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[Peter]

[[[[listen you idiot.....

The copies your refering to ARE from the 17th Century (COPIES) Since Pope Glasius I (496 A.D) would not allow anyone to read the Gospel of Barnabas, the Pope kept copies in their libraries.]]]]

You are free to believe any fantasy that you want.
It isn't the opinions of men that make the Mohammedan book of Barnabas a fraud.
It is the internal evidence within the book itself that condemns it.

[[[[READ YOUR BIBLE!!!!!!

ACTS 12:25
" And Barnabas and Saul returned from Jerusalem, when they had fulfilled their ministry, and took with them John, whose surname was Mark."

ACTS 14: 11 TO 15
" And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices saying in the speach of Lycoania,. The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas Jupiter, and Paul Mercurius. "Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, braught oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.

"Which when the apostakes, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in amont the people, crying out. And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from thes vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are theron."

So when you want to deny someone of being lived at a specific period of time,....]]]]

Who ever denied that a Barnabas lived back then?
I simply declared that the 16th century fraudulent Mohammedan creation of the book of Barnabas is a joke. Didn't you read the link I sent? Here's 32 reasons it is a conspicuous fraud, based on it's own internal evidence.
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-judas-gospel-of-barnabas.htm

[[[[ ....i would look through my bible to see what changes i need to make before accusing a man of being a fake or a fraud or a creator of his "own" bible. If this "Gospel of Barnabas" was so fraudulent then why did the Pope keep it safe and protected?]]]]

That's the whole point. He didn't and couldn't have since it was a 16th century Mohammedan fraud.
http://truthmagazine.com/archives/volume44/V44021706.htm

"The Gospel of Barnabas first appeared in the latter part of the sixteenth century in the hands of Fra Marino, a monk who had converted to Islam. The document was written in Italian. It is likely that Fra Marino himself put it together, using a number of sources. It did not become known until this century. The manuscript is now in the imperial library of Vienna."

[[[[ Why is there till this very day? If it was all forgery, why didnt they simply throw it out like they do with all the Bible re-writings? Does that make sense to you? If it does, your an idiot!]]]]

It is thrown out of any Christian book. It is a 16th century Mohammedan fraud.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dejfJNF2_s

[Peter]

[[[This s what you said right?

But the computer generated gematria began back around 1968 with a Muslim named Rashad Khalifa, He and his gematria were widely heralded and regarded, by Muslims all around the world for his mathematical "miracle"..
wikipedia. org/wiki/Rashad_Khalifa
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You have the nerve to tell me to educate myself?????????? Are you retarted or something? Where the hell did you get that information from that muslims thought this was a miricle and that he was regarded by muslims around the world.....]]]]

You weren't even born yet boy.

[[[["Rashad Khalifa [who] was hated by Muslim extremists [that were] opposed to his teachings. His murderer was never caught, but El-Hage, who was indicted for lying about the case, called the assassination 'a good thing.'" [7]"

First of all the article says that the West didnt even pay any attention to him.......]]]]

But western Muslims are considered apostate by many of their middle eastern brethren anyway. Particularly those western Muslims that want to live in peace.

But how did the Muslims in the cradle of the religion, that GET Islam, receive Khalifa's work?

"Many popular magazines and newspapers in the Muslim world reported his discoveries. Khalifa's first publicized report appeared in the Egyptian magazine Akher Sa'a (January 24, 1973). Updates of his research were subsequently published by the same magazine (November 28, 1973 and December 31, 1975). Many other magazines and newspaper articles by and about Khalifa appeared throughout the world in many languages."

Did you think I didn't have access to the article? Do you see how silly your obfuscation was? That's what the spirit of antichrist does. It inverts right and wrong, good and evil. That's why you prefer a lie:

2Thes 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 [EVEN HIM],WHOSE COMING IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because THEY RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

[[[[[..... and his supposed findings or mathmatics? Any one with too much damn time on their hand can find patterns and sequences and connections with numbers in a book or in a letter or whatever....He was nothing special...( READ ABOVE, DIRECTLY FROM THE ARTICLE) THAT YOU INCLUDED FOR ME TO READ.]]]]

The interesting thing is that out of the entire universe of numbers that his gematria came up with, you gotta wonder how it happened that the holy number he picked for Muslims is 666!!!!
Isn't that perfect, for the religion that is the PERFECT OPPOSITE of Christianity?

[[[[Secondly.... the number in Chapter 74 of the Quran that you ignorantly misunderstood, very typical of you, was 19 NOT 666! So please, educate yourself!]]]]

Why would I care what Satan's book says at the margins? I only need a single verse for it to prove itself to be the EXACT OPPOSITE of the 1400 year revelation of God to mankind through His Holy Word:

Surah 4:157 That THEY SAID (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them,... FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT:-

That single verse makes Islam the EXACT OPPOSITE of what ALL the prophets, apostles, and Jesus Christ taught. The OPPOSITE of the New Testament and new covenant through the blood of Jesus Christ. The OPPOSITE of God is Satan, my friend.

[[[[[He was a secular Muslim...(there is no such thing to follow) Your either a Muslim, all heartidly, or your simply NOT.]]]]

That would be hilarious if it weren't so tragic. Why do you suppose it is that Sunnis and Shiites murder each other over their differences?

[[[[ There is no changing religion, or adding things or taking away thigns ( like Rashad believed in one god, believed in the Quran, yet he said that the hadeeths and stories were fabrications)......]]]]

It's no surprise that some Muslims would want to distance themselves from the hadiths.

Sunan Abu Dawood Vol3 Bk36 N0 4917

Then they brought me to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and he had sexual intercourse with me. I was nine years old.

Here is a picture of a 53 year old lecher splashing in the tub with his - already violated - 9 year old "wife":

bukhari (6:298) Narrated 'Aisha:

The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).

Seemed he liked to sniff it up a bit:

Book 1, Number 0270:

Book 1, Number 0270:
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:

One night he entered (upon me) while I was menstruating. He went to the place of his prayer,...reserved (for this purpose) in his house. He did not return until I felt asleep heavily, and he felt pain from cold. And he said: Come near me. I said: I am menstruating. He said: Uncover your thighs. I, therefore, uncovered both of my thighs. Then he put his cheek and chest on my thighs and I lent upon he until he became warm and slept.

Bukhari (4:232) - Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:
I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that 'Aisha had said, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

[[[[..... A man that wants to take credit of a revelation that was given to share by a Prophet, is this a the man your using against us.]]]

No. It's far easier to use your own prophet against you. You have bet your eternity on a A SINGLE, 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic conquering, thief, false prophet reprobate. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.

[[[[ My friend, if Rashad was alive id be the first to Murder his worthless, secular, demeaning ass! So please,,,EDUCATE YOURSELF]]]]

And that is the way with Islam. Since you can't depend on God to sort things out you have to silence those that speak the truth. That's why bibles are banned in Muslim countries. That's why those in Islam that come to the truth of Jesus Christ are killed, as a danger in your community. That's why Mohammed prevented you from making friends with the kuffar. That's why Islam's interest has always been conquest of the kingdoms of this world. The kingdoms of this world have been satan's legal property ever since Adam's fall. Islam and Satan are always the perfect fit.

Forever is a very long time my friend. You have bet your eternity of A SINGLE 6th century reprobate coward and fraud, that was the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ and the 1400 year revelation of God to mankind.
And in regard to Ahmad Deddaat, I dont know if you were following what he was saying , you claim that islam is an evil faith because of what people do in the name of islam , so Deddaat pointing out that Hitler was an Arian Christian( form of catholic) and yet he did what he did , Hitler said he is a Christian in his speeches ( by the way ) , but your hypocrisy is astonishing , because he was a murderer he cant be a Christian, because our bible tells us that the commandments tells us that we cant kill innocent people,

I wish you could have told that to the pop that gathered the crusades in franc to tell them the Jesus demands them to take Jerusalem at any cost , 100,000 people perished, 70 thousand Muslims, and 30 thousand Christians killed on the hands of the Christians ( crusaders ) you know why because they considered them animals and beneath them , they are not European Christians ,,,, sad,,
Ohh my bible says you cant be a man of faith if you dont follow the commandments, if you followed the commandments you would not have any problem with the Muslims, I assure you, I agree to one thing , if your going to claim a faith for your self , act upon it , after all it is what you do not what you say only.
The same as Salman rushdie claims to be a Muslim, but yet he is a confessed atheist , ( an oxy moron).


You want a real bible verse ill give you one to answer that thou shalt love his enemy:
I believe I sent a quick verse from your bible that says I come not for peace , but with the sword,,,,etc
Jesus was talking . But yes I know you see only what you want to see,,, my friend with the things your posting, I wish deddaat was alive may allah rest his sould and have mercy on him , so you can go in public debate with him to show the world how you exposed the will established scholar, but yet I well look up this claim of yours Im pretty sure , that you got it wrong since so far , many things you get very wrong , really find better sources.

And in regard to the mufti of pal stain, spreading hatred against the Jew, ( should you be the mufti of America ), since I see nothing but hate towards the Islamic faith, let see its not the same !!!????

And I like when you use the term radical Muslim party this and radical Muslim party that,,, did you look up what radical means: let me help :
. 1. basic: relating to or affecting the basic nature or most important features of something
a radical difference between the two
2. pervasive: far-reaching, searching, or thoroughgoing
a radical reorganization of the company
3. favoring major changes: favoring or making economic, political, or social changes of a sweeping or extreme nature
4. botany growing from root: growing from a root of a plant or from the base of a stem .

I think the term applies to , Hammas , and kadema the ruling party of Israel , and if you dont see it to what its really is , I think you would find it very hard to explain the Israeli government ways , in confiscating land and property under the threat of the gun , and all other things that I have mentioned in the beginning.

In response to genesis 17:
I think you should have read the rest of it :



17 Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?

18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!

19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

22 And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.

23 And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.

24 And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.
25And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.
And just to let you know Ishmael(pbuh) sons are in your bible, trace it to the prophet mohammad, (pbuh). Anti semantic , how if Semitism is attributed to Abraham(pbuh).
I agree that the hate is there but there is a lot more political event that took place to make that hate reach this point. If you dont want to be hated you need to stop hating first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE3Lpiv9kO8

[Peter]

[[[you sent this:
Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
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im sorry who worships an image,??!!!!!]]]]]


The pinnacle of worship in Islam is jihad. The second Jihad, with over 12,000 deadly islamic terror attacks around the world, just since 9-11, is the image of the First Jihad.
The image of the 152 years of rape, pillage, plunder of that First Islamic jihad kingdom beast.
Here is a verse by verse of that section of scripture:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/leopard_bear_lion_beast.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WsWtSeudQo

[Peter]

[[[ let me think,,,(christians)
and whos book talks about the coming of the fake massiah,....]]]

There is reference to fake Christs in the plural, in the same verse that it condemns false prophets like Mohammed:

Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.

[[[[.... that well be in whos image????again]]]

The image of the Islamic kingdom beast. Please see attached for a hermeneutically sound discussion of this subject.

[[[[and you wanna use the greeks for your accusations and what the greeks say, are these greeks, ........]]]

The scriptures were written in Koine Greek. It was the lingua franca, of the first century.

[[[.......the same people that worship a huge number of gods , and that some of these gods have similar miracalous birhts by virgins, and die and get ressurected!!!???? the same people that made the gospils, the same people paul beloungs to with his new gospil that is diffrent than the others,.....]]]

Perhaps you could outline the differences, besides those that indicate that Paul was a terrific persecutor of Christians, just like Muslims, before he was saved. Not unlike Walid Shoebat's story, for example.

[[[[......, the same roman greek paul that calimed god talked to him and told him what to write in the gospil. to find him copying and changing text to what his beliefs were..and how the hell is this about mohammad (pbuh) ????????????????? i sent you more of tnhe context to see if you can try even to explain it, since i know what it means and what it talks about ,,, let see if you know what the hell your talking about.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.]]]

This is Jesus Christ. This is who will be your judge, and whose fierce countenance those blasphemers and deniers of Him will witness:

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto THE SON:

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

[[[[[13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.]]]

Jesus is that Word:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

[[[[[14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword,......]]]

Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

[[[...... that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: ......]]]

In Old Testament prophecy:

Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give [thee] the heathen [for] thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth [for] thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Heathen defined in this verse: Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne.

That she is Israel, that man child is Jesus Christ.

[[[.....and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.]]]

Judgment. Those that follow a false prophet and blaspheme the Son of God and His blood will meet God's wrath.

[[[[16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.]]]]

Jesus Christ. The Messiah. The awaited king of the Jews.

[[[[17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, .......]]]

See the reply video.

[[[[.....and the kings of the earth, ......]]]

The kingdoms of the earth became satan's legal possession at Adam's fall.

[[[....and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.]]]

Just as it is in the Middle East, or John's whole "world". Saudi Arabia the Christian beheading capital of the world.

[[[20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast,......]]]

This is a figurative mark. Virtually everyone in John's whole "world" outside of Israel, is marked by the Islamic beast

[[[[.... and them that worshipped his image.]]]]

Muslims worshipping in the second jihad that is the image of the first jihad.

[[[ These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.]]]

Just as I slay with the full amour of God today.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dejfJNF2_s

[Peter]

I wanted to fire that off before I lost it. let me expand here:

[[[Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne.]]]

That she is Israel, that man child is Jesus Christ.

[[[Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:]]]

This is how we know the woman is Israel:

Gen 37:5 And Joseph dreamed a dream, and he told [it] his brethren: and they hated him yet the more.

Gen 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.

[[[2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.]]]]

That red dragon is Satan.
Those seven heads are successive kingdoms that ruled the Middle East.
The seventh head was wounded to death. The seventh head is composed of the two empires of the first and second Islamic Jihads.
Attached video.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/johns_eight_beasts.htm

Ten horns are the remnant of the scattered Roman empire.

[[[[ 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. ]]]]

Satan to devour Jesus. As I write this I remembered Satan trying to offer Jesus all the kingdoms of the world. An obvious attempt to make Him fall.
These are Satan's kingdoms. That's why Islam lusts after them. Christians are called out of these kingdoms and are in the kingdom of God.

[[[5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne.]]]

Caught up unto God after His crucifixion, death and resurrection.

Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6GXi0KU_WQ

[Peter]

[[[,,, although you guys never win debates,,,]]]

Debate is nothing more than an entertaining carnival trick. When I was in school the state of the art was convincing a room full of people that something was true, that everyone should know is patently false.

Those like Deedat weren't even good debaters. Deedat used a fake bible verse of his own creation, for example, to convince Muslims that they are not antichrist. Lying isn't even debating.
Per the attached video.

Do you agree with Deedat that the First Epistle of John confirms Mohammed was a true prophet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDslsWDzPIc

[Peter]

[[[You said :
(You weren't even born yet boy)
No iwasnt thank god your time was the beginning of the worlds problems that we have to deal with today, you mess up and we clean, thank you for that.]]]

One thing I have noticed is that Muslims don't have much interest or knowledge in history. Our problems today stem from the debasing of our currency that was accomplished almost 100 years ago by Woodrow Wilson, via the Federal Reserve. That coupled with Maynard Keynes - Keynesian economics and voila. The results were predicted by some back then. When Keynes was told that in the long run his economic scheme would result in hyper inflationary bubble and collapse, his answer to his detractors "In the long run, we're all dead." He is dead, you and I, my friend, are not. The world is awash in phony money. Wilson and Keynes rooster has come home to roost. It is all over. Expect the return of Jesus Christ soon as we are about to experience global chaos on a scale unprecedented in history.
Imagine what it will be like, when the whole world realized simultaneously, that money.........isn't?!

[[[In regard to Rashad khalifa : 1-he did not find the numbers 666. Chech rashads own web site.
2- he found the number 19. Which if any thing confirms the holy book. And I well explain to you later in detal what its all about .
3- the muslims problem with him came to be that : A- he said dont follow the hadeeths for he found that they were corrupted . B- he said that he is the messenger of Allah ( and that is something that well not taking lightly).
Christian web sites say he fond the numbers 666 in the Quran ( false nothing in his studies said any thing close) .]]]

You don't have to resort to lies. Why not simply call it a Muslim cult? Nothing wrong with that or demeaning to Islam. There are lots of these guys. Try these:

http://www.universalunity.org/6.html
Better yet, try a search - sura 1 to sura 36 is 666.

]]]Logic says : if a man claims a book to be of Satan , why whould he claim that he is the messenger of Allah and that the Quran is the only holy book to be followed ????!!!!! Please dont take too long to think about this .
Any muslim knows that if there is a hadeeth that says any thing that contradicts the quran is not taking I!!!??? instead of getting your books from some christian that wrote it get it from the muslims and then look through the mistakes in it , then question.]]]

I understand your average Muslim does not believe any kind of gematria. But you have to ask yourself, out of all the numbers their gematria could have pulled out of the hat, what are the odds it would be 666?

[[[And I do agree with khalifa , my source is the Quran.]]]

Apparently some didn't, and resolved it typical Muslims fashion. Stabeed, what was it, 26 times and soaked in zylol?

[[[[ My second is the hadeeth as long as it doesnt contradicts the Quran. thats how we know what could be accurate and what not .
But I do not agree on his claim to be the apostle or messenger of (God).and I hope that you dont either !!???

This what you said :
The interesting thing is that out of the entire universe of numbers that his gematria came up with, you gotta wonder how it happened that the holy number he picked for Muslims is 666!!!!
Isn't that perfect, for the religion that is the PERFECT OPPOSITE of Christianity?

I say:
Who is he to pick a any thing for the muslims, a man with no authority by not us. Nor Allah.
And if he did pick that number when claiming him self to be a prophet, well your welcome , the muslims got rid of him . Since your bible tells you that 666 is number of the beast, and since kalifa was the one that picked it for him self as you say,, khalifa is beast and the muslims got rid of him., again your welcome , but I do recall a few men in your own land u.s.a that claimed to be prophets.]]]

Muslims ARE THE BEAST. The Islamic empire. There is no getting rid of the beast until the religion of Islam goes away. According to the bible, that isn't going to happen. Things are happening just as the bible predicted. Please see attached video.

[[[[How about your man in texas in the 90s ,, you David , you know the same guy the federal government moved in on him and got killed in that assault, or may be charles Mansin . And these are only two of many.]]]

No shortage of cults in the church. Look what happened particularly in the 19th century:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/traditional_framework.htm#cults

But Christians don't murder each other over their differences the way Sunnis and Shiites do.

[[[You said :
Why would I care what Satan's book says at the margins? I only need a single verse for it to prove itself to be the EXACT OPPOSITE of the 1400 year revelation of God to mankind through His Holy Word:

Surah 4:157 That THEY SAID (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them,... FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT:-

That single verse makes Islam the EXACT OPPOSITE of what ALL the prophets, apostles, and Jesus Christ taught. The OPPOSITE of the New Testament and new covenant through the blood of Jesus Christ. The OPPOSITE of God is Satan, my friend.
( so ungodly for a god , to fornicate with a woman) your own bible explains whats begotten means in another verse.]]]

That's only what begotten means to a 6th century IQ 60 desert dwelling illiterate, whose mini-mind you choose to adapt for yourself. Even Mohammed lamented that he was too dumb to learn how to read:

Consider the term begat:

1. To father; sire.
2. To cause to exist or occur; produce: Violence begets more violence.

If God didn't beget Jesus, then who caused Jesus to be? (on earth) How did Mary become pregnant with Jesus Christ?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=55.0

[[[[[Hebrew: chapter 11:17
17By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

John chapter : 3: 16-17-18
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.]]]

There are at least 10 verses that use the term begotten. This is how we know Mohammed was of Satan. It is the EXACT OPPOSITE of God's Word:

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=215.0

[[[How about this one:
John :chapter:20
16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So JESUS is ascending to god his god and their god , but yet you claim that he is god in the flesh , so he is sending him self back to him self !!!?????see you miss the terms used completely, sad ,]]]

Not at all sad. Indeed the verse points out that Jesus is not just another prophet the way that Muslims lie. His relationship with His Father is unique from others such as myself that call God our Father. His sonship is just as unique, thus the article THE when talking about Jesus as THE Son of God.

The Word of God was a 1400 year steady revelation of God to mankind. God as He manifest Himself, or revealed Himself, through Jesus Christ was a steady revealing through the Gospels, from beginning to end. Jesus was manifest in the flesh to provide the perfect sinless example for all mankind. What did He say after that ascension and return in the flesh?

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

But you ignore that and march blithely on your way following a 6th century desert dwelling illiterate reprobate that WAS and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE.

continued.
I will paste this conversation into the forum where we can quote each other and not get lost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4

[Peter]

I will hide your identity when I paste it there.

[[[How about this one :
These verses indicate to three things :
1- they called him the son of David.
2- they called him a prophet and not son of (god).
3- the third part is very interesting , seems like Jesus got made because the temple is used for trade and money making,( we wonder what he would do to the churches if he was alive today)]]]]

We know just what He would do. The concept of "church" as a building was unknown until Constantine. Prior to that, the "ecclesia" or "assembly of the called out" met in homes with every member functioning. There was no such thing as paid clergy, except as folks fed and clothed them along their way. Ecclesia planters were instructed to begin their missions with just the clothes on their backs. Constantine introduced the Greek sophist style pulpit-pew relationship too. Also switched the sabbath to Sunday.
Fortunately we aren't saved by things we do through the flesh but rather the condition of our hearts.

[[[Matthew: chapter 21
9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.
Ps 118:25,26 Matt 23:39 Mark 11:9

10 And when he was come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, Who is this?

11 And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.
12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,.

( there is many more in the bible, put lets just say , that you can bare them not at this time)]]]

Don't be silly, my friend. You don't even seem to know who our judge will be:
Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

[[[In regard to Satan, he is gods creation, he is mans enemy, see he cant be gods enemy, since he knows his god created him, read the bible again, Satan is not equal to God in any form or way, Satan is of a nation, before mankind called (Jin) and no its not the alcoholic drink that you know. Our book warrens us of Ebleis(Satan) in all shapes of forms.]]]

The only difference between Satanism and Islam is that Satanists are aware of what they are doing and Muslims have been deluded into worshiping Satan.

2Thes 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 [EVEN HIM],WHOSE COMING IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because THEY RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

[[[And reminds us not to follow his ways on earth, so yah you can say Satan wrote a book that calls people to renounce him .....]]]

EXACTLY. What better way to fool you! The Quran teaches that Allah is the greatest deceiver. But your Allah IS Satan.
Your preposterous sentence that I quoted above presumes that Satan is an honest guy!!!!!!

[[[[.......and fight him in every manner ,( two oxe morons).
Thats like me saying the bible is the book of Satan.]]]]

Not at all. The bible is the 1400 year revelation of God to mankind through ALL of the prophets and legions of witnesses. The God that Jews and Christians have followed all that time.
You have bet your eternal life he Quran, that is a 6th century book, recited by A SINGLE illiterate that is THE EXACT and PERFECT OPPOSITE of God's record.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=148.0

Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

Mohammedanism STANDS ALONE. Mohammed's "revelations" were unwitnessed. Even your own hadith says Mohammed writhed on the ground and foamed at the mouth. Who do you think met him in those unwitnessed encounters in that cave, to inspire him to produce a book that is the PERFECT OPPOSITE of the Word of God? The only anti-another-religion, religion:

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

continued

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4

[Peter]

[[[[ its the book of paul ,matthew, luke, and john.

You said:

That would be hilarious if it weren't so tragic. Why do you suppose it is that Sunnis and Shiites murder each other over their differences?
Why did the Irish and the English, kill each other( both Christians)]]]]

Because they engaged in UNCHRISTIAN behavior:

John 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Mark 12:31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. There is none other commandment greater than these.

But Sunnis and Shiites consider each other apostate so it naturally follows as Allah dictates:

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

[[[[Why did the crusaders kill the Christians of Jerusalem ( both Christians) ]]]

For the same reason that the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH killed Jews, Muslims AND Christians. They burned Christians at the stake. Is that the behavior described by Jesus?

John 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

If we are to know them by their fruit then what does that say about the Roman Catholic church?

What about the 1400 year Islamic slaughter of Jews?

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

They're just pleasing your phony god allah.

[[[....when they invaded , oh yah the Christians of Jerusalem were not European.
( can you say , political agendas) , by the way in Iran, Saudi Arabia , Lebnan, Jordan , united imarets, they both live door to door to each other ,, Iraq is and exception. And that is just too long to go into right now.]]]

The U.S. is a secular state for a half century or so. But the only folks I see dying in Iraq are Sunnis and Shiites murdering each other.

When Christian see injustice we come to the defense of those that are unable to defend themselves.
If you saw a guy knock your next door neighbor lady down with a 2x4 and then proceed to rape her, would you consider it simply a matter between the two of them?

[[[And to answer what you said :

Sunan Abu Dawood Vol3 Bk36 N0 4917
Then they brought me to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and he had sexual intercourse with me. I was nine years old.
Here is a picture of a 53 year old lecher splashing in the tub with his - already violated - 9 year old "wife":

She was 12 not nine, different stories give varies ages ,]]]

Your book, not mine.

[[[Lets talk about your Mary. ( the mother of Jesus(pbuh)sorry how old was she befor the holy ghost came to her then went upon her to impregnate her.some stories say 13 and some say 15, does this mean your holy ghost is a child molester?????]]]

There is a considerable difference between 9 and 13. In fact as weird as it seems, 13 is the legal age of consent in Hawaii, South Carolina and a few other states, with parental permission. It is obvious that parents WOULD NEVER give permission for a 53 year old lecher to marry their daughter. These consent laws are generally designed for when a young boy gets a young girl pregnant out of wedlock.

[[[ An eternal in life or age that would mean he is of no years to count in age , shame on you people ,, by the way if you studie the history in that era .....]]]

Don't give me that load of crap. It is going on TODAY in Islam. You aren't fooling anybody. Visit the RAWA website. view the attached video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-DA4WmfFWI

[Peter]

[[[[.....and those times and for all nations , you well find the marring a girl off once she gets her first minstrel, is very common thing. thats why no one contested that not even the Christians , and if you go into European history , youll find such practice was very common., who was prophet David(pbuh) married to (many) how old are were they.!!??how old was Sarah the wife of Abraham(pbuh) when she married him,, he was 12 when he started his ministry. And Sarah was his cuzin. And the bible says she was his sister : or more it says she is the daughter of my father, that what Abraham told the king of Egypt.( do I believe that Abraham (pbuh) married his sister daughter of his father ) no , that is not the like of a prophet to commit incises.]]]]

In this you demonstrate the reprobate nature of the male Muslim mind. Islam is ABOUT MEN at the expense of women. You see, in none of the above did you consider whether a 9 year old girl would choose to marry a 53 year old lecher. Your arguments were all geared toward justifying old lechers defiling of young girls. Nor can the Muslim male mind consider what it would be like to be one of 4 women competing for a husband's attentions.
This was all prophesied in scripture of Mohammed and Muslims that follow the false prophet.

Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Cares not what women desire, but only what his own desire is.

[[[In answer to this :
The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).
Seemed he liked to sniff it up a bit:
( I dont see the reference to a vagina sniffing action here) but not nice try thou.
Because the Muslims are forbidden to have intercourse with their wife while they have their period .

Muslims have asked her if a woman is on her period, is it forbidden to her husband to touch her.]]]

So then what's your "prophet" doing with his head there, and laying all over her?

[[[What she is saying you can touch (fondle, is not of the vagina , dont you fondle your wife body),
Meaning a husband can touch and love his wife if she is on her period, but he cant have sex with her , or touch her in the vaginal area. Im sorry but we are men, and I too is married , so dont give me any bulls**t , I bit you had more oral jobs than you can remember in your life.


Very strong hating comment :
No. It's far easier to use your own prophet against you. You have bet your eternity on a A SINGLE, 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic conquering, thief, false prophet reprobate. A an, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.

We bet our eternity on the holy Quran and Allah commandment, you bet your whole eternity on a man Jesus(pbuh), that god came down or sent his only begotten son to day for humans that he created to reward heaven to the good dowers , and died for your sins, .....]]]

Let me pause here and ask you. Do you believe that the first drop of blood shed by a Muslim so-called "martyr" shed, provides propitiation for the sins of 70 of his nearest and dearest friends and relatives?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-DA4WmfFWI

[Peter]

[[[Sorry it took me a while to answer you back on your question: which was :

Let me pause here and ask you. Do you believe, as some Muslims do, that the first drop of blood shed by a Muslim so-called "martyr", provides propitiation for the sins of 70 of his nearest and dearest friends and relatives?"]]]


Sorry for my delay too. I was out of town. It would be soooo much easier if we moved to the forum. This is getting very long and involved and will be increasingly easy to loose track of. Will you move there with me?
I have a lot of our chat pasted there, and I can go back and pick up where I left off. I am waaay behind in answering your PMs.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=324.0


[[[[win somebody's favor: to appease or conciliate somebody or something
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

I dont know how the words ( appease or conciliate ) really comes into play, the Arabic word for what your describing is ? which really means, to request forgiveness ,or in English it would be :
intercede 1. plead for somebody: to plead with somebody in authority on behalf of somebody else, especially somebody who is to be punished for something
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.


but to ask forgiveness for some , doesnt not mean that it is answered , like this verse says :
Allah! there is no Allah but He?the living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) Before or After or Behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. For He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory). (255)

As this verse indicates :
And spend of your substance in the cause of Allah, and make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction; but do good; for Allah loveth those who do good. (195)

So to plead on behalf of someone , with Allah permission , shouldnt be that strange.
If you mean by martyr, some who died in the cause of his faith battling , his enemies , yes I do believe that, if Allah ( God ) permits him to plead for some people,...]]]


This is what I was asking about, not about suicide bombing.

It seems strange to me that you would believe an average Joe could do this, but can't for a moment imagine that a good and loving God could make a plan for salvation of all mankind through Jesus Christ who you agree was conceived by a virgin by the will of God.

The role you describe is just what Jesus was sent for.

1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.

1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.


[[[ ...now on the other hand since we dont know really if the person pleaded for, is some one of good deeds or bad deeds, then the result would be you can plead , that dont mean they well be forgiving, thus that forgiveness is giving by god of his own well not any ones else.
And the book of sin is very , very big , so I can he plead for some one to be forgiving yes , is that some one well be forgiving , only Allah knows , that would be his to do.

But : if you are referring to a man that committed a suicide attack on civilians, well no I dont believe in that , because it stands against the concept of martyrs, since suicide and/or pre determined self killing is against the faith, to be killed fighting your enemy is completely deferent than that, to kill and be killed in battle ,
But a martyr applies on a lot of situations, you can be preaching and killed youre a martyr, you could be saving a life from harm or death and die in the process then youre a martyr, you could be defending your home from a thiefs invasion, then youre a martyr, and all these things come in deferent ranks, only Allah ( God) knows what your intentions are and what you were thinking before getting killed to judge you justly .]]]


Isn't it interesting that innocent Christians are martyred at the hands of Muslims, but not the other way around?

In Indonesia 3 teenage girls were beheaded on their way to their Christian school and their heads left on the steps of a Church.  The note left behind reads:  "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/great_tribulation.htm


[[[The prophet peace be upon him have made sure many times ( to declare that in the time of war or battle , no child, woman, elder, unarmed man, shall be killed, no man that shall surrender shall be killed ( no prisoners shall be killed after being captive ), and he goes on about other things , no trees shall be cut down unless for the absolute necessity, no water well shall be destroyed or contaminated no exceptions, and no animal shall be killed, unless to defend your self ( as like a lion) , or to eat from its meat ( as in cows , chicken, etc) and no man shall take his life , for your life is not yours to take, it belongs to Allah that have given it to you, and he who shall take his or her own life , shall take his seat in the fire of hell.

See what you dont understand that, yes some people use young and oppressed youth for such acts, but how can you reflect that on the faith when the faith is clear, and prevents it,...]]]


I do understand this. The perversion is rooted in the Quran and hadith. Once a young Muslim realizes he has committed so much sin that there is likely no redemption, he is then susceptible to being brainwashed into believing that if he blows himself up in a bus load of Jewish school children will carry him straight to heaven, and virgins and wine, without Mohammed's required pass by/through hell that you are expecting for yourself.


[[[In so many words , if you believe that all these young men in the united states have died for their country as heroes, why wouldnt a martyr that dies for his faith and to sustain it be a hero as well , if the people that die for the cause of Jesus ( Christianity ) in your belief, well! they have all their sins forgiving and well enter heaven, whats a plea to god for that might and might not be accepted on behalf of some.]]]


But Islam has it perfectly backwards. Your enemy is non-Muslims. Take the Islamic First Jihad for example. Bloody imperialistic conquest and murder. Rape pillage and plunder. They accumulated so much stolen property that it inhibited their escape from Charles Martel in Tours France.

Muslims believe that if a Muslim soldier died at the hand of someone trying to defend their families and property from Islamic conquest and murder, that he would go to heaven.
But he would actually be on the fast track to hell.


[[[As the your bible says, he forgives whom he chooses to , and condemns whom he chooses to .]]]


Our salvation is up to us. We have been given free will to choose. You have chosen the OPPOSITE of the Word of God.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_the_opposite.htm

Jesus will be our judge:

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto THE SON:

[Peter]

Continuation of PM of 2nd panel above.

Ch continued:

Very strong hating comment :
No. It's far easier to use your own prophet against you. You have bet your eternity on a A SINGLE, 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic conquering, thief, false prophet reprobate. A an, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.

We bet our eternity on the holy Quran and Allah commandment, you bet your whole eternity on a man Jesus(pbuh), that god came down or sent his only begotten son to day for humans that he created to reward heaven to the good dowers , and died for your sins, that alone , takes the fact of judgment out period, no point in living, your god might as well end life and send every one of you to heaven and us to hell !!!!
Follow your book.
Matthew :chapter: 19

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Ex 20:13-16 Dt 5:17-20

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Ex 20:12 Lev 19:18 Deut 5:16 Matt 5:43 Matt 22:39 Mark 12:31 Rom 13:9 Gal 5:14 Jam 2:8

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to thpoor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Concubines are used in Christianity , in Islam a lover of a man with out mirage is adultery a sin
, prophet ( pbuh) had no concubine. But it is you that claim that many past prophets in your book had concubines .

While pagans and Christians , and jew were practicing slavery in the land, the prophet for bit it , a slave is a person , that is owned by some one, and is forced to work for that some one against his or her will , with out being paid too. Mohammad(pbuh) have declared that the only slavery is to Allah ( god ) and no man shall in slave another as in the case of the first black muslim . But from the pagans when he refused to worship any thing but Allah ( his name was Belal ) , and the prophet declared that all humans were born free, no slave to no man. So tell me who was the prophets (pbuh) slaves again.

And this thief you speak of ruled a vast land , and yet he had nothing of money land or wealth. ( see to accuse some one of being a thief , he should have something to show that he stole, , and a wealth that he gathered , kind of like the thiefs in our present time, no need to mention many, but how about the ministers that preach Christianity they walk in with no money and they walk out with a shit load ,, only some , im not saying all .. But yet people follow them still , they claim to perform miracles , and yet they cant.
If he is such a false prophet then you have 1.7 billion people and growing, and your own bible talks about
it : let me share with you : old testament:

Deuteronomy:chapter:18
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Acts 3:22
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
Acts 3:23

New testament:
John:chapter:16

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Isaiah: chapter 12:
11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

You can read it and understand it in any way you like, if you claim the holy ghost is the one they speak of , well the holy ghost is supposed and mentioned that it was with them at the time of Jesus(pbun). So he is not talking about that, and we are all spirits, we are a spirit when were born and when we die.
And the Muslims are the only ones that glorify Jesus ( pbuh) , and if you read the Quran ( our Quran and misquoted verse that you find here and there , you find that in the holy book. ) as we glorify all the prophet.

Some of you worship Mary , but yet she is barley mentioned in the bible, Jesus in the bible speaks to Mary (his mother ) and calls her woman , not one mention of him calling her mother or my mother ,, what a shame is that how some one that you worship talks to his mother.( just to let you know I dont believe that Isa, Yahoua, Jesus (pbuh) would talk to his mother like that ,, its not a way of a messenger of Allah (god) .

And in regard to that stupid video that you sent about Mohammad (pbuh) being a coward, I have seen it before , do you know what is the address to this organization .www.inthenameofAllah.org.. now since Muslims are the only ones that use that , why would a bunch of Arab Christians use that let me see deception, sad , and low way ,,,, and we should trust you ,,,,ha
By the way since I have seen this video, and all the misquotations and the many false facts that is based falsely on who ever can write a book. I did send a message back to the maker . With all the false facts that they claimed , his answer was : oh you Muslims just want to say something all the time, ,,,,,,,,weird they couldnt stand up for their claims with a Muslims that responded back at them with the proof,, and this is not something new it happens all the time, and once you put them in the spot light and reveal their lies ,, they disappear . Ohh yah they are against public debates with known Muslim scholars , because they say they have nothing to prove. Interesting concept

[Peter]

ch wrote:

This is what you said :

1. Islamic campaign against nonbelievers: a campaign waged by Muslims in defense of the Islamic faith against people, organizations, or countries regarded as hostile to Islam
2. relentless campaign: a relentless campaign against somebody or something
In regard to a holy war in Arabic its ( harbun mukadasa ) just in case if thats what your implying.

(The pinnacle of worship in Islam is jihad.)
There is nothing wrong with striving in something, every thing we do is a jihad, responding back to you is a jihad.
Going to work to earn money and feed my family is jihad. So in other words jihad covers a lot of things.


The second Jihad, with over 12,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world, just since 9-11, is the image of the First Jihad.
The image of the 152 years of rape, pillage, plunder of that First Islamic jihad kingdom beast.

Now am the kind of person who wont stand for whats wrong ,
1-9/11 - was not a jihad, on the twin tower( that was a tragedy that shouldnt have happened), but it is a jihad on the pentagon ( as most would see it ).

2- it seems you conveniently forget who is Al Alqaida , and what is their relationship with the united states government, if you look into it , you well find that the u.s has declared war on them before 9/11, by launching separate attacks on their basis and camps, so we do know who started this whole thing.
3- bin ladin knows that he can not win with a country with such a vast military power , not face to face any ways , so he drags you into his part of the world, that lunatic, wants to bleed you financially, and have you close by so he can get to you, since he doesnt own a fleet of plans and ships,,,, and our stupid people in charge gave him what he wanted, and what he planed is happening , the resentment in the Islamic world has been growing towards the united states since then, and you can not win this war any more, you have killed too many people, dismayed so much, destroyed so many lives in the way, that land is too big for you to control, you might have managed to help install governments that are loyal to you , but see the people are not loyal to you. If you dont win the people you dont win the reign.
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Hadith: Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh servant of Allah, oh Muslim, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!

You know your kind is funny to me, most of the Jew in that area have reverted to Islam in the time of the prophet, some didnt accept him , for one reason ( he was not Jewish) because they had a hard time accepting that the last prophet they were expecting was not of their own, to back that up lets see what their book says about that :

Genesis :17

15 And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be.

16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.

17 Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?

18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!

19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation

25 And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.

Unlike what claimed by some , your own book establishes that Ishmael is first born.
And that he well have a great nation. ( your book)

And: from the Jewish testament or holy books:
( read Habakkuk chapter :3 : 1-16,,, and by the way Paran is what is known today as Makah)
And just to point out when the god of Israel is mentioned ( Jacob was Israel )

Isaiah :chapter 21:
Look up children of kedar and well know who kedar is ,, the same ones that went into battle against the prophet, after they escaped their swords .again( your book) and you would find that info in the story of battle of Badr (624.a.d)

13 The burden upon Arabia. In the forest in Arabia shall ye lodge, O ye travelling companies of Dedanim.
14 The inhabitants of the land of Tema brought water to him that was thirsty, they prevented with their bread him that fled.
15 For they fled from the swords, from the drawn sword, and from the bent bow, and from the grievousness of war.
6 For thus hath the LORD said unto me, Within a year, according to the years of an hireling, and all the glory of Kedar shall fail:
17 And the residue of the number of archers, the mighty men of the children of Kedar,shall be diminished: for the LORD God of Israel hath spoken



And I dont see what this quotation supposed to mean.:

Surah 9.30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christ...

And here is the complete verse :
. (29) And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they! (30) They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One God. There is no god save Him. Be He glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)

( oh I get it it says the messiah is not a god and there is only one god ) I would think this is what you base all of Christianity on , with out it , there is nothing .

And I have seen your video about Islamic hatred to Jews :

Using the Sudan as an example.: forgetting sierra lion,( Christian), Ethiopia (Christian) , Liberia (Christian), and there is a lot of other parts in the world , so please drop the fake saint hood, explain your saint hood the poor people of Albania , no power, no weapons , not allowed to go to even schools , slaughtered by Christian Serbs, I know that the truth hurts , but if your too blind to see what the Christian nations are doing,
And still insist on doing what you do ,, then for sure you well wake up the beast again., oh yah lets not forget the Palestinian people backed up by a very strong nation , that have all that financial and military might attacking the poor defenseless Jews , that are imprisoned , and kicked out of there homes, and locked in barbed wire and walls to suffocate them , yah the Palestinians are the assailants, who is the idiot that said you can fight and defend your home!!!!? If the Israelis want to take a land by force , then they should know that the owners would want it back, try to take whats mine and see what I would do.

The Saudis did not banned slavery to 1968 you said : even if that was true which I dont know about, I have never ever heard from my Saudi friends that they were enslaved, you tell me how did all the slaves get to America, wasnt not Christians ,( hard core I may add ). Slavery was banned by the holy Quran and by the prophet him self , but if your term is servant which would be more accurate , that means they have a job that they get paid for , or in modern term ( employed ). Slavery was banned by Islam before America was discovered . But thank for trying to post that in a video, see to get a Muslims as to you might be speaking the truth you have to stick to the truth.

What does Zionism have to do with the terror attacks:
Honestly, it shouldnt , but since Zionism is a political Israeli movement, and the political Israeli influence is very strong in the states, I guess you can associate that with it . Because the Jews that follow the book of Moses are strongly against the Zionist movement, and I dont know if you read there scriptures they claim that the land between the river in Egypt to the great river of forat is theirs. I forgot which book it was but am sure you have come across of it .

Palestine had no people living in it ,as you say it was decimated by 1200 years of rule of Islam: (in your video):
I cant believe that I have to answer this one. How can answer this one , if its true that the population was what you have claimed , how do you explain the 3 million refugees of Palestinians in 1948, and the 1 ½ million living in Gaza, today, but yet the Jews have been there for so long , and yet with all the moving of Jews from all over the world ,, yet there only at 2 ½ million give or take.
And yes the Muslim well leave their third holy place decimated, And pale stain was a ruins until the Jews came and built it ( because when the Jews attacked the Palestinians there were shooting at sand, and rocks,) sad the stuff you post ,,, very weak I might add .

And in regard to Ahmad Deddaat, I dont know if you were following what he was saying , you claim that islam is an evil faith because of what people do in the name of islam , so Deddaat pointing out that Hitler was an Arian Christian( form of catholic) and yet he did what he did , Hitler said he is a Christian in his speeches ( by the way ) , but your hypocrisy is astonishing , because he was a murderer he cant be a Christian, because our bible tells us that the commandments tells us that we cant kill innocent people,

I wish you could have told that to the pop that gathered the crusades in franc to tell them the Jesus demands them to take Jerusalem at any cost , 100,000 people perished, 70 thousand Muslims, and 30 thousand Christians killed on the hands of the Christians ( crusaders ) you know why because they considered them animals and beneath them , they are not European Christians ,,,, sad,,
Ohh my bible says you cant be a man of faith if you dont follow the commandments, if you followed the commandments you would not have any problem with the Muslims, I assure you, I agree to one thing , if your going to claim a faith for your self , act upon it , after all it is what you do not what you say only.
The same as Salman rushdie claims to be a Muslim, but yet he is a confessed atheist , ( an oxy moron).


You want a real bible verse ill give you one to answer that thou shalt love his enemy:
I believe I sent a quick verse from your bible that says I come not for peace , but with the sword,,,,etc
Jesus was talking . But yes I know you see only what you want to see,,, my friend with the things your posting, I wish deddaat was alive may allah rest his sould and have mercy on him , so you can go in public debate with him to show the world how you exposed the will established scholar, but yet I well look up this claim of yours Im pretty sure , that you got it wrong since so far , many things you get very wrong , really find better sources.

And in regard to the mufti of pal stain, spreading hatred against the Jew, ( should you be the mufti of America ), since I see nothing but hate towards the Islamic faith, let see its not the same !!!?

And I like when you use the term radical Muslim party this and radical Muslim party that,,, did you look up what radical means: let me help :
. 1. basic: relating to or affecting the basic nature or most important features of something
a radical difference between the two
2. pervasive: far-reaching, searching, or thoroughgoing
a radical reorganization of the company
3. favoring major changes: favoring or making economic, political, or social changes of a sweeping or extreme nature
4. botany growing from root: growing from a root of a plant or from the base of a stem .

I think the term applies to , Hammas , and kadema the ruling party of Israel , and if you dont see it to what its really is , I think you would find it very hard to explain the Israeli government ways , in confiscating land and property under the threat of the gun , and all other things that I have mentioned in the beginning.

In response to genesis 17:
I think you should have read the rest of it :



17 Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?

18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!

19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

22 And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.

23 And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.

24 And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.
25And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.
And just to let you know Ishmael(pbuh) sons are in your bible, trace it to the prophet mohammad, (pbuh). Anti semantic , how if Semitism is attributed to Abraham(pbuh).
I agree that the hate is there but there is a lot more political event that took place to make that hate reach this point. If you dont want to be hated you need to stop hating first.

[Peter]

ch wrote:


IN THE NAME OF ALLAH MOST FORGIVING, MOST MERCIFUL



http://www.universalunity.org/6.html
I think this is the link you have sent me.,,


In regard to the link that you sent me, Im not that well knowledgeable geometrics, so that being said , I dont think I would have an answer right away, but from looking at the site , I did find that who ever made it is a follower it would seem to rashad khalif, never the less , just by first glance, one of the calculations suggested that the name of Allah was mentioned X number of times , that was used in the calculations, never the less the number is of by 7 when I counted it my self ,, and this is not an answer to any thing you have posted just a comment, like I said something like this would take some time for me to go through ,,
Since it wouldnt be fair for me or you for me to give you false answers.

To make sure that there math is right you have to verify the numbers. So this well be something to get back to you on some time later.

You said :

I understand your average Muslim does not believe any kind of gem atria. But you have to ask yourself, out of all the numbers their gem atria could have pulled out of the hat, what are the odds it would be 666?

Im saying that in the quick glance at the site you gave me , I did see miss counting in two that I have checked ,, if the number is miscounted then the math is wrong, plus I do believe in the science of gem atria , but my question would be how hard is it to manipulate, numbers ,,, other think I noticed is taking a word , and counting it , well the one they have on that site is ?? and claiming its the same word counted with the word well those two words do not mean the same thing , the guys on the web site used it to complete the number they needed , and all that just by quick glance ,, so I think it would be fair for me to look deeper into that ,, because I as a Muslim do no appreciate
Other Muslims,,( that follow some one else beside the prophet of Islam ) .

You said :
Apparently some didn't, and resolved it typical Muslims fashion. Stabeed, what was it, 26 times and soaked in zylol?

Funny how one of his own followers did that to him.


Any ways he did relate most if not all of his findings on his translations,, well is seems all other translations ,,, defer from his ,,, example: Quran, chapter 7
Based on Dr. Mohsin translations ,, I would post all of them but I think it would be too long ,, you can always check it your self.

Al-Araf
And I respite them; certainly My Plan is strong. (183) Do they not reflect? There is no madness in their companion (Muhammad SAW). He is but a plain warner. (184) Do they not look in the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all things that Allâh has created, and that it may be that the end of their lives is near. In what message after this will they then believe? (185) Whomsoever


YUSUF ALI 7:185]"...(Do they not see) that it may well be that their terms is nigh drawing to an end? In what MESSAGE after this will they then believe?"
Arabic 7:185] Fabiayyee HADITHim ba'dahoo yu'minoon.

RASHAD 7:185] "...Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which HADITH, beside this, do they believe in?"

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You said :

Muslims ARE THE BEAST. The Islamic empire. There is no getting rid of the beast until the religion of Islam goes away. According to the bible, that isn't going to happen. Things are happening just as the bible predicted. Please see attached video.

Well Im glad that you see it that way, but I got bad news for you the earth shall not parish untile the name of Allah ( god ) in no more used ,, this is one of the signs,,, as in you story of prophet (Lut).
Why his people perished.

But keep in mind the effect of the Romans and Greeks on the bible ,, and how the Muslim, have started of and spread very quickly , to defeat the Romans if they see us as beast so be it , we are when it comes to defending our faith , family and self.

And yes we have Cults as well , as much as you do ,,( well not really as much ) but there is a good number , like the cult of rashads father , he too used to claim to be a messenger of god ,, the apple doesnt fall far from the tree ..
In other parts of the world America is known to be the beast ,, so term I guess is used when ever its needed .

You said :
That's only what begotten means to a 6th century IQ 60 desert dwelling illiterate, whose mini-mind you choose to adapt for yourself. Even Mohammed lamented that he was too dumb to learn how to read:

Although its not in Muslim nature to call Jesus (pbuh) names ,, as you would show .
So I see now you want to change what begotten means , and by the way what does Mohammad (pbuh) have to do with your word in your bible , your Dictionary that means (born), I know what begat means , by you dictionary :
1. cause: to be the cause of something
2. father: to be the father of a child (archaic)
( are you saying god can only be on earth if he born??, by a woman in her womb , there for 9 months
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

This you saying that :
If God didn't beget Jesus, then who caused Jesus to be? (on earth) How did Mary become pregnant with Jesus Christ?
Ill tell you what we believe : ( bare in mind this only a translation to what its said , and the Quran in the Arabic ,, is much more beautiful) :



(34) Behold! a woman of Imran said: "O my Lord! I do dedicate into Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service so accept this of me! for Thou hearest and knowest all things." (35) When she was delivered she said: "O my Lord! behold! I am delivered of a female child!" And Allah knew best what she brought forth, "And is not the male like the female. I have named her Mary and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected." (36) Right graciously did her Lord accept her: He made her grow in purity and beauty; to the care of Zakariya was she assigned. Every time that he entered (her) chamber to see her, he found her supplied with sustenance. He said: "O Mary! whence (comes) this to you?" She said: "From Allah: for Allah provides sustenance to whom He pleases, without measure." (37) There did Zakariya pray to his Lord saying: "O my Lord! Grant unto me from Thee a progeny that is pure; for Thou art He that heareth prayer!" (38) While he was standing in prayer in the chamber, the angels called unto him: "Allah doth give thee glad tidings of Yahya, witnessing the truth of a Word from Allah and (be besides) noble, chaste, and a Prophet,?of the (goodly) company of the righteous." (39) He said: "O my Lord! how shall I have a son, seeing I am very old, and my wife is barren?" "Thus" was the answer "Doth Allah accomplish what He willeth." (40) He said: "O my Lord! Give me a sign!" "Thy Sign" was the answer "shall be that thou shalt speak to no man for three days but with signals. Then celebrate the praises of thy Lord again and again and glorify Him in the evening and in the morning." (41) Behold! The angels said: "O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee and purified thee;?chosen thee above the women of all nations. (42) "O Mary! worship thy Lord devoutly; prostrate thyself, and bow down (in prayer) with those who bow down." (43) This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Prophet!) by inspiration; thou wast not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary; nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point). (44) Behold! the angels said "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah. (45) "He shall speak to the people in childhood And in maturity and he shall be (of the company) of the righteous." (46) She said: "O my Lord! how shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth; when He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it `Be', and it is! (47) "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel. (48) "And (appoint him) an Messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay as it were the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave; and I heal those born blind, and the lepers and I quicken the dead by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe. (49) "(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me, and to make lawful to you part of what was (before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah and obey me. (50) "It is Allah who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a way that is straight." (51) When Jesus found unbelief on their part, he said: "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the Disciples: "We are Allah's helpers we believe in Allah and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims. (52) "Our Lord! we believe in what thou hast revealed, and we follow the Messenger; then write us down among those who bear witness." (53) And (then unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah. (54) Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject Faith, to the Day of Resurrection; then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute. (55) "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter nor will they have anyone to help. (56) "As to those who believe, and work righteousness Allah, will pay them (in full) their reward; but Allah loveth not those who do wrong. (57) "This is what We rehearse unto thee of the Signs and the Message of Wisdom." (58) This similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam: He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be" and he was. (59) The Truth (comes) from thy Lord alone; so be not of those who doubt. (60)

These versus talk about Miriam .( or marry) . This is part of what we know , where is more detailed mention of her and her son, and since you are willing to speak of such foul language about prophet Mohammad ( pbuh) ,


You said :
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

But you ignore that and march blithely on your way following a 6th century desert dwelling illiterate reprobate that WAS and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE.


Ohh you mean the opposite in regard to worshiping Jesus,,?? Im sorry so the Quran tells you worship no one but god , and you tell me its wrong because it doesnt tell me to worship Jesus !!! So we say worship the only creator ,, and you tell me associate another with him??? Im sorry if I was worshiping Krishna , or Myra, or baal , I might had my doubts , but your saying your salvation is only through Jesus (pbuh) , so I cant go to heaven if I only worship an all mighty powerful being Yah I can see that already , how come you havent worshiped my begotten son, how dare you worship me with no equal , no partners and hold me in a level with no human born can be ,, send him to hell !!! Are for real ,, dont you know you need no short cut to worship god , (messengers are only to deliver a massage ) so you want me to go back into the dark ages of worshiping idols ,, if you look up idol worshiping you well be amazed how that came to be in the past .,, I tell you what Im going to send a link so you can pull out as many satanic verses as you need, look into it and see for your self
( and I only sending you this is because thats what I am doing ,, reading your bible )

http://www.quranexplorer.com/Quran/Default.aspx

You can choose what ever you want to believe, I dont really care for that , whats between you and god is between you and god , but I do like common sense ,
We have one book, one author , one man that was revealed to , m any things in the Quran matches to all the other prophet call to worship one god , your book is the only one that defers from that call, disregarding the pattern of the stories ,, which prophet it was ,
Of the known prophets not the ones that are disputed about .. Just one , that tells worship another than that almighty all powerful unseen god just one, ( besides your bible) ,,,,

[Peter]

ch wrote

IN THE NAME OF ALLAH , MOST FORGIVNIG , MOST MERCIFUL


This a response to your 02-21-2009 e-mail, and I am so glad that your quoting form both new and old testament, this way you cant say well I only follow the new one when it suites you . I KNOW THE RESPONSE IS LONG , BUT BARE WITH IT ,

This what you have said :

In this you demonstrate the reprobate nature of the male Muslim mind. Islam is ABOUT MEN at the expense of women. You see, in none of the above did you consider whether a 9 year old girl would choose to marry a 53 year old lecher. Your arguments were all geared toward justifying old lechers defiling of young girls. Nor can the Muslim male mind consider what it would be like to be one of 4 women competing for a husband's attentions.

This was all prophesied in scripture of Mohammed and Muslims that follow the false prophet.

Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Cares not what women desire, but only what his own desire is.

My response is : to this part : as follows .
1-First of all I did explain things based on time period,
2- I dont see answer to my question : regarding to age .
a- how old was marry , mother of Jesus ?
b- how old was Sarai ( Sarah ) ?
c-the wives of king David , or his son Solomon?
d- the average age of marriage in the med evil times in Europe?
e- for that matter in that whole area ?
And please lets stick to the period of time this time and treat it like it just happened 20 years ago. As you always do , compare it with your standards of todays time .!!

In regard to :

Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

I hope you read the whole thing , its about the fake messiah, and the description doesnt not match prophet Mohammad ( pbuh) , but I dont blame you , you like to watch videos not research his history .
?? Who is the god of his father , The god of Mohammads father was LAT and HUBAL stones .idols
As I would like to add the god of Abrahams father was an idol as well by the name EZRA, which his father used to make these idols , that Abraham refused to worship , so I dont see the whole point of that verse , since you didnt read the whole thing , and just want to take a verse out and say this applies to Mohammad .
Please like you said ( logic ) lets try to stick to that.

In regard to this hadith :
(While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).)
This what you said:
So then what's your "prophet" doing with his head there, and laying all over her?
Can you read English Wash his head ?? Hello .. Maybe you should read it in Arabic , to understand what washing his head on his shoulders ,



You said :

Let me pause here and ask you. Do you believe that the first drop of blood shed by a Muslim so-called "martyr" shed, provides propitiation for the sins of 70 of his nearest and dearest friends and relatives?

And I dont really think we should go into this matter ,, I think it would be too complicated for you to understand , and since your definition of martyr might twisted as usual.
For the sins NO, and there is no friends in that whole thing , you mean relatives,
Every one is judged alone for his/her sins and good deeds in life .
And Allah( god ) forgives who he wills and punishes who he wills , he has might over me I have no might over him,

And again you send the same video about some guy in Afghanistan , that married a young girl ,, I think your finding it really hard to understand that we are talking about 1400 years where men didnt even go to school , and learned how to hunt , sword fight since the age of 7 ,, and women learned how to cook , and wool,
When men were men , and women were women ,
Not like in our days , kids tell the day they day ,

Would you like me to send you what the Christian redneck videos in our time ,, showing you how incest, and sex affairs and how old it starts between them ,, or even better Christian people on jerry Springer,
Or maybe send the age marriage statistics in the last 300 years ,,, maybe you would like to see the ages your self . Just say the word ,, since it freaking long I wont send it until you request it ,
And dont avoid answering the questions I asked on top.

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Moving on this a response to your e-mail on 02-25-2009

You said:
The interesting thing to note here is that you (a Muhammadan) claims to understand the concept of logic. This I believe to be a blatant lie, but lets put you to the test and see if you can be the very first Muhammadan to prove me wrong?

Now, I will lay out a logical process, to make it easy for you or anyone to point out any internal contradictions or logical fallacies.

First, here are my assumptions:
1. A true God is benevolent, and wants people to live together peacefully.
2. A true all knowing God would have some ability to predict the future, or at least would have more intelligence than the average human.
3. Satan is generally characterized as being malevolent and deceitful, and having many names. I'll assume that to be true.

Response to this is :
1- yes for this one ,
2- no , god is all knowing , all abilities are his , and he doesnt predict , he knows the future , and have some ability to predict .
3- one name to Satan, but is known with other names to each faith . If you say it in any language you know its one man you mean .

You said again :

In addition, I presume the following are your assumptions, so we'll take those and see where they lead:
4. Allah is a deity.
5. The Qur'an is the perfect, unaltered word of Allah.
6. The Qur'an is intended to be a guide to all people of all time.

Now, for the logical argument:
Allah authored the Qur'an to be a guide for us humans. He included verses such as "Kill disbelievers wherever you find them" (2:191), "War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not" (2:216), "Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars" (4:74), and "Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway." (9:73) etc etc etc This is just a small sampling and I have not included the Hadiths.

Weird you people are , never read the context but pick lines out :
First let me fix what you wrote :
1- (189) And fight in the Way of Allâh[] those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihâd, but it was supplemented by another (V.9:36)]. (190) And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah[] is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-Al-Harâm (the sanctuary at Makkah),[] unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. (191) But if they cease, then Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
( please like we said stay with the context , I have sent you a link to help you look it up your self and stop coping what ever you find , where some one has posted it half ass .
1-This have already happened 1400 years ago,
2- I know you read English , so whats the problem if god is telling the Muslims ( that believe and worship him) you have the right to defend your self if your attacked ??
And to kill the idol worshipers if they attack you ,, Im sorry you do live in the united states ,, by your logic ( the united states should not respond to any attackers ).
And if they cease from that aggression and make peace then take that peace, and if they break that peace again ,, then you should destroy them those who aggress against you .
What do you do when someone attacks you , I dont need an answer it was a rhetorical question .





The 2nd verse : this what you have sent ,, ( and you wonder why I keep saying Christians change things to their likings ):
), "War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like
it or not"

Here is the actual verse :

Fighting is prescribed for you and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth and ye know not. (216)

They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offence); but graver is it in the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members. Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be Companions of the Fire and will abide therein. (217)

What was this verse for : the prophet made peace with Quraish ( the pagans ) to allow the Muslims, to come the year after to do pilgrimage , since the Muslims are forbidden from fighting in that forbidden month some of the Muslims were worried about the pagans attacking them while they worship, so the green light was giving to them to fight back if their attacked , for surly fighting a man from the worship of god is a mightier sin than death in the eyes of the creator ,, every thing start with him and every thing ends to him.

Lets see the other missing quotes you posted :
"Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars" (4:74)
I dont really know where are you getting you crappie miss texts from , I would check on that
So far you only have proven to me youre a master in posting misquotes .
In your opinion , do those two look the same and mean the same ?

Chapter 4: 74-75
Let those fight in the cause of?Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,? whether he is slain or gets victory, soon shall We give him a reward of great (value). (74)

And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?? men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from Thee one who will protect; and raise for us from Thee one who will help!"(75)

Thank Allah , this well be the last misquotation I have to deal with :
You posted :

and "Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway." (9:73)


Here is the real verse :
Chapter 9: 73
O Prophet! strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell? an evil refuge indeed. (73)

First of all . So whats the problem with the pagans going to hell , or the prophet striving against them ,, Im sorry mosses drowned a whole army, by the permission of Allah,
David killed Joliet by the permission of Allah, and Solomon concord towns and armies by the permission of Allah??? Just a few examples ,,,

Now we are done with that part lets see what your bible says , old and new testament about none believers:

Deut 32: 39-40:
39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.

Mathew : chapter 10: ( Jesus talking )
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Mic 7:6 Mark 13:12
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Mic 7:6

If you would like me to send you every verse in the bible that calls for violence , with out even giving the option of peace , imagine that , just let me know since they wont fit in this e-mail , it would be very long one . So I dont understand why are you so shocked that god tells his messenger to fight against the people that worship other than him , and always were trying to harm the Muslim,

This is again what you said:
Verses such as the ones given above have been used throughout the centuries to justify massive violence against non-believers. Whether or not Allah intended the massive violence that has ensued, any intelligent/Omniscient deity (or even a human of average intelligence) could easily have predicted that these verses would be used to justify violence. So why did Allah put those verses in the Qur'an in this manner? If Allah had wished to prevent all that bloodshed, he could easily have left those verses (and others like them) out of the Qur'an. If all of my assumptions are true, the inescapable conclusion is that Allah is a malevolent being, who wishes to instigate violence; or, in shorthand, Allah = Satan.

The book is clear about the rules of war with any one that attacks the Muslims, breaks peace treaties, and try to harm them ,, you ask why ,,, so we wont have a freaking pop changing any thing he wants when he sees fit , so the likes of bin laden, and some others like him using the faith of the people to complete their political agendas , such as you dear moron j. w bush , so that any Muslim can open his holy book and know what he can and can not do , where we dont need a freaking priest to fill our heads with filth and hatred so we would know when some cleric is trying to manipulate the faith to serve his personal , reasons .
So we can answer back to whom ever from any other faith that wishes to change , and miss quote verses , the Quran has laws both the new and the old testament combined , do not have and are not clear about .

This what you said :
I believe that Allah = Figment of Muhammad's Imagination. So for me, the most likely assumption to throw out is number 4 above. What about you?

My replay with no disrespect :
If it is as you say , which ( logic ) clearly doesnt apply to that statement , thats like saying god as you know it , the creator of the world is of your Christian, imagination, there is only one god .

And I would like to educate you on the word Allah : you say Jesus spoke Aramaic , well dont be shocked to know what Jesus called god .
Go to this link , and no its not a Muslim link its Aramaic to English , type the word god and see what you get, it seems Jesus worshiped the same Allah as we do and Abraham , mosses, Noah, Solomon , and of course Jesus . Just click here ,,
Aramaic Lexicon and Concordance


You said this in the end :
As I have presented a logical argument, my only request is that you reply in the same vein. If you see any internal inconsistency or logical fallacy, by all means, point it out, but please BE SPECIFIC.
Thanks in advance for your logical reply.

I think you presented verses taking out context , your understanding to the Islamic faith by far is not even close, the reason I say that is because you waste more of your time trying to find false hood in it than to look into it first . I and others like me are very happy with all the attacks by some , if any thing because of these attacks people have went out there looking for things about Islam to be shocked with what they have found , nothing that relates to the multiple accusations that some of church people have thrown , like I said the more attack we have the more people well know Islam , many have went from enemies of it to embracing it , I have a friend an Armenian Christian, she said to come to the united states , she told the embassy that she was always in danger in Jordan , and many threats of harming her , I said wow were you , she said no, I asked why would do that , she said some friends of mine told me thats how they got to immigrate without the hassle, my point is people might do stupid things and lie , but there is nothing dumber than attacking something we think we know , to find out we know nothing , and were mislead by our hatred or trying to prove we are right and they are wrong

You might not believe in prophet Mohammad (pbuh) , nor the Quran as a holy book , which i care less , but I dont think you have the right to attack something you have no knowledge of , and let your hatred drive you to that , by all means here is the link again , read the book , and see for you self what is it all about
Quran Explorer ,

[Peter]

ch wrote:

THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID :

Muslims, or any other Gentiles, must choose between the 1600 year record of the gradual revelation of God to mankind, expressed in His Word through the prophets and legions of witnesses:

Or the 23 year record of the re...



i choose to use all if want to see where the mistakes are made , because if we want to messure things by time , then i should be worshiping the son of Hours, or maybe Mithra of babylon,
really i dont need a book to beleive in an almighty creator of the world, i need the book to guid me to what i can and canot do in life with out suffring in the after life, that simple , becasue if it was left for man kind these rules well change based on who is runing the show , as it was in the time of CEASER of rome ,KISRA of persia ,or Pharoh of egypt , that claimed godhood .
and since we are giving life by god and we end up going back to him to be judged, there for i choose to live by what he wants ,,, and like an athiest said to me once ( your wrong there is no god ) i said thats fine , if your right i would be dead and thats the end of it , but if im right , your screwed .

[Peter]

ch wrote:

one of a few video you can find for the jews and what they really think of you, when thier not kissing your asses and lobbieng in your congress, there is more videos just like those but they keep removing them unless you get lucky and get a hold of one , if they can tell your american buddies this imagen what are they doing to the palastinians when no one is looking, but we are looking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JvwdsoSmrs

[Peter]

ch wrote:

one of a few video you can find for the jews and what they really think of you, when thier not kissing your asses and lobbieng in your congress, there is more videos just like those but they keep removing them unless you get lucky and get a hold of one , if they can tell your american buddies this imagen what are they doing to the palastinians when no one is looking, but we are looking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JvwdsoSmrs

Your delusion is becoming comical.
You hold up a Jewish teenager (who may well begrudge having lost his home to "palistinians" as a result of international powers), who is speaking in a drunken state, to suggest he is representative of the Jewish people.

Meanwhile, leaders of entire Islamic nationstates like Ahmedeenijhad, or spokesmen like Arafat, and Islamic clerics and leaders throughout the Islamic world, express a commitment to kill all the Jews and drive them into the sea. The Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem was hand in hand with Hitler and his genocide of the Jewish people. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WsWtSeudQo&feature=channel_page

This is, of course, a simple extension of their reprobate prophet who called for race based genocide:

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'"

Plundered their caravans and slaughtered innocent Jews himself.
And the best you can come up with is a drunken Isralei teenager?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk6VgFg-EK4
Here's Islamic hatred destroying a 3 year old child:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL0C2QvqIlo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM0ZD6XfTfg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvLQdmZ8Qw0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udDXUZEYUIc

[Peter]

Continuation of PM of 2nd panel above.

Ch continued:

Very strong hating......

I hate the things that God hates. False prophets are one of those things. I love you my friend. That's why I put so much effort into helping you overcome Mohammedanism.

...... comment :
No. It's far easier to use your own prophet against you. You have bet your eternity on a A SINGLE, 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic conquering, thief,

Select any one of the above that you believe to be a mischaracterization and we will explore it through your own books. I was exercising restraint. Others aren't so restrained.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=115.0

false prophet reprobate. A an, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.

We bet our eternity on the holy Quran and Allah commandment, you bet your whole eternity on .....

The 1600 year record of the revelation of God to mankind through ALL of the prophets, apostles and legions of witnesses that says that.....

....a man Jesus(pbuh), that god came down or sent his only begotten son to day for humans that he created to reward heaven to the good dowers , and died for your sins, that alone , takes the fact of judgment out period,.......

How do you figure?

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto THE SON:

Now how do you suppose Jesus will judge those who deny He is God's Son (stunningly even as you realize He was the only person ever conceived of a virgin by the will of God), deny God's 1600 year record to us, and deny the blood that would save you? But instead worship the PERFECT OPPOSITE, through A SINGLE false prophet.

....... no point in living, your god might as well end life and send every one of you to heaven and us to hell !!!!

It's all about a love of truth my friend:

2Thes 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 [EVEN HIM],WHOSE COMING IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because THEY RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 

Follow your book.
Matthew :chapter: 19

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Ex 20:13-16 Dt 5:17-20

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Ex 20:12 Lev 19:18 Deut 5:16 Matt 5:43 Matt 22:39 Mark 12:31 Rom 13:9 Gal 5:14 Jam 2:8

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to thpoor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Additionally:
1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such WERE some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Concubines are used in Christianity,....

That's incorrect. Show me the reference. You can see from the verse above what you say is untrue.
"....neither fornicators,..."

[Peter]

..... in Islam a lover of a man with out mirage is adultery a sin
, prophet ( pbuh) had no concubine.

"Mohammed had two concubines: Mariya bint Sham’un the Copt, and Rayhanah bint Zayd al-Quraziyyah of the Banu al-Nadir. al-Tabari vol.9 p.141. Mariya was an um walid of Mohammed according to al-Tabari vol.13 p.58."
http://www.muslimhope.com/WhyDidMohammedGetSoManyWives.htm

But your argument is pointless.
Mohammed got a very convenient "revelation" that God allowed - for him alone - as many wives as he wanted.
In other words he could fornicate to his heart's desire because all he would have to do is a quickie "wedding".
Even today, all a husband has to do is say "I divorce you" three times and it's over.
In other words Islam gives LICENSE to fornication as Mohammedans are allowed 4 wives today, down to 9 years old or younger by some opinion. How many husbands can a woman keep?
How do you think that 4 women like to compete for one man's attentions?
About the same as 4 men would like to compete for one woman's affections?
Again we find Islam is purely reprobate and a "religion" for men at the expense of women.

But it is you that claim that many past prophets in your book had concubines .

While pagans and Christians , and jew were practicing slavery in the land, the prophet for bit it , a slave is a person , that is owned by some one, and is forced to work for that some one against his or her will , with out being paid too. Mohammad(pbuh) have declared that the only slavery is to Allah ( god ) and no man shall in slave another as in the case of the first black muslim .

Why resort to outright lies? The reason is you are supporting Satan. Slavery wasn't even officially abolished in Saudi Arabia until 1962, only to appease outsiders. But slavery will never be abolished in Islam as your book and your prophet call for it. Even pimping out your slaves for prostitution:

Surah 24:33 ... Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. and if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be forgiving, Merciful.

But from the pagans when he refused to worship any thing but Allah ( his name was Belal ) , and the prophet declared that all humans were born free, no slave to no man. So tell me who was the prophets (pbuh) slaves again.

And this thief you speak of ruled a vast land , and yet he had nothing of money land or wealth.

Of course he did. He had everything he ever needed or wanted. And the Islamic First Jihad stole so much property along it's way that the burden slowed them down. You have a whole sura titled "Spoils of war, Booty" devoted to disposition of stolen property, including women, for heaven's sakes!!! Who do you think you are trying to fool?

AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY) also details Mohammed's 1/5 share of it.
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/008.qmt.html

[Peter]

( see to accuse some one of being a thief , he should have something to show that he stole, , and a wealth that he gathered , kind of like the thiefs in our present time, no need to mention many, but how about the ministers that preach Christianity they walk in with no money and they walk out with a shit load ,,......

Can't you answer this question for yourself based on the little bit of scripture that you included in this post yourself?
About the only shoes I would rather be in less than theirs, is an antichrist's shoes, such as yourself.

...... only some , im not saying all .. But yet people follow them still , they claim to perform miracles , and yet they cant.
If he is such a false prophet then you have 1.7 billion people and growing, .......

Maybe you think big numbers are a good thing. What does the bible say on the subject?

Matt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for WIDE [IS] THE GATE, AND BROAD [IS] THE WAY, THAT LEADETH TO DESTRUCTION, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.

[Peter]

Ch continues:

......and your own bible talks about
it : let me share with you : old testament:

Deuteronomy:chapter:18
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

The promise was made in Isaac, not his illegitimate brother Ishmael.
You are quoting one of the clearest Messianic prophecies in the Old Testament:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=201.0

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Acts 3:22
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
Acts 3:23

Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

See how simple that was? But you don't believe Jesus' words any more than the Pharisees did.

[Peter]

New testament:
John:chapter:16

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

I pray that the only ones that can blaspheme the Holy Ghost, as it would seem you do, are those that know the Holy Ghost, and not those that are ignorant and unregenerate as you demonstrate.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=178.0

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 [Even] THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom THE WORLD cannot receive, because it SEETH HIM NOT, neither knoweth him: but YE KNOW HIM; for he DWELLETH WITH YOU, and SHALL BE IN YOU.

See how preposterous that verse makes your foolish notions of Mohammed prophesied in the bible EXCEPT in the verses that regard false prophets and THE false prophet?

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be FALSE TEACHERS among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, AND BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.   

But Mohammed came as a ravening wolf.

Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The Islamic beast: http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=112.0

[Peter]

Isaiah: chapter 12:
11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=330.0

You can read it and understand it in any way you like,.....

Sorry that is false. One has to understand it in context. In the entire context. I've got a whole section devoted to this Islamic sophist nonsense: http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=33.0
Pretending that you can understand the bible any way you like is how you continue to march blithely down your path to perdition.
You prove again and again that you have no interest in truth whatsoever.

..... if you claim the holy ghost is the one they speak of , well the holy ghost is supposed and mentioned that it was with them at the time of Jesus(pbun). So he is not talking about that,....

But that, of course, is another Deedat styled lie. You follow liars like him, rather than God.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=35.0

John 14:26 But THE COMFORTER, [which is] THE HOLY GHOST, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 [Even] THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom THE WORLD cannot receive, because it SEETH HIM NOT, neither knoweth him: but YE KNOW HIM; for he DWELLETH WITH YOU, and SHALL BE IN YOU.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=178.0

Jesus was talking to His disciples. The world "knoweth him not" because Mohammed wasn't born? The apostles "knew" Mohammed, and he "dwelleth with" them, 500 years before he was born? Mohamed was to be IN THEM?

See how simple it is to expose Deedat's foolish lies?

[Peter]

.... and we are all spirits, we are a spirit when were born and when we die.
And the Muslims are the only ones that glorify Jesus ( pbuh) ,....

You blaspheme Jesus as every turn with Mohammedan lies. Mohammed's "revelations" from Satan.

 Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

It's not me that made Mohammed a liar:

1Jo 5:10  He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave of his Son.

.... and if you read the Quran ( our Quran and misquoted verse that you find here and there , you find that in the holy book. ) as we glorify all the prophet.

Some of you worship Mary, ......

That is Roman Catholic heresy. Please see that section for more:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=7.0
specifically:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=16.0

......but yet she is barley mentioned in the bible, Jesus in the bible speaks to Mary (his mother ) and calls her woman , not one mention of him calling her mother or my mother ,, what a shame is that how some one that you worship talks to his mother.( just to let you know I dont believe that Isa, Yahoua, Jesus (pbuh) would talk to his mother like that,,.....

You guys harbor lots of ill based superstitutions. The other day someone criticized pastors that met with Deedat for pointing their shoes his way. What's with that?

..... its not a way of a messenger of Allah (god).

All your saying is that through your 21st century English/Arabic(?) vocabulary you don't understand the sense of the 1st century Greek it was spoken in.
Deny God as Jesus, and follow a 6th century reprobate all you want.
Jesus will be your judge.
Forever is a very long time, my friend.