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Re: Qur'anic Geography by Dan Gibson 2011
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2012, 03:04:53 AM »
10 The Zumurrud claims that Muhammad’s night journey from the Holy City
to Jerusalem was not a miracle because these two cities were close enough together
so that a person could go from one to the other and back in one night.
Muslim scholars have rejected the authenticity of the Zumurrud because of
statements like this. However, if the original Holy City of Islam was in fact
Petra, this description would have been absolutely correct. The distance from
Petra to Jerusalem is only 100 miles. While it would be a strenuous trip on a
horse, one could indeed travel from one to the other and back in one day.

You seem to be trying to turn Muhammad's fantasy into a literal trip, but I don't think you will be well served by that because:
1. He didn't take a horse. He took a baraq, which is the same type of mythical flying animal that the mythical prophet of the Zoroastrians used to visit the mythical place where his immortal ancestors were supposed to have dwelt.
2. You completely ignored the second leg up to "paradise", that he was supposed to have launched off of the rock in the dome of the rock from. How many miles is it to heaven on a flying donkey-mule?
http://www.petewaldo.com/muhammads_night_journey.htm

Let alone that Aisha testified that she was next to him all night.
http://www.petewaldo.com/muhammads_night_journey.htm#aisha_on_night_journey

Which ends the only connection the religion of Islam would have had to any part of THE Holy Land and thus reduces it to nothing more than the morally bankrupt and purely reprobate imperialistic conquest thereof by Muhammad's followers.

Years
later when Muslims scholars had forgotten the city of Petra, the writings of the
Zumurrud seemed totally absurd. Besides, by then Muhammad's overnight
journey to Jerusalem was accepted as a miracle.

Considering that Muhammad made the claim, that "I mounted it and came to the Temple (Bait Maqdis in Jerusalem), then tethered it to the ring used by the prophets. I entered the mosque and prayed two rak'ahs in it...", regarding a temple that had been torn down over 500 years prior to his ridiculous claim, how could they have "accepted" it as other than a "miracle". Even many of Muhammad's illiterate 7th century followers had the good sense to leave his cult after he came up with that whopper.
http://www.petewaldo.com/mohammeds_night_journey.htm

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Re: Qur'anic Geography by Dan Gibson 2011
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2012, 03:11:30 AM »
The original
book examines the various geographical references in the Qur'an with whole sections
given over to the People of 'Ad, the People of Thamud, Midian, Medina,
and Pre-Islamic Arabia. These sections are not referred to in this review.

If you have whole sections that regard such as the people of the Ad, I asked what sources you used for information other than the Quran. Please reply in the other thread.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2966.msg12108#msg12108

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Re: Qur'anic Geography by Dan Gibson 2011
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2012, 03:14:00 AM »
Christians today take little notice of the direction they might face when
praying. For them, God is present everywhere, and they are free to pray in
any direction.

I suppose it could be for lots of reasons, but did you use "they" as a reference because you aren't a Christian? I ask this because you also keep using the term "holy" city in regard to Mecca/Petra too. Just curious.

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Re: Qur'anic Geography by Dan Gibson 2011
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2012, 03:18:42 AM »
Added to this the Qur'an and the hadiths clearly speak of Mecca being in
a valley, and as having another smaller valley or stream next to the Ka’ba. This
is quite different from modern day Mecca which has been occasionally flooded
with spring runoff but contains no stream.

I believe that the earlier geographers suggestion that the area where Mecca was eventually built as being uninhabitable confirms this. However you do seem to presume a lot regarding a stream since climates have changed considerably and repeatedly, cold to hot to cold etc. Ignoring the possibility of climate change as well as desertification from habitation. Suggesting Mecca must necessarily have been as it is today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period