example to the Muslims' Kaaba, where the Jews pray to GOD Almighty facing the wall. The Bible also says:

"I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)"

GOD Almighty's Holy Temple in Islam is the Kaaba in Mecca.

We've already seen the "House of GOD"Almighty in both the Bible and the Noble Quran above. We've seen how the Prostration to GOD Almighty in either His House or in the direction of His House (if you live far away) is the most proper way of Worship.

Again, to help u to understand the Islamic point better, I'd like to present the following from the Bible:

Numbers 24:3-5
3 and he uttered his oracle: "The oracle of Balaam son of Beor, the oracle of one whose eye sees clearly,
4 the oracle of one who hears the words of God, who sees a vision from the Almighty, who falls prostrate, and whose eyes are opened:
5 "How beautiful are your tents, O Jacob, your dwelling places, O Israel!

Deuteronomy 9:17-19
17 So I took the two tablets and threw them out of my hands, breaking them to pieces before your eyes.
18 Then once again I fell prostrate before the LORD for forty days and forty nights; I ate no bread and drank no water, because of all the sin you had committed, doing what was evil in the LORD's sight and so provoking him to anger.
19 I feared the anger and wrath of the LORD, for he was angry enough with you to destroy you. But again the LORD listened to me.

The direction of the Kaaba not only unifies the Muslims, but it also maximizes the Glorification and Praising of GOD Almighty.

It maximizes the Glorification of GOD Almighty, because in the 5-daily Prayers, it is not only the individual who is Praising GOD, but also the millions of the Muslims world-wide (who are on the same time) are doing it almost simultaneously as if they were ONE CLOSE COMMUNITY.

and in the end Prophet Muhammad said " Demolishing the Kaaba completely is much more preferred to Allah Almighty than shedding the blood of a Believing Muslim."

Why should this be of any surprise, when God Almighty had brought down all of the Angels under the feet of the human-believers when He commanded them to bow down to Adam?

So no, we do not worship rocks and stones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bw7TpKVZ50

[Peter]

3-8 from 777

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56RodHJK_GA

[Peter]

We worship GOD Almighty in the direction of His Grand Temple/House. We never worship the Temple/House itself. The Bible's Prophets in the Bible also had a "House of GOD Almighty" that they worshiped Him in. Also, the Jews' wailing wall today is a similar example to the Muslims' Kaaba, where the Jews pray to GOD Almighty facing the wall. The Bible also says:

"I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)"

That's right. Yahweh had His people build a temple with an alter on which they sacrificed animals for atonement of sin through their blood.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=atonement&t=KJV&sf=5

GOD Almighty's Holy Temple in Islam is the Kaaba in Mecca.

Simply repeating something won't magically make it come true.
The Kaaba was built by pagan Arabians in the early 5th century AD for moon, sun, star and jinn-demon worship. The ONLY reason you have to make this claim is because a bunch of semi-literate SW Arabian desert dwellers made it in the 7th and 8th centuries AD. That's why you failed to answer the question early in our conversation.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2384.msg9950#msg9950

2. On WHAT BASIS - that is through WHAT EVIDENCE - do you believe that Mecca ever even existed before the 4th century AD?

We've already seen the "House of GOD"Almighty in both the Bible and the Noble Quran above.

One temple Yahweh's.
The other temple Allah's aka Satan.

We've seen how the Prostration to GOD Almighty in either His House or in the direction of His House (if you live far away) is the most proper way of Worship.

Your false prophet Muhammad was so confused he even switched the direction his followers were to pray from Jerusalem to Mecca after the Hijra.

Again, to help u to understand the Islamic point better, I'd like to present the following from the Bible:

Numbers 24:3-5
3 and he uttered his oracle: "The oracle of Balaam son of Beor, the oracle of one whose eye sees clearly,
4 the oracle of one who hears the words of God, who sees a vision from the Almighty, who falls prostrate, and whose eyes are opened:
5 "How beautiful are your tents, O Jacob, your dwelling places, O Israel!

Deuteronomy 9:17-19
17 So I took the two tablets and threw them out of my hands, breaking them to pieces before your eyes.
18 Then once again I fell prostrate before the LORD for forty days and forty nights; I ate no bread and drank no water, because of all the sin you had committed, doing what was evil in the LORD's sight and so provoking him to anger.
19 I feared the anger and wrath of the LORD, for he was angry enough with you to destroy you. But again the LORD listened to me.

The direction of the Kaaba not only unifies the Muslims, but it also maximizes the Glorification and Praising of GOD Almighty.

No it maximizes glorification of the Quraish's pagan deity "Allah" and veneration of the Quraish's black stone idol.

It maxi,mizes the Glorification of GOD Almighty, because in the 5-daily Prayers, .....

Of the heathen.
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

..... it is not only the individual who is Praising GOD, but also the millions of the Muslims world-wide (who are on the same time) are doing it almost simultaneously as if they were ONE CLOSE COMMUNITY.

Muslims pray so that they may be seen of men just as Jesus blasted the Pharisees for.

Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

In Sharia countries prayer is even compelled and enforced on pain of death.

AP - December 06, 2006 MOGADISHU, Somalia - "Residents of a southern Somalia town who do not pray five times a day will be beheaded, an Islamic courts official said Wednesday, adding the edict will be implemented in three days."

and in the end Prophet Muhammad said " Demolishing the Kaaba completely is much more preferred to Allah Almighty than shedding the blood of a Believing Muslim."

Why should this be of any surprise, when God Almighty had brought down all of the Angels under the feet of the human-believers when He commanded them to bow down to Adam?

Once again you don't seem to understand that simply because you are willing to believe or say something doesn't mean it will magically come true. On what historical record do you base these claims? NO RECORD.
You believe that tripe of angels bowing to Adam for one reason. BECAUSE MUHAMMAD SAID SO. That's certainly not the only unhistorical nonsense he spewed.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=41.0

So no, we do not worship rocks and stones.

The Quraish didn't worship the black stone either. They VENERATED their black stone idol because it REPRESENTED their pagan deity "Allah".
Muslims VENERATE the Quraish's black stone idol because it REPRESENTS your god "Allah".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2039.0

[Peter]

3-8

Sent link to above forum post then sent following PM
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I asked where you live because on your channel you say

Hometown: In God Land

You're lucky you live in Israel because Muslims enjoy more freedom in Israel than they do in any Muslim controlled country on earth.
Do you live in Jerusalem?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slLBam06iyg

[Peter]

3-8

He replied with a video link on which I replied directly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56RodHJK_GA
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And another PM
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God land is not only Jerusalem but it's the whole Earth .

[Peter]

3-11

[[[[God land is not only Jerusalem but it's the whole Earth.]]]]

However Jerusalem is the historical EPICENTER of the Holy Land of all of the prophets and patriarchs. It is the place where Yahweh chose to have His people build a temple to Him. In and around Jerusalem is where the wealth of archaeological evidence is evermore discovered, that continues to prove the veracity of the Old Testament as an accurate ancient historical record.


Just as Mecca became the EPICENTER of pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-demon worship by the early 7th century, following when the pagans having cobbled together their kaaba in the early 5th century. Their rituals adopted and then adapted by Muhammad to suit his STAND-ALONE 7th century religion, in which Muslims unto this day still prostrate themselves toward the pagan's kaaba and their black stone idol.

http://www.historyofmecca.com/origins_of_islam.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq8VOZbuu-Q

[Peter]

3-11

Just as Zion is God's historical footstool,
Psa 99:2 The LORD [is] great in Zion; and he [is] high above all the people.
5 Exalt ye the LORD our God, and worship at his footstool; [for] he [is] holy.

Mecca is Satan's historical footstool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfWy5KaFvbU

[Peter]

3-15

"". Matthew 16:23 " Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.""
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnFhnK2E8ng
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Followed by another
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Now it's time to show u the truth .

(he included this ridiculous video titled "Historical Proof of Abraham Built the Kaaba")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0Ib4rhGTW0
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To which I replied on the video
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Ridiculous. Old Testament reference is to the temple that Yahweh had His people build IN ZION. NOT to the Kaaba 1200 kilometers away in Mecca that Arabian pagans built in the early 5th century AD for moon, sun, star, wind and jinn-demon worship.
watch?v=xfWy5KaFvbU
NEXT VERSE 84:7 They go from strength to strength, [every one of them] IN ZION appeareth before God.
Fruit of liars that follow the father of lies through his prophet Muhammad.
watch?v=eLsniG47IO8
brotherpete. com/baca_mecca. htm
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I also PMd the person who uploaded the video so I could attach a live link to my video
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Didn't you ever even read the very next verse?

84:7 They go from strength to strength, [every one of them] IN ZION appeareth before God.

http://www.petewaldo.com/baca_mecca.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakkah#Arguments_against_the_identification_of_Baca_with_Mecca
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But he has friend lock enabled, which Muslims increasingly employ as a means to shield themselves from truth.

[Peter]

[[[[Now it's time to show u the truth .]]]]

Now look at my reply to you back on 2-26 that I entered in the forum at this link.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2384.15

Here is what you wrote

"[[[Let me paste for you the following Verses from the Bible and the Noble Quran:

"Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them. Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. (From the NIV Bible, Psalms 84:5-6)"]]]]"

Here was my reply

"Is your mind that broken from the repetitive prayers of the heathen? I already asked you if you ever even read the very next verse.

84:7 They go from strength to strength, [every one of them] IN ZION appeareth before God.

ZION, ZION, ZION, that is Jerusalem.
You are simply copy and pasting the stupidity of another. Why don't you try thinking for yourself for a change?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLsniG47IO8"


You see, my friend, you can't think for yourself because your mind is broken. Just about the time it begins to function normally again you are forced to put your forehead to Satan and your butt to Yahweh and pray the repetitive prayers of the heathen.

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

This prevents your mind from being able to function normally. It's why, relatively speaking, Muslims haven't produced anything of value ever since Muhammad began his slaughter of productive, moral, literate and God faring folks, and forced his ignorant minions to prostrate themselves to the Quraish's black stone idol 5 times a day. That's why we still find that about all Muslims produce, all around the world, is murder, mayhem and misery.

You mind is like a tape recorder that gets erased five times a day and has to start over. Just about the time a constructive thought enters it you have to pray vain repetitions to Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" who is Satan. That's why you have brought up this same ridiculous lie about Baca = Mecca at least 3 times now. Instead of being embarrassed by how foolish the whole notion is, when it is condemned by the very next verse, you instead repeat it and even proudly proclaim "Now it's time to show u the truth." as if it creates thousands of years of non-existent history of Mecca prior to the 4th century AD, when it was originally settled by pagan immigrants from Yemen.

Can't you even begin to see that you have been brainwashed, and continue to brainwash yourself, into following the father of lies through his prophet Muhammad? Repeating foolish and provable lie after lie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLsniG47IO8

[Peter]

From 777 on 3-18

Please watch with open mind&heart :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUsuHuHhRh0
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To which I replied directly on the video

PeteWaldo 4 minutes ago

Yahweh manifest or revealed through the flesh of a man in Jesus Christ isn't the first time that Yahweh revealed Himself that way. In Genesis 18 Yahweh visits Abraham, uses the bowl of water offered to wash His feet, and consumes the food and drink that Abraham offered Him.

watch?v=1cjXj6TMOAM

But arguing the divinity of Jesus Christ is a minor detail when compared to Satan filling you with complete resolve to reject the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and the blood that would save you.
PeteWaldo 6 minutes ago


Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: (cont)

islamandthetruth. com/the_lamb_slain. htm


What prophecy in Psalms did Jesus reference?

Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: they look [and] stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

Matthew 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet....

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PeteWaldo 31 seconds ago