Impressions of England from a friend of our ministry.

[Peter]

Not to overload you with questions .......

Don't ever worry about that my friend. Sorry for the delay. I am writing a video on the Serpent Seed doctrine and Arnold Murray and the "'Christian' Identity" groups (Nazis, skinheads, KKK)
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3150.0

....... but I may as well fire off this other one:

In the past 15 years there have been two thoroughly researched, scholarly books defending 1. The Historicity of the Resurrection 2. The Historical Existence of a Jesus Christ character.

Former atheist Lee Strobel does a good job of that as do other ex-atheists, as is usually the case from those that overcome any "doctrine" from ex-Muslims to ex-Roman Catholics.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2572.0

These are two which are (or were) said to stand above all others in taking an 'objective' (whatever that means) perspective like any Biblical Scholar of Higher Criticism.

If you are familiar with this there is no rush in answering this question. If you don't know that's fine.

Thank you very much, I really appreciate it.

An even more compelling case for me is the fulfillment of Jesus crucifixion in Old and new Testament prophecy.

Old Testament
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1007.0
New Testament including Jesus' own prophecies
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2439.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3080.0

statistical odds of this
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2447.0

[apollodorus]

Thank You.

[apollodorus]

I hope you won't mind another question. There are only Catholic Bibles to which I can immiediately refer so I cannot check this quickly.
Question: Are the Two Letters To Timothy and the Letter To Titus in your Protestant Bible?

(I have lost track of the denomination you follow. I know that you are 'born again' but you are coming from a certain denomination in your thinking, don't you? I assume that all Protestants: Lutherans, Calvinists, Baptists, Episcopaelians et al. have the same Bible Books don't they? And Catholics and Orthodox folk have a few extra books distinguishing them from Protestants. Is this picture correct?)

[Marturion]

I hope you won't mind another question. There are only Catholic Bibles to which I can immiediately refer so I cannot check this quickly.
Question: Are the Two Letters To Timothy and the Letter To Titus in your Protestant Bible?

(I have lost track of the denomination you follow. I know that you are 'born again' but you are coming from a certain denomination in your thinking, don't you? I assume that all Protestants: Lutherans, Calvinists, Baptists, Episcopaelians et al. have the same Bible Books don't they? And Catholics and Orthodox folk have a few extra books distinguishing them from Protestants. Is this picture correct?)

Protestants: Lutherans, Calvinists, Baptists, Episcopaelians et al. use many different Bible translations but to the best of my knowledge all Bible translations contain the 2 Epistles from Timothy and the 1 from Titus. I would suggest that of the English translations the KJV is without a doubt the most accurate translation.

[Peter]

I hope you won't mind another question. There are only Catholic Bibles to which I can immiediately refer so I cannot check this quickly.
Question: Are the Two Letters To Timothy and the Letter To Titus in your Protestant Bible?

Yes they are.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Ti&c=1&v=1&t=KJV#1
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Ti&c=1&v=1&t=KJV#1
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Tts&c=1&v=1&t=KJV#1

The Apocrypha was added to the Roman Catholic bible in 1546, I think as part of an anti-reformation effort. Those books are usually found between the Old and New Testaments in Catholic bibles, because they date to before the Christian era. Jews do not consider those books inspired, nor do Protestants because of internal errors.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=902.0

(I have lost track of the denomination you follow. I know that you are 'born again' but you are coming from a certain denomination in your thinking, don't you?

I guess the answer would be from Protestantism in general. The last church I attended was the non-denominational Calvary Chapel denomination.
Though I loved singing to the contemporary music with thousands of other Christians it became increasingly difficult for me to keep hearing the influence of futurist doctrine, threaded in. At least futurists have a big heart for the Lord and love Jews - and everybody else.

I assume that all Protestants: Lutherans, Calvinists, Baptists, Episcopaelians et al. have the same Bible Books don't they?

Yes. And most all should have to admit that the King James version is the most reliable, as it is based on the Textus Receptus Greek text. Modern bibles  are almost universally based on a corrupt 19th century minority Greek text penned by two English spiritualists named Westcott and Hort.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=81.0

And Catholics and Orthodox folk have a few extra books distinguishing them from Protestants. Is this picture correct?)

Uninspired books they added 1500 years into the Christian era. Let alone the steady stream of dogma, and particularly Mariology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Mariology

[apollodorus]

Now what do you say the original sin in the Garden of Eden was? What is meant by 'eating of the tree of the knowledge of good & evil'?

By the way, one example of the way Christians seek and challenge knowledge (like philosophers) in a way Muslims never could is seen in Fig Leaf Forum

http://www.figleafforum.com/

There is something very grovelling and slavish about Islam. Muslims cannot even shower communally (nude) like any athletes.
In Boarding School after P.E. the few Muslims students stood boastfully and proudly aside while other students showered. The Muslim students were always quite arrogant.

One boy kept saying week after week: Islam will conquer the U.K., Islam will conquer the U.K. (yes, believe it or not). This was back before the Muslim population was such a large eye-sore in London.

Thank you.

[apollodorus]

I cannot help but enclose this here:

Klezfiddle1
Restoring The Sound Of King David's Lyre
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eQOGFAVVjE

This is a man who attampts to restore the music of the Ancient World from Romans & Greeks to Jews & Egyptians with scholarly research and imaginitive deployment of the ancient performance practices...so far as we can glean them.

I have been telling others about this too. But no fans of Antiquity around me. Hope you enjoy!  :-)

[Peter]

Now what do you say the original sin in the Garden of Eden was? What is meant by 'eating of the tree of the knowledge of good & evil'?

By the way, one example of the way Christians seek and challenge knowledge (like philosophers) in a way Muslims never could is seen in Fig Leaf Forum

http://www.figleafforum.com/

There is no shortage of folks that falsely claim they are Christian, or have been deceived, or deceived themselves, into believing they are Christian. There are even some self-proclaimed Christian groups that promote unmarried sexual partner swapping, and a guy named Dr. Ralph Underwager who claims to be a Lutheran pastor who promotes pedophilia as being of God. 

When a person is born again, the law is written on our hearts.

There is something very grovelling and slavish about Islam. Muslims cannot even shower communally (nude) like any athletes.
In Boarding School after P.E. the few Muslims students stood boastfully and proudly aside while other students showered. The Muslim students were always quite arrogant.

One boy kept saying week after week: Islam will conquer the U.K., Islam will conquer the U.K. (yes, believe it or not). This was back before the Muslim population was such a large eye-sore in London.

Thank you.

The student was right, thanks to the secularization of Europe, as Winston Churchill had tacitly warned.

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live…The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities…but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa…and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.” - by Sir Winston Churchill - The River War, Vol. II, pp. 248-50, London; Longman, Green & Co., 1899

Quite prophetic words as Europe turned its back on God while Islam fills the vacuum. There are only two spiritual forces at work in this world. Good and evil.

[apollodorus]

By the way, lest I cause a misunderstanding (I seem to have done so) please know I am quite an advocate of Naturism for Christians, Pagans and all. (Obviously only those Christians who care to do it. There are different Christian Theologies, and there should be.)

From my side I was in no way implying the Fig Leaf Forum folk are fake Christians. You, however, are free to do so and I DO NOT wish to argue with you.

I will only add that the Clothist mentality damaged me psychologically when I was a child and I will not add more.

[apollodorus]

I ought to have posed those two comments (Fig Leaf Forum; Original Sin) as two seperate posts.

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So what do you say the Original Sin in the Garden of Eden was? Thank You.

[apollodorus]

...And clothing should be treated merely PRACTICALLY or merely DECORATIVELY.

Ha! Ha! I am too Greek most surely!  :-D

[apollodorus]

Genesis 3

3Now the serpent was more crafty than any other wild animal that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God say, ‘You shall not eat from any tree in the garden’?”2The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden;3but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, nor shall you touch it, or you shall die.’“4But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not die;5for God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate.7Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made loincloths for themselves.8They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden at the time of the evening breeze, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
9But the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, “Where are you?”10He said, “I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
11He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?”12The man said, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit from the tree, and I ate.”13Then the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this that you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent tricked me, and I ate.”
14The LORD God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, cursed are you among all animals and among all wild creatures; upon your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life.15I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will strike your head, and you will strike his heel.”
16To the woman he said, “I will greatly increase your pangs in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”
17And to the man he said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You shall not eat of it,’ cursed is the ground because of you; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life;18thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you; and you shall eat the plants of the field.19By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”
20The man named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
21And the LORD God made garments of skins for the man and for his wife, and clothed them.
22Then the LORD God said, “See, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”—23therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from which he was taken.24He drove out the man; and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim, and a sword flaming and turning to guard the way to the tree of life. [NRSV]

http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Genesis+1:27-31&vnum=yes&version=nrsv

“garments of skins”

I am very curious to know what is the meaning of the original Hebrew for “garments of skins”
Garments/of skins what precisely does this indicate.?

Christian writer Mary Jo Weaver has this to say in Introduction To Christianity (International Thomson Publishing, London, 1998), p. 33
 
“God created a man and a woman, gave them everything they could possibly want in terms of comfort and power, and added one more gift, freedom. God wanted them to respond freely, not by force. No, the biblical authors tell us, this gift of freedom was put to a test in a very direct way. God told them they could eat the fruit of every tree in the garden except one. It is the doctrine of conditional  joy…In religious language, we say that the first man and woman were tempted, egged on to do something they were not supposed to do. In the biblical story, the man and woman weakened and gave in, and the biblical author says it was because they were tempted by a clever serptent. How can we interpret this story, then? Were the man and woman out-smarted? Were they just weak and curious? Did they sin? Some believers interpret the action of the first man and woman as one of pride and self-deception, others as an expression of the desire of people to set their own limits, be their own God. Whatever the interpretation, their action, their disobedience, changed things—life was no longer lived in a beautiful garden. Painful realities entered into human life: work now included frustration and might be fruitless as well as difficult, birth occurred within a context of pain, and sickness and death became a part of human experience…”
And what was so worthy of suffering and death? One has to imagine, particularly a non-Christian not raised by Christians, like myself, will be quite curious.

This fellow says the original sin was sex!

MarkOfBeastRevealed

http://www.youtube.com/user/MarkofBeastRevealed?ob=0&feature=results_main

as in this video where he is quite passionate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIR-IpjxpxY

And the Muslims also think masturbation is evil and against their demon allah, as below from one sarmadq

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-dHgqldTEM

By the way, forgive me if these questions are quite basic. I will pose but one more basic question and perhaps not even soon. (Also do not feel rushed I understand you are quite busy.) Thank you so much! :-)

[Peter]

I ought to have posed those two comments (Fig Leaf Forum; Original Sin) as two seperate posts.

***

So what do you say the Original Sin in the Garden of Eden was? Thank You.

As the Islam Christian forum this subject is a bit off of the reservation but I'll entertain about one related question. You can google up lots  of folks that have devoted themselves to this area of scripture. I'd advise against seeking out folks that follow a god of their own creation that suits their convenience.

The original sin was the same as it is throughout the bible and unto today - disobedience to God. Adam and Eve didn't have any idea what sin was until they disobeyed God, whereupon their eyes were opened to good and evil (which is what the fruit of that tree imparted as a result of their disobedience) and they felt shame for having disobeyed God. Since their nakedness didn't have anything to do with their sin, based on their reaction I can easily assume that walking around naked is sinful and shameful. If Adam and Eve hadn't sinned perhaps the normal state of mankind would be naked today. But they blew it, so it isn't.

[Peter]

By the way, lest I cause a misunderstanding (I seem to have done so) please know I am quite an advocate of Naturism for Christians, Pagans and all. (Obviously only those Christians who care to do it. There are different Christian Theologies, and there should be.)

From a Christian standpoint, only if they can be supported by scripture. Also we try to stick to the King James bible. http://www.blueletterbible.org/ Being with nature doesn't equal, or isn't the same as, being with God. They are two separate subjects. Scripture, as well as what you might call my conscience, indicates to me that I should feel shame if I were to walk around naked. Here may be a couple more hints.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=naked+shame&t=KJV&sf=5

Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed [is] he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

So in trying to keep from disobeying God I wear clothes. I always try to err on the safe side. I'm happiest when I am being obedient to God and unhappy when I am not. In this case the answer is obvious if nothing more than clothed = normal, and naked = not normal, or aberrant. Let alone the extra energy that would be burned to keep warm!

From my side I was in no way implying the Fig Leaf Forum folk are fake Christians. You, however, are free to do so and I DO NOT wish to argue with you.

I will only add that the Clothist mentality damaged me psychologically when I was a child and I will not add more.

[apollodorus]

Thank you very much, I believe I now understand.

IF original sin is disobedience to your God's command, and such is carried from the Beginning by Man unto this Day,
THEN if God commands anything, whatever it is, however drastic or extreme, you are obliged to do it; and the measure of recognizing your God's command from something making merely the appearance of your God (e.g. aliens, evil spirits, demons) is determined by the outlines of your Holy Book.

So the original sin is merely general: 'disobeying God's command' NOT specific: e.g. 'engaging in sex' as MarkOfBeastRevealed says.
 
I only summed it up because I am interested in ensuring I understand.

My next post will be on Islam.

Thank you very much again, I appreciate it! :-)

[Peter]

Thank you very much, I believe I now understand.

IF original sin is disobedience to your God's command, and such is carried from the Beginning by Man unto this Day,
THEN if God commands anything, whatever it is, however drastic or extreme, you are obliged to do it; and the measure of recognizing your God's command from something making merely the appearance of your God (e.g. aliens, evil spirits, demons) is determined by the outlines of your Holy Book.

So the original sin is merely general: 'disobeying God's command' NOT specific: e.g. 'engaging in sex' as MarkOfBeastRevealed says.

Scripture does not say sex is wrong between two married people. If it were wrong then it would mean that God didn't want mankind to exist (though I can see how He must have had His fill of us by now!). Sex outside of a marital relationship is fornication and is sin. God makes these rules for our benefit. Consider the explosion in STDs vaginal warts AIDS and such that result from sexual promiscuity outside of marriage.
 

I only summed it up because I am interested in ensuring I understand.

My next post will be on Islam.

Thank you very much again, I appreciate it! :-)

[apollodorus]

I have requested to mirror this superb and entertaining video:

Video: Watch This And You Will Convert To Islam
User: ChristianKing2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htcrNQYBAKA

This is an excellent educational piece on how violently and with how much bloodshed Profit $$$ Mohammed spread his false message, erasing the ancient customs of people around him. This video is about how his army brutally and devilishly tore apart the elderly matriarch of a local Arab tribe.

Last night I was pleased to see educational and heart-warming comments from a Christian, one '2704Michael' below this video:

"don't give me any [****] about them being kaffir and that that is exceptable that would be intolerant wouldn't it and islam isn't intolerant or is it. i will say thankyou islam for waking me up bringing me closer to my christian roots, moral decent people all over the world a realizing its time for change they are taking notice of what is happening all tolerant religions all races all creeds don't want anymore of what you have to offer"

"don't forget to google muslim rape gangs europe or just check the stats for rape in sweden and compare it to the muslim demographic for that country it is shameful, another stat check the muslim demographic against the social welfare budget in Sweden its f***en wrong and you all should be ashamed"
 
Now a Muslim, one 'salptl' is filthying the area with Taqqiya. At first I thought his reply to my own comment was a joke because it said "LOVE AND RESPECT TO ALL OF YOU, THATS ISLAM." But he has been at the war-path against this video, preaching that Joseph father of Jesus was a pedophile like Mohammed, and insisting how gentle the real hadith really is:

The learning of salptl:

"This video is a joke and a spoof made by an idiot and if people watching cant figure that they really need help. If people want to learn about islam they should learn it through research and talking to scholars about what is true and not true."

That Joseph was a dirty old man:

"....there is nothing in the Gospels of the New Testament to contradict these accounts, and the Gospel stories are not at all inconsistent with these ages for Mary and Joseph. You stick to your roots,(lakum deenukum waliyadeen).Stop coming out with bull [****] about islam, this video is a joke, nothing to do with conversion to islam, Respect islam as i respect all other relgions.Grow up and move on."

"They selected the husband by drawing lots, and Joseph whom they chose was an elderly man, being according to some accounts ninety years old. The husband was selected and Mary was handed over to him, and she played no part in his selection. While the Western Christian churches may not accept these accounts as authentic, the Eastern churches in Europe do accept that Mary was 12 years old and Joseph a widower 90 years old when they married. Moreover......."

In response to a man quoting Hadith and exposing them as violent & intolerant 'salpl' says:
 
 "@gin shahi Muslim was written 200 years after the prophet pbuh past away. As I said Hadith collectors didn't give stringent validity and reliability tests on Hadith that were related to historical matters. They did for practical aspects of islam such as how to pray, bath, marriage, etc"

...and salpl says much else besides this over several pages, upholding the Hadith as rosy-white and a flower-child hippy love affair with world peace or whatever he wants the ignorant to think.

Muslims are creepy little beasts, I have lived around them. So much bottled-up anger against non-Muslims! Because of my playlists ISLAM EXPOSED and PETE WALDO - ISLAM EXPLORED, and the Islamic Apologetics which wound up in my box some months ago, some Islamic Preachment organization may be watching my activities, along with hundreds of other channels which object to their bloodthirsty little religion (superstition). Just a thought.

[resistingrexmundi]

I have only glanced over the above comments and I just have a few of my own to make. Some of the language that is being used is particularly un-Christian. Using epithets against muslims is not the way to go. Calling them little beasts is not right and is equating the doctrines of Islam with muslims. Bear in mind that many muslims are not orthodox and are just as ignorant of their religion as many non-muslims. We are trying to win hearts and minds and for that reason we must ourselves not resort to the type of tactics that are employed against us.

God bless

[Peter]

So much bottled-up anger against non-Muslims!

I try not to use people's YouTube user IDs in this forum without clearing it with them firs.
Regarding the bottled-up anger you sense seems to be it may be rooted in jealousy for all those around them that live in freedom, with self-determination. I think that's the biggest reason they want to subjugate everyone to Islam - so everyone has to suffer along with them. For example:

"'Christians must accept Islamic rule'
Militant leader in Gaza says missionaries will be 'dealt with harshly,' demands women wear headscarfs.
Christians can only continue living safely in the Gaza Strip if they accept Islamic law, including a ban on alcohol and on women roaming publicly without proper head coverings, an Islamist militant leader in Gaza told WND in an exclusive interview."
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3414753,00.html

And yes, as resisting indicated name-calling tends to harden hearts, rather than to open them. The only hope for our kids future is for those poor folks to ask Jesus for a hand.

[apollodorus]

I agree with resistingrexmundi wholeheartedly that unkind epithets are undesirable and to be avoided in the future. Please accept my apologies for them. May I request that the user's ID names be altered to fake ones so as to conceal identity. That is something I should have remembered to do. Apologies again.

[apollodorus]

Please feel free to edit the above post containing said epithets as liberally as is wished. Thank you very much.

[apollodorus]

Regarding the earlier post (March 28) in which you mentioned the Talmud and how it is used to attack Jews, I want to clarify that my cousins are married to Jews, one is married to a Persian-Jewish Antiquities dealer whose family fled Iran at the downfall of the Shah. My other cousin is married to an old family of English Jews who are very charming. I have NO unfriendly relationship with Jews and have had (compared to some) fairly frequent exposure to them.

When walking down the streets of London I have passed extremely religious Jews, or those Jews who are obviously proudly Jewish and never received a kind of 'hateful energy' from them. My family is bi-racial and my best friend is black. I get good old-fashioned warm-hearted service from a thick-accented Israeli man at my local computer store.

At university a graduate student come at me week after week, month after month with the equivalent of a doctoral dissertation on how Jews ruined the World: Talmud quotes, Conspiracy Theories & impeccable defenses of them, e.g. Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, et al. I had no retort or argument to counter him. But I really didn't care and was not interested in making scapegoats of Jews or hating them.

My point is that I'm not prone to hatred in the way some other personalities may be. The first challenge in my life has come from Islam, first living in a half-Islamic area of London for years with daily but silent hostility; secondly learning about the Global threat to Freedom from militant Islam and the 'jihad-through-high-birth-rate' which Islam expects from its adherants to ensure a 'heaven' in the hereafter.

I have been challenged by Islam and have never been spiteful towards an Islamic person in real life, I abhor treating people badly. But here in the realm of mere words in the nether-region of the internet I really must offer my apologies once again if some spite came through and I failed where I have been so kindly invited (this forum).

Christians in Islamic countries face a serious challenge for their hearts & souls. Blessings to them!

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Thank you.

[Peter]

Regarding the earlier post (March 28) in which you mentioned the Talmud and how it is used to attack Jews, I want to clarify that my cousins are married to Jews, one is married to a Persian-Jewish Antiquities dealer whose family fled Iran at the downfall of the Shah. My other cousin is married to an old family of English Jews who are very charming. I have NO unfriendly relationship with Jews and have had (compared to some) fairly frequent exposure to them.

When walking down the streets of London I have passed extremely religious Jews, or those Jews who are obviously proudly Jewish and never received a kind of 'hateful energy' from them. My family is bi-racial and my best friend is black. I get good old-fashioned warm-hearted service from a thick-accented Israeli man at my local computer store.

At university a graduate student come at me week after week, month after month with the equivalent of a doctoral dissertation on how Jews ruined the World: Talmud quotes, Conspiracy Theories & impeccable defenses of them, e.g. Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, et al. I had no retort or argument to counter him. But I really didn't care and was not interested in making scapegoats of Jews or hating them.

As I investigated the sources of anti-Zionism more and more I was stunned at the number of folks peddling the Elders of Zion and other anti-Semitic propaganda. While Jews accomplishments may be over represented in Hollywood and banking, they are also overrepresented in the fields of science, physics, chemistry, literature, etc. with 20% of Nobel prizes going to Jews even though they only compose 0.2% of the world's population. They are driven to work hard, achieve and succeed.
I increasingly find those who believe themselves to be Christians that have been duped into joining the Muslims, Nazis, skinheads and the KKK. The last three groups holding a heresy called the Serpent Seed. It is the subject of my next video.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3150.0
I had a YouTuber comment on my Zionism video and in my YouTube PM box who introduced me to it who was seduced by this "doctrine of devils".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3134.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3128.0

My point is that I'm not prone to hatred in the way some other personalities may be. The first challenge in my life has come from Islam, first living in a half-Islamic area of London for years with daily but silent hostility; secondly learning about the Global threat to Freedom from militant Islam ......

That's true Islam. The true Muslims consider the peaceful ones that don't have an interest in taking over the world, apostates. They certainly aren't like their prophet under which all of Saudi Arabia was conquered during his life, and the First Islamic Jihad went on to conquer nearly the whole known world up into France and Austria.

...... and the 'jihad-through-high-birth-rate' which Islam expects from its adherants to ensure a 'heaven' in the hereafter.

I have been challenged by Islam and have never been spiteful towards an Islamic person in real life, I abhor treating people badly. But here in the realm of mere words in the nether-region of the internet I really must offer my apologies once again if some spite came through and I failed where I have been so kindly invited (this forum).

Christians in Islamic countries face a serious challenge for their hearts & souls. Blessings to them!

Evermore around the world, and particularly now with the Muslim Brotherhood taking over the middle east and burning churches and killing our Christian brethren in Egypt.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=51.0

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Thank you.

If you want I can remove the little name calling from your post, but it might help someone in the future understand that it's inappropriate in this forum.

Thank you too, my friend.

[apollodorus]

"If you want I can remove the little name calling from your post, but it might help someone in the future understand that it's inappropriate in this forum.

Thank you too, my friend."

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Thank you for your kindness. Please leave the name-calling as it stands if and only if you know it will assist this forum.

Peace.

[Peter]

"If you want I can remove the little name calling from your post, but it might help someone in the future understand that it's inappropriate in this forum.

Thank you too, my friend."

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Thank you for your kindness. Please leave the name-calling as it stands if and only if you know it will assist this forum.

Peace.

Hope the thread looks a bit more recent. I think the forum is working a bit snappier.
Good news! I was finally given access to the uploader at ZippCast and am uploading "History of Mecca" now. Will do a few more today if I don't get knocked off or something like that. Will try "Is Islam a Religion" in two parts next.
http://www.zippcast.com/user/PeteWaldo

[edit add] Looks like they still have problems with server speed. The video keeps "buffering". I'll try a low resolution video for the next one.