Chat with Michael2 (youtube user ID hillbillybushcraft)

[Michael2]

“The history of Genesis 3 is intended to teach us the fact that Satan's sphere of activities is in the religious sphere, and not the spheres of crime or immorality; that his battlefield is not the sins arising from human depravity, but the unbelief of the human heart. We are not to look for Satan's activities to-day in the newspaper press, or the police courts ; but in the pulpit, and in professors' chairs. Wherever the Word of God is called in question, there we see the trail of "that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan". This is why anything against the true interests of the Word of God (as being such) finds a ready admission into the news-papers of the world, and is treated as "general literature". This is why anything in favour of its inspiration and Divine origin and its spiritual truth is rigidly excluded as being "controversial".
    This is why Satan is quite content that the letter of Scripture should be accepted in Genesis 3, as he himself accepted the letter of Psalm 91:11. He himself could say "It is written" (Matthew 4:6) so long as the letter of what is "written" could be put instead of the truth that is conveyed by it; and so long as it is misquoted or misapplied.
    This is his object in perpetuating the traditions of the "snake" and the "apple", because it ministers to the acceptance of his lie, the hiding of God's truth, the support of tradition, the jeers of the infidel, the opposition of the critics, and the stumbling of the weak in faith. “
Dr. E.W. Bullinger


Yeah I am well aware of what the word of God says. But the truth that is conveyed by it seems to go over many peoples head.
You wanted a site to see how I believe. Here is a site that is pretty close. I may not agree with everything these folks say but their pretty sharp. If you don't read ALL of the word of God you will not understand some of these things. For example. Did you notice that Cain is NOT in Adams Genealogy? This is not by accident. NO WHERE in the word of God does it say that Adam begat Cain. And that is the term that is used for fathering. Also I explained the parable of the Sower to you. What is not to get? Matt 23 and all the others how do you explain all of this away? Genesis 4:1. Well I am sorry that ONE verse just will not cut it. Cain and Able were not paternal twins and Eve was already pregnant when Adam Knew here.
2 Corinthians 11 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
What Paul is saying is I want to present you a chaste virgin not like Eve who was seduced. Here is the word Beguiled in the Greek.
beguiled--Strong's # 1818 exapatao (ex-ap-at-ah'-o); from 1537 and 538; to seduce wholly: KJV-- beguile, deceive.
Do you see? Again go and Look at Gen 3:15 She is pregnant in that verse BEFORE Adam knew her. You can deny all you want but that is the truth. You certainly will never explain it away. Not in the word of God. And the reason it is hard for some to accept is it does not fit  their comfy life style of the word. Everything is sunshine and roses to them, kinda like those that believe we will all be raptured out before the tribulation LOL.  Anyhow here is the site since I can't always be in front of my computer to answer Questions.
theseason.org
If you  like you can go over there and see some real Bible Studies. There good people too.

[Michael2]

I have MANY MANY passages to prove what I KNOW to be fact, however this is something even after YEARS of study I still didn't understand until God showed me.

What I meant by this is, WHO these sons of Cain are today! I have known about the Sons of Cain for years, but just came into full understanding about a year and a half ago about who they are today! Go check out 1 Chron 2:55. Also they were with Israel when Baalam was hired to curse the children. We know this prophet-for-hire was not allowed to curse Israel, but look at his description of the future of the Kenites ( in the Hebrew this is Ben Kajin which literally translated means sons of Cain!) that accompanied them!
Numbers 24:21 21 And he looked on the Kenites, and took up his parable, and said, Strong is thy dwellingplace, and thou puttest thy nest in a ROCK. 22 Nevertheless the Kenite shall be wasted, until Asshur shall carry thee away captive. 23 And he took up his parable, and said, Alas, who shall live when God doeth this!

If you don't understand this then that is your problem.

[Peter]

It is not who I believe Cains father is! It is who the Bible says Cains father is! This is hard to accept but it is truth.

Why would the truth of scripture be hard for a Christian to accept?
Here is what my bible says.

KJV Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Cain's father was Adam.

And Adam
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
0120 'adam {aw-dawm'}
from 0119; TWOT - 25a; n m
AV - man 408, men 121, Adam 13, person(s) 8, common sort + 07230 1,
hypocrite 1; 552
1) man, mankind
1a) man, human being
1b) man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT)
1c) Adam, first man
1d) city in Jordan valley

knew
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
03045 yada` {yaw-dah'}
1a3) to know (a person carnally)

the LORD
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
03068 Y@hovah {yeh-ho-vaw'}
from 01961; TWOT - 484a; n pr dei
AV - LORD 6510, GOD 4, JEHOVAH 4, variant 1; 6519
Jehovah = "the existing One"
1) the proper name of the one true God
1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of 0136
{Cain that is Gotten or Acquired}

Torah from Chabad.org
Gen 4:1. Now the man knew his wife Eve, and she conceived...

Hebrew interlinear
Gen 4:1 וְהָאָדָ u·e·adm and·the·human
יָדַע ido he-knew
×” Ö¸ chue Eve
אִ ְ ashth·u woman-of·him
הַר ַ u·ther and·she-is-becoming-pregnant

I don't say it because I would rather you read it from your Bible yourself. I think ultimately we both agree that it does not matter what WE think but rather what the word of God says.

Then why are you so afraid to come out and simply just tell us who you believe the word of God tells you Cain's father is? Why obfuscate?

[Peter]

I have MANY MANY passages to prove what I KNOW to be fact, however this is something even after YEARS of study I still didn't understand until God showed me.

Did He? Let's see. Have you ever heard of a man named Arnold Murray?

[Michael2]

Michael2

1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Maybe you could show us which one of the only 4 verses that use the term antichrist or antichrists tell us about your boogeyman antichrist that is still in our future?

Why do you disagree with what/where Paul told us the temple of God is?
Who are the elect that are enemies of the gospel?
What is the difference  between the spirit of slumber and the spirit of antichrist?

Well if I can only pick of the four then it is OBVIOUS!
1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

that antichrist shall COME. even now are there many!! See John knew the scripture teaches that there is a coming antichrist that is THE antichrist. But what he is saying in this verse is that there are NOW many that deny the Christ. John defines this for us in 1 John 2:22 so there is no guessing as to what his definition is. I pointed this out in another post to Pete that since there where no Muslim when this was written WHO do you think he is talking about. Which by the way Pete you didn't answer. I think you don't like the hard Questions. Anyway.. If we go into other scripture like Mat 24 and Mark 13 Luke 21 2 Thes 2 and then we can go into the minor and major prophets. This is what the word of God teaches us and I really don't see with all the explanation of scripture I have given you don't see it.

[Michael2]

I have MANY MANY passages to prove what I KNOW to be fact, however this is something even after YEARS of study I still didn't understand until God showed me.

Did He? Let's see. Have you ever heard of a man named Arnold Murray?

YES HE DID! And yes I do know Pastor Murray.

[Peter]

“The history of Genesis 3 is intended to teach us the fact that Satan's sphere of activities is in the religious sphere, and not the spheres of crime or immorality; that his battlefield is not the sins arising from human depravity, but the unbelief of the human heart. We are not to look for Satan's activities to-day in the newspaper press, or the police courts ; but in the pulpit, and in professors' chairs. Wherever the Word of God is called in question, there we see the trail of "that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan". This is why anything against the true interests of the Word of God (as being such) finds a ready admission into the news-papers of the world, and is treated as "general literature". This is why anything in favour of its inspiration and Divine origin and its spiritual truth is rigidly excluded as being "controversial".
    This is why Satan is quite content that the letter of Scripture should be accepted in Genesis 3, as he himself accepted the letter of Psalm 91:11. He himself could say "It is written" (Matthew 4:6) so long as the letter of what is "written" could be put instead of the truth that is conveyed by it; and so long as it is misquoted or misapplied.
    This is his object in perpetuating the traditions of the "snake" and the "apple", because it ministers to the acceptance of his lie, the hiding of God's truth, the support of tradition, the jeers of the infidel, the opposition of the critics, and the stumbling of the weak in faith. “
Dr. E.W. Bullinger

So that's where you get your futurism from.

"Bullinger's views were often unique, and sometimes controversial. He is so closely tied to what is now called "hyperdispensationalism" that it is sometimes referred to as Bullingerism.[10] Noted dispensationalist Harry A. Ironside (1876–1951) declared Bullingerism an "absolutely Satanic perversion of the truth" [11]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._W._Bullinger#Theology

[Peter]

Michael2

1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Maybe you could show us which one of the only 4 verses that use the term antichrist or antichrists tell us about your boogeyman antichrist that is still in our future?

Why do you disagree with what/where Paul told us the temple of God is?
Who are the elect that are enemies of the gospel?
What is the difference  between the spirit of slumber and the spirit of antichrist?

Well if I can only pick of the four then it is OBVIOUS!
1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

that antichrist shall COME. even now are there many!! See John knew the scripture teaches that there is a coming antichrist that is THE antichrist. But what he is saying in this verse is that there are NOW many that deny the Christ. John defines this for us in 1 John 2:22 so there is no guessing as to what his definition is. I pointed this out in another post to Pete that since there where no Muslim when this was written WHO do you think he is talking about. Which by the way Pete you didn't answer. I think you don't like the hard Questions. Anyway.. If we go into other scripture like Mat 24 and Mark 13 Luke 21 2 Thes 2 and then we can go into the minor and major prophets. This is what the word of God teaches us and I really don't see with all the explanation of scripture I have given you don't see it.

Why do you suppose it is that you still can't bring yourself to make a simple statement as to who you believe the father of Cain was?

KJV Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Why can't you simply name who you believe Cain's father was?

[Peter]

I have MANY MANY passages to prove what I KNOW to be fact, however this is something even after YEARS of study I still didn't understand until God showed me.

What I meant by this is, WHO these sons of Cain are today! I have known about the Sons of Cain for years, but just came into full understanding about a year and a half ago about who they are today! Go check out 1 Chron 2:55. Also they were with Israel when Baalam was hired to curse the children. We know this prophet-for-hire was not allowed to curse Israel, but look at his description of the future of the Kenites ( in the Hebrew this is Ben Kajin which literally translated means sons of Cain!) that accompanied them!
Numbers 24:21 21 And he looked on the Kenites, and took up his parable, and said, Strong is thy dwellingplace, and thou puttest thy nest in a ROCK. 22 Nevertheless the Kenite shall be wasted, until Asshur shall carry thee away captive. 23 And he took up his parable, and said, Alas, who shall live when God doeth this!

If you don't understand this then that is your problem.

See, your reference to a single tribe of Jews gave you/Murray away. Your reference to the Kenites confirmed it.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3150.0

[Michael2]

“The history of Genesis 3 is intended to teach us the fact that Satan's sphere of activities is in the religious sphere, and not the spheres of crime or immorality; that his battlefield is not the sins arising from human depravity, but the unbelief of the human heart. We are not to look for Satan's activities to-day in the newspaper press, or the police courts ; but in the pulpit, and in professors' chairs. Wherever the Word of God is called in question, there we see the trail of "that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan". This is why anything against the true interests of the Word of God (as being such) finds a ready admission into the news-papers of the world, and is treated as "general literature". This is why anything in favour of its inspiration and Divine origin and its spiritual truth is rigidly excluded as being "controversial".
    This is why Satan is quite content that the letter of Scripture should be accepted in Genesis 3, as he himself accepted the letter of Psalm 91:11. He himself could say "It is written" (Matthew 4:6) so long as the letter of what is "written" could be put instead of the truth that is conveyed by it; and so long as it is misquoted or misapplied.
    This is his object in perpetuating the traditions of the "snake" and the "apple", because it ministers to the acceptance of his lie, the hiding of God's truth, the support of tradition, the jeers of the infidel, the opposition of the critics, and the stumbling of the weak in faith. “
Dr. E.W. Bullinger

So that's where you get your futurism from.

"Bullinger's views were often unique, and sometimes controversial. He is so closely tied to what is now called "hyperdispensationalism" that it is sometimes referred to as Bullingerism.[10] Noted dispensationalist Harry A. Ironside (1876–1951) declared Bullingerism an "absolutely Satanic perversion of the truth" [11]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._W._Bullinger#Theology

Then Ironside is not to bright! LOL
Are you familiar with Occams Razor?? It says
"The simplest explanation for some phenomenon is more likely to be accurate than more complicated explanations."
in other words is it more likely that Bullinger was blessed among men in the word of God. or is it more likely that all the bad things that BAD people say are true. And those that ridicule really don't have a clue what they are talking about and they are really trying to destroy a work that would honor God? Kind of like people that try and destroy the work King James commissioned! They try and try but the truth is What King James did was a Good work that honors God!
Did you know that Bullinger was the only Christian scholar who Ginsburg allowed to proofread his compilation of the massoretico-critical text of the Hebrew Massorah, The smaller commentary writing in the Hebrew text from the time of Ezra/Nehemiah. I think his view is correct.
I use to people that would ridicule REAL Christians scholars and If you have done this long at all you should be too!

[Michael2]

I have MANY MANY passages to prove what I KNOW to be fact, however this is something even after YEARS of study I still didn't understand until God showed me.

What I meant by this is, WHO these sons of Cain are today! I have known about the Sons of Cain for years, but just came into full understanding about a year and a half ago about who they are today! Go check out 1 Chron 2:55. Also they were with Israel when Baalam was hired to curse the children. We know this prophet-for-hire was not allowed to curse Israel, but look at his description of the future of the Kenites ( in the Hebrew this is Ben Kajin which literally translated means sons of Cain!) that accompanied them!
Numbers 24:21 21 And he looked on the Kenites, and took up his parable, and said, Strong is thy dwellingplace, and thou puttest thy nest in a ROCK. 22 Nevertheless the Kenite shall be wasted, until Asshur shall carry thee away captive. 23 And he took up his parable, and said, Alas, who shall live when God doeth this!

If you don't understand this then that is your problem.

See, your reference to a single tribe of Jews gave you/Murray away. Your reference to the Kenites confirmed it.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3150.0

LOL! So? Did I deny this?

[Michael2]

Michael2

1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Maybe you could show us which one of the only 4 verses that use the term antichrist or antichrists tell us about your boogeyman antichrist that is still in our future?

Why do you disagree with what/where Paul told us the temple of God is?
Who are the elect that are enemies of the gospel?
What is the difference  between the spirit of slumber and the spirit of antichrist?

Well if I can only pick of the four then it is OBVIOUS!
1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

that antichrist shall COME. even now are there many!! See John knew the scripture teaches that there is a coming antichrist that is THE antichrist. But what he is saying in this verse is that there are NOW many that deny the Christ. John defines this for us in 1 John 2:22 so there is no guessing as to what his definition is. I pointed this out in another post to Pete that since there where no Muslim when this was written WHO do you think he is talking about. Which by the way Pete you didn't answer. I think you don't like the hard Questions. Anyway.. If we go into other scripture like Mat 24 and Mark 13 Luke 21 2 Thes 2 and then we can go into the minor and major prophets. This is what the word of God teaches us and I really don't see with all the explanation of scripture I have given you don't see it.

Why do you suppose it is that you still can't bring yourself to make a simple statement as to who you believe the father of Cain was?

KJV Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Why can't you simply name who you believe Cain's father was?

Your kidding right?? It is Satan! Again it is NOT who I believe did you read all the scripture I gave you. It has nothing to do with me not wanting to SAY it! I wanted YOU to read it for your self! It is not that hard.

[Peter]

I have MANY MANY passages to prove what I KNOW to be fact, however this is something even after YEARS of study I still didn't understand until God showed me.

What I meant by this is, WHO these sons of Cain are today! I have known about the Sons of Cain for years, but just came into full understanding about a year and a half ago about who they are today! Go check out 1 Chron 2:55. Also they were with Israel when Baalam was hired to curse the children. We know this prophet-for-hire was not allowed to curse Israel, but look at his description of the future of the Kenites ( in the Hebrew this is Ben Kajin which literally translated means sons of Cain!) that accompanied them!
Numbers 24:21 21 And he looked on the Kenites, and took up his parable, and said, Strong is thy dwellingplace, and thou puttest thy nest in a ROCK. 22 Nevertheless the Kenite shall be wasted, until Asshur shall carry thee away captive. 23 And he took up his parable, and said, Alas, who shall live when God doeth this!

If you don't understand this then that is your problem.

See, your reference to a single tribe of Jews gave you/Murray away. Your reference to the Kenites confirmed it.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3150.0

LOL! So? Did I deny this?

Well when I explained to you that you couldn't have pulled your/Darby's futurist doctrine from thin air, you seemed to want to insist that somehow you came up with that whole fantasy on your own. Eariler your wrote:

Just because we both KNOW that there will be a future anti-christ you make the connection. And I can assure you my friend that is where the connection ends!

Which brings me to another question I asked that you ignored.

I am willing to debate on a mature level when you are.

Then let us. Since I've only gotten glimpses of what you believe about Revelation and Daniel and the Olivet Discourse let me ask a broad question.

What portions of the book of Revelation - after chapter 3 - do you believe have been fulfilled?

[Michael2]

What portions of the book of Revelation - after chapter 3 - do you believe have been fulfilled?

Why do you ask like this? What happens in Rev 3. Are you one of those that think John represents the Church. And when told to come up hither, that it is the rapture of the Church?

[Peter]

Michael2

1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Maybe you could show us which one of the only 4 verses that use the term antichrist or antichrists tell us about your boogeyman antichrist that is still in our future?

Why do you disagree with what/where Paul told us the temple of God is?
Who are the elect that are enemies of the gospel?
What is the difference  between the spirit of slumber and the spirit of antichrist?

Well if I can only pick of the four then it is OBVIOUS!
1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

that antichrist shall COME. even now are there many!! See John knew the scripture teaches that there is a coming antichrist that is THE antichrist. But what he is saying in this verse is that there are NOW many that deny the Christ. John defines this for us in 1 John 2:22 so there is no guessing as to what his definition is. I pointed this out in another post to Pete that since there where no Muslim when this was written WHO do you think he is talking about. Which by the way Pete you didn't answer. I think you don't like the hard Questions. Anyway.. If we go into other scripture like Mat 24 and Mark 13 Luke 21 2 Thes 2 and then we can go into the minor and major prophets. This is what the word of God teaches us and I really don't see with all the explanation of scripture I have given you don't see it.

Why do you suppose it is that you still can't bring yourself to make a simple statement as to who you believe the father of Cain was?

KJV Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Why can't you simply name who you believe Cain's father was?

Your kidding right?? It is Satan! Again it is NOT who I believe did you read all the scripture I gave you. It has nothing to do with me not wanting to SAY it! I wanted YOU to read it for your self! It is not that hard.

Not kidding. It's not funny. I wanted your declaration to immediately follow the truth of God's Word as to who the father of Cain was, so other anti-Zionists could see who they are in company with, along with the other usual suspects that Ive mentioned a few times like Nazis and skinheads who, by the way, also happen to appreciate Mr. Murray's false teaching. See why I cited the verses on good fruit?
And rather than acknowledge the plain truth of verse, the first time I entered it, you instead proof-texted a small blizzard of Murray's false teaching, right out of his playbook.
The reason I wanted to show the stark contrast between the truth of the verse and your exact opposite declaration, side-by-side, is because it is instructive as to what happens when a person first closes their eyes to conspicuous truth and instead follows a false prophet / false teacher instead.

[Peter]

What portions of the book of Revelation - after chapter 3 - do you believe have been fulfilled?

Why do you ask like this? What happens in Rev 3. Are you one of those that think John represents the Church. And when told to come up hither, that it is the rapture of the Church?

Seems you are so scripted by the false prophet you follow you are rendered incapable of simply answering questions.
Most Christians understand the first 3 chapters of Revelation are John addressing the church, while chapter 4 is the beginning of John's prophetic vision.
So what portions of Revelation, from chapter 4 until the end, do you believe have been fulfilled?

[Marturion]

Michael2

1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Maybe you could show us which one of the only 4 verses that use the term antichrist or antichrists tell us about your boogeyman antichrist that is still in our future?

Why do you disagree with what/where Paul told us the temple of God is?
Who are the elect that are enemies of the gospel?
What is the difference  between the spirit of slumber and the spirit of antichrist?

Well if I can only pick of the four then it is OBVIOUS!
1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

that antichrist shall COME. even now are there many!! See John knew the scripture teaches that there is a coming antichrist that is THE antichrist. But what he is saying in this verse is that there are NOW many that deny the Christ. John defines this for us in 1 John 2:22 so there is no guessing as to what his definition is. I pointed this out in another post to Pete that since there where no Muslim when this was written WHO do you think he is talking about. Which by the way Pete you didn't answer. I think you don't like the hard Questions. Anyway.. If we go into other scripture like Mat 24 and Mark 13 Luke 21 2 Thes 2 and then we can go into the minor and major prophets. This is what the word of God teaches us and I really don't see with all the explanation of scripture I have given you don't see it.

So you don't believe what John told us when he said "this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world"?  If the one we heard should come isn't the one we heard shall come maybe you could show us where it was they heard about this one?

1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The reason you can only pick from these 4 is simple they are the only 4 verses that speak of antichrist. 

I also asked you about the temple of God, Where did Paul tell us it was? Why do you ignore what he told us and believe some man made building can be the temple of God?
Heb 8:1 - 2  Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

[Michael2]

Michael2

1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Maybe you could show us which one of the only 4 verses that use the term antichrist or antichrists tell us about your boogeyman antichrist that is still in our future?

Why do you disagree with what/where Paul told us the temple of God is?
Who are the elect that are enemies of the gospel?
What is the difference  between the spirit of slumber and the spirit of antichrist?

Well if I can only pick of the four then it is OBVIOUS!
1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

that antichrist shall COME. even now are there many!! See John knew the scripture teaches that there is a coming antichrist that is THE antichrist. But what he is saying in this verse is that there are NOW many that deny the Christ. John defines this for us in 1 John 2:22 so there is no guessing as to what his definition is. I pointed this out in another post to Pete that since there where no Muslim when this was written WHO do you think he is talking about. Which by the way Pete you didn't answer. I think you don't like the hard Questions. Anyway.. If we go into other scripture like Mat 24 and Mark 13 Luke 21 2 Thes 2 and then we can go into the minor and major prophets. This is what the word of God teaches us and I really don't see with all the explanation of scripture I have given you don't see it.

So you don't believe what John told us when he said "this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world"?  If the one we heard should come isn't the one we heard shall come maybe you could show us where it was they heard about this one?

1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The reason you can only pick from these 4 is simple they are the only 4 verses that speak of antichrist. 

I also asked you about the temple of God, Where did Paul tell us it was? Why do you ignore what he told us and believe some man made building can be the temple of God?
Heb 8:1 - 2  Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

No I agree with John 100%. You don't understand what John was saying!

[Michael2]

What portions of the book of Revelation - after chapter 3 - do you believe have been fulfilled?

Why do you ask like this? What happens in Rev 3. Are you one of those that think John represents the Church. And when told to come up hither, that it is the rapture of the Church?

Seems you are so scripted by the false prophet you follow you are rendered incapable of simply answering questions.
Most Christians understand the first 3 chapters of Revelation are John addressing the church, while chapter 4 is the beginning of John's prophetic vision.
So what portions of Revelation, from chapter 4 until the end, do you believe have been fulfilled?

False Prophet. That is FUNNY. Again Occams Razor! It is not wise to speak bad of real teachers of Gods word.  Speaking Of answering Questions you disregard MANY yourself. So again do YOU believe that John represents the Church. Yes NO will sufice! As to timeline we are in the fifth seal! and It appears the 1st beast of Rev 13 is rising.

[Marturion]

Michael2

1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Maybe you could show us which one of the only 4 verses that use the term antichrist or antichrists tell us about your boogeyman antichrist that is still in our future?

Why do you disagree with what/where Paul told us the temple of God is?
Who are the elect that are enemies of the gospel?
What is the difference  between the spirit of slumber and the spirit of antichrist?

Well if I can only pick of the four then it is OBVIOUS!
1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

that antichrist shall COME. even now are there many!! See John knew the scripture teaches that there is a coming antichrist that is THE antichrist. But what he is saying in this verse is that there are NOW many that deny the Christ. John defines this for us in 1 John 2:22 so there is no guessing as to what his definition is. I pointed this out in another post to Pete that since there where no Muslim when this was written WHO do you think he is talking about. Which by the way Pete you didn't answer. I think you don't like the hard Questions. Anyway.. If we go into other scripture like Mat 24 and Mark 13 Luke 21 2 Thes 2 and then we can go into the minor and major prophets. This is what the word of God teaches us and I really don't see with all the explanation of scripture I have given you don't see it.

So you don't believe what John told us when he said "this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world"?  If the one we heard should come isn't the one we heard shall come maybe you could show us where it was they heard about this one?

1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The reason you can only pick from these 4 is simple they are the only 4 verses that speak of antichrist. 

I also asked you about the temple of God, Where did Paul tell us it was? Why do you ignore what he told us and believe some man made building can be the temple of God?
Heb 8:1 - 2  Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

No I agree with John 100%. You don't understand what John was saying!

If Jihn was not referring to the antichrist from 1John2:18 when he said "this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. " in 1John4:3 Then where is it we heard this one shall come? Book chapter and verse please?

[Michael2]

Michael2

1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Maybe you could show us which one of the only 4 verses that use the term antichrist or antichrists tell us about your boogeyman antichrist that is still in our future?

Why do you disagree with what/where Paul told us the temple of God is?
Who are the elect that are enemies of the gospel?
What is the difference  between the spirit of slumber and the spirit of antichrist?

Well if I can only pick of the four then it is OBVIOUS!
1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

that antichrist shall COME. even now are there many!! See John knew the scripture teaches that there is a coming antichrist that is THE antichrist. But what he is saying in this verse is that there are NOW many that deny the Christ. John defines this for us in 1 John 2:22 so there is no guessing as to what his definition is. I pointed this out in another post to Pete that since there where no Muslim when this was written WHO do you think he is talking about. Which by the way Pete you didn't answer. I think you don't like the hard Questions. Anyway.. If we go into other scripture like Mat 24 and Mark 13 Luke 21 2 Thes 2 and then we can go into the minor and major prophets. This is what the word of God teaches us and I really don't see with all the explanation of scripture I have given you don't see it.

So you don't believe what John told us when he said "this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world"?  If the one we heard should come isn't the one we heard shall come maybe you could show us where it was they heard about this one?

1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The reason you can only pick from these 4 is simple they are the only 4 verses that speak of antichrist. 

I also asked you about the temple of God, Where did Paul tell us it was? Why do you ignore what he told us and believe some man made building can be the temple of God?
Heb 8:1 - 2  Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

No I agree with John 100%. You don't understand what John was saying!

If Jihn was not referring to the antichrist from 1John2:18 when he said "this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. " in 1John4:3 Then where is it we heard this one shall come? Book chapter and verse please?

This is getting redundant! Dan 9:27 Mat 24:15 2 Thes 2:3
Watch REAL close

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

If you can't understand the son of Perdition IS SATAN then you are already deceived. If you can't see that Jesus HIMSELF will destroy this one you are deceived. Understand? Guys this stuff is pretty simple if you will listen to the word of God. Quit listening to men and trust the Lord. He has foretold us all things. Just like God told Noah exactly what would happen in his day here Paul is telling us and Jesus told us in the Olivet Discourse!

[Marturion]

Michael2

1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Maybe you could show us which one of the only 4 verses that use the term antichrist or antichrists tell us about your boogeyman antichrist that is still in our future?

Why do you disagree with what/where Paul told us the temple of God is?
Who are the elect that are enemies of the gospel?
What is the difference  between the spirit of slumber and the spirit of antichrist?

Well if I can only pick of the four then it is OBVIOUS!
1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

that antichrist shall COME. even now are there many!! See John knew the scripture teaches that there is a coming antichrist that is THE antichrist. But what he is saying in this verse is that there are NOW many that deny the Christ. John defines this for us in 1 John 2:22 so there is no guessing as to what his definition is. I pointed this out in another post to Pete that since there where no Muslim when this was written WHO do you think he is talking about. Which by the way Pete you didn't answer. I think you don't like the hard Questions. Anyway.. If we go into other scripture like Mat 24 and Mark 13 Luke 21 2 Thes 2 and then we can go into the minor and major prophets. This is what the word of God teaches us and I really don't see with all the explanation of scripture I have given you don't see it.

So you don't believe what John told us when he said "this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world"?  If the one we heard should come isn't the one we heard shall come maybe you could show us where it was they heard about this one?

1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The reason you can only pick from these 4 is simple they are the only 4 verses that speak of antichrist. 

I also asked you about the temple of God, Where did Paul tell us it was? Why do you ignore what he told us and believe some man made building can be the temple of God?
Heb 8:1 - 2  Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

No I agree with John 100%. You don't understand what John was saying!

If Jihn was not referring to the antichrist from 1John2:18 when he said "this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. " in 1John4:3 Then where is it we heard this one shall come? Book chapter and verse please?

This is getting redundant! Dan 9:27 Mat 24:15 2 Thes 2:3
Watch REAL close

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

If you can't understand the son of Perdition IS SATAN then you are already deceived. If you can't see that Jesus HIMSELF will destroy this one you are deceived. Understand? Guys this stuff is pretty simple if you will listen to the word of God. Quit listening to men and trust the Lord. He has foretold us all things. Just like God told Noah exactly what would happen in his day here Paul is telling us and Jesus told us in the Olivet Discourse!

parrotting your same doctrinal argument over and over again won't make it any more correct now then the first time you used it. As has already been demonstrated the abomination of desolation is an it (an it is an inanimate object) that is set up or standing while an antichrist (per Scripture) is an idividual or spirit that denies Christ/God and there are many that have been in the world since John wrote the only 4 verses that use the term. Now if you want to say the man of sin is your end time boogieman aka "the Antichrist" well then friend you made the claim the burden of proof is on you. Just quoting verses does not prove your intepretation is correct. Show me a Scripturally sound study using sound hermeneutic principles not a doctrinally based argument that is Scripturally bankrupt.

[Michael2]

Michael2

1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Maybe you could show us which one of the only 4 verses that use the term antichrist or antichrists tell us about your boogeyman antichrist that is still in our future?

Why do you disagree with what/where Paul told us the temple of God is?
Who are the elect that are enemies of the gospel?
What is the difference  between the spirit of slumber and the spirit of antichrist?

Well if I can only pick of the four then it is OBVIOUS!
1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

that antichrist shall COME. even now are there many!! See John knew the scripture teaches that there is a coming antichrist that is THE antichrist. But what he is saying in this verse is that there are NOW many that deny the Christ. John defines this for us in 1 John 2:22 so there is no guessing as to what his definition is. I pointed this out in another post to Pete that since there where no Muslim when this was written WHO do you think he is talking about. Which by the way Pete you didn't answer. I think you don't like the hard Questions. Anyway.. If we go into other scripture like Mat 24 and Mark 13 Luke 21 2 Thes 2 and then we can go into the minor and major prophets. This is what the word of God teaches us and I really don't see with all the explanation of scripture I have given you don't see it.

So you don't believe what John told us when he said "this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world"?  If the one we heard should come isn't the one we heard shall come maybe you could show us where it was they heard about this one?

1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The reason you can only pick from these 4 is simple they are the only 4 verses that speak of antichrist. 

I also asked you about the temple of God, Where did Paul tell us it was? Why do you ignore what he told us and believe some man made building can be the temple of God?
Heb 8:1 - 2  Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

No I agree with John 100%. You don't understand what John was saying!

If Jihn was not referring to the antichrist from 1John2:18 when he said "this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. " in 1John4:3 Then where is it we heard this one shall come? Book chapter and verse please?

This is getting redundant! Dan 9:27 Mat 24:15 2 Thes 2:3
Watch REAL close

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

If you can't understand the son of Perdition IS SATAN then you are already deceived. If you can't see that Jesus HIMSELF will destroy this one you are deceived. Understand? Guys this stuff is pretty simple if you will listen to the word of God. Quit listening to men and trust the Lord. He has foretold us all things. Just like God told Noah exactly what would happen in his day here Paul is telling us and Jesus told us in the Olivet Discourse!

parrotting your same doctrinal argument over and over again won't make it any more correct now then the first time you used it. As has already been demonstrated the abomination of desolation is an it (an it is an inanimate object) that is set up or standing while an antichrist (per Scripture) is an idividual or spirit that denies Christ/God and there are many that have been in the world since John wrote the only 4 verses that use the term. Now if you want to say the man of sin is your end time boogieman aka "the Antichrist" well then friend you made the claim the burden of proof is on you. Just quoting verses does not prove your intepretation is correct. Show me a Scripturally sound study using sound hermeneutic principles not a doctrinally based argument that is Scripturally bankrupt.

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
You think this is an IT?
Also your wrong. I did not make the claim, Paul made this one and he is correct. If we are not to quote scripture to prove a point in the word of God then what exactly are we to quote? I really wouldn't think this would need anymore explaining. This is OBVIOUS!
The Abomination of Desolation. Do you know what those words mean? We have went over this as well. and the word "IT" from Greek can be he him she her or it. Put into context with the rest of scripture will only leave you with ONE answer. And one more time according to Paul. Jesus will destroy the one setting in the temple claiming to be God when he RETURNS. Now you tell me if this is NOT the antichrist. Who is it?

[Peter]

Michael2

1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Maybe you could show us which one of the only 4 verses that use the term antichrist or antichrists tell us about your boogeyman antichrist that is still in our future?

Why do you disagree with what/where Paul told us the temple of God is?
Who are the elect that are enemies of the gospel?
What is the difference  between the spirit of slumber and the spirit of antichrist?

Well if I can only pick of the four then it is OBVIOUS!
1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

that antichrist shall COME. even now are there many!! See John knew the scripture teaches that there is a coming antichrist that is THE antichrist. But what he is saying in this verse is that there are NOW many that deny the Christ. John defines this for us in 1 John 2:22 so there is no guessing as to what his definition is. I pointed this out in another post to Pete that since there where no Muslim when this was written WHO do you think he is talking about. Which by the way Pete you didn't answer. I think you don't like the hard Questions. Anyway.. If we go into other scripture like Mat 24 and Mark 13 Luke 21 2 Thes 2 and then we can go into the minor and major prophets. This is what the word of God teaches us and I really don't see with all the explanation of scripture I have given you don't see it.

So you don't believe what John told us when he said "this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world"?  If the one we heard should come isn't the one we heard shall come maybe you could show us where it was they heard about this one?

1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The reason you can only pick from these 4 is simple they are the only 4 verses that speak of antichrist. 

I also asked you about the temple of God, Where did Paul tell us it was? Why do you ignore what he told us and believe some man made building can be the temple of God?
Heb 8:1 - 2  Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

No I agree with John 100%. You don't understand what John was saying!

If Jihn was not referring to the antichrist from 1John2:18 when he said "this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. " in 1John4:3 Then where is it we heard this one shall come? Book chapter and verse please?

This is getting redundant! Dan 9:27 Mat 24:15 2 Thes 2:3
Watch REAL close

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

If you can't understand the son of Perdition IS SATAN then you are already deceived. If you can't see that Jesus HIMSELF will destroy this one you are deceived. Understand? Guys this stuff is pretty simple if you will listen to the word of God. Quit listening to men and trust the Lord. He has foretold us all things. Just like God told Noah exactly what would happen in his day here Paul is telling us and Jesus told us in the Olivet Discourse!

You are jumping into futurist doctrine rather than addressing his point. Piling another of Darby's futurist false presumptions onto an earlier misunderstanding doesn't make it right. Maybe this will help:

"ye have heard that antichrist shall come"
"this is that [spirit] of antichrist, ye have heard that it should come"

All of those verses talk about "that spirit of antichrist"

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1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Maybe you could show us which one of the only 4 verses that use the term antichrist or antichrists tell us about your boogeyman antichrist that is still in our future?

Why do you disagree with what/where Paul told us the temple of God is?
Who are the elect that are enemies of the gospel?
What is the difference  between the spirit of slumber and the spirit of antichrist?

Well if I can only pick of the four then it is OBVIOUS!
1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

that antichrist shall COME. even now are there many!! See John knew the scripture teaches that there is a coming antichrist that is THE antichrist. But what he is saying in this verse is that there are NOW many that deny the Christ. John defines this for us in 1 John 2:22 so there is no guessing as to what his definition is. I pointed this out in another post to Pete that since there where no Muslim when this was written WHO do you think he is talking about. Which by the way Pete you didn't answer. I think you don't like the hard Questions. Anyway.. If we go into other scripture like Mat 24 and Mark 13 Luke 21 2 Thes 2 and then we can go into the minor and major prophets. This is what the word of God teaches us and I really don't see with all the explanation of scripture I have given you don't see it.

So you don't believe what John told us when he said "this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world"?  If the one we heard should come isn't the one we heard shall come maybe you could show us where it was they heard about this one?

1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The reason you can only pick from these 4 is simple they are the only 4 verses that speak of antichrist. 

I also asked you about the temple of God, Where did Paul tell us it was? Why do you ignore what he told us and believe some man made building can be the temple of God?
Heb 8:1 - 2  Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

No I agree with John 100%. You don't understand what John was saying!

If Jihn was not referring to the antichrist from 1John2:18 when he said "this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. " in 1John4:3 Then where is it we heard this one shall come? Book chapter and verse please?

This is getting redundant! Dan 9:27 Mat 24:15 2 Thes 2:3
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1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

If you can't understand the son of Perdition IS SATAN then you are already deceived. If you can't see that Jesus HIMSELF will destroy this one you are deceived. Understand? Guys this stuff is pretty simple if you will listen to the word of God. Quit listening to men and trust the Lord. He has foretold us all things. Just like God told Noah exactly what would happen in his day here Paul is telling us and Jesus told us in the Olivet Discourse!

parrotting your same doctrinal argument over and over again won't make it any more correct now then the first time you used it. As has already been demonstrated the abomination of desolation is an it (an it is an inanimate object) that is set up or standing while an antichrist (per Scripture) is an idividual or spirit that denies Christ/God and there are many that have been in the world since John wrote the only 4 verses that use the term. Now if you want to say the man of sin is your end time boogieman aka "the Antichrist" well then friend you made the claim the burden of proof is on you. Just quoting verses does not prove your intepretation is correct. Show me a Scripturally sound study using sound hermeneutic principles not a doctrinally based argument that is Scripturally bankrupt.

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
You think this is an IT?
Also your wrong. I did not make the claim, Paul made this one and he is correct. If we are not to quote scripture to prove a point in the word of God then what exactly are we to quote? I really wouldn't think this would need anymore explaining. This is OBVIOUS!
The Abomination of Desolation. Do you know what those words mean? We have went over this as well. and the word "IT" from Greek can be he him she her or it. Put into context with the rest of scripture will only leave you with ONE answer. And one more time according to Paul. Jesus will destroy the one setting in the temple claiming to be God when he RETURNS. Now you tell me if this is NOT the antichrist. Who is it?

For starters Jesus referred us to Daniel for understanding on the abomination of desolation not Paul. Yes "it" can refer to a person when the sex is unkown, are you implying you don't know the sex of a man? Also the temple of God is not a man made temple in Jerusalem but the body of a believer or the corporate body. Can you show where Paul said the temple of God is a man made building? Wasn't Paul the one who told us about the man of sin, the same Paul who told us the body of the believer or the corporate body is the temple of God? Why do you ignore what Paul says to stand by the teachings of a false prophet who predicted Armagedon in 1985 and as we can all see that didn't happen. Do you really trust the teachings of a false prophet?