Islam, Deedat, Hell, Shirk, antichrist & 666

[Peter]

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This thread is dedicated to the video "Islam, Deedat, Hell, Shirk, antichrist & 666", that had received 1,086,112 views, before YouTube turned off the counter for it in December of 2010. At the rate it was going it has probably had over 2 million view by now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN-_20sjHVI

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The theme of this video is also found at PeteWaldo channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/PeteWaldo

Before launching off about how the video "Islam, Deedat, Hell, Shirk, antichrist & 666" takes advantage of Deedat "crying" on his "deathbed", first, he was in that state for 9 years, and second you can see the very same reaction when he's with his disciple and fast-talking fellow-antichrist Naik, as they joyously muse over their shared blasphemy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2EIEpBbTfg

Next please observe his own words that are being recalled to him, about congratulating the Cape Town Muslims for being "the most militant Muslims in Africa".

The following thread is a discussion regarding this video: "Islam, Deedat, Hell, Shirk, antichrist & 666"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN-_20sjHVI

The "Islam, Deedat, Hell, Shirk, antichrist & 666" video does, however, expose the stark contrast between Islam and Christianity. Indeed the polar opposite nature of Islam compared to Christianity. The following link explores these stark and exact opposites: http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=148.0

Islam is an "anti" religion.
For example Mohammed taught that Jesus was not the Son of God. As the bible describes it, that is "antichrist".
And Mohammed taught that Jesus did not die on the cross.

But who did Mohammed teach did die on the cross?
What did Mohammed teach did happen to Jesus just before, during, and after the cross?
We can see Islam emerging as the negative of a photograph. Mohammed filled Muslims with complete resolve as to what to DISbelieve. When asked who DID die on the cross Muslims come up with as many answers as those that are asked.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=628.0

In Christianity we are to love our enemies and bless them and do good to those that persecute us.
All the law is fulfilled once we learn to love everyone else just as we love ourselves.
Mohammed taught Muslims to fight the unbelievers, even if they are the "people of the book".

Most Muslims turn their eyes away from the verses that illustrate the exact opposite nature of our two religions in the video and instead focus on the images of Ahmed Deedat. Even then they ignore the words that are spoken to Deedat:
"I went to Capetown and I told them what you said about the Capetown Muslims, the most militant Muslims in Africa."

Most of us in civil society don't appreciate militant Muslims the way the gentleman is indicating that Ahmed Deedat did. Most of us like to live in peace and freedom rather than under oppression and tyranny.

In another YouTube we find that Ahmed Deedat taught that the First Epistle of John confirmed that Mohammed was a true prophet. He did this through a bible verse of his own creation, repeating that non-existent verse on more than one occasion, reducing the likelihood of it being a simple mistake.
Example here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDslsWDzPIc
And here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKMMr4lZx2E

But the larger question is, was Deedat correct?
If you have never read John's first epistle, why not read it and decide for yourself?

The version copy and pasted below is the same King James Version that Deedat quoted from in the videos above. I highlighted a few of the more Islam-germane verses but I encourage you to read the whole thing to get a true sense of the love of God:

http://www.islamandthetruth.com/first_epistle_john.htm
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Jo&c=1&v=1&t=KJV#top
(KJV) 1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;    2  (For the life was manifested, and we have seen [it], and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)    3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.    4  And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.    5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.    6  If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:    7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.    8  If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.    9  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.    10  If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
 
(KJV) 1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:    2  And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.    3  And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.    4  He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.    5  But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.    6  He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.    7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.    8  Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.    9  He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.    10  He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.    11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.    12  I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.    13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him [that is] from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.    14  I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him [that is] from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.    15  Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.    16  For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.    17  And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.    18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.    19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.    20  But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.    21  I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.    22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.    23  Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].    24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.    25  And this is the promise that he hath promised us, [even] eternal life.    26  These [things] have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.    27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.    28  And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.    29  If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
 
(KJV) 1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.    2  Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.    3  And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.    4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.    5  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.    6  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.    7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.    8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.    9  Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.    10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.    11  For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.    12 Not as Cain, [who] was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.    13  Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.    14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not [his] brother abideth in death.    15  Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.    16 Hereby perceive we the love [of God], because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down [our] lives for the brethren.    17  But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels [of compassion] from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?    18  My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.    19  And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.    20  For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.    21  Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, [then] have we confidence toward God.    22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.    23  And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.    24  And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

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(KJV) 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.    2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:    3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.   4  Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.    5  They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.    6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.  (URL)  7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.   8  He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.  9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.    10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.   11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.   12  No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.   13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.    14  And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.    15  Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.   16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.   17  Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.    18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.    19  We love him, because he first loved us.    20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?    21  And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
 
(KJV) 1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.    2  By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.    3  For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.    4  For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith.    5  Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?    6 This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.    7  For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.    8  And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.    9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.    10  He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.    11  And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.    12  He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.    13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.    14  And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:    15  And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.    16 If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.    17  All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.    18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.    19  [And] we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.    20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.    21  Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

So does John's First Epistle confirm Mohammed as a true prophet? Doesn't it do the exact opposite?

Sura 4:136 O ye who believe! BELIEVE IN Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and THE SCRIPTURE WHICH HE SENT TO THOSE BEFORE (HIM). ANY WHO DENIETH Allah, His angels, HIS BOOKS, HIS MESSENGERS, and the Day of Judgment, HATH GONE FAR, FAR ASTRAY.

Muslims are expected to "believe in" the "scripture" that was sent to those before Mohammed. Have you ever read the Gospels?
For an introduction to the Gospels please click here: http://www.islamandthetruth.com/

Foldable printable tract
More tracts:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/free_tracts.htm

The following is a copy and paste of the compared verses included in the video:

John 3:16  For God so loved the world, that he gave HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious HAS BEGOTTEN A SON!" 89 INDEED YE HAVE PUT FORTH A THING MOST MONSTROUS!

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

Mat 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.

Surah 4:157  That THEY SAID (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them,... FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT:-

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, AND BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.

Mar 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, [saying], Thou art MY BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased.
watch?v=EmbvtuW4ZFE

Surah 9.30 THE JEWS CALL UZAIR A SON OF GOD, AND THE CHRISTIANS CALL CHRIST THE SON OF GOD. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. GOD'S CURSE BE ON THEM: how they are deluded away from the Truth!


One must choose between the God of the Christians and Jews or the one that wishes Allah's curse on the Christians and Jews.


Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

Rev 19:20 And THE BEAST was taken, and with him THE FALSE PROPHET that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

"And the Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"

1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.   

1Jo 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

[Peter]

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN-_20sjHVI

Copy and pasted from an article. Link to the original article at bottom has live links etc.

"DEEDAT'S DOWNFALL

Many readers have been asking whether Ahmed Deedat, the Muslim debater, is still alive. As of this writing (July 2005) he is alive, but he cannot speak and he is completely paralysed. In fact, Deedat has been in this condition since he suffered a rare kind of stroke nine years ago. Few people outside his home city of Durban are aware of this, and even fewer, know the sequence of events leading to this tragedy.

Four weeks before Deedat was stricken he attacked the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ in front of a large audience in Australia. These provocative lectures "raised the ire of the Australian government", causing them to "threaten to deport him unless he toned down the content of his Good Friday lecture in Sydney." (Daily News, Durban, 6 May 1996) Incidentally, Deedat's inflammatory reputation caused Singapore to ban him from entering their country.

If a secular entity like the Australian government was so offended, what was the Christian church feeling? And more importantly what were they doing about it? Following is the record of how Christians responded in Durban where Deedat founded and directed the Islamic Propagation Centre International.

The publication of Deedat's book "Combat Kit" (1992) marked the beginning of the end. This vicious and ridiculing attack on the Bible set in motion events which proved to be Deedat's undoing. During the next year a small group of Christians prayed about these provocations. Finally I wrote Mr. Deedat a personal letter, in which I refuted two of his most vile and vicious attacks. He did not acknowledge receiving the hand-delivered letter - much less answer it.

[This personal letter is now displayed here. An expanded rebuttal which correlates with this letter has been available on this page already since 1996. This article reports about another visit to Deedat that is related to the same issue.]

In the following months a group of nearly two dozen pastors from many different churches and denominations deliberated and prayed about these mocking attacks on the Holy Bible. They decided to issue a stern public rebuke through an open letter in the Daily News of Durban. They warned him of God's judgement because Deedat refused to retract his defamatory and unscholarly attacks against the Bible.

[See this page for a reproduction of the open letter.]

This confrontation - and the stroke that Deedat suffered 21 months later - is reminiscent of another confrontation between the apostle Paul and Elymas, the sorcerer. We read that Paul sharply rebuked him, "O full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease perverting the straight ways of the Lord? And now indeed, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you shall be blind, not seeing the sun for a time." (Acts 13:10,11) It should not surprise us that God vindicated his holiness by striking Elymas with temporary blindness. So also with Deedat: he suffered a severe stroke, rendering him speechless and paralysed.

God declares in his word, "Whoever stubbornly refuses to accept criticism will suddenly be broken beyond repair." (Proverbs 29:1)

Some readers might object to this line of reasoning, arguing that the stroke happened 21 months after the rebuke was issued. They would argue that there is no cause/effect relationship. However, the Bible (and also the Qur'an) clearly teach that God does not always punish sin immediately (Romans 2:1-4; surah 16:61). He shows forbearance and patience. God gave Deedat ample time to repent. It seems more than coincidental that Deedat was struck down four weeks after mocking the crucifixion in his Autralia lecture tour, climaxing with another attack on Good Friday, the highest commemorative day of Christianity. We believe that the stroke which silenced Deedat was an act of judgment, timed by God to happen on the heels of this broadside attack against the cornerstone doctrine of salvation. This particular provocation needs to be understood against the backdrop of Deedat's repeated disregard to refutations and finally to a public warning. His mouth was shut and continues to be shut as long as he remains obstinate.

Giving a sharp rebuke should not be misunderstood as a vengeful act. Deedat was reminded - in the open letter of rebuke - that God could forgive him if he would admit his wrong. Unfortunately, neither at that time, nor on subsequent occasions when we visited him in his paralysed condition, did he stop attacking the Bible. Interestingly, he allowed me (and one of my friends) to pray for him when we visited him at his home - without any apparent healing taking place. On our next visit we followed up this unfinished matter by reminding Deedat that God's Word says sin hinders our prayers from being answered. We read King David's words, "If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear." (Psalm 66:18) Then we reminded Deedat of the open letter of rebuke which preceded his stroke. We asked him whether he was now prepared to admit having done wrong.

Deedat spelled out his emphatic reply, one letter at a time, "I have no guilt on my head." (Such communiques from Deedat are obviously inaudible. He indicates his choice of individual letters by blinking his eye.) It was - and still is - our sincere prayer that Deedat would humble himself and experience God's mercy and healing.

David Foster
Durban, 10 July 2005

http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Deedat/downfall.htm

[Peter]

The terms "spirit" and "prophet" are never interchangable, or synonymous in scripture, as Deedat suggested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKMMr4lZx2E

Strong's definitions:

the spirits
New Testament Greek Definition:
4151 pneuma {pnyoo'-mah}
from 4154; TDNT - 6:332,876; n n
AV - Spirit 111, Holy Ghost 89, Spirit (of God) 13,
Spirit (of the Lord) 5, (My) Spirit 3, Spirit (of truth) 3,
Spirit (of Christ) 2, human (spirit) 49, (evil) spirit 47,
spirit (general) 26, spirit 8, (Jesus' own) spirit 6,
(Jesus' own) ghost 2, misc 21; 385

prophet
New Testament Greek Definition:
4396 prophetes {prof-ay'-tace}
from a compound of 4253 and 5346; TDNT - 6:781,952; n m
AV - prophet 149; 149

We can see by the word counts in the definitions above that:
The Greek word "pneuma", translated as "spirit", is NEVER translated as prophet.
The Greek word "prophetes", translated as "prophet", is NEVER also translated as spirit.

Koine Greek was the lingua franca of the 1st century and the language that the New Testament was written in.

[Peter]

More than once I have been criticized for picking on a dead guy.

This is generally an effort to silence the messenger rather than dealing with the substance of the video.
In the case of this video, the exact opposite nature of Islam to Christianity.

But as we can see, though dead, Deedat is alive and well in the YouTube community and still deluding his bible-ignorant Mulsim minions. Simply search his name.
Nor was Deedat a private individual that I am picking on, but rather a famous Greek sophist styled entertainer, and antichrist deceiver.
He continues to delude his followers to this day, with preposterous themes like the First Epistle of John, confirms Mohammed was a true prophet.

Did you read it in the original post above?

When we can establish for a fact that Deedat used a bible verse of his own creation are we called to ignore it or expose the deception?

Here is what the actual verse from the same King James version he quoted from says:

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

There are only 4 verses that contain the term:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/antichrist.htm

When a very public person dies are we then supposed to simply pretend he didn't exist?
What about Hitler?
Should we remember his genocide of the Jews or pretend it never happened?

What about the Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem who was hand in hand with Hitler in his genocide of the Jews? Are we supposed to pretend that he never existed too? What about the two Islamic panzer divisions in Hitler's army and their genocide?

Unrelated to Deedat? Hitler and Deedat both deluded millions with deception.
We need to be vigilant and continue to expose such, for the benefit of future generations.



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Hadith: Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh servant of Allah, oh Muslim, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNzTL4zu5Xg&feature=related
Grand Mufti Haj Amin Al Husseini [Hitler's Mufti]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m2OzEvyrsw



With over 12,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world, just since 9-11, http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/  and the rape, pillage and plunder of the Islamic First Jihad, the fruit is apparent.

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

[Peter]

Each time someone made the false accusation that I made a claim that Deedat's demise was caused by God, I responded with scripture:

Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

Though it certainly wouldn't surprise a Christian if it was God's hand, that closed his famous Greek sophist styled, mouth.

[Peter]

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A COMPLETELY DISGUSTING VIDEO! A COMPLETE LACK OF DISREGARD FOR OTHER HUMAN BEINGS! THIS PUTS A SHAME ON CHRISTIANITY MUCH HEAVIER THAN THE CROSS! SHAME!
please read my comments from below and upwards. thanks.

To (another commenter). I agree w u that this person who made this video is a low-life,uneducated,scum-bag! Cuz he is using pics of a disabled human being to prove his religions worth! This is the merit of his belief system!

Is this how I am supposed to believe that you are telling the truth!! Any human being who has a dot of compassion, love(as he claims he has) would never resort to this low level of poking fun of a disabled old man. This is how he proves the truth of the Trinity! Yes truth indeed! Even if the Trinity is true, I can for certainty say that upon seeing this disgusting video, all Three of them would take BROTHERJW by the arms and throw him in hell because that is the place for low-life scum-bags


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This BrotherJw is not a man of God because men of God do not do these disgusting foolishness and also "Ye shall know them by their fruits" (Matt 7:16 ). BrotherJw has no fruits at all. All that he is is a foul-smelling vegetable.


In reply:


brotherjw

May I suggest focus on the EXACT OPPOSITE nature of Islam, as revealed through the comparison of verses in the video, rather than the image of a random antichrist that I spliced in here and there.

After that you can view the two response videos on the left where I explore the phony bible verse of Deedat's own creation, that he deluded his adoring, clapping, bible-ignorant minions with, into believing they are not antichrist.

If you're looking for someone to kiss the Quran I recommend the pope.

I don't believe loving Muslims consists of encouraging them to remain in the delusion they suffer at the hands of their false prophet.
According to my bible all roads do not lead to heaven. My effort is to shock you into understanding that.
Each of us could die right now. Where will we spend our eternity if we reject the 1400 year revelation of God through ALL of the prophets and legions of witnesses, in favor of the 23 year record of Mohammed, that is the EXACT OPPOSITE?
watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4

Perhaps you guys are happy that the "Cape Town Muslims are the most militant Muslims in Africa", as Deedat's own words were recounted for him.

With 2 million slain by the hand of Islam, in the Sudan alone, that may be a stretch to suggest that the South African Muslims are the most militant. Nigeria is under Satanic attack too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fbXvq_ZIbw

Most folks who love their families, and love to live in peace, don't appreciate militant Muslims.

Couldn't help but notice that you two guys live in the United States where our laws protect us from Islamic militants (so far).
Why not move to Saudi Arabia and help them cut Christian heads off?
Or maybe Indonesia:

Three teenage girls were beheaded on their way to their Christian school and one head left on the steps of a Church. The note left behind reads: "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/great_tribulation.htm

[radenjoyo]

well, welcome myself to this beautiful forum. it seems Deedat is the centre of this forum. why? Why are the christians so "fond" of Deedat? What about Jesus & Paul...ahh...never mind about paul, even Jesus is not that important as far as Deedat is concern. One wonders why Deedat becomes such a frightening name in christiandom, even after his death. this man must be somebody equally or even more important than Jesus except Jesus was nailed on the cross as what christians are made to believe.

most of the articles posted here are mainly from a 3rd.party source, and i am look odd if i do not follow the trend, but before i copy & paste, i just want to ask a very simple question to any christian and i am not expecting honest answers or friendly remarks. experiences forbid me to expect such responses.  now my question:

are the bibles words of god - prove that beyond any reasonable doubt and i will buy a new mobile phone to my neighbour's cute little monkey that has a cross hanging on it's neck.

[Peter]

well, welcome myself to this beautiful forum.

I'm happy to welcome you to the forum rad! Everyone interested in having an exchange is welcome here. Please see:
Welcome - decorum: http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=35.0

The 5 copy and pasted posts following your original post have been temporarily parked in the spam category here, until such time as we can finish addressing this first post of yours.
Then we can move those from that category, to an appropriate section, and address them as well.

it seems Deedat is the centre of this forum. why?

As to Deedat he's not even the center of this category of the forum, which is devoted to discussing videos on brojw's channel.
This category contains many subjects. This particular video just happens to be the most widely viewed on the jw channel.

Jesus Christ, as revealed through the Word of God, is the center of this forum.

You must have made the above claim before you noticed the subjects - Son of God - Jesus' Father - Islam the Perfect Opposite - Islam Mohammed's Heaven - Muslim hypocrisy - Hitler and the Mufti - Muhammad, Terrorists & Poets #119D - Mohammed the Coward - in this category, let alone the whole separate categories on Islam, Muslim misunderstanding of scripture, as well as different categories related to the church and many other subjects.
The video about Mohammed's carnal heaven being a chicken and wine joint is far more entertaining than the Deedat videos, for example.
Sura 56:21 And the flesh of fowls, any that they may desire.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=264.0

"The question addressed to Mr. Deedat, 'Through your knowledge of the Moslim faith, can you vouch for the fact that Mohammed was not antichrist?'"
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=299.0

In answer to the question Mr Deedat quoted 1John 4:1 almost perfectly out of the King James Version:
Then Deedat said "...it continues..." but then made up the following non-existent verse:
"The spirit that confesseth that Jesus is the Christ is of God."

There are only 4 verses in scripture that use the term "antichrist" as shown through the word search here:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=antichrist&t=KJV

The only verse of the 4 that uses Deedat's phrase "...that Jesus is the Christ..." is the following, that also happens to be a test of persons rather than a test of spirits:

1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

What we can see, from this same verse that was included in the subject video of this thread, is that it identifies not only Mohammed, but Deedat and all Muslims, as antichrists as well. The EXACT OPPOSITE of Deedat's false claim through his phony verse. Proving Mohammed not just another false prophet, but EXACTLY OPPOSITE Jesus Christ.

The full text, from the same King James Version Deedat quoted from, is contained in the original post of this thread.

Why are the christians so "fond" of Deedat?

I simply expose Deedat's deception of his bible-ignorant minions in 3 videos.
The Islam section, and Muslim misunderstanding of scripture section, and conversations section are devoted to Mohammed's deception. Deedat was simply his parrot.

What about Jesus & Paul...ahh...never mind about paul, even Jesus is not that important as far as Deedat is concern.

Indeed. To follow Mohammed ALL NT prophets and apostles must be rejected, including Jesus Christ, to remain in Mohammed's 6th century STAND-ALONE religion.

One wonders why Deedat becomes such a frightening name in christiandom,

Not at all frightening. You are the one that was deceived by Deedat's fake bible verse. That would suggest that you are the one that should be frightened.

I expose his buffoonery, and am saddened for those that he, and his false prophet, have so sorely deceived.

Did you ever wonder why God revealed Himself over a 1400 year record, through ALL of the prophets and apostles, and then turned around in the 6th century and sent a "messenger" that WAS, and taught, the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ through all of those apostles and prophets?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=148.0

I fully intend to address the rest of your post. The question I have for you, related to the subject of this thread is, do you agree with Deedat that the First Epistle of John confirms Mohammed was a true prophet?
That Mohammed was not antichrist?

Or has it been made painfully clear that "the Christian bible testifies" (as Deedat put it), that in fact the EXACT OPPOSITE is the case?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=299.0

[bunny]

Hi Peter,
I was reading the comments underneath the video, and they implied that God made this man suffer because of his life.  Then I considered my own mother's death and how she suffered through three years of cancer. 
I also watched another deathbed video of a Christian man who explained on his own deathbed, he didn' want us to think ill of God for his own trials I have endured."  Like when Job said "though He slay me"  this man said "God is a good God and his plans are bigger than my and I raise my hands to Him and say 'Your will not mine, Lord.'"
In the past few days I have considered Terry Shiavo's death. As far as I know she was a Christian and had to suffer for a long time.

[Peter]

Hi Peter,
I was reading the comments underneath the video, and they implied that God made this man suffer because of his life.

Hi bunny, and welcome to the forum!
I have been repeatedly accused of that but continue to respond as I have throughout. Here's a link to the appropriate post - 5 posts above this one:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=268.msg980#msg980

Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Muslims never comment on the words that are being spoken to Deedat, as he reacts to them, that I scrolled on the video over his image, as they were proudly spoken:

"I went to Capetown and I told them what you said about the Capetown Muslims, the most militant Muslims in Africa."

Most of us in civil society don't appreciate militant Muslims, as Deedat apparently did.
Particularly with over 13,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world, just since 9-11:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

As an aside, while Deedat's errors were pointed out to him over and over by sound Christian scholars, he never repented of them but rather kept repeating, what had then become to his own knowledge, lies.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=119.0

Then I considered my own mother's death and how she suffered through three years of cancer. 
I also watched another deathbed video of a Christian man who explained on his own deathbed, he didn' want us to think ill of God for his own trials I have endured."  Like when Job said "though He slay me"  this man said "God is a good God and his plans are bigger than my and I raise my hands to Him and say 'Your will not mine, Lord.'"
In the past few days I have considered Terry Shiavo's death. As far as I know she was a Christian and had to suffer for a long time.

By the way that wasn't Deedat's deathbed. He was in that state for 9 years. Continued to blaspheme Jesus Christ through eye blink communication without repentance. I get accused of picking on a dead guy too. But everyone in the YouTube community knows that Deedat and his blasphemy lives on there. Hitler is dead too. Does that mean we should pretend he didn't lie and murder and call him a great man just because he's dead?

Indeed! The rain falls on the just and on the unjust.
And again, welcome to the forum!

[Peter]

this is a few pictures of what the Jews do (just in Israel) to Muslims children (to show you that they kill innocent people).
the hate between Muslims and Jews is reasonable after all these Massacres.
Jews kill Demilitarized innocent people Intentionally
please do not confuse people.
if any one like to know about Islam he should search muslims sites not nonmuslims talking about muslims sites.
please do not remove my replay since you also declared a Brutal pictures and be racial.
       

[Peter]

88zzzzz's unrelated post has been moved to the spam category pending his copy and pasting it into an appropriate thread.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=604.0
Poster has been invited to discuss the subject on an appropriate thread by copy and pasting his post into an appropriate thread.

Additionally, random pictures, of gory body mutilations, particularly presented without context, are irrelevant.
As long as Sunnis continue to murder innocent Shiite men, women and children, we can presume that the photos are simply the result of that. Particularly in light of a million killed and 2 million injured, in the mutual Muslim on Muslim murder, of the Iran-Iraq war alone.

[bunny]

Hm.
I guess I wouldn't have had as much sympathy if I hadn't watched him suffer.  I tend to blame everything on Mohammid.  The rest of them are just useful idiots.

Whew, I almost spelled useful -- usefull.  That would not be good right next to the word idiot.  Not having spell check is going to blow my cover.

But as far as Islam goes, it's all based around Mohammid's gigantic ego (e.g. world conquest) playing on everyone else's fear. 
Gee that sounds real close to Al Gore's rant, "He played on our fears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"  Now there's an ego if there ever was one.

But I digress, as usual.

Bunny

[Peter]

Hm.
I guess I wouldn't have had as much sympathy if I hadn't watched him suffer.  I tend to blame everything on Mohammid.  The rest of them are just useful idiots.

I used to use the term liberally, and then one day I happened across this verse

Mat 5:22     But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

I didn't ponder it much further but since I stopped I have found folks tend to be a lot more willing to engage me than they were before.

I don't know if you've noticed but this isn't a typical Christian forum, as there are a lot of Muslims and Roman Catholics that lurk here.

Whew, I almost spelled useful -- usefull.  That would not be good right next to the word idiot.  Not having spell check is going to blow my cover.

But as far as Islam goes, it's all based around Mohammid's gigantic ego (e.g. world conquest) playing on everyone else's fear.  
Gee that sounds real close to Al Gore's rant, "He played on our fears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"  Now there's an ego if there ever was one.

But I digress, as usual.

Bunny

[bunny]

Pete,
Do unto others. 
If you were being a useful idiot, wouldn't you want to know it?  Especially when you are being told you will burn in eternal fire if you don't go slay every Jew that happens to be hiding under a rock?

Or what if somebody sat you on a buss with a dynamite vest strapped to your chest to assure their way into heaven?  Wouldn't you want a second opinion?


Bunny

[Peter]

Pete,
Do unto others. 

Exactly. So then you like it when people call you an idiot.

[Peter]

Classic Deedat (scroll to 4.30 mark)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nA_-h2uuSA

"I say why don't you look at your own, man? You know, Hitler, who was he? Christian. Mussolini, who was he? Christian. Talk about them."

Of course Deedat's lies and deception always greeted by the raucous applause of his adoring bible-ignorant minions.

Was Hitler a Christian? His deeds of course demonstrated that was an impossibility.
But did Hitler ever even claim to be a Christian?

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains," Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941.

"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death," Adolf Hitler, 14 October 1941.

http://www.davnet.org/kevin/essays/hitler.html

[Jarrah]

 Allah said :  Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: we hear and we disobey; and hear what is not heard; and Raina; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to faith. if only they had said: we hear and we obey; and do look at us: it would have been better for them, and more proper; but God hath cursed them for their unbelief; and but few of them will believe.
  do you know ? i think by what you mentioned , you helped others from whom never hear about Islam to read and inform there self about this right religion , than you for helping to spread Islam . 
  The end of any jew , christian , Muslim or any humanbeing  doesn't determine his religion or his believe was right or wrong but what you mentioned my dear, is irrational , and i loughed too much when i saw your mind during whe tube , on the same time i was sad for ahmed dedat sadness and i think his sadness was because he precieved and understood that time , there are big amount of humangeings are still live in darkness of ignorance and they are still so far from the truth so he cried for them .
   my dear , i saw you deform the truth by this tube and i advice you to inform your self again and it will be easy for you to reach the truth , use Ahmed dedat lectures about the same subject and he will help you to be savered , and don't concentrate emotions , just use your mind besid your heart . yes , it is not easy for you to leave your believing to follow Islam , because at least wine will be forbidden  for you , but you must take your hard decision even if you will leave world to turn your face to your creator and he deserves .
 i advice you to read ( General introduction to Islam ) by Ali altantawi  use this link
 http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=3335

    thank you  
  
 

[Peter]

Hello Jarrah and welcome to the forum!

Allah said :  Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: we hear and we disobey; and hear what is not heard; and Raina; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to faith. if only they had said: we hear and we obey; and do look at us: it would have been better for them, and more proper; but God hath cursed them for their unbelief; and but few of them will believe.

But to believe Mohammed and his 23 year 7th century record, you must reject ALL of God's prophets and witnesses as revealed through the 1600 year record of God to mankind, that His people have followed for 3500 years.

  do you know ? i think by what you mentioned , you helped others from whom never hear about Islam to read and inform there self about this right religion , than you for helping to spread Islam . 

I hope you were informed as to how Mohammed was and taught the exact opposite of Jesus Christ, through the comparison of verses in the video, copied from our respective books. That was the purpose of the video. To help folks understand that ONE MUST CHOOSE between those two records. All of the prophets, witnesses and Apostles of God's 1600 year record, or Mohammed, who came along 6 centuries after the record of the revelation of God to mankind was complete.

  The end of any jew , christian , Muslim or any humanbeing  doesn't determine his religion or his believe was right or wrong but what you mentioned my dear, is irrational , ........

Perhaps you could be more specific about which part that I mentioned being irrational.
That Islam is antichrist? It isn't a matter of my opinion, but how it is revealed in scripture.

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

What conclusion do you draw from that verse?

........ and i loughed too much when i saw your mind during whe tube, ......

You may think it's funny in this world and this life, because you reject YHWH/Yahshua to follow Mohammed and his "Allah", but unfortunately your eternal life hangs in the balance.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=42.0

[Peter]

....... on the same time i was sad for ahmed dedat sadness and i think his sadness was because he precieved and understood that time, ......

Why do you say it was sadness? His arrogance born out of his antichrist foolishness never stopped. Ahmed Deedat was in that state for 9 years and never repented. Deedat blasphemed God until his very end, by communicating with eye blinks.

..... there are big amount of humangeings are still live in darkness of ignorance and they are still so far from the truth so he cried for them .

Sadly it was Ahmed Deedat that was responsible for deceiving so many people into remaining in antichrist spiritual darkness.

   my dear , i saw you deform the truth by this tube ........

The only words that were mine and were not copied from our respective books are...

"One must choose between the God of the bible of the Christians and Jews or the one that wishes Allah's curse on the Christians and Jews."

You surely can't disagree with that if you are a faithful Muslim that truly understands Islam.

Surah 9.29 Fight those  who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Perhaps a better description would be that you saw - maybe for the first time - how the truth of God's Holy Word "deformed" Mohammed's stand-alone 7th century religion.

Hbr 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged  sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

......... and i advice you to inform your self again and it will be easy for you to reach the truth , use Ahmed dedat lectures about the same subject and he will help you to be savered , .......

Why not start with the following popular Deedat video on YouTube?
Ahmed Deedat is asked if Mohammed was antichrist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_4_tbN-b_A

He quotes one verse almost perfectly from the King James version of the Bible, but then creates his own phony Bible verse claiming it is the next verse, then uses the verse he created to advance his false conclusion, to deceive his adoring bible-ignorant audience, into believing that the First Epistle of John confirms that Mohammed as a true prophet, and not antichrist.
Why not watch the video and see if you agree with Deedat's conclusion?
Here's the text version.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=335.0

[Peter]

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