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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #125 on: March 08, 2012, 04:57:21 AM »
Injeel is a Syriac word in Muhammad's Quran that he falsely claimed was "pure Arabic". In fact Arabic is a modern language on the scene, not even having a written form until into the christian era. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1693.0

You realy don't have anyidea what does "pure Arabic" mean :D And you are givig Quran lessons to me  ;D

Sahih Bukhari B52 #177 Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "the Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Sahih Muslim B41, #6981 Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me) ; kill him. (repeated)

That's why Hitler and the Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem worked hand in hand in genocide of Jews, with 2 Islamic panzer divisions.

What are you talking about?  ;D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56uZRlpiM4

This video explains it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8sk3fKY9PhY
Perhaps if I illustrate it:



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Hadith: Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh servant of Allah, oh Muslim, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!

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The spirit of antichrist forces you to run away from the verses that express the love God expressed for us through the Gospel, like the ones that I detailed in this post:

I don't have time for that long posts. I told you. And as I told you Idon't care what you believe in.

The words you chose shows your paradigms.

I was being honest and chose the word used in the Gospel.

Don't stop than. Call the people lier and be rude.

What would you have me call them? An untruth teller?
I already whitewash Muhammad and his followers rape of prisoners by calling it abuse. (click on the link)

I don't do it without cause or reason. The Hajj and Umrah are rituals of Muhammad's tribe the Quraish, that they practiced long before Muhammad invented his religion. Circumambulation of the Kaaba and venerating it's black stone idol, and running back and forth between Safa and Marwah in pagan Arabian jinn-devil worship. The pagans continued to engage in their rituals, shoulder to shoulder with Muhammad's followers until the year before Muhammad's last Hajj, when the pagans were kicked out of their own ritual.
The occult monotheistic Sabian moon worshipers that Muhammad also copied from, prostrated while praying, prayed in repetitions 5 times a day, practiced ablution, fasted for 30 days during daylight hours in the same month as Ramadan, and wore long white robes.

Maybe you are rong ;D

Do you mean you didn't even know that Hajj and Umrah are nothing more than thinly repackaged Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals?

Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2.158) (Sahih al-Bukhari 2 Book 26 710)

Muhammad's followers engage in those pagan rituals simply because Muhammad told his followers to engage in them. His effort was to try to be inclusive of the pagans to sell his cult to them.

Islam is perhaps worse than paganism because it is the ONLY specifically anti-Gospel cult. It instills in it's followers to DISbelieve the whole subject of the Gospel, DENY the Son of God and REJECT the shed blood of the Messiah that would save Muhammad's followers from sin. Islam is antichrist.
Whereas pagans, worshiping the moon or sun through their ignorance for example, may well have been saved because of their ignorance, as long as they never came to understand - and then reject - the one true God as He revealed Himself through the scriptures.

I don't care what you believe in. How can I be more clear.  ::)

That's right. You can't care about anything but Muhammad in order to follow Muhammad. You have to void your mind of scripture, history, archaeology and geography until you clean your mind to the level of a 7th century desert dwelling illiterate.
I simply explained to you why it is I used the term pagan.

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #126 on: March 08, 2012, 05:29:46 AM »
I believe YOU misunderstand if you don't see why your fellow Muslims are engaged in terror attacks and conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims all around the world. Earlier I wrote....

Sahih Al-Bukhari - "Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its Pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah is made superior and He becomes the only God who may be worshiped. By Jihad Islam is propagated and made superior. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position. Their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, and Muslim rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape this duty dies as a hypocrite." page 580 of Maktba Dar-us-Salam's Sahih Al-Bukhari

Brother, you don't even know what the word Jihad means. In your dictionaries it says in Cambride dictionary: a holy war which is fought by Muslims against people who are a threat to the Islamic religion or who oppose its teachings.
This is what you know. And you know what, that not right.

Here is our dictionary says: http://www.sozluk.net/index.php?word=cihad
Check the link. But those words to you dictionary and tell me what "İlim ve imanla, sözle, fiile" means. What you will find is ilim=science iman=belief Fiil=act.
Let me go faster. Chihad means: Fighting agains devil. Not against people.

Then please explain to us what the Islamic First Jihad was doing engaging in imperialistic conquest all the way up to France and Austria.
Perhaps Muhammad's followers had to travel all the way up into France and Austria to fight the devil, and all those innocent people just happened to get in the way?

Oh wait, I forgot. No non-Muslim is innocent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fliG1doz240

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #127 on: March 08, 2012, 05:40:18 AM »
Prayin is a chihad. Teaching, feeding poor is chihad. Even smiling chihad.

78.    And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline). He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the religion of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind! So establish regular prayer, give Zakat, and hold fast to Allah. He is your Protector - the Best to protect and the Best to help!

78.    Ve cahidu fillahi hakka cihadil hüvectebüküm ve ma ceale aleyküm fid dıni min harac millete ebıküm ibrahım hüve semmakümül müslimıne min kablü ve fı haza lı yekuner rasulü ÅŸehıden aleyküm ve ketunu şühedae alen nas fe ekıymüs salate ve atüz zekate va'tesımu billah hüve mevlaküm fe nı'mel mevla ve nı'men nesıyr

But, what you want to see is misguided people.

But that's the whole point. Are you going to walk up to a true follower of Muhammad that is about to behead an innocent non-Muslim and tell him he is misguided? NO. If he commands you to pick up the other beheading knife, and behead another innocent non-Muslim or he will behead you, you are going to comply. Satan is in control of the true fundamental Muslims through the spirit of antichrist. You just haven't been compelled to get there yet.

You still give me numbers of death people. Even that number is not enough for the Afkan civil people only. You are still doing that.

Arab Muslims killed or displaced 2 million innocent people in the Sudan alone. The new Muslim government killed another thousand Christians on the Ivory Coast of Africa. Church bombings and burnings all around the world.



How do you explain over 18,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world just since 9-11?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #128 on: March 08, 2012, 06:07:04 AM »
You tried to run and hide by offering abrogated drivel from Muhammad's Mecca days and excusing it away falsely as "history", but that is a footnote from the Noble Quran. Those are marching orders. It doesn't say "...He who tries to escape this duty died as a hypocrite." but "dies" in the present tense. AS IN TODAY!

Run what? I gave answer to that. If the those books hasn't been changed, Quran hasn't been send to all people. And If you don't have a physical evidence that Mecca has been existed in the old days, so what?

That means that all the lies you have been taught, that were created in the 7th to 10th century AD, about Abraham, Hagar or Ishmael ever having been within a thousand kilometers of where Mecca was eventually built, is a lie.
That is further shown to be a lie because scripture, history, archaeology and geography tell us that Abraham was never within a thousand kilometers of where Mecca was eventually built in the 4th century.

They probably prevented you from learning how to read a map in the madrass, but if you somehow learned on your own, here is where the scriptural, archaeological and geographical records tell us Abraham's travels actually took him.



Islamic so-called "tradition" is nothing but FICTION CREATED in the 7th to 10th centuries by a bunch of semi-literate SW Arabian desert dwellers, that masquerades as history, yet was written thousands of years after Abraham.
All lies. Pure poppycock - from Abraham to Zamzam.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2026.0
What could be more ignorant than throwing stones at the devil - a spiritual force? What we actually see is Satan lulling his victims into actually believing they are gaining protection from himself, even as they are engaging in pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals centered around the Quraish pagan's black stone idol and pagan kaaba they built to house their idols.

Quran dose not say there was city at the times of Hz.Abraham. And Quran also points that. And as a prophet of Allah Hz.Abraham has showen miracles and If you askme like, "Hey! Muslim! Can Hz.Abaham make a journey in desert like that" Then I say, "If the fire of Nemruth did not burned him, Yes, he can, without a doubt.

So please tell us who you think would win an argument between yourself, and a true fundamental follower of Muhammad that gets Islam, and was holding a beheading knife in one hand and whose fighting non-Muslims is supported by the Quran in his other hand which is the same honest understanding of imperialistic conquest that Islamic history confirms?

The answer is obvious that it will continue to be Satan who wins all such disputes among Muhammad's followers. By advancing Islam you are subjugating your heirs to be ruled by whichever is the most violent and reprobate faction among Muhammad's followers that emerges in the future, that is the most ruthless, brutal and murderous. Whichever faction it ultimately is, will make the Taliban look like saints.

I didn't understand the question here. Ask it in a simple way.

Who would win an argument? You trying to advance the lie that pretends Islam is a religion of peace?
Or a true follower of Muhammad that disagrees with you and holds a beheading knife in one hand, and is supported by his Quran and a 1400 year history of Islamic imperialistic conquest and slaughter in the other.

By following Muhammad you are condemning your future heirs to being ruled over by the likes of the Taliban, or whichever more evil Islamic faction comes along to take their place. Ultimately the most evil and murderous faction must necessarily win, because Satan is in control of antichrist Islam and has been for 1400 years.

..... ask it. Just put the sure and ayeth number and ask it. That's all.
Ok.
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Unless and until you can provide a compelling scriptural, historical, archaeological or geographical basis to reject the sinless Messiah and the sacrifice He made for us, to instead follow a stand-alone 7th century mass murdering, female prisoner abusing, child doing, self-admitted terrorist, thief through his 23 year record - that is exactly opposite the account of the Gospel, which is confirmed by the historical, archaeological, geographical and scriptural evidence - then all you would be posting in here is pure blasphemy against the one true God of the scriptures. Simply click on each characterization of Muhammad to see the truth from your own books.
But then since Mecca never existed before the 4th century AD it is pointless for you to even try to attempt such a feat.


What kind of a sentence is this? Are trying to break the record longest sentence? ;D
I don't know if I get it wright, but I think you are trying to say you have some "historical, archaeological, geographical and scriptural evidence" of something. If you believe on what you have, go on believing them. Don't ask me about them.
If it's about what Quran says about there parts of Allah it says this

Since the Quran was inspired by the father of lies - Satan - and is the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel, you are going to need to PROVIDE EVIDENCE OF IT'S HISTORICITY before you squander any more forum space by posting any more 7th century Muhammadan created fiction in here.

This is also a proof that I am not hiding something.

4/163.    We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms.

MOSES was inspired to write about Noah. Muhammad is a liar.

4/171.    O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Three (Trinity)" ......

But you already admitted to believing in 2 parts of the "trinity" way back in the post at this link:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12435#msg12435

When you admitted:

And my answer no, Creator has THE spirit, not has A spirit.

God's Spirit is one of the 3 parts, of what is sometimes called the "trinity".
So does God have the Spirit or is Muhammad spreading falsehood?

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #129 on: March 08, 2012, 06:14:15 AM »
Now Hitler is Muslim? Rihgt ;D
That man with white hat is the representative of Allah? Go a head.
Put some ones sayings instead of Quran, go a head.
Want me to put the pictures of the people who was killed by Juwes, no I won't do that.
Want me to put the pictures of Christians killed Muslims, no I woun't do that. I even sorry for giving the link Christians killde Muslims and eated their flesh. You know what I call you? I will call you Brother.

You realy don't know what hac is. You think we worship other than Allah.  ;D You just want to ignore the truth.
Look up, has I sad anything bad about your belief? What ever you say, what ever you do? My fear for you is; quit believing your Creator.
Hate Muslims, I don't care.
Hate me, I don't care.
Trust your history view of Christianty and mould Muslims, I don't care.
You thing we worship Kabe or something like that, I don't care.
These are between you and your Creator. If Creator wants to answer you, that's his business. Not mine.
And you know what we all going to see the truth in the future. Death is not that far. And here is what Hz.Jesus(PBH) says...

17.    They disbelieved indeed those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and every one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things."

116.    And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah.?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

117.    "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.

118.    "If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servant: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise."

9/31.    They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords beside Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One God. there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #130 on: March 08, 2012, 06:29:46 AM »
Who would win an argument? You trying to advance the bull that pretends Islam is a religion of peace?

Yes, I would win an argument. Because which you still couldn't understand. Islam is religion of peace and what you have is Christianty view side of history Why can't you understand only your view side of the history. Are you reading what I wrote. Let me check. Muhammed Ali is the best singer in the world.  And I don't need any historical evidence for Quran is as word of Rahman.
Tell me brother are montains move?

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« Reply #131 on: March 08, 2012, 06:34:34 AM »
But you already admitted to believing in 2 parts of the "trinity" way back in the post at this link:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12435#msg12435

Did I? Look down


It’s nice to have an agreement, but we couldn’t have. Creator is much more complex than we can ever imagine. Let's say we are talking about the sun. In the middle of the daytime it’s everywhere. It’s THE light of the sun. Light is not a thing, and you can’t count, and it is not a part of the sun. Even we can say it’s a part of the sun, we can’t say the parts of the sun is sun and the sunlight. I mean, we can’t say sun= sun+sunlight. And we are talkin about the Creator which is not a thing, which has no atoms, no protons etc… It’s is everwhere and it’s surrounds every created ones. I mean we can’t even say Creator is one. In Quran Surah Ihlas 112/1,  it says, “Kul huvallahu ehad. Not, “Kul huvallahu vahd.”  Vahd means, one. Ehad word does not have an exact meaning in English, but the closer meaning is, one and only. I can see you are a clever person and I am sure you can understand what I mean when you think about it. Sorry for writing to much.  :) Sometimes my fingers dosen't know where to stop.

And my answer to your question is, yes, I am familiar with the passage.

Please go on...

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #132 on: March 08, 2012, 06:35:24 AM »
Now Hitler is Muslim? Rihgt ;D

No Hitler followed Satan. He was even a fan of Madame Blavatsky, the famous 19th century Satanist.
It is Satan that inspired Hitler to genocide of God's people - the Jews.
Just as it was Satan that inspired Muhammad to genocide of Jews.
http://www.petewaldo.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm

Tabari VIII:38 "The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims."

Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."

Qur'an 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things."

Don't give me any more nonsense that those innocent, faithful, peaceful Jewish farm boys had it coming to them, until you show me from the Quran or Hadith where you get that from. The Banu Qurayza were not the betrayers, but were the betrayed.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2081.0

That's why Nazism and Islam were such a good fit and the partnership was born.

That man with white hat is the representative of Allah? Go a head.
Put some ones sayings instead of Quran, go a head.
Want me to put the pictures of the people who was killed by Juwes, no I won't do that.
Want me to put the pictures of Christians killed Muslims, no I woun't do that.

You are working double time for the father of lies. The diversion won't work. I SHOWED YOU over and over where THE QURAN AND HADITH call Muhammad's followers to fight and slay.
For heaven's sake read it in your own books. The term fight is used 287 times in Bukhari alone. Click here.
It is a lie to suggest that those verses describe a spiritual struggle and anyone who believe they do is a liar.
http://www.petewaldo.com/jihad.htm

Even the Arabian pagans were decent enough not to fight around all of their pagan Kaabas throughout Arabia, but Muhammad couldn't even keep that rule, and gave himself another "revelation" from his "alter ego" "Allah" to excuse it away.

http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=3&translator=1&start=0&number=104#104
If anybody argues that fighting is allowed in Mecca as Allah's Apostle did fight (in Mecca), tell him that Allah gave permission to His Apostle, but He did not give it to you. (Book #3, Hadith #104)

I asked you repeatedly to show me where THE GOSPEL CALLS Christians are called to kill Jews, Muslims AND CHRISTIANS, as the Roman Church did.
You claimed you read the Gospel. I am not going to let you off the hook until you answer this rather than try to blow another smokescreen up over the rape, pillage and plunder of Islamic imperialistic conquest.
WHERE DOES THE GOSPEL CALL CHRISTIANS TO FIGHT NON-CHRISTIANS?

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #133 on: March 08, 2012, 06:47:15 AM »
Yes, I would win an argument. Because which you still couldn't understand. Islam is religion of peace and what you have is Christianty view side of history Why can't you understand only your view side of the history. Are you reading what I wrote. Let me check. Muhammed Ali is the best singer in the world.  And I don't need any historical evidence for Quran is as word of Rahman.
Tell me brother are montains move?

You are not reading the thing I write. That's over.
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« Reply #134 on: March 08, 2012, 06:54:41 AM »
Yes, I would win an argument. Because which you still couldn't understand. Islam is religion of peace and what you have is Christianty view side of history Why can't you understand only your view side of the history.

Because all of the hatred, fighting and evil I quoted COMES FROM YOUR BOOKS.
Yet you couldn't cite a single instance where the Gospel incites Christians to do the same.

Are you reading what I wrote. Let me check. Muhammed Ali is the best singer in the world.  And I don't need any historical evidence for Quran is as word of Rahman.
Tell me brother are montains move?

You are not reading the thing I write. That's over.
Peace

What is that supposed to mean?

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #135 on: March 08, 2012, 06:56:53 AM »
Are you having fun with me?

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #136 on: March 08, 2012, 06:57:02 AM »
Yes, I would win an argument. Because which you still couldn't understand. Islam is religion of peace and what you have is Christianty view side of history Why can't you understand only your view side of the history.

Because all of the hatred, fighting and evil I quoted COMES FROM YOUR BOOKS.
Yet you couldn't cite a single instance where the Gospel incites Christians to do the same.

Are you reading what I wrote. Let me check. Muhammed Ali is the best singer in the world.  And I don't need any historical evidence for Quran is as word of Rahman.
Tell me brother are montains move?

You are not reading the thing I write. That's over.
Peace

What is that supposed to mean?

It means what it says. All that evil, hatred, fighting and genocide I cited COMES FROM YOUR BOOKS, not some "Christianty view side".

Now please show us where the Gospel calls Christians to fight and slay, the way the Quran demands of Muhammad's followers - just as his true followers, the terrorists, obey.

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« Reply #137 on: March 08, 2012, 06:58:41 AM »
Yes, I would win an argument. Because which you still couldn't understand. Islam is religion of peace and what you have is Christianty view side of history Why can't you understand only your view side of the history.

Because all of the hatred, fighting and evil I quoted COMES FROM YOUR BOOKS.
Yet you couldn't cite a single instance where the Gospel incites Christians to do the same.

Are you reading what I wrote. Let me check. Muhammed Ali is the best singer in the world.  And I don't need any historical evidence for Quran is as word of Rahman.
Tell me brother are montains move?

You are not reading the thing I write. That's over.
Peace

What is that supposed to mean?

It means what it says. All that evil, hatred, fighting and genocide COMES FROM YOUR BOOKS, not some "Christianty view side".

You know what I am talking about. This is not nice.

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« Reply #138 on: March 08, 2012, 07:02:40 AM »
Are you having fun with me?

You may think it's funny today, but what does scripture say about the false prophet Muhammad and his Islamic kingdom "beast"?

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #139 on: March 08, 2012, 07:04:42 AM »
Yes, I would win an argument. Because which you still couldn't understand. Islam is religion of peace and what you have is Christianty view side of history Why can't you understand only your view side of the history.

Because all of the hatred, fighting and evil I quoted COMES FROM YOUR BOOKS.
Yet you couldn't cite a single instance where the Gospel incites Christians to do the same.

Are you reading what I wrote. Let me check. Muhammed Ali is the best singer in the world.  And I don't need any historical evidence for Quran is as word of Rahman.
Tell me brother are montains move?

You are not reading the thing I write. That's over.
Peace

What is that supposed to mean?

It means what it says. All that evil, hatred, fighting and genocide COMES FROM YOUR BOOKS, not some "Christianty view side".

You know what I am talking about. This is not nice.

I agree. Calls to genocide and following a 7th century mass murdering megalomaniac are not nice. So why don't you repent and leave those satanic books behind?

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« Reply #140 on: March 08, 2012, 07:09:59 AM »
Are you having fun with me?

You may think it's funny today, but what does scripture say about the false prophet Muhammad and his Islamic kingdom "beast"?

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

You will erase the things I wrote don't you. You are not even reading what I write.

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #141 on: March 08, 2012, 07:13:47 AM »
But you already admitted to believing in 2 parts of the "trinity" way back in the post at this link:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12435#msg12435

Did I? Look down

It’s nice to have an agreement, but we couldn’t have. Creator is much more complex than we can ever imagine. Let's say we are talking about the sun. In the middle of the daytime it’s everywhere. It’s THE light of the sun. Light is not a thing, and you can’t count, and it is not a part of the sun. Even we can say it’s a part of the sun, we can’t say the parts of the sun is sun and the sunlight. I mean, we can’t say sun= sun+sunlight. And we are talkin about the Creator which is not a thing, which has no atoms, no protons etc… It’s is everwhere and it’s surrounds every created ones. I mean we can’t even say Creator is one. In Quran Surah Ihlas 112/1,  it says, “Kul huvallahu ehad. Not, “Kul huvallahu vahd.”  Vahd means, one. Ehad word does not have an exact meaning in English, but the closer meaning is, one and only. I can see you are a clever person and I am sure you can understand what I mean when you think about it. Sorry for writing to much.  :) Sometimes my fingers dosen't know where to stop.

And my answer to your question is, yes, I am familiar with the passage.

Please go on...

The sun is a good example. You already believe in God and His Spirit - two parts of the trinity.
Now think of God as the sun, and the radiation it produces as the Holy Spirit, and the light from the sun as our Savior. Scripture even refers to Him as the light.

John 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.   2  The same was in the beginning with God.    3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.    4  In him was life; and the life was the light of men.   5  And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm

That doesn't mean there are 3 different suns, but rather the ONE sun manifest in 3 different ways.

14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 10:30 I and [my] Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

The "one" in that sentence is neuter gender meaning of one essence. One and the same. That's why the Jews wanted to kill Jesus - for blasphemy.

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #142 on: March 08, 2012, 07:16:23 AM »
Are you having fun with me?

You may think it's funny today, but what does scripture say about the false prophet Muhammad and his Islamic kingdom "beast"?

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

You will erase the things I wrote don't you. You are not even reading what I write.

You are not even answering this...

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #143 on: March 08, 2012, 07:18:37 AM »
Are you having fun with me?

You may think it's funny today, but what does scripture say about the false prophet Muhammad and his Islamic kingdom "beast"?

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

You will erase the things I wrote don't you. You are not even reading what I write.

You are not even answering this...

I was in the process when you repeated it. I don't erase things in the forum as all of these chats are very instructive for Muslims that arrive here that are actually seeking truth. They will be able to learn from your running and hiding and obfuscating that you haven't succeeded in defending what you believe yet. We have had people come in here that kept ignoring replies to them, while copy and pasting and posting new material instead. When they persisted I put their posts in storage, until such time as they answered to the posts they had been ignoring. Please read forum decorum.

It is you that has been ignoring my posts, and ignoring the verses I have shown you from your own books.

It is you that ignored me when I asked you repeatedly to please show us where the Gospel calls Christians to fight and slay non-Christians.

Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

If you can't show us where in the Gospel Christians are called to fight and slay then, once again, we find Muhammad to be a liar.
Though certainly not as big as his lie that Jesus wasn't crucified - denying the whole subject of the Gospel - because of his wife Khadijah's cousin Waraqa's occult gnosticism http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2749.0

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #144 on: March 08, 2012, 07:44:42 AM »
Are you having fun with me?

You may think it's funny today, but what does scripture say about the false prophet Muhammad and his Islamic kingdom "beast"?

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

You will erase the things I wrote don't you. You are not even reading what I write.

You are not even answering this...

I was in the process when you repeated it. I don't erase things in the forum. We have had people come in here and keep ignoring my replies and posting new material instead. If they persist I put their posts in storage until they answer to the posts they are ignoring. Please read forum decorum. You are not even reading what I write.

It is you that has been ignoring my posts, and ignoring the verses I have shown you from your own books.

I asked you repeatedly to please show us where the Gospel calls Christians to fight and slay non-Christians.

See, you are not readin what I wrote. I answerd tham all. I said hadises and the people are not the representative of Allah. And why I don't point things in Bible is, even the Bible has been changed there can be some words of Allah in it. And that is not nice. At the times of Bible those things can be needed to told by Allah. Even if it look something bad for our times, (now a days) in the years of 0 (Zero) they can be normal to talk.
Let me tell you this way. We bouth believe Adam an Eve are the firts people. And their childeren married. Now we are talking about incest. Can we say "No way! These are lies and throw all that books!" No we can't.
Am I clear. (Did you get why I don't talk about the Bible) Hz.Muhammed never allowed people to do someting wrong to Bibles and Tevrats. Ok.
For us, it was Allah who send all the books. Tevrat, old, new Testement, Quran and which we don't know the names of them.

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #145 on: March 08, 2012, 07:50:14 AM »
Are you having fun with me?

You may think it's funny today, but what does scripture say about the false prophet Muhammad and his Islamic kingdom "beast"?

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

You will erase the things I wrote don't you. You are not even reading what I write.

You are not even answering this...

I was in the process when you repeated it. I don't erase things in the forum. We have had people come in here and keep ignoring my replies and posting new material instead. If they persist I put their posts in storage until they answer to the posts they are ignoring. Please read forum decorum. You are not even reading what I write.

It is you that has been ignoring my posts, and ignoring the verses I have shown you from your own books.

I asked you repeatedly to please show us where the Gospel calls Christians to fight and slay non-Christians.

See, you are not readin what I wrote. I answerd tham all. I said hadises and the people are not the representative of Allah. And why I don't point things in Bible is, even the Bible has been changed there can be some words of Allah in it.

You don't realize this but what you are saying is that you wish that God wasn't a God of love as revealed in the Gospel as I showed you in this prior post:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12575#msg12575

But that you instead wish that Muhammad hadn't lied in the following verse....

Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

..... so that the sinless Messiah, the Prince of Peace, the Lamb of God and His true followers, would be revealed as being as evil as the false prophet Muhammad was through his mass murder, imperialistic conquest, child doing, female prisoner abuse, terrorism and thievery, as continued by his true followers.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=51.0

And that is not nice. At the times of Bible those things can be needed to told by Allah. Even if it look something bad for our times, (now a days) in the years of 0 (Zero) they can be normal to talk.
Let me tell you this way. We bouth believe Adam an Eve are the firts people. And their childeren married. Now we are talking about incest.

And God allowed for it at the beginnings of mankind, thousands of years ago, to get our species going. However:

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1844.0
"This practice, which has been prohibited in the Judeo-Christian tradition since the days of Moses, was sanctioned by Muhammad and has been going on now for 50 generations (1,400 years) in the Muslim world.

This practice of inbreeding will never go away in the Muslim world since Muhammad is the ultimate example and authority on all matters, including marriage."

Sura 33.50 "O prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom God, has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts..."

"The massive inbreeding in Muslim culture may well have done virtually irreversible damage to the Muslim gene pool, including extensive damage to its intelligence, sanity, and health.

According to Sennels, close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred. In Pakistan, the numbers approach 70%. Even in England, more than half of Pakistani immigrants are married to their first cousins, and in Denmark the number of inbred Pakistani immigrants is around 40%.

The numbers are equally devastating in other important Muslim countries: 67% in Saudi Arabia, 64% in Jordan and Kuwait, 63% in Sudan, 60% in Iraq, and 54% in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar.

According to the BBC, this Pakistani, Muslim-inspired inbreeding is thought to explain the probability that a British Pakistani family is more than 13 times as likely to have children with recessive genetic disorders. While Pakistanis are responsible for three percent of the births in the UK, they account for 33% of children with genetic birth defects."

Much more at the link
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1844.0

and here
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1844.msg7612#msg7612
Saudi Arabia Awakes to the Perils of Inbreeding
By SARAH KERSHAW
Published: May 1, 2003
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RIYADH, Saudi Arabia, April 24— When she was 17, marrying age for a Saudi girl, Salha al-Hefthi was presented with a husband.

She was lucky, her parents told her when they planned the wedding, that she was to marry such a good man, a man from her own tribe, a man who would care for their children and make a good living. He was the son of her father's brother -- her first cousin -- and everyone, including the bride, agreed that ''a first cousin was a first choice,'' she said.

The couple had two healthy boys, now 22 and 20, but their third child, a girl, was born with spinal muscular atrophy, a crippling and usually fatal disease that was carried in the genes of both parents. Their fourth, sixth and seventh children were also born with the disorder.

Spinal muscular atrophy and the gene that causes it, along with several other serious genetic disorders, are common in Saudi Arabia, where women have an average of six children and where in some regions more than half of the marriages are between close relatives.

Across the Arab world today an average of 45 percent of married couples are related, according to Dr. Nadia Sakati, a pediatrician and senior consultant for the genetics research center at King Faisal Specialist Hospital in Riyadh.

In some parts of Saudi Arabia, particularly in the south, where Mrs. Hefthi was raised, the rate of marriage among blood relatives ranges from 55 to 70 percent, among the highest rates in the world, according to the Saudi government.

Can we say "No way! These are lies and throw all that books!" No we can't.
Am I clear. (Did you get why I don't talk about the Bible) Hz.Muhammed never allowed people to do someting wrong to Bibles and Tevrats. Ok.
For us, it was Allah who send all the books. Tevrat, old, new Testement, Quran and which we don't know the names of them.

But a reasonable person can see that it is Satan that would want to continue the misery produced, from sanctioning his people to continue to inbreed.

Sura 33.50 "O prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom God, has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts..."

PLEASE LOOK AT THIS VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2w4zAken08

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #146 on: March 08, 2012, 08:14:37 AM »
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Just the same reason that the Enghish people conquered America. Same reason Italian and so on did.
Was that your question?

The difference is that those expansions into the Americas were not considered a religious duty by those that traveled there. My question is if warfare and the spread of Islam isn't considered legitimate by this method why did the Caliphs do so following Muhammad's death? Why did Muhammad use this method if it isn't a legitimate means of spreading the faith?
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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #147 on: March 08, 2012, 08:54:01 AM »
Are you having fun with me?

You may think it's funny today, but what does scripture say about the false prophet Muhammad and his Islamic kingdom "beast"?

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

You will erase the things I wrote don't you. You are not even reading what I write.

You are not even answering this...

I was in the process when you repeated it. I don't erase things in the forum. We have had people come in here and keep ignoring my replies and posting new material instead. If they persist I put their posts in storage until they answer to the posts they are ignoring. Please read forum decorum. You are not even reading what I write.

It is you that has been ignoring my posts, and ignoring the verses I have shown you from your own books.

I asked you repeatedly to please show us where the Gospel calls Christians to fight and slay non-Christians.

See, you are not readin what I wrote. I answerd tham all. I said hadises and the people are not the representative of Allah. And why I don't point things in Bible is, even the Bible has been changed there can be some words of Allah in it. And that is not nice. At the times of Bible those things can be needed to told by Allah. Even if it look something bad for our times, (now a days) in the years of 0 (Zero) they can be normal to talk.
Let me tell you this way. We bouth believe Adam an Eve are the firts people. And their childeren married. Now we are talking about incest.

And God allowed for it at the beginnings of mankind, to get our species going. However:

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1844.0
"This practice, which has been prohibited in the Judeo-Christian tradition since the days of Moses, was sanctioned by Muhammad and has been going on now for 50 generations (1,400 years) in the Muslim world.

This practice of inbreeding will never go away in the Muslim world since Muhammad is the ultimate example and authority on all matters, including marriage."

"O prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom God, has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts..."

"The massive inbreeding in Muslim culture may well have done virtually irreversible damage to the Muslim gene pool, including extensive damage to its intelligence, sanity, and health.

According to Sennels, close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred. In Pakistan, the numbers approach 70%. Even in England, more than half of Pakistani immigrants are married to their first cousins, and in Denmark the number of inbred Pakistani immigrants is around 40%.

The numbers are equally devastating in other important Muslim countries: 67% in Saudi Arabia, 64% in Jordan and Kuwait, 63% in Sudan, 60% in Iraq, and 54% in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar.

According to the BBC, this Pakistani, Muslim-inspired inbreeding is thought to explain the probability that a British Pakistani family is more than 13 times as likely to have children with recessive genetic disorders. While Pakistanis are responsible for three percent of the births in the UK, they account for 33% of children with genetic birth defects."

Much more at the link
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1844.0

and here
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1844.msg7612#msg7612
Saudi Arabia Awakes to the Perils of Inbreeding
By SARAH KERSHAW
Published: May 1, 2003
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RIYADH, Saudi Arabia, April 24— When she was 17, marrying age for a Saudi girl, Salha al-Hefthi was presented with a husband.

She was lucky, her parents told her when they planned the wedding, that she was to marry such a good man, a man from her own tribe, a man who would care for their children and make a good living. He was the son of her father's brother -- her first cousin -- and everyone, including the bride, agreed that ''a first cousin was a first choice,'' she said.

The couple had two healthy boys, now 22 and 20, but their third child, a girl, was born with spinal muscular atrophy, a crippling and usually fatal disease that was carried in the genes of both parents. Their fourth, sixth and seventh children were also born with the disorder.

Spinal muscular atrophy and the gene that causes it, along with several other serious genetic disorders, are common in Saudi Arabia, where women have an average of six children and where in some regions more than half of the marriages are between close relatives.

Across the Arab world today an average of 45 percent of married couples are related, according to Dr. Nadia Sakati, a pediatrician and senior consultant for the genetics research center at King Faisal Specialist Hospital in Riyadh.

In some parts of Saudi Arabia, particularly in the south, where Mrs. Hefthi was raised, the rate of marriage among blood relatives ranges from 55 to 70 percent, among the highest rates in the world, according to the Saudi government.

Can we say "No way! These are lies and throw all that books!" No we can't.
Am I clear. (Did you get why I don't talk about the Bible) Hz.Muhammed never allowed people to do someting wrong to Bibles and Tevrats. Ok.
For us, it was Allah who send all the books. Tevrat, old, new Testement, Quran and which we don't know the names of them.

But as a reasonable person can see, it is Satan that would keep his people inbreeding.

"O prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom God, has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts..."

PLEASE LOOK AT THIS VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2w4zAken08


Brother I am not sure what I understand. Inside of this there is so much foreigen words for me.

Now what I understand is you are talking marriage. And marring with cousins thing. (Fix me if I got it wrong)

In islam you can there are thing you can, things you can't ant things you can but not called beautiful. (An example of what "you can, but not beautiful is divorce. Or smoke. You can smoke but it is not nice. You can divorce but God does not like it)
Here is some history for you:
At those days when you adopt a child you take him in the center of the city and say "This is my son/daugher" And after that he/she is known as a child of you.
What Hz.Muhammed did is he buy Zeyd (A littel slave boy) and take him to the center and said "This is my boy." To show slaying is not good and what is good is making them free. But as he did that, God said (In my words) "No, you can't adopt a child, call them with the names of their father." I do better here is the Surah, The Allies 33/4-5-37

4.    Allah has not made for any man two hearts in his breast: nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zih�r your mothers: nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But Allah tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way.

5.    Call them by their fathers: that is juster in the sight of Allah. But if ye know not their father's names, (then they are) your brothers in faith, or your friends. But there is no blame on you if ye make a mistake therein: (what counts is) the intention of your hearts: and Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.

37.    Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favor: "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah." But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, We joined her in marriage to thee: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved (their marriage) with them. And Allah's command must be fulfilled.

Like ever man, prophets can do mistakes, (but they fix their mistakes and that makes them sinles) Anyway what he did is show all the muslims you can't adopt a child. Marring Zeyd's ex-wife shows that. He did not want to marrie her and that also shows it's is something which you can but not nice.

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« Reply #148 on: March 08, 2012, 08:57:44 AM »
Are you having fun with me?

You may think it's funny today, but what does scripture say about the false prophet Muhammad and his Islamic kingdom "beast"?

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

You will erase the things I wrote don't you. You are not even reading what I write.

You are not even answering this...

I was in the process when you repeated it. I don't erase things in the forum. We have had people come in here and keep ignoring my replies and posting new material instead. If they persist I put their posts in storage until they answer to the posts they are ignoring. Please read forum decorum. You are not even reading what I write.

It is you that has been ignoring my posts, and ignoring the verses I have shown you from your own books.

I asked you repeatedly to please show us where the Gospel calls Christians to fight and slay non-Christians.

See, you are not readin what I wrote. I answerd tham all. I said hadises and the people are not the representative of Allah. And why I don't point things in Bible is, even the Bible has been changed there can be some words of Allah in it.

You don't realize this but what you are saying is that you wish that God wasn't a God of love as revealed in the Gospel as I showed you in this prior post:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12575#msg12575

But that you instead wish that Muhammad hadn't lied in the following verse....

Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

..... so that the sinless Messiah, the Prince of Peace, the Lamb of God and His true followers, would be revealed as being as evil as the false prophet Muhammad was through his mass murder, imperialistic conquest, child doing, female prisoner abuse, terrorism and thievery, as continued by his true followers.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=51.0

And that is not nice. At the times of Bible those things can be needed to told by Allah. Even if it look something bad for our times, (now a days) in the years of 0 (Zero) they can be normal to talk.
Let me tell you this way. We bouth believe Adam an Eve are the firts people. And their childeren married. Now we are talking about incest.

And God allowed for it at the beginnings of mankind, thousands of years ago, to get our species going. However:

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1844.0
"This practice, which has been prohibited in the Judeo-Christian tradition since the days of Moses, was sanctioned by Muhammad and has been going on now for 50 generations (1,400 years) in the Muslim world.

This practice of inbreeding will never go away in the Muslim world since Muhammad is the ultimate example and authority on all matters, including marriage."

Sura 33.50 "O prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom God, has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts..."

"The massive inbreeding in Muslim culture may well have done virtually irreversible damage to the Muslim gene pool, including extensive damage to its intelligence, sanity, and health.

According to Sennels, close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred. In Pakistan, the numbers approach 70%. Even in England, more than half of Pakistani immigrants are married to their first cousins, and in Denmark the number of inbred Pakistani immigrants is around 40%.

The numbers are equally devastating in other important Muslim countries: 67% in Saudi Arabia, 64% in Jordan and Kuwait, 63% in Sudan, 60% in Iraq, and 54% in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar.

According to the BBC, this Pakistani, Muslim-inspired inbreeding is thought to explain the probability that a British Pakistani family is more than 13 times as likely to have children with recessive genetic disorders. While Pakistanis are responsible for three percent of the births in the UK, they account for 33% of children with genetic birth defects."

Much more at the link
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1844.0

and here
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1844.msg7612#msg7612
Saudi Arabia Awakes to the Perils of Inbreeding
By SARAH KERSHAW
Published: May 1, 2003
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RIYADH, Saudi Arabia, April 24— When she was 17, marrying age for a Saudi girl, Salha al-Hefthi was presented with a husband.

She was lucky, her parents told her when they planned the wedding, that she was to marry such a good man, a man from her own tribe, a man who would care for their children and make a good living. He was the son of her father's brother -- her first cousin -- and everyone, including the bride, agreed that ''a first cousin was a first choice,'' she said.

The couple had two healthy boys, now 22 and 20, but their third child, a girl, was born with spinal muscular atrophy, a crippling and usually fatal disease that was carried in the genes of both parents. Their fourth, sixth and seventh children were also born with the disorder.

Spinal muscular atrophy and the gene that causes it, along with several other serious genetic disorders, are common in Saudi Arabia, where women have an average of six children and where in some regions more than half of the marriages are between close relatives.

Across the Arab world today an average of 45 percent of married couples are related, according to Dr. Nadia Sakati, a pediatrician and senior consultant for the genetics research center at King Faisal Specialist Hospital in Riyadh.

In some parts of Saudi Arabia, particularly in the south, where Mrs. Hefthi was raised, the rate of marriage among blood relatives ranges from 55 to 70 percent, among the highest rates in the world, according to the Saudi government.

Can we say "No way! These are lies and throw all that books!" No we can't.
Am I clear. (Did you get why I don't talk about the Bible) Hz.Muhammed never allowed people to do someting wrong to Bibles and Tevrats. Ok.
For us, it was Allah who send all the books. Tevrat, old, new Testement, Quran and which we don't know the names of them.

But a reasonable person can see that it is Satan that would want to continue the misery produced, from sanctioning his people to continue to inbreed.

Sura 33.50 "O prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom God, has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts..."

PLEASE LOOK AT THIS VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2w4zAken08

Brother you write so long I can't read tham all. If you have any question just ask it.

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #149 on: March 08, 2012, 09:00:39 AM »
Brother you write so long I can't read tham all. If you have any question just ask it.

Start with the video link at the end. This one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2w4zAken08
The bible has prohibited inbreeding ever since Moses.
Muhammad sanctioned inbreeding. That's why 45% of Muslims in the world today are products of inbreeding.

"In some parts of Saudi Arabia, particularly in the south, where Mrs. Hefthi was raised, the rate of marriage among blood relatives ranges from 55 to 70 percent, among the highest rates in the world, according to the Saudi government."

"The numbers are equally devastating in other important Muslim countries: 67% in Saudi Arabia, 64% in Jordan and Kuwait, 63% in Sudan, 60% in Iraq, and 54% in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar."