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"Everyone is Born Muslim"
« on: October 19, 2011, 06:24:46 AM »
"The Prophet Muhammad said, "No baby is born but upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist." (Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6426)"

Since according to the Sunna, in Islam, everyone is believed to be born a Muslim, it is Muslims that the Quraish pagan's - Muhammad's alter-ego - "Allah" preordains, to suffer "Allah's" personal torturing pleasure, in the hell of Muhammad's imagination.

Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6436:
Narrated Aisha:
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said: Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.  (Book #033, Hadith #6436)

What kind of "god" could be more evil than that? It is the god of this world, the prince of the power of the air. Mohammed's sadistic "Allah" predestines hell dwellers for his torturing pleasure before they are ever conceived.
How can "conversion", or as the more comical term "reversion", change predestination? It's impossible.

Articles on predestination
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/predestination.html
http://islam-watch.org/Ibrahim.Lone/Shaming-Shameless-Predestination-in-Islam.htm

For believers a chicken in every pot. "And the flesh of fowls, any that they may desire."
For those he predestined for hell before birth, they will be in a fierce blast of fire and boiling water(56:42) in shades of black smoke(43) with nothing to refresh.(44) Filling their insides with the tree of zaqqum(52) (a tree Mohammed fantasized for his hell - see below), and washing it down with boiling water,(54) drinking with the gusto of a raging diseased camel.(55) And that's just for "entertainment"!(56)
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=264.0

My favorite chapter in Mohammed's entertainingly carnal book
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/056.qmt.html

http://www.youtube.com/user/allahaleg#p/a/u/2/8d-cayTbsFQ
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/predestination.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Hadith/infant-death.html

Mohammed's alter-ego "Allah" again demonstrating himself to be the exact opposite of YHWH 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Zaqqum (Arabic: زقوم‎) is a tree that Muslims believe grows in Jahannam (Hell). Its dwellers are compelled to eat Adh-Dhari, bitter fruit, to intensify their torment (Qur'an 69:36-37). The Khati'un may eat only the fruit or Ghislin (foul pus from the washing of their wounds) (Qur'an 69:36). Its fruits are shaped like devils' heads (Qur'an 37:62-68). According to Shaykh Umar Sulayman Al-Ashqar, a professor at the University of Jordan, once the palate of the sinners is satiated, the fruit in their bellies churns like burning oil. Some Islamic scholars believe the fruit tears their bodies apart and releases bodily fluids. The Qur'an says:
[44.43] Surely the tree of the Zaqqum,
[44.44] Is the food of the sinful
[44.45] Like dregs of oil; it shall boil in (their) bellies,
[44.46] Like the boiling of hot water.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaqqum

Sound like something a 4th grader might conjure up? Or perhaps a 7th century SW Arabian desert dwelling illiterate?

Yahoo search

You'll also note in that search the typical Muslim misunderstanding of original sin.
Christians understand that all humans have been born in sin ever since Adam's fall.
1Cr 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

However we also understand that when someone is too young, or mentally challenged, or has never heard or understood, the saving grace we are given freely through the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, they are not held accountable.
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.

1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

What kind of a good God would hold people accountable for something they were ignorant of? But what about the Quraish pagan's, and Muhammad's alter-ego, "Allah"?

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Re: "Everyone is Born Muslim"
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2011, 07:06:11 AM »
"The Prophet Muhammad said, "No baby is born but upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist." (Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6426)"

Yahoo search

You'll note in that search the typical Muslim misunderstanding of original sin.
Christians understand that all humans have been born in sin ever since Adam's fall.
1Cr 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

However we also understand that when someone is too young, or mentally challenged, or has never heard or understood the saving grace we are given freely through the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, they are not held accountable.
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.

1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

What kind of a good God would hold people accountable for something they were ignorant of? But what about the Quraish pagan's - and Muhammad's alter-ego - "Allah"? Since according to the Sunna in Islam, everyone is born a Muslim, so it's Muslims that the Quraish pagan's "Allah" preordains to suffer that same "Allah's" personal torturing pleasure, in the hell of Muhammad's imagination.

Can there even be a "conversion" to Islam then?
Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6436:
Narrated Aisha:
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said: Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.  (Book #033, Hadith #6436)

What kind of "god" could be more evil than that? It is the god of this world, the prince of the power of the air. Mohammed's sadistic "Allah" predestines hell dwellers for his torturing pleasure before they are ever conceived.
How can "conversion", or as the more comical term "reversion", change predestination?

For believers a chicken in every pot. "And the flesh of fowls, any that they may desire."
For those he predestined for hell before birth, they will be in a fierce blast of fire and boiling water(56:42) in shades of black smoke(43) with nothing to refresh.(44) Filling their insides with the tree of zaqqum(52) (a tree Mohammed fantasized for his hell - see below), and washing it down with boiling water,(54) drinking with the gusto of a raging diseased camel.(55) And that's just for "entertainment"!(56)
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=264.0

My favorite chapter in Mohammed's entertainingly carnal book
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/056.qmt.html

http://www.youtube.com/user/allahaleg#p/a/u/2/8d-cayTbsFQ
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/predestination.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Hadith/infant-death.html

Mohammed's alter-ego "Allah" again demonstrating himself to be the exact opposite of YHWH 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Zaqqum (Arabic: زقوم‎) is a tree that Muslims believe grows in Jahannam (Hell). Its dwellers are compelled to eat Adh-Dhari, bitter fruit, to intensify their torment (Qur'an 69:36-37). The Khati'un may eat only the fruit or Ghislin (foul pus from the washing of their wounds) (Qur'an 69:36). Its fruits are shaped like devils' heads (Qur'an 37:62-68). According to Shaykh Umar Sulayman Al-Ashqar, a professor at the University of Jordan, once the palate of the sinners is satiated, the fruit in their bellies churns like burning oil. Some Islamic scholars believe the fruit tears their bodies apart and releases bodily fluids. The Qur'an says:
[44.43] Surely the tree of the Zaqqum,
[44.44] Is the food of the sinful
[44.45] Like dregs of oil; it shall boil in (their) bellies,
[44.46] Like the boiling of hot water.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaqqum