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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #200 on: March 14, 2012, 06:16:30 AM »
Is the black stone idol? ;D

Yeah. You caught us.  ;D

OK. Then back to the subject post we are working on,

I will answer it here, as you wish…

If Hz.Muhammed was a false prophet, wouldn’t he prefer to say, “I am prophet of this idol or this cult figure.”

1. Yet Muhammad IS the prophet of the Quraish pagan's black stone idol, and the jinn-devil idol worship hills of Safa and Marwah.
Why would he have needed to say he was?

Since we both agree that Muhammad became the sole prophet of the Quraish's black stone idol and kaaba, why would you think he would have needed to say that he was, to have accomplished being in that role?

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #201 on: March 14, 2012, 06:46:57 AM »
After you answer the prior posts...

I will answer it here, as you wish…

If Hz.Muhammed was a false prophet, wouldn’t he prefer to say, “I am prophet of this idol or this cult figure.”

Muhammad IS the cult figure of his STAND-ALONE 7th century cult.

Why would Muhammad have to say he is the cult figure of Muhammadanism, when that is the role he assumed, as far as his followers are concerned?

According to Muhammad you are a follower of Muhammad. Do you agree with that?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2656.0

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #202 on: March 14, 2012, 09:07:15 AM »
Is the black stone idol? ;D

Yeah. You caught us.  ;D

We worship that stone as much as you worship cross and Hz.Jesus statues.

You cannot deny that you ARE REQUIRED to prostrate

I am free about 33 min. Lets answer this one:


We don’t prostrate the black stone. (I don’t want to hurt you, but really you know nothing about Islam. That’s one of the reasons I can’t take you serious. I am trying but I can’t. You are not even reading what I wrote) There is not such things we prostrating black Stones, Kabe or something like that. You can’t image how funny it is. It is only a direction. As I said before you do the same thing. Churchs has the same thing. Come to Turkey with a compass and examine yourself, the old churchs has the same direction. But you quit doing that. Like many things has changed in the Bible you changed that, too. Here is the proof, exemin the very old churchs. Ok?
Let me clear this up for you…… If something happens to Kabe, lets say they carry all the stones, black, white, I mean ALL the stones. The direction never changes.
Let me clear this up in an other way…..
If you take Kabe, I mean carry the building to San Francisco, our new direction will NOT be San Francisco. Just like Jews will not chase you if you carry the wailing wall.

toward the Quraish's black stone idol and their Kaaba, 5 times a day, and you are also required to travel to it and march around it just as the Arabians did before Muhammad - as articles of your faith in Muhammad and his alter-ego "Allah".


As we see here, your researchs are not deep and objective enough to reliable. The Arabians who march around Kabe are not pagans. The were in way of Haniff. There can be pagans copying the tavaf, but they are away different from the Haniffs. Brother if you want to find the truth be objective.

You do it even as Mecca is 1,200 kilometers away from THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs, and over 1,000 kilometers away from where ANY of them are recorded as having traveled. This means it is a geographical impossibility that Islam or the Quraish's Kaaba ever had anything whatsoever to do with the God of the scriptures. It's origins are just as Arabian history, and even Islam's books tacitly attest.


Do you know what makes a land Holy? Prophets? No. Angels, miracles? No.
A land can only be Holy if God says so. And the Holy land which you know is not the only Holy land in the word. Do you think you know all the prophets? Tell me all the prophets are from the Holy land than I give the answer. And there wil be no historical prove of it.




Regarding idolatry in the church we have a whole forum category devoted to Roman Church false doctrine, including a thread on idolatry.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=75.0
Just one of a dozen parallels between the Roman Church and Islam
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=512.0

Don’t be funny. Any Muslim, I say ANY MUSLIM who askes something other than ALLAH is NOT A MUSLIM. (Don’t tell me you don’t worship crosses. I KNOW THAT)

I said you VENERATE that black stone idol. The Arabian pagans VENERATED the very same black stone as well - along with 359 others.

If you want to know how your knowledge looks to Muslims watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=doL8AtLN9Aw

You don't even read my posts that you solicit, yet you expect me to spend my time watching a 55 minute video by some poor deluded young antichrist, who would be unable to show us any more history of Mecca or pre-Muhammad Islam than you have. I know this because I have been asking for such evidence of Muhammadans for 2 years now.

Looks like you have time for these. And when I said “If you want to know” I really mean if you want to know.

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #203 on: March 14, 2012, 10:13:55 AM »
Is the black stone idol? ;D

Yeah. You caught us.  ;D

We worship that stone as much as you worship cross and Hz.Jesus statues.

You cannot deny that you ARE REQUIRED to prostrate

I am free about 33 min. Lets answer this one:


We don’t prostrate the black stone. (I don’t want to hurt you, but really you know nothing about Islam. That’s one of the reasons I can’t take you serious. I am trying but I can’t. You are not even reading what I wrote) There is not such things we prostrating black Stones, Kabe or something like that. You can’t image how funny it is. It is only a direction.

I see. So which direction do Muhammad's followers pray in? North, South, East or West?

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #204 on: March 14, 2012, 11:46:26 AM »
Is the black stone idol? ;D

Yeah. You caught us.  ;D

We worship that stone as much as you worship cross and Hz.Jesus statues.

You cannot deny that you ARE REQUIRED to prostrate

I am free about 33 min. Lets answer this one:


We don’t prostrate the black stone. (I don’t want to hurt you, but really you know nothing about Islam. That’s one of the reasons I can’t take you serious. I am trying but I can’t. You are not even reading what I wrote) There is not such things we prostrating black Stones, Kabe or something like that. You can’t image how funny it is. It is only a direction.

I see. So which direction do Muhammad's followers pray in? North, South, East or West?


 ;D Thank you so, so, so, so, much. This is the typ of question I have been asking  ;D

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #205 on: March 14, 2012, 12:58:54 PM »
First of all, the word praying is not exactly right. The word selaad means: “remembering the God” In English we use it, but it is completely wrong. We do pray but selaag is not prayin. (I am so excited about your one sentence question. So I can make some expression mistakes)

The direction we selaad is the firs selaad house point where the Adam has made. I think you know the love story between Adam and Eve. After they meet gain in this word, (That point is also about 25 km far away from the Mescidi Haram.) Adam wanted to show his thankfulness to God and build a selaad house. (By the way, as proof of we don’t prostrate that house, Kabe’s shape is not in the original shape right now) This is the direction of the first prophet Adam’s selaade house and it also shows we believe every prophet till the begining of time.
At first our direction was Mescid-i Aksa. But in the middel of selaad Hz.Muhammed was ordered to change the direction to clear the ones who are not Muslim at that time. Let me clear this up for you.
At the old days Kabe was full of idols. And pagans had some rituels and they were doing them at the direction of Kabe plus the direction of Jerusalem. Some of the pagans have two religions. (In case the Jews and Christians right, they were worshiping God, too.) (You can find this kind of people in some parts of Asia (Pagan+an other religion)
And at that time there was pagan+Muslim people among Muslims. So God said (Not word for word. I am trying to write fast, I don’t have much time) “Where ever I say is Holy Land, it is Holy Land! if it is me who you are only worshiping, than obey what I say.” Than they changed the direction to Kabe. (By the way, the idols in Kabe were thrown out at that days)

And if you don't know the direction to Kabe it is not important. Quran says,

"Turn were ever you want, God is there..."


Plus there is an other thing but my time is up. Here Surah The Cow 2/143-144-145

143.   And thus We have made you a medium (just) nation that you may be the bearers of witness to the people and (that) the Apostle may be a bearer of witness to you; and We did not make that which you would have to be the qiblah but that We might distinguish him who follows the Apostle from him who turns back upon his heels, and this was surely hard except for those whom Allah has guided aright; and Allah was not going to make your faith to be fruitless; most surely Allah is Affectionate, Merciful to the people.


144.   Indeed We see the turning of your face to heaven, so We shall surely turn you to a qiblah which you shall like; turn then your face towards the Sacred Mosque, and wherever you are, turn your face towards it, and those who have been given the Book most surely know that it is the truth from their Lord; and Allah is not at all heedless of what they do.



145.   And even if you bring to those who have been given the Book every sign they would not follow your qiblah, nor can you be a follower of their qiblah, neither are they the followers of each other's qiblah, and if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, then you shall most surely be among the unjust.



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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #206 on: March 14, 2012, 03:09:03 PM »
First of all, the word praying is not exactly right. The word selaad means: “remembering the God” In English we use it, but it is completely wrong. We do pray but selaag is not prayin. (I am so excited about your one sentence question. So I can make some expression mistakes)

Here is how the God of the Bible weighs in on Salat - repetitive prayer.

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

The direction we selaad is the firs selaad house point where the Adam has made. I think you know the love story between Adam and Eve. After they meet gain in this word, (That point is also about 25 km far away from the Mescidi Haram.) Adam wanted to show his thankfulness to God and build a selaad house. (By the way, as proof of we don’t prostrate that house, Kabe’s shape is not in the original shape right now) This is the direction of the first prophet Adam’s selaade house and it also shows we believe every prophet till the begining of time.
At first our direction was Mescid-i Aksa. But in the middel of selaad Hz.Muhammed was ordered to change the direction to clear the ones who are not Muslim at that time. Let me clear this up for you.

But since Mecca never existed before the 4th century AD, then every bit of this nonsense you have been taught to parrot, is PURE FICTION, that was CREATED in the 7th to 10th centuries AD WITHOUT REFERENCE to any ACTUAL HISTORICAL RECORD from before the 6th century AD.

How did a bunch of semi-literate 7th century SW Arabian desert dwellers know what went on so many thousands of years before they wrote Islamic fiction,that can only be called "tradition", because it has nothing whatsoever to do with history?
Did they study history at the Quraish pagan's Library of Mecca?


But it's far, far, worse than just fiction.

History, archaeology and geography evermore confirm the scriptures as a reliable record of ancient history.

History, archaeology and geography ALL, TOGETHER, demonstrate that Mecca - 1200 kilometers away from THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs - never had anything whatsoever to do with the God of the Bible. None of the patriarchs were ever within 1,000 kilometers of where Mecca was eventually built in the 4th century AD.

Sadly, Islamic "tradition" isn't just a bunch of hogwash - but rather it is blasphemy against the one true God of the bible - and particularly against the Messiah and the Gospel. What you have been brainwashed into believing are lies from straight out of the pit of hell. Islam is ANTICHRIST blasphemy.
ISLAMIC FICTION is EXPOSED and DESTROYED by scripture, history, archaeology and geography.
That's why you have been so careful to maintain a level of knowledge in those regards, that is the equivalent of a 7th century SW Arabian desert dweller.

At the old days Kabe was full of idols. And pagans had some rituels and they were doing them at the direction of Kabe plus the direction of Jerusalem. Some of the pagans have two religions. (In case the Jews and Christians right, they were worshiping God, too.) (You can find this kind of people in some parts of Asia (Pagan+an other religion)
And at that time there was pagan+Muslim people among Muslims. So God said (Not word for word. I am trying to write fast, I don’t have much time) “Where ever I say is Holy Land, it is Holy Land! if it is me who you are only worshiping, than obey what I say.” Than they changed the direction to Kabe. (By the way, the idols in Kabe were thrown out at that days)

And if you don't know the direction to Kabe it is not important. Quran says,

"Turn were ever you want, God is there..."


Plus there is an other thing but my time is up. Here Surah The Cow 2/143-144-145

143.   And thus We have made you a medium (just) nation that you may be the bearers of witness to the people and (that) the Apostle may be a bearer of witness to you; and We did not make that which you would have to be the qiblah but that We might distinguish him who follows the Apostle from him who turns back upon his heels, and this was surely hard except for those whom Allah has guided aright; and Allah was not going to make your faith to be fruitless; most surely Allah is Affectionate, Merciful to the people.


144.   Indeed We see the turning of your face to heaven, so We shall surely turn you to a qiblah which you shall like; turn then your face towards the Sacred Mosque, and wherever you are, turn your face towards it, and those who have been given the Book most surely know that it is the truth from their Lord; and Allah is not at all heedless of what they do.

Do you see how you only lie to yourself? Earlier you wrote:

There is not such things we prostrating black Stones, Kabe or something like that. You can’t image how funny it is. It is only a direction.

So it isn't "only a direction". It is the direction of the Quraish pagan's kaaba in Mecca - JUST LIKE I SAID, and just like you confirmed in the above
You squandered all your effort vomiting out the Islamic fiction above explaining why it is THAT YOU DO prostrate yourselves to the Kaaba, even after you pretended the whole notion was "funny".

If you told any one of the guys in this photo (that are jamming each other just to try to touch or kiss that stone idol), that prostrating themselves to the Kaaba is "funny", I'll bet any one of them would be happy to cut your head off.


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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #207 on: March 14, 2012, 04:22:18 PM »
Lets say you are right about city of Mekke. (I have no interest of history) So lets say you are right.
Quran also confirm that if you take serious check. (If you say Mekke and Kabe are different things)
Surah Abraham14\37

37.   O our Lord! surely I have settled a part of my offspring in a valley unproductive of fruit near Thy Sacred House, our Lord! that they may keep up prayer; therefore make the hearts of some people yearn towards them and provide them with fruits; haply they may be grateful:

And remember Hz.Hacer shout and cry for water, but there was nobody aroud to help. And there is not an Ayeth for the Hz.Abraham that he made a jurney. If you say Mekke is not Kabe I mean Mescidi Haram Quran confirms that. If you say Mekke is Kabe. Quran does not confirm that.

Do you see how you only lie to yourself? Earlier you wrote:

There is not such things we prostrating black Stones, Kabe or something like that. You can’t image how funny it is. It is only a direction.

But it isn't "only a direction". It is the direction of the Quraish pagan's kaaba in Mecca - JUST LIKE I SAID.
You squandered all your effort vomiting out the Islamic lies above explaining why it is THAT YOU DO prostrate to the Kaaba, even after you declared the whole notion "funny".

I couldn't understand what you are saying here. Make it clear for me.

I'll bet if you told any one of the guys in this photo (that are jamming each other just to try to touch or kiss that stone idol), that prostrating to the Kaaba is "funny", any one of them would be happy to cut your head off.

I touch the stone brother.  :) Any of them says, prostrating to the Kabe is funny, I woun't cut his head. And any of them says we are prostrating to the black stone or Kabe, I and all of the Muslims I know will say to him, "You are not a Muslim yet." If you make a deep search the word Muslim and the word Islam you will confirm that, too.

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #208 on: March 14, 2012, 04:52:26 PM »
There is not such things we prostrating black Stones, Kabe or something like that. You can’t image how funny it is. It is only a direction. As I said before you do the same thing. Churchs has the same thing. Come to Turkey with a compass and examine yourself, the old churchs has the same direction.

There was only one temple that was authorized by God, and that is the temple that His people built in Jerusalem on the temple mount. The archaeological record of the first century indicates that Christians met in their homes.

When Jesus brought in the new covenant He prophesied of the temple in Jerusalem:

Mark 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Here's why God arranged to have the temple removed.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.  20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Christ rose from the dead in 3 days.
In the Christian era, God's people ARE His temple.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1Corinthians 6:19  What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Another way we can know that the Quraish pagan's kaaba remains nothing more than that - the Quraish pagan's kaaba.

Those giant churches and cathedrals you mention, squandered money and resources that could have otherwise been used to help poor people. Perhaps poor people were even abused in their construction.
About 18 billion dollars a year in the U.S. alone, is wasted on building and maintaining "church" buildings, that could be helping the poor all around the world.

Anywhere even just 2 or 3 Christians are gathered in Jesus name, He is right there with us.

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

But you quit doing that. Like many things has changed in the Bible you changed that, too.

But that is a satanic lie from straight out of the pit of hell, and at the same time you make that claim you are declaring Muhammad to have been foolish to have recommended

Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein.

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #209 on: March 14, 2012, 05:05:18 PM »
Lets say you are right about city of Mekke. (I have no interest of history) ......

There is no question because the EVIDENCE of scripture, history, archaeology and geography TESTIFY AGAINST Mecca having anything whatsoever to do with the God of the Bible.

You need to acquire at least a little interest in history, because you are betting your eternal life on a single 7th century false prophet who proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel - the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah, who saves all who have faith in His shed blood from dying to our sins.
Being the exact opposite can only mean that it is the jealous fallen angel named Satan that has you in his grip.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

..... So lets say you are right.
Quran also confirm that if you take serious check. (If you say Mekke and Kabe are different things)
Surah Abraham14\37

37.   O our Lord! surely I have settled a part of my offspring in a valley unproductive of fruit near Thy Sacred House, our Lord! that they may keep up prayer; therefore make the hearts of some people yearn towards them and provide them with fruits; haply they may be grateful:

And remember Hz.Hacer shout and cry for water, but there was nobody aroud to help. And there is not an Ayeth for the Hz.Abraham that he made a jurney. If you say Mekke is not Kabe I mean Mescidi Haram Quran confirms that. If you say Mekke is Kabe. Quran does not confirm that.

The hogwash about Abraham or Hagar ever being within 1,000 kilometers of where Mecca was eventually built, is 7th century fiction that is EXACTLY CONTRARY to the scriptural, historical and archaeological records, as well as being a 1200 kilometer geographical impossibility.

Islam provably false on every level, since the scriptural and archaeological records SUPPORT the TRUTH of scripture as well as the geographical reasonableness.
http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/amen/a/122710-CW-Archaeological-Evidence-About-The-Story-Of-Abraham-In-The-Bible.htm

You believe Muhammad INSTEAD OF ALL of the prophets, patriarchs and WITNESSES of scripture, and INSTEAD OF the historical record, and INSTEAD OF the archaeological record, and you even believe Muhammad INSTEAD OF the PHYSICAL GEOGRAPHY which are matters of PHYSICAL FACT.

You need to revisit and respond to this early post, this time other than saying, "I don't know where Hebron is", because it includes a link to show you WHERE MUSLIMS VISIT ABRAHAM'S GRAVE IN HEBRON. This link http://www.bibleplaces.com/hebron.htm

Read it this time. I turned them into questions for you.

The historical record contained in scripture, that is confirmed by the archaeological evidence, tells us that Abraham's travels were in the opposite direction of, and never within 1200 kilometers of, where Mecca was eventually settled in the 4th century AD.
After you present historical and archaeological evidence that suggests that Mecca existed before the 4th century AD, could you:

1. WHY did Abraham abandon his wife Sarah and Isaac in their home in Hebron, to wander across 1200 kilometers of harsh, barren, desert with Sarah's slave Hagar and Hagar's son Ishmael?

2. HOW did Abraham travel across 1200 kilometers of harsh, barren, unexplored Arabian desert, to where Mecca was eventually built in the 4th century, a thousand years before the historical record tells us the first caravan was able to make the trip along the Red Sea?

3. How did Ishmael wander across the same 1200 kilometers of harsh, barren, untraveled, unexplored desert, in time to help Isaac bury Abraham near his home in Hebron.




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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #210 on: March 15, 2012, 01:13:03 AM »
Let me clear this up for you…… If something happens to Kabe, lets say they carry all the stones, black, white, I mean ALL the stones. The direction never changes.
Let me clear this up in an other way…..
If you take Kabe, I mean carry the building to San Francisco, our new direction will NOT be San Francisco.

Yes I understand that. You would still be pointing to the geographical center of pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship.

Just like Jews will not chase you if you carry the wailing wall.

toward the Quraish's black stone idol and their Kaaba, 5 times a day, and you are also required to travel to it and march around it just as the Arabians did before Muhammad - as articles of your faith in Muhammad and his alter-ego "Allah".

As we see here, your researchs are not deep and objective enough to reliable. The Arabians who march around Kabe are not pagans. The were in way of Haniff. There can be pagans copying the tavaf, but they are away different from the Haniffs. Brother if you want to find the truth be objective.

Even Islamic scholars are objective enough to recognize that there is not a single reference to Haniff in any historical or archaeological records prior to the 7th to 10th century FICTION that was CREATED by Muhammad's followers. We have a new thread on that subject at this link.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3099.msg12550#msg12550

Why don't you try being objective for a change and consider the EVIDENCE?

You do it even as Mecca is 1,200 kilometers away from THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs, and over 1,000 kilometers away from where ANY of them are recorded as having traveled. This means it is a geographical impossibility that Islam or the Quraish's Kaaba ever had anything whatsoever to do with the God of the scriptures. It's origins are just as Arabian history, and even Islam's books tacitly attest.

Do you know what makes a land Holy? Prophets? No. Angels, miracles? No.
A land can only be Holy if God says so. And the Holy land which you know is not the only Holy land in the word.

I'm sure there must be a different land that Hindus believe to be holy, and another that Buddhists consider holy.
But THE Holy Land of Israel is the ONLY Holy Land recognized by the ONE true GOD OF THE SCRIPTURES - YHWH. It is where Yahweh had His people built His temple.
http://www.historyofmecca.com/#temple

Do you think you know all the prophets? Tell me all the prophets are from the Holy land than I give the answer. And there wil be no historical prove of it.

The historical record of the prophets is contained in scripture. That record was closed in the 1st century.

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Thus we can see what happened to the false prophet Muhammad, that added onto those things, but the same doesn't have to happen to you, my friend.

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #211 on: March 15, 2012, 01:14:19 AM »
Please do not skip replies. Begin with this one
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12765#msg12765
Then another short one
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12766#msg12766

And you've avoided the questions in this one so please be sure to quote this post and address them this time.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12779#msg12779

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #212 on: March 15, 2012, 01:47:37 AM »
Let me repeat this so there can be no misunderstanding.

You believe in Muhammad INSTEAD OF SCRIPTURE
You believe in Muhammad INSTEAD OF ALL of the PROPHETS, PATRIARCHS and WITNESSES as revealed in scripture
You believe in Muhammad INSTEAD OF THE GOSPEL
You believe in Muhammad INSTEAD OF JESUS
You believe in Muhammad INSTEAD OF the HISTORICAL RECORD
You believe in Muhammad INSTEAD OF the ARCHAEOLOGICAL RECORD
You believe in Muhammad Muhammad INSTEAD OF the PHYSICAL GEOGRAPHICAL matters of PHYSICAL FACT.

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« Reply #213 on: March 15, 2012, 01:47:53 AM »

So it isn't "only a direction". It is the direction of the Quraish pagan's kaaba in Mecca - JUST LIKE I SAID, and just like you confirmed in the above
You squandered all your effort vomiting out the Islamic fiction above explaining why it is THAT YOU DO prostrate yourselves to the Kaaba, even after you pretended the whole notion was "funny".

It is not pagan's Kabe. Why don't you read? It is the point where Hz.Adam build first selaad house.
Hope you can see this one.

To your, historical and archaeological proofs and ect...

Lets say you are right about city of Mekke. (I have no interest of history) So lets say you are right.
Quran also confirm that if you take serious check. (If you say Mekke and Kabe are different things)
Surah Abraham14\37

37.   O our Lord! surely I have settled a part of my offspring in a valley unproductive of fruit near Thy Sacred House, our Lord! that they may keep up prayer; therefore make the hearts of some people yearn towards them and provide them with fruits; haply they may be grateful:

And remember Hz.Hacer shout and cry for water, but there was nobody aroud to help. And there is not an Ayeth for the Hz.Abraham that he made a jurney. If you say Mekke is not Kabe I mean Mescidi Haram Quran confirms that. If you say Mekke is Kabe. Quran does not confirm that.



Here is question for you. Answer it if you can: Do you worship sun?

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #214 on: March 15, 2012, 01:51:34 AM »

So it isn't "only a direction". It is the direction of the Quraish pagan's kaaba in Mecca - JUST LIKE I SAID, and just like you confirmed in the above
You squandered all your effort vomiting out the Islamic fiction above explaining why it is THAT YOU DO prostrate yourselves to the Kaaba, even after you pretended the whole notion was "funny".

It is not pagan's Kabe. Why don't you read? It is the point where Hz.Adam build first selaad house.
Hope you can see this one.

I can, and I can tell you that the ONLY REASON YOU BELIEVE THAT is because a bunch of semi-literate SW Arabian desert dwellers CREATED THAT PURE FICTION it in the 7th to 10th century AD.

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« Reply #215 on: March 15, 2012, 01:52:39 AM »
Here I ask again.

Here is question for you. Answer it if you can: Do you worship sun?


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« Reply #216 on: March 15, 2012, 01:55:13 AM »
I know you are there.
It is a very simple question.

Do you worship sun?

Yes or no

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« Reply #217 on: March 15, 2012, 02:01:21 AM »
Here is question for you. Answer it if you can: Do you worship sun?

You know the answer is no. However Constantine had been a pagan that had worshiped the sun (just as Muhammad had been a pagan that worshiped the moon, sun, stars and jinn-devil priest and priestess, along with his tribe the Quraish, before he invented Islam).
Because of Constantine we find a lot of solar blazes, and other such manifestations of paganism in Roman church idolatry, just as we find the same symbolism in Islam's solar blazes in old mosques and such.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AaxuzCZwKM

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« Reply #218 on: March 15, 2012, 02:02:30 AM »
I know you are there.

Probably not for long. I slept from 9 to 11pm, and then woke up and wasn't very tired so I came into my office, but I am about ready to go back to bed. Please watch that video in my prior post. You can start at about the 1:20 mark where he gets into the sun worship symbols in Roman church and Islam.

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« Reply #219 on: March 15, 2012, 02:09:04 AM »
You can't find any mosque directing to east if the mosque is not in the west of Kabe.

Pagans worships sun and your very old churchs are directed to east. Not only in Anadolu.

So can I say you were worshiping sun than?

You say there is only one Holy land. So what's wrong with your churches. The new and the old ones?

I think this pagan etc. kabe think is closed.
Thank you
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« Reply #220 on: March 15, 2012, 02:13:36 AM »
I know you are worshiping God. I just wanted to show that examin such things does not take you to the right. :)

Peace

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« Reply #221 on: March 15, 2012, 02:17:04 AM »
You can't find any mosque directing to east if it is not in the west of Kabe.

Pagans worships sun and your very old churchs are directed to east. Not only in Anadolu.

So can I say you were worshiping sun than?

Because Constantine had been a sun worshiping pagan and that's why there is pagan influence in the idolatry of the Roman Catholic Church.

Yet Islam is pure paganism straight from the Quraish pagans, that Muhammad did little more than put a thin veneer on, located in the epicenter of Arabian paganism - Mecca.

I already explained to you where the church is, but the spirit of antichrist in your heart didn't allow you to see it. Please read it again at this link
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12778#msg12778

You say there is only one Holy land. So what's wrong with your churches. The new and the old ones?

They were built without any basis in scripture whatsoever. I already told you that the ONLY temple God authorized is the one His people built in Jerusalem. Jesus replaced that temple worship when He brought in the new covenant.

I think this pagan etc. kabe think is closed.
Thank you

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« Reply #222 on: March 15, 2012, 02:17:42 AM »
I know you are there.

Probably not for long. I slept from 9 to 11pm, and then woke up and wasn't very tired so I came into my office, but I am about ready to go back to bed. Please watch that video in my prior post. You can start at about the 1:20 mark where he gets into the sun worship symbols in Roman church and Islam.

Sorry for pushing than.

What made you sleep that much? ;D

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« Reply #223 on: March 15, 2012, 02:22:50 AM »
I know you are worshiping God. I just wanted to show that examin such things does not take you to the right. :)

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We must examine all things to learn where the truth is. Unlike Muhammad's fear of truth, even murdering poets who spoke the truth about him, the ONE true God of the scriptures is very much different.

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

The Gospel is right. But as you know Muhammad's followers have to REJECT THE GOSPEL TO FOLLOW MUHAMMAD ALONE - INSTEAD.
You believe in Muhammad INSTEAD OF SCRIPTURE
You believe in Muhammad INSTEAD OF ALL of the PROPHETS, PATRIARCHS and WITNESSES as revealed in scripture
You believe in Muhammad INSTEAD OF THE GOSPEL
You believe in Muhammad INSTEAD OF JESUS
You believe in Muhammad INSTEAD OF the HISTORICAL RECORD
You believe in Muhammad INSTEAD OF the ARCHAEOLOGICAL RECORD
You believe in Muhammad Muhammad INSTEAD OF the PHYSICAL GEOGRAPHICAL matters of PHYSICAL FACT.

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« Reply #224 on: March 15, 2012, 02:23:17 AM »
Brother I can show you churchs other than in Constantine.

You have the same situation there so don't charge us. The point our (you, us, Jews) pray houses dose not shows what we worship. What we worship is what we say.