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PLEASE CHECK THE FACTS
« on: September 17, 2012, 05:13:50 PM »
I have visited a large number of pages and I humbly request that you check each statement carefully before believing anything written.

Please do your research read the Quran and Hadith for yourself in context) as it is only prudent that you do.

The testimonial links are almost all fraudulent as the language and the facts presented differ hugely from the reality of the life of a Muslim


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Re: PLEASE CHECK THE FACTS
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2012, 05:33:47 PM »
I have visited a large number of pages and I humbly request that you check each statement carefully before believing anything written.
I do what I can to check the veracity of sources but we are all only human. The last thing I want to be caught doing is lying. There is no such thing as "taqiyyah" in Christianity.
Please do your research read the Quran and Hadith for yourself in context) as it is only prudent that you do.
I have read the Quran, and even in the chronological order, of Muhammad's "revelations".
However a Christian only needs a single verse, to understand that Muhammad proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Indeed the subject of the whole bible when we take into account the subject of blood atonement for sin in the Old Testament too.

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

And also the prophesies of Jesus crucifixion that were revealed so many hundreds of years in advance.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1007.0

That's more than a little "corruption" my friend. That would require an entire rewrite of a book, that by Muhammad's day had been translated into every popular language, and had been read all over the known world for centuries. We even have 5300 partial or complete manuscripts from before 300 AD in many languages that repeat the same account.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=97.0
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2572.0
The testimonial links are almost all fraudulent as the language and the facts presented differ hugely from the reality of the life of a Muslim
I don't doubt that you are a peaceful Muslim Muj. It's just a shame that Muhammad's true followers aren't.

Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

You see for me to testify to that, would be pure blasphemy against Jesus Christ, because Muhammad proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. I don't doubt that Muhammad is a prophet of the Arabian deity named "Allah", but if Muhammad was a true prophet of the one true God of the bible whose name is YHWH (YHVH), and his 23 year 7th century record were true, then all of the prophets of the bible would be false.

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Re: PLEASE CHECK THE FACTS
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2012, 10:01:12 AM »
I have visited a large number of pages and I humbly request that you check each statement carefully before believing anything written.
I do what I can to check the veracity of sources but we are all only human. The last thing I want to be caught doing is lying. There is no such thing as "taqiyyah" in Christianity.
Please do your research read the Quran and Hadith for yourself in context) as it is only prudent that you do.
I have read the Quran, and in even in the chronological order, of Muhammad's "revelations".
However a Christian only needs a single verse, to understand that Muhammad proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Indeed the subject of the whole bible when we take into account the subject of blood atonement for sin in the Old Testament too.

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

And also the prophesies of Jesus crucifixion that were revealed so many hundreds of years in advance.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1007.0

That's more than a little "corruption" my friend. That would require an entire rewrite of a book, that by Muhammad's day had been translated into every popular language, and had been read all over the known world for centuries. We even have 5300 partial or complete manuscripts from before 300 AD in many languages that repeat the same account.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=97.0
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2572.0
The testimonial links are almost all fraudulent as the language and the facts presented differ hugely from the reality of the life of a Muslim
I don't doubt that you are a peaceful Muslim Muj. It's just a shame that Muhammad's true followers aren't.

Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

You see for me to testify to that, would be pure blasphemy against Jesus Christ, because Muhammad proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. I don't doubt that Muhammad is a prophet of the Arabian deity named "Allah", but if Muhammad was a true prophet of the one true God of the bible whose name is YHWH (YHVH), and his 23 year 7th century record were true, then all of the prophets of the bible would be false.



Is it all possible that you are reading the Scripture entirely wrong and with a biased that is preventing you from attaining the truth in them?

Is it all possible that it due to the fact that its approach is entire EUROCENTRIC in its nature that it has lost the meaning of the Message brought to us by the chain of prophethood that is recorded from PROPHET ADAM to MUHAMMED? THE MIDDLE EASTERN RELIGIONS ALL CONCUR THAT GOD IS A SINGULAR UNIQUE ENTITY< ALL MIGHTY , AND DOES NOT BEAR CHILDREN.

I BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES REVEALED BEFORE THE QURAN AND I SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH LEFT IN THEM BY THE PREVIOUS NATIONS AS GOD IS A GOD OF THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE, SO I MUST BE ABLE TO SEE THE GREATNESS OF GOD IN EVERYTHING>

WHEN I READ THE SCRIPTURES IT CONFORMS IN PART ALMOST ENTIRELY TO THE TEAHINGS IN THE QURAN EXCEPT WHERE IT CONTRADICTS ITSELF.


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Re: PLEASE CHECK THE FACTS
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2012, 10:33:44 AM »
Thank you for quoting properly!
I have visited a large number of pages and I humbly request that you check each statement carefully before believing anything written.
I do what I can to check the veracity of sources but we are all only human. The last thing I want to be caught doing is lying. There is no such thing as "taqiyyah" in Christianity.
Please do your research read the Quran and Hadith for yourself in context) as it is only prudent that you do.
I have read the Quran, and in even in the chronological order, of Muhammad's "revelations".
However a Christian only needs a single verse, to understand that Muhammad proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Indeed the subject of the whole bible when we take into account the subject of blood atonement for sin in the Old Testament too.

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

And also the prophesies of Jesus crucifixion that were revealed so many hundreds of years in advance.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1007.0

That's more than a little "corruption" my friend. That would require an entire rewrite of a book, that by Muhammad's day had been translated into every popular language, and had been read all over the known world for centuries. We even have 5300 partial or complete manuscripts from before 300 AD in many languages that repeat the same account.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=97.0
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2572.0
The testimonial links are almost all fraudulent as the language and the facts presented differ hugely from the reality of the life of a Muslim
I don't doubt that you are a peaceful Muslim Muj. It's just a shame that Muhammad's true followers aren't.

Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

You see for me to testify to that, would be pure blasphemy against Jesus Christ, because Muhammad proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. I don't doubt that Muhammad is a prophet of the Arabian deity named "Allah", but if Muhammad was a true prophet of the one true God of the bible whose name is YHWH (YHVH), and his 23 year 7th century record were true, then all of the prophets of the bible would be false.
Is it all possible that you are reading the Scripture entirely wrong and with a biased that is preventing you from attaining the truth in them?

How do you read this Muj?

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Muj, what was the purpose of the alter, in the temple that God had His people build on the temple mount, in Jerusalem?
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=atonement+sin&t=KJV&sf=5
http://www.historyofmecca.com/#temple

The Messiah, the Lamb of God, our prophet Jesus' own prophecies:

Matthew 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them, 18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
Is it all possible that it due to the fact that its approach is entire EUROCENTRIC in its nature that it has lost the meaning of the Message brought to us by the chain of prophethood that is recorded from PROPHET ADAM to MUHAMMED? THE MIDDLE EASTERN RELIGIONS ALL CONCUR THAT GOD IS A SINGULAR UNIQUE ENTITY< ALL MIGHTY , AND DOES NOT BEAR CHILDREN.

I BELIEVE IN THE SCRIPTURES REVEALED BEFORE THE QURAN AND I SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH LEFT IN THEM BY THE PREVIOUS NATIONS AS GOD IS A GOD OF THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE, SO I MUST BE ABLE TO SEE THE GREATNESS OF GOD IN EVERYTHING>

WHEN I READ THE SCRIPTURES IT CONFORMS IN PART ALMOST ENTIRELY TO THE TEAHINGS IN THE QURAN ........

Come on Muj. If you had read the Gospel you would have realized that Muhammad proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. Why don't you try reading it now?
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1175.0

........ EXCEPT WHERE IT CONTRADICTS ITSELF.
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Hbr 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.