Islamic Radicals

[Peter]

Bing definition: radical: 3 favoring major changes: favoring or making economic, political, or social changes of a sweeping or extreme nature

So self-described "peaceful Muslims" are the only "radical" Muslims, because they wish to change Islam into something, that it hasn't been for 1400 years.
Muslims whose ambition is the conquest of the world, and subjugation of all people to Muhammad's followers, are the non-radical, or true fundamental followers of Muhammad.
Radical non-violent Muslims are content to sit back as hypocrites, and let true Muslims accomplish Islam's murder, mayhem and misery, heavy-lifting for them, though they all know the job must be done by someone.

[Mujaheed]

Bing definition: radical: 3 favoring major changes: favoring or making economic, political, or social changes of a sweeping or extreme nature

So self-described "peaceful Muslims" are the only "radical" Muslims, because they wish to change Islam into something, that it hasn't been for 1400 years.
Muslims whose ambition is the conquest of the world, and subjugation of all people to Muhammad's followers, are the non-radical, or true fundamental followers of Muhammad.
Radical non-violent Muslims are content to sit back as hypocrites, and let true Muslims accomplish Islam's murder, mayhem and misery, heavy-lifting for them, though they all know the job must be done by someone.

You have described yourself ("Islam is the exact opposite" is your war cry), the church (Trinity above all" is the warcry), the crusades (God wills it war cry), the English in the victorian age (For God and Country was the War cry) and America (In god we rtrust (on the dollar bill is the war cry)

TAKE THE BEAM OUT OF YOUR OWN EYE BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO REMOVE A SPLINTER FROM THE EYE OF ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD>Muslims can now be found in ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD.)

ISLAM IS THE OPPSITE OF ECONOMIC ENSLAVEMENT AND EXPLOITATION (in other words the opposite of the doctrine you live by not the one swear by). It is not one nation, Made up Arab and none Arab. It is not a conspiracy to rule the world. It does not have to do with geographical boundries like the small minded media and warmongers make it out to be.

It is not confined to one man that is killed in  sensationalised way,

Islam is the reason mankind exists, all the prophets from Adam to Prophet Muhammed is Muslim every deviated religion and sect gives itself a name that the Prophet from God did not follow.

Please start reading another perspective as your biased narrow view of the history of religion is confined to a Jewish (gone astray) Greek (arrogant warriors) Roman (Politically corrupt) book that is known to have been written by men and presented as word of God.

GOD IS NOT GEOGRAPHICALLY CONFINED ALL OF MANKIND IS HIS CREATED CHILDREN AS GOD DOES NOT HAVE OFFSPRING. (GOD DOES NOT GIVE BIRTH NOR IS HE BORN)

[Peter]

Bing definition: radical: 3 favoring major changes: favoring or making economic, political, or social changes of a sweeping or extreme nature

So self-described "peaceful Muslims" are the only "radical" Muslims, because they wish to change Islam into something, that it hasn't been for 1400 years.
Muslims whose ambition is the conquest of the world, and subjugation of all people to Muhammad's followers, are the non-radical, or true fundamental followers of Muhammad.
Radical non-violent Muslims are content to sit back as hypocrites, and let true Muslims accomplish Islam's murder, mayhem and misery, heavy-lifting for them, though they all know the job must be done by someone.

You have described yourself ("Islam is the exact opposite" is your war cry), .....

Let's start here. It isn't about a "war cry", but about recognizing simple matters of irrefutable fact. Let's try to limit our conversation to facts rather than knee jerk emotional responses.

The WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, is the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah, who saves all from sin who have faith in His shed blood. The sacrifice of the Lamb of God.

Muhammad proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

It's a simple matter of irrefutable fact. There is only ONE TRUTH. So obviously ONE MUST CHOOSE. Between the 1600 year record of God to mankind, through ALL of His prophets and witnesses, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years.
Or Muhammad and his 23 year, 7th century, record.

Is there something about that you don't understand?

[Mujaheed]

Bing definition: radical: 3 favoring major changes: favoring or making economic, political, or social changes of a sweeping or extreme nature

So self-described "peaceful Muslims" are the only "radical" Muslims, because they wish to change Islam into something, that it hasn't been for 1400 years.
Muslims whose ambition is the conquest of the world, and subjugation of all people to Muhammad's followers, are the non-radical, or true fundamental followers of Muhammad.
Radical non-violent Muslims are content to sit back as hypocrites, and let true Muslims accomplish Islam's murder, mayhem and misery, heavy-lifting for them, though they all know the job must be done by someone.

Muhammad proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

It's a simple matter of irrefutable fact. There is only ONE TRUTH. So obviously ONE MUST CHOOSE. Between the 1600 year record of God to mankind, through ALL of His prophets and witnesses, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years.
Or Muhammad and his 23 year, 7th century, record.

Is there something about that you don't understand?

Muhammed (peace be upon diametrically opposed the lies of that was written by men and presented as God's word.

Yes anything that contradicts the central message of all the Prophets: that

 "Lord GOD is ONE UNIQUE INDIVISIBLE AND NOT OF HUMAN FLESH. UNSEEN BY HUMAN EYES begets not nor is Born. I accept that in all the scriptures

I don't accept conjecture from men I certainly will not accept the interpretation of Roamn and Greek philosiphers that have corrupted the the Scriptures tio suit their political agenda.

There is only one truth: THE LORD YOUR GOD IS ONE; NOT OF HUMAN OR BY HUMAN.

[Peter]

I semi-repaired your post. Please be more careful when you quote and use your "preview" function to make sure it is correct before you post it.

[Peter]

Bing definition: radical: 3 favoring major changes: favoring or making economic, political, or social changes of a sweeping or extreme nature

So self-described "peaceful Muslims" are the only "radical" Muslims, because they wish to change Islam into something, that it hasn't been for 1400 years.
Muslims whose ambition is the conquest of the world, and subjugation of all people to Muhammad's followers, are the non-radical, or true fundamental followers of Muhammad.
Radical non-violent Muslims are content to sit back as hypocrites, and let true Muslims accomplish Islam's murder, mayhem and misery, heavy-lifting for them, though they all know the job must be done by someone.

Muhammad proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

It's a simple matter of irrefutable fact. There is only ONE TRUTH. So obviously ONE MUST CHOOSE. Between the 1600 year record of God to mankind, through ALL of His prophets and witnesses, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years.
Or Muhammad and his 23 year, 7th century, record.

Is there something about that you don't understand?

Muhammed (peace be upon diametrically opposed the lies of that was written by men and presented as God's word.

Yes anything that contradicts the central message of all the Prophets: that

 "Lord GOD is ONE UNIQUE INDIVISIBLE AND NOT OF HUMAN FLESH. UNSEEN BY HUMAN EYES .......

It's true that God remains unseen by human eyes. God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. Nobody has seen God at any time, only the way that He chose to reveal Himself to us. Whether as a burning bush, as a man in the flesh, as He did to Abraham.....

Genesis 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2358.0

.....and as He revealed Himself in the flesh of Jesus Christ.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

It's the way God chose to reveal Himself to us, or speak to us, nobody has still seen God Himself.

...... begets not ..........

If God didn't beget Jesus, then who did cause Mary to conceive Jesus? Who was Jesus' father?

beget
1. To father; sire.
2. To cause to exist or occur; produce: Violence begets more violence.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=612.0

......... nor is Born. I accept that in all the scriptures

Simply saying something doesn't make it magically come true. You reject the entirety of the scriptures because you must reject hundreds of verses that proclaim the Father, His Son and the Spirit of God, just as you must reject the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel - to follow Muhammad alone. I don't think you are even fooling yourself Muj, and surely you know you aren't going to fool the one true God of the Jews and Christians, YHWH. Whether in Old Testament prophecy:

Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Or New Testament confirmation of that fulfillment.

Act 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

I don't accept conjecture from men ...........

Then why do you follow Muhammad alone, through the created fiction of his 7th - 10th century followers, that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history, that his followers are stuck having to label "tradition"? Mecca never existed before the 4th century AD so Islam is provably a horrific farce perpetrated upon the unwary.

......... I certainly will not accept the interpretation of Roamn and Greek philosiphers that have corrupted the the Scriptures tio suit their political agenda.

Indeed. Wouldn't it be simply awful to follow the one true God of love and peace through all of His prophets and witnesses as revealed in His 1600 year record.

Mark 12:29  And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.  31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. 

There is only one truth: THE LORD YOUR GOD IS ONE; NOT OF HUMAN OR BY HUMAN.

That passage continues: 32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

[Mujaheed]

Bing definition: radical: 3 favoring major changes: favoring or making economic, political, or social changes of a sweeping or extreme nature

So self-described "peaceful Muslims" are the only "radical" Muslims, because they wish to change Islam into something, that it hasn't been for 1400 years.
Muslims whose ambition is the conquest of the world, and subjugation of all people to Muhammad's followers, are the non-radical, or true fundamental followers of Muhammad.
Radical non-violent Muslims are content to sit back as hypocrites, and let true Muslims accomplish Islam's murder, mayhem and misery, heavy-lifting for them, though they all know the job must be done by someone.

You barking up the wrong tree thats like saying the USA is a criminal nation as they house 25% of the worlds inmates: Your logic conforms me and the way you keep making absurd statements is exactly the kind of arguments the Jews used against the messiah

[Peter]

Bing definition: radical: 3 favoring major changes: favoring or making economic, political, or social changes of a sweeping or extreme nature

So self-described "peaceful Muslims" are the only "radical" Muslims, because they wish to change Islam into something, that it hasn't been for 1400 years.
Muslims whose ambition is the conquest of the world, and subjugation of all people to Muhammad's followers, are the non-radical, or true fundamental followers of Muhammad.
Radical non-violent Muslims are content to sit back as hypocrites, and let true Muslims accomplish Islam's murder, mayhem and misery, heavy-lifting for them, though they all know the job must be done by someone.

You barking up the wrong tree thats like saying the USA is a criminal nation as they house 25% of the worlds inmates: Your logic conforms me ...........

That's because your point is illogical.
The equivalent in your model would be if the Constitution of the USA, required each and every able-bodied male citizen of the US, to engage in imperialistic conquest of all kingdoms of the world, and subjugation of all people, to the USA and its laws. The way the Quran and Hadith call Muhammad's true followers to subjugate and/or kill all non-Muslims in the world.

Quran Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

While a literate person can see that fighting and slaying others is binding on true followers of Muhammad, he lied about fighting and slaying others, being binding on anyone through the Gospel. And the same Gospel had been read all over the known world for centuries when Muhammad told that lie. If you believe otherwise I challenge you to show me where Christians are commanded to do other than love everyone - including our enemies.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/

Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

AP - December 06, 2006 MOGADISHU, Somalia - "Residents of a southern Somalia town who do not pray five times a day will be beheaded, an Islamic courts official said Wednesday, adding the edict will be implemented in three days."

Sahih Al-Bukhari - "Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its Pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah is made superior and He becomes the only God who may be worshiped. By Jihad Islam is propagated and made superior. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position. Their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, and Muslim rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape this duty dies as a hypocrite." page 580 of Maktba Dar-us-Salam's Sahih Al-Bukhari

You see? Your own brethren call any follower of Muhammad who tries to "escape this duty" they are "obligated" to perform through the Quran (and Hadith) - that is fighting and slaying in "Allah's Cause" - a hypocrite. But the U.S. Constitution doesn't require citizens to engage in imperialistic conquest does it.

.......... and the way you keep making absurd statements is exactly the kind of arguments the Jews used against the messiah.

Some Jews still don't recognize Jesus is their Messiah, though more Jews come to Christ every day, just as they have throughout the Christian era. Just as followers of Muhammad have for 1400 years. However Jews and Christians worship the same God YHWH through all of the prophets and witnesses as revealed through the Old Testament scriptures.

While the false prophet Muhammad's followers not only reject the Old Testament prophets and witnesses that Jews and Christians recognize as revealed through the scriptures, but are required to REJECT the whole subject of the Gospel, and DENY the Son of God, AS ARTICLES OF THEIR FAITH IN THE FALSE PROPHET MUHAMMAD.

Do you understand that Islam is the ONLY anti-another-specific-religion cult on earth? Islam is not just some random religion like Hinduism or Buddhism, but Islam is to the Gospel, as the negative is to a photograph. Just as Muhammad's mass murder, female prisoner abuse and thievery, were the exact opposite of the word and deed of our sinless Messiah. Just as Satan is the opposite of YHWH.

Additionally, I believe some faithful Jews may have even been blinded to the Gospel, through a merciful act of God, so they couldn't sin against it.
http://israelinbibleprophecy.com/spirit_of_slumber.htm

Other Jews are simply unfaithful and share the same spiritual condition as agnostic or atheist Gentiles. You are a GENTILE Muj, and you fully understand that the whole subject of the Gospel is the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah, who saves all from sin who have faith in His shed blood. You will be judged on the basis of having that full knowledge. Judged by the very Son of God that you deny:

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

[Mujaheed]

Bing definition: radical: 3 favoring major changes: favoring or making economic, political, or social changes of a sweeping or extreme nature

So self-described "peaceful Muslims" are the only "radical" Muslims, because they wish to change Islam into something, that it hasn't been for 1400 years.
Muslims whose ambition is the conquest of the world, and subjugation of all people to Muhammad's followers, are the non-radical, or true fundamental followers of Muhammad.
Radical non-violent Muslims are content to sit back as hypocrites, and let true Muslims accomplish Islam's murder, mayhem and misery, heavy-lifting for them, though they all know the job must be done by someone.

You barking up the wrong tree thats like saying the USA is a criminal nation as they house 25% of the worlds inmates: Your logic conforms me ...........

That's because your point is illogical.
The equivalent in your model would be if the Constitution of the USA, required each and every able-bodied male citizen of the US, to engage in imperialistic conquest of all kingdoms of the world, and subjugation of all people, to the USA and its laws. The way the Quran and Hadith call Muhammad's true followers to subjugate and/or kill all non-Muslims in the world.

Peter your context and narrow mindedness coulpled with your idealistc view of what scripture is or should be blinds you to the truth as you take what you want and leave that which you dislike.

ALL THE PROPHETS WERE INSTRUCTED TO STRIVE (MAKE JIHAAD) GO TO THE PEOPLE AND TELL THEM ABOUT GOD AND THE WAY HE MUST BE WORSHIPPED
ALL THE PROPHETS WERE INSTRUCTED TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST THE ENEMIES OF GOD: MOSES, DAVID, SAMSON TOOK REVENGE:

WAR IS ONLY PERMISSIBLE WHEN THERE IS AN AGGRESSOR: YOU READING THE VERSE WITHOUT COMPLETING IT OR CONTEXTUALIZING IT>

The verses you are quoting is in line with the tradition of Scripture, it is line with all the prophets that came before Muhammad, it is in line with the prophesy of the Bible have you read the slaying of the unbelievers in :
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
But God will cut off the head of his enemies and the hairy scalp of those who walk in their sins.

furthermore
The book of Revelation teaches Christ will come to earth and literally destroy millions because of the rebellion and unbelief of man’s heart. In fact, the tribulation period, which is described for us in Revelation 6-19, will among other things, demonstrate the true nature of man and just what lengths he will go to in his sin and rebellion when left to himself. Christ spoke of this time in Matthew 24. So the Old Testament is not alone in demonstrating God’s wrath and judgment against sin. THE QURAN CONCURS

[Peter]

Bing definition: radical: 3 favoring major changes: favoring or making economic, political, or social changes of a sweeping or extreme nature

So self-described "peaceful Muslims" are the only "radical" Muslims, because they wish to change Islam into something, that it hasn't been for 1400 years.
Muslims whose ambition is the conquest of the world, and subjugation of all people to Muhammad's followers, are the non-radical, or true fundamental followers of Muhammad.
Radical non-violent Muslims are content to sit back as hypocrites, and let true Muslims accomplish Islam's murder, mayhem and misery, heavy-lifting for them, though they all know the job must be done by someone.

You barking up the wrong tree thats like saying the USA is a criminal nation as they house 25% of the worlds inmates: Your logic conforms me ...........

That's because your point is illogical.
The equivalent in your model would be if the Constitution of the USA, required each and every able-bodied male citizen of the US, to engage in imperialistic conquest of all kingdoms of the world, and subjugation of all people, to the USA and its laws. The way the Quran and Hadith call Muhammad's true followers to subjugate and/or kill all non-Muslims in the world.

Peter your context and narrow mindedness coulpled with your idealistc view of what scripture is or should be blinds you to the truth as you take what you want and leave that which you dislike.

ALL THE PROPHETS WERE INSTRUCTED TO STRIVE (MAKE JIHAAD) GO TO THE PEOPLE AND TELL THEM ABOUT GOD AND THE WAY HE MUST BE WORSHIPPED
ALL THE PROPHETS WERE INSTRUCTED TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST THE ENEMIES OF GOD: MOSES, DAVID, SAMSON TOOK REVENGE:

WAR IS ONLY PERMISSIBLE WHEN THERE IS AN AGGRESSOR: YOU READING THE VERSE WITHOUT COMPLETING IT OR CONTEXTUALIZING IT>

More taqiyyah. I don't know if you are just an unwitting victim of it or a purveyor of it.
If your premise were other than false, then please explain to us what the Islamic First Jihad was doing all the way up in France and Austria, during its imperialistic conquest of nearly the whole known world.

The verses you are quoting is in line with the tradition of Scripture, it is line with all the prophets that came before Muhammad, it is in line with the prophesy of the Bible have you read the slaying of the unbelievers in :
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
But God will cut off the head of his enemies and the hairy scalp of those who walk in their sins.

furthermore
The book of Revelation teaches Christ will come to earth and literally destroy millions because of the rebellion and unbelief of man’s heart. In fact, the tribulation period, which is described for us in Revelation 6-19, will among other things, demonstrate the true nature of man and just what lengths he will go to in his sin and rebellion when left to himself. Christ spoke of this time in Matthew 24. So the Old Testament is not alone in demonstrating God’s wrath and judgment against sin. THE QURAN CONCURS

[Mujaheed]

Bing definition: radical: 3 favoring major changes: favoring or making economic, political, or social changes of a sweeping or extreme nature

So self-described "peaceful Muslims" are the only "radical" Muslims, because they wish to change Islam into something, that it hasn't been for 1400 years.
Muslims whose ambition is the conquest of the world, and subjugation of all people to Muhammad's followers, are the non-radical, or true fundamental followers of Muhammad.
Radical non-violent Muslims are content to sit back as hypocrites, and let true Muslims accomplish Islam's murder, mayhem and misery, heavy-lifting for them, though they all know the job must be done by someone.

You barking up the wrong tree thats like saying the USA is a criminal nation as they house 25% of the worlds inmates: Your logic conforms me ...........

That's because your point is illogical.
The equivalent in your model would be if the Constitution of the USA, required each and every able-bodied male citizen of the US, to engage in imperialistic conquest of all kingdoms of the world, and subjugation of all people, to the USA and its laws. The way the Quran and Hadith call Muhammad's true followers to subjugate and/or kill all non-Muslims in the world.

Peter your context and narrow mindedness coulpled with your idealistc view of what scripture is or should be blinds you to the truth as you take what you want and leave that which you dislike.

ALL THE PROPHETS WERE INSTRUCTED TO STRIVE (MAKE JIHAAD) GO TO THE PEOPLE AND TELL THEM ABOUT GOD AND THE WAY HE MUST BE WORSHIPPED
ALL THE PROPHETS WERE INSTRUCTED TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST THE ENEMIES OF GOD: MOSES, DAVID, SAMSON TOOK REVENGE:

WAR IS ONLY PERMISSIBLE WHEN THERE IS AN AGGRESSOR: YOU READING THE VERSE WITHOUT COMPLETING IT OR CONTEXTUALIZING IT>

More taqiyyah. I don't know if you are just an unwitting victim of it or a purveyor of it.
If your premise were other than false, then please explain to us what the Islamic First Jihad was doing all the way up in France and Austria, during its imperialistic conquest of nearly the whole known world.

There you go again confusing reality of what happened with that which Islam and the Messengers of ALLAH has instructed. You keep telling me about human beings that may have committed grave errors in judgement or they may have taken verses literally not unlike the way you go about your conclusions and conjecture.

The Quran and Sunnah are guides for mankind, SCRIPTURES ARE SENT TO GUIDE MANKIND, inorder for me to answer you correctly Iwould have to give you an entire history lesson on the political agendas of some Khalifs,

There is no taqiyyah in me I dont hide my identity or make excuses, Scripture is for the a guidance of the GOD_fearing not for egos to expound and display their knowledge of it.

USE THE SCRIPTURE TO GUIDE YOU NOT TONGUE LASH HUMAN BEINGS THAT GOD HAS CREATED AND SUSTAINED AND LOVES>

[Peter]

There you go again confusing reality of what happened with that which Islam and the Messengers of ALLAH has instructed. You keep telling me about human beings that may have committed grave errors in judgement or they may have taken verses literally not unlike the way you go about your conclusions and conjecture.

So then you agree that the Islamic First Jihad, conquest of nearly the whole known world, was of Satan?

The Quran and Sunnah are guides for mankind, SCRIPTURES ARE SENT TO GUIDE MANKIND, inorder for me to answer you correctly Iwould have to give you an entire history lesson on the political agendas of some Khalifs,

There is no taqiyyah in me I dont hide my identity or make excuses, Scripture is for the a guidance of the GOD_fearing not for egos to expound and display their knowledge of it.

USE THE SCRIPTURE TO GUIDE YOU NOT TONGUE LASH HUMAN BEINGS THAT GOD HAS CREATED AND SUSTAINED AND LOVES>

[Mujaheed]

There you go again confusing reality of what happened with that which Islam and the Messengers of ALLAH has instructed. You keep telling me about human beings that may have committed grave errors in judgement or they may have taken verses literally not unlike the way you go about your conclusions and conjecture.

So then you agree that the Islamic First Jihad, conquest of nearly the whole known world, was of Satan?

The Quran and Sunnah are guides for mankind, SCRIPTURES ARE SENT TO GUIDE MANKIND, inorder for me to answer you correctly Iwould have to give you an entire history lesson on the political agendas of some Khalifs,

There is no taqiyyah in me I dont hide my identity or make excuses, Scripture is for the a guidance of the GOD_fearing not for egos to expound and display their knowledge of it.

USE THE SCRIPTURE TO GUIDE YOU NOT TONGUE LASH HUMAN BEINGS THAT GOD HAS CREATED AND SUSTAINED AND LOVES>

ARE YOU AN ALLY OF SATAN PETER THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO SING HIS PRAISES AND GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR THE WORLD ALTERING EVENTS?
IS SATAN IN CONTROL OF YOU AND MANY OTHERS LIKE YOU?

MY SHORT ANSWER IS I THE MUSLIMS REPRESENT EVERYTHING THAT IS LOVED BY GOD AND HATED BY SATAN AND THE REST OF WORLD IS DOING EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.

YOU ARE AN ENEMY OF GOD AND NOW YOU APPEAR TO BE THE ALLY OF SATAN : THAT JUST PROVES THAT ISLAM IS THE RIGHT PATH>

[Peter]

There you go again confusing reality of what happened with that which Islam and the Messengers of ALLAH has instructed. You keep telling me about human beings that may have committed grave errors in judgement or they may have taken verses literally not unlike the way you go about your conclusions and conjecture.

So then you agree that the Islamic First Jihad, conquest of nearly the whole known world, was of Satan?

The Quran and Sunnah are guides for mankind, SCRIPTURES ARE SENT TO GUIDE MANKIND, inorder for me to answer you correctly Iwould have to give you an entire history lesson on the political agendas of some Khalifs,

There is no taqiyyah in me I dont hide my identity or make excuses, Scripture is for the a guidance of the GOD_fearing not for egos to expound and display their knowledge of it.

USE THE SCRIPTURE TO GUIDE YOU NOT TONGUE LASH HUMAN BEINGS THAT GOD HAS CREATED AND SUSTAINED AND LOVES>

ARE YOU AN ALLY OF SATAN PETER THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO SING HIS PRAISES AND GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR THE WORLD ALTERING EVENTS?
IS SATAN IN CONTROL OF YOU AND MANY OTHERS LIKE YOU?

MY SHORT ANSWER IS I THE MUSLIMS REPRESENT EVERYTHING THAT IS LOVED BY GOD AND HATED BY SATAN AND THE REST OF WORLD IS DOING EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.

When I suggested that the rape, pillage and plunder of the imperialistic conquest of the Islamic First Jihad, was ordered by the Quran and Hadith, you replied that

"WAR IS ONLY PERMISSIBLE WHEN THERE IS AN AGGRESSOR: YOU READING THE VERSE WITHOUT COMPLETING IT OR CONTEXTUALIZING IT>"

But imperialistic conquest makes Islam the aggressor. You can't have it both ways Muj. You even accused:

There you go again confusing reality of what happened with that which Islam and the Messengers of ALLAH has instructed. You keep telling me about human beings that may have committed grave errors in judgement or they may have taken verses literally not unlike the way you go about your conclusions and conjecture.

Now you seem to be saying that the aggression of the imperialistic conquest of the Islamic First Jihad, of nearly the whole known world, was "loved by God". Which is it?

[Mujaheed]

There you go again confusing reality of what happened with that which Islam and the Messengers of ALLAH has instructed. You keep telling me about human beings that may have committed grave errors in judgement or they may have taken verses literally not unlike the way you go about your conclusions and conjecture.

So then you agree that the Islamic First Jihad, conquest of nearly the whole known world, was of Satan?

The Quran and Sunnah are guides for mankind, SCRIPTURES ARE SENT TO GUIDE MANKIND, inorder for me to answer you correctly Iwould have to give you an entire history lesson on the political agendas of some Khalifs,

There is no taqiyyah in me I dont hide my identity or make excuses, Scripture is for the a guidance of the GOD_fearing not for egos to expound and display their knowledge of it.

USE THE SCRIPTURE TO GUIDE YOU NOT TONGUE LASH HUMAN BEINGS THAT GOD HAS CREATED AND SUSTAINED AND LOVES>

ARE YOU AN ALLY OF SATAN PETER THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO SING HIS PRAISES AND GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR THE WORLD ALTERING EVENTS?
IS SATAN IN CONTROL OF YOU AND MANY OTHERS LIKE YOU?

MY SHORT ANSWER IS I THE MUSLIMS REPRESENT EVERYTHING THAT IS LOVED BY GOD AND HATED BY SATAN AND THE REST OF WORLD IS DOING EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.

When I suggested that the rape, pillage and plunder of the imperialistic conquest of the Islamic First Jihad, was ordered by the Quran and Hadith, you replied:

There you go again confusing reality of what happened with that which Islam and the Messengers of ALLAH has instructed. You keep telling me about human beings that may have committed grave errors in judgement or they may have taken verses literally not unlike the way you go about your conclusions and conjecture.

Now you seem to be saying that the Islamic First Jihad conquest of nearly the whole known world was "loved by God". Which is it?

I am saying the act was a catalyst for mankind, the 1000 years of islamic Conquests and change from Spain in the west to as far as Java and malaysia in the far east to Africa in the South benefitted mankind to the greatest degree possible for humanity.

I am saying examine the history books properly and find the truth about the mercy that is prevailing due to the Messenger Muhammad

I am saying the Jihad (Striving for ALLAH) has resulted in mankind finding themselves in the modern era. It built the foundation. just like it did for all the preceding Prophets of ALLAH. (DAVID IS ONE EXAMPLE) while his triumph was confined to a city Muhammad's Triumph extends to the entire mankind.

[Peter]

I am saying the act was a catalyst for mankind, the 1000 years of islamic Conquests and change from Spain in the west to as far as Java and malaysia in the far east to Africa in the South benefitted mankind to the greatest degree possible for humanity.

Come on Muj. Of what benefit to mankind? Institutionalizing inbreeding?
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1844.0
Subjugating others to prostrating themselves to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca?
Getting others to follow Satan by DISbelieving the whole subject of the Gospel, to REJECT the blood that would save them, and DENY the Son of God?

I am saying examine the history books properly and find the truth about the mercy that is prevailing due to the Messenger Muhammad

I do. That's how I know your own books reveal Muhammad as a merciless mass murdering, child doing, female prisoner abusing, self-admitted terrorist and thief.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2364.0

I am saying the Jihad (Striving for ALLAH) has resulted in mankind finding themselves in the modern era.

But the exact opposite is true. Islam is still trying to take the world back into the dark ages. Nothing has changed over the last 100, or 1400 years Muj:

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live…The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities…but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa…and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.” - by Sir Winston Churchill - The River War, Vol. II, pp. 248-50, London; Longman, Green & Co., 1899

Simply compare Muslim's "achievements" to that of Jews:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2852.0

It built the foundation. ........

The foundation for Satan's slaughter of YHWH's people. From Muhammad's slaughter:

Sura 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things."

To today's Islam's slaughter:

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

....... just like it did for all the preceding Prophets of ALLAH. (DAVID IS ONE EXAMPLE) while his triumph was confined to a city Muhammad's Triumph extends to the entire mankind.

It is pure blasphemy to compare such a hate filled moral reprobate, with any prophet of the scriptures.

[Mujaheed]

I am saying the act was a catalyst for mankind, the 1000 years of islamic Conquests and change from Spain in the west to as far as Java and malaysia in the far east to Africa in the South benefitted mankind to the greatest degree possible for humanity.

Come on Muj. Of what benefit to mankind? Institutionalizing inbreeding?
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1844.0
Subjugating others to prostrating themselves to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca?
Getting others to follow Satan by DISbelieving the whole subject of the Gospel, to REJECT the blood that would save them, and DENY the Son of God?

I am saying examine the history books properly and find the truth about the mercy that is prevailing due to the Messenger Muhammad

I do. That's how I know your own books reveal Muhammad as a merciless mass murdering, child doing, female prisoner abusing, self-admitted terrorist and thief.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2364.0

I am saying the Jihad (Striving for ALLAH) has resulted in mankind finding themselves in the modern era.

But the exact opposite is true. Islam is still trying to take the world back into the dark ages. Nothing has changed over the last 100, or 1400 years Muj:

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live…The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities…but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa…and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.” - by Sir Winston Churchill - The River War, Vol. II, pp. 248-50, London; Longman, Green & Co., 1899

Simply compare Muslim's "achievements" to that of Jews:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2852.0

It built the foundation. ........

The foundation for Satan's slaughter of YHWH's people. From Muhammad's slaughter:

Sura 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things."

To today's Islam's slaughter:

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

....... just like it did for all the preceding Prophets of ALLAH. (DAVID IS ONE EXAMPLE) while his triumph was confined to a city Muhammad's Triumph extends to the entire mankind.

It is pure blasphemy to compare such a hate filled moral reprobate, with any prophet of the scriptures.

I dont know what to say to someone as vile as you, you deny scipture everytime you post an answer, you lying i you say you read the history of the world from the 6th to the 16th century,

You lying when you say you read the Quran

You are lying when you make false accusation against the Mercy unto All mankind

And you are not saying anything in all posts for the sake of truth or the Sake of GOD

YOU are arrogantly expounding your dimwitted view of reality and interpreting the book according to your own limited intellect unwilling to take the beam out of your eye and accept that

1. GOD created all human beings and chose from amongst us Prophets and Messengers to lead mankind to GOD.
2. GOD chose the lineage of Abraham to lead mankind with Scripture, Starting with the Bani Israel (CHILDREN OF JACOB)
3, BANI ISRAEL WENT ASTRAY FOR THE VERY SAME REASON YOU GOING ASTRAY IN YOUR BELIEF. PRIDE, CONJECTURE, UNFOUNDED CONCLUSIONS AND WRITING THINGS AND SAYING THIS IS FROM "GOD"

YOUR VERSION OF THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PEACE BE UPON) shows me what evil and vileness your religion turns to in its quest to mislead mankind, from the truth.

YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM THE Jews in the time of the Greeks that distorted the Torah and the Message of the previous Prophets, You no different to the Romans that Modified the Teachings of Jesus and reworded the bible to fit in with Roman pagan Customs,

You love to quote from Pagan Greek sources and you have no inclination towards the truth,

If you had any understanding of belief in ONE GOD a singular UNIQUE and Indivisible (any manifestation should followed but not be worshipped) you would know truth from falsehood

An enemy of GOD is my enemy, as falshood has been cause of bloodshed, you quote the Quran qithout context you say things out of ignorance and the achievement of the JEWS is nothing compared to that of 1000 years of Islamic achievements upon which the achievement of the Jews is built.

[Peter]

I am saying the act was a catalyst for mankind, the 1000 years of islamic Conquests and change from Spain in the west to as far as Java and malaysia in the far east to Africa in the South benefitted mankind to the greatest degree possible for humanity.

Come on Muj. Of what benefit to mankind? Institutionalizing inbreeding?
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1844.0
Subjugating others to prostrating themselves to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca?
Getting others to follow Satan by DISbelieving the whole subject of the Gospel, to REJECT the blood that would save them, and DENY the Son of God?

I am saying examine the history books properly and find the truth about the mercy that is prevailing due to the Messenger Muhammad

I do. That's how I know your own books reveal Muhammad as a merciless mass murdering, child doing, female prisoner abusing, self-admitted terrorist and thief.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2364.0

I am saying the Jihad (Striving for ALLAH) has resulted in mankind finding themselves in the modern era.

But the exact opposite is true. Islam is still trying to take the world back into the dark ages. Nothing has changed over the last 100, or 1400 years Muj:

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live…The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities…but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa…and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.” - by Sir Winston Churchill - The River War, Vol. II, pp. 248-50, London; Longman, Green & Co., 1899

Simply compare Muslim's "achievements" to that of Jews:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2852.0

It built the foundation. ........

The foundation for Satan's slaughter of YHWH's people. From Muhammad's slaughter:

Sura 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things."

To today's Islam's slaughter:

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

....... just like it did for all the preceding Prophets of ALLAH. (DAVID IS ONE EXAMPLE) while his triumph was confined to a city Muhammad's Triumph extends to the entire mankind.

It is pure blasphemy to compare such a hate filled moral reprobate, with any prophet of the scriptures.

I dont know what to say to someone as vile as you, .........

I think we need to get straight just who's vile:

Sahih Bukhari B52 #177 Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "the Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.  (Book #58, Hadith #236)

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

It was your own child doing self-admitted terrorist, thief.

......... you deny scipture everytime you post an answer, you lying i you say you read the history of the world from the 6th to the 16th century,

You lying when you say you read the Quran

I have read every single word in the Quran, and even in the chronological order of when the chapters were revealed.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=609.0

But it only requires a single verse to know Muhammad taught the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel, and a second one to confirm that Muhammad and his followers are antichrists.

Have you read every word of the New Testament through which the Messiah is revealed?

You are lying when you make false accusation against the Mercy unto All mankind

If I lie, then it is because what I quote from your own books is a lie, and I agree with that. What you mean is that I don't lie as the Islamic hypocrites do, that pretend Islam's books order Muhammad's followers to do something other than what they in fact do.

"Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its Pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah is made superior and He becomes the only God who may be worshiped. By Jihad Islam is propagated and made superior. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position. Their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, and Muslim rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape this duty dies as a hypocrite." page 580 of Maktba Dar-us-Salam's Sahih Al-Bukhari

Just because you choose to die as an Islamic hypocrite, and according to the scriptures an antichrist, doesn't indicate that I'm the one that is the liar. Who does God make the liar?

1Jo 5:10    He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

And you are not saying anything in all posts for the sake of truth or the Sake of GOD

YOU are arrogantly expounding your dimwitted view of reality and interpreting the book according to your own limited intellect .......

As you can see from the quote above I am not interpreting, but relying on Muhammad's followers to interpret, who would be just as happy to cut your head off as a hypocrite, as they would mine for being one of the "people of the book".

........ unwilling to take the beam out of your eye and accept that

1. GOD created all human beings and chose from amongst us Prophets and Messengers to lead mankind to GOD.

Yet the false prophet that you follow professed the exact opposite of all of the prophets and witnesses of the one true God YHWH.

2. GOD chose the lineage of Abraham to lead mankind with Scripture, Starting with the Bani Israel (CHILDREN OF JACOB)

That's right. The seed of Isaac through his son Jacob.

Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

So where does that leave the seed of Ishmael, who prostrate themselves to an Arabian pagan black stone idol, and reject the whole subject of the Gospel and all of the prophets and witnesses in the kingdom of God, if they don't repent?

Luk 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you [yourselves] thrust out.

Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him [that was born] after the Spirit, even so [it is] now.

You can be a part of that inheritance too Muj, instead one the seed of Ishmael - the children of the flesh.

3, BANI ISRAEL WENT ASTRAY FOR THE VERY SAME REASON YOU GOING ASTRAY IN YOUR BELIEF. ........

But it is you that has been taught to walk specifically in UNbelief. To DISbelieve the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, and REJECT the blood of the Lamb of God that would save you, and DENY the Son of God. It is you that is ordered to fight the "people of the book" just as the false prophet did and his true followers do today. That is because Satan led Muhammad, just as he does Muhammad's murderous followers, today.

........ PRIDE, CONJECTURE, UNFOUNDED CONCLUSIONS .......

They aren't conclusions, but matters of fact. The FACT IS that you are required to DISbelieve the whole subject of the Gospel as an article of your faith in the false prophet Muhammad.
You are required to DENY the Son of God as an article of your faith in the false prophet Muhammad.

...... AND WRITING THINGS AND SAYING THIS IS FROM "GOD"

I quote from the Word of God to show you what comes from God, and I quote from the Quran and Hadith to show you what comes from Satan, through his prophet Muhammad.

Carrot:

1 John 4:3 .......... Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.    5  They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.    6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.    7  Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.    8  He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.    9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.    10  Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.   11  Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.    12  No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.    13  Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.    14  And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.    15  Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.    16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.    17  Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.    18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.    19  We love him, because he first loved us.    20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?    21  And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

Stick:

Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Jhn 3:36    He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Your choice. The love of God or incurring the wrath of God. Carrot or stick, either way, if you don't repent the scriptures are pretty specific about what happens depending on your choice.

Why don't you show me through the scriptures, where God indicates we are supposed to prostrate ourselves five times a day, to the very same black stone idol the Quraish pagan moon god worshipers venerated in Mecca.

YOUR VERSION OF THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PEACE BE UPON) shows me what evil and vileness your religion turns to in its quest to mislead mankind, from the truth.

You refuse to see it through the "carrot", so sometimes I feel obligated to mix in a little "stick", particularly since that's how Muhammad's phony god revealed himself to you since about 1 out of every 9 verses in the Quran detail punishment.
And I'm sorry Muj, but your own books reveal Muhammad the way I describe, through the suras I quote. I point it out to you, to show you he was the EXACT OPPOSITE of our sinless Messiah, in word and deed.

Matthew 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them, 18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again.

YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM THE Jews in the time of the Greeks that distorted the Torah and the Message of the previous Prophets, You no different to the Romans that Modified the Teachings of Jesus and reworded the bible ...........

Sure. And somehow the 5300 partial or complete manuscripts that we have that date to even before 300 AD, were all erased, and changed so that the WHOLE SUBJECT became the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the Gospel had been. Both in Old Testament prophecy and New Testament fulfillment:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/isaiah_53.htm

You accuse conjecture, but who's the conspicuous liar now, Muj? Who did God make the liar?

1Jo 5:10    He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

........... to fit in with Roman pagan Customs,

You love to quote from Pagan Greek sources and you have no inclination towards the truth,

If you had any understanding of belief in ONE GOD a singular UNIQUE and Indivisible (any manifestation should followed but not be worshipped) you would know truth from falsehood

An enemy of GOD is my enemy, ..........

But what you mean is that an enemy of MUHAMMAD is an enemy of yours. That includes not only all of the "people of the book" but all non-Muslims. Yet you seem ignorant to your own books:

Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

You see, for a Christian or a Jew to testify to that, would be to commit 100% PURE UNADULTERATED BLASPHEMY against the ONE TRUE GOD as He revealed Himself through our scriptures. Yet it's Muhammad's true followers job to fight us until we do.
It's how we can rest assured that you fight in the cause of SATAN ALONE. The Banu Qurayza were willing to be beheaded rather than have Muhammad jam his lies down their throats:

Ishaq:462/Tabari VIII:30 "The Jews said, 'We will never abandon the Torah or exchange it for the Qur'an.' Asad said, 'Since you reject this proposal of mine, then kill your children and your wives and go out to Muhammad and his Companions as men who brandish swords, leaving behind no impediments to worry you. If you die, you shall have left nothing behind; if you win you shall find other women and children.' The Jews replied, 'Why would we kill these poor ones? What would be the good of living after them?'"

Tens of thousands of Christians are killed around the world every year, for refusing to renounce Jesus Christ, just as has been going on since the first century.
Being martyred for Christ today, when Muhammad's followers demand they renounce Jesus Christ.

........ as falshood has been cause of bloodshed, .......

No it's false followers of the Gospel, but TRUE FOLLOWERS OF MUHAMMAD that have been the cause of bloodshed, over the last 1400 years.

........ you quote the Quran qithout context ........

Why don't you tell us in what context a loving God is a racist?

Sahih Bukhari B52 #177 Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "the Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

........ you say things out of ignorance and the achievement of the JEWS is nothing compared to that of 1000 years of Islamic achievements upon which the achievement of the Jews is built.

Don't be ridiculous. Muhammad's followers didn't poison the Arab world until about 1400 years ago, when the false prophet Muhammad began the anti-intellectualism of Islam. The Arabs that lived up among the Greeks and Romans were highly civilized many centuries before the 7th century AD. For heaven's sake Muj, the first analog computer was built over 700 years before Muhammad was ever born.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

Islam must necessarily remain anti-intellectual, because otherwise Muhammad's followers would have to come to terms with the fact that Mecca never existed before the 4th century AD, which makes the entire pile of pre-4th century Mecca fiction, in Islamic so-called "tradition", nothing more than a provably preposterous farce.

Why don't you think long and hard about, that the next time you prostrate yourself to the Quraish pagan moon god worshiper's black stone idol.

[Mujaheed]

I am saying the act was a catalyst for mankind, the 1000 years of islamic Conquests and change from Spain in the west to as far as Java and malaysia in the far east to Africa in the South benefitted mankind to the greatest degree possible for humanity.

Why don't you think long and hard about, that the next time you prostrate yourself to the Quraish pagan moon god worshiper's black stone idol.

THIS ONE LINE SUMS UP YOUR LEVEL IGNORANCE: LET ME START AT THE BEGINNING;

I MUJAHEED HEREBY BEAR WITNESS AS  ALL THE PROPHETS DID THAT THERE IS NO DIETY WORTHY OF WORSGIP BUT ALLAH (ALMIGHTY GOD OF ALL CREATION)

I BEAR WITNESS THAT MUHAMMAD IS THE FINAL MESSENGER OF ALLAH,

WHAT YOU CONCLUDE AND YOUR CONJECTURE ABOUT ALLAH IS IRRELEVANT< ALLAH IS GOD THAT CREATED EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE: ALLAH IS UNIQUE HE DOES NOT BEAR CHILDREN NOR IS HE GIVEN BIRTH TO

I MUJAHEED OF ISLAM WORSHIPS NONE BUT ALLAH AND SEEKS NO AID BUT THAT ALLAH:

ALLAH IS THE GOD OF THE MOON THE SUN THE STARS THE EARTH AND THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE: (PLEASE DONT SAY ANYTHING TO CONTRARY AFTER I HAVE EXPLAINED TO YOU WHAT ALLAH IS< REPEATING SOMETHING THAT IS UNTRUE WILL NEVER MAKE IT TRUE:

I DONT WORSHIP BUILDINGS OR STONES OR HUMAN BEINGS:

MY  RELIGION IS THE RELIGION OF ALL THE PROPHETS THAT CAME BEFORE THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD AND AND THE ONE CHOSEN FOR MANKIND: ISLAM

ISLAM HAS TAKEN YOUR PEOPLE (EUROPEANS OUT OF THE FILTHY DARK AGES) THE GREEKS ARE TOO THIS DAY TOO UNSOPHISTICATED TO EBVEN RUN A SMALL COUNTRY PROPERLY THEY RAN IT INTO THE GROUND

[Peter]

ISLAM HAS TAKEN YOUR PEOPLE (EUROPEANS OUT OF THE FILTHY DARK AGES).....

Yet after 343 posts, it seems you still haven't been able to figure out how to simply click on the "quote" function in the upper right of a post, and type after the last [/ quote] tag.

[Peter]

THIS ONE LINE SUMS UP YOUR LEVEL IGNORANCE: LET ME START AT THE BEGINNING;

I MUJAHEED HEREBY BEAR WITNESS AS  ALL THE PROPHETS DID THAT THERE IS NO DIETY WORTHY OF WORSGIP BUT ALLAH (ALMIGHTY GOD OF ALL CREATION)

I BEAR WITNESS THAT MUHAMMAD IS THE FINAL MESSENGER OF ALLAH,

WHAT YOU CONCLUDE AND YOUR CONJECTURE ABOUT ALLAH IS IRRELEVANT< ALLAH IS GOD THAT CREATED EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE: ALLAH IS UNIQUE HE DOES NOT BEAR CHILDREN NOR IS HE GIVEN BIRTH TO

I MUJAHEED OF ISLAM WORSHIPS NONE BUT ALLAH AND SEEKS NO AID BUT THAT ALLAH:

ALLAH IS THE GOD OF THE MOON THE SUN THE STARS THE EARTH AND THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE: (PLEASE DONT SAY ANYTHING TO CONTRARY AFTER I HAVE EXPLAINED TO YOU WHAT ALLAH IS< REPEATING SOMETHING THAT IS UNTRUE WILL NEVER MAKE IT TRUE:

I DONT WORSHIP BUILDINGS OR STONES OR HUMAN BEINGS:

If the Quraish pagan's deity "Allah" doesn't live in a little black box in Mecca, and the black stone doesn't represent the Quraish pagan's deity "Allah", then why do you prostrate yourself toward it? There is only one reason that you do, and that is because Muhammad told his followers to. Just like you run back and forth between al-Safa and al-Marwah as the Arabian jinn-devil worshipers did, purely because Muhammad told you to. This is another way we know you reject all of the prophets and witnesses of the one true God, to follow Muhammad alone.

MY  RELIGION IS THE RELIGION OF ALL THE PROPHETS THAT CAME BEFORE THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD AND AND THE ONE CHOSEN FOR MANKIND: ISLAM

But your religion is provably nothing more than thinly veneered Quraish pagan moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship. Even you know that Abraham smashed all his father's idols. ALL OF THEM! He didn't keep one aside to venerate the way Muhammad kept the Quraish pagan's black stone idol. Perhaps the one true God even arranged to smash the very idol that you venerate to bits, yet Muslims cobbled the pieces back together, and continue to venerate it even today.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2039.0

[Peter]

ISLAM HAS TAKEN YOUR PEOPLE (EUROPEANS OUT OF THE FILTHY DARK AGES) ......

Really???!!! Can't even you see, that those on the left, remain in darkness?

1Jo 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.



How, by institutionalizing inbreeding and child rape, by dirty old lechers?
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1844.0

..... THE GREEKS ARE TOO THIS DAY TOO UNSOPHISTICATED TO EBVEN RUN A SMALL COUNTRY PROPERLY THEY RAN IT INTO THE GROUND

Phony money has always done that, throughout the history of the world.
To get an idea of what the Greeks and Romans were like - centuries before Muhammad and into the Christian era - simply google - ancient greek technology - or - ancient roman engineering.

The Quraish pagans couldn't even build their pagan kaaba squarely! All four sides are different lengths!

[Peter]

ISLAM HAS TAKEN YOUR PEOPLE (EUROPEANS OUT OF THE FILTHY DARK AGES) THE GREEKS ARE TOO THIS DAY TOO UNSOPHISTICATED .....

Really? This from a guy that prostrates himself to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol, embedded in a pagan kaaba, located in a town that didn't even exist before the 4th century AD.

http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1844.0
"Lowered intellectual capacity is another devastating consequence of Muslim marriage patterns. According to Sennels, research shows that children of consanguinous marriages lose 10-16 points off their IQ and that social abilities develop much slower in inbred babies.

The risk of having an IQ lower than 70, the official demarcation for being classified as “retarded,” increases by an astonishing 400 percent among children of cousin marriages.

(Similar effects were seen in the Pharaonic dynasties in ancient Egypt and in the British royal family, where inbreeding was the norm for a significant period of time.)

In Denmark, non-Western immigrants are more than 300 percent more likely to fail the intelligence test required for entrance into the Danish army.

Sennels says that “the ability to enjoy and produce knowledge and abstract thinking is simply lower in the Islamic world.” He points out that the Arab world translates just 330 books every year, about 20% of what Greece alone does.

In the last 1,200 years years of Islam, just 100,000 books have been translated into Arabic, about what Spain does in a single year. Seven out of 10 Turks have never even read a book.

Sennels points out the difficulties this creates for Muslims seeking to succeed in the West. “A lower IQ, together with a religion that denounces critical thinking, surely makes it harder for many Muslims to have success in our high-tech knowledge societies.”

Only nine Muslims have every won the Nobel Prize, and five of those were for the “Peace Prize.” According to Nature magazine, Muslim countries produce just 10 percent of the world average when it comes to scientific research (measured by articles per million inhabitants).

In Denmark, Sennels’ native country, Muslim children are grossly overrepresented among children with special needs. One-third of the budget for Danish schools is consumed by special education, and anywhere from 51% to 70% of retarded children with physical handicaps in Copenhagen have an immigrant background.

Learning ability is severely affected as well. Studies indicated that 64% of school children with Arabic parents are still illiterate after 10 years in the Danish school system. The immigrant drop-out rate in Danish high schools is twice that of the native-born.

Mental illness is also a product. The closer the blood relative, the higher the risk of schizophrenic illness. The increased risk of insanity may explain why more than 40% of the patients in Denmark’s biggest ward for clinically insane criminals have an immigrant background."
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1844.0

I'm going to lock this thread temporarily so that you can focus on the questions I have asked repeatedly over the last two weeks. Our time is being wasted with redundant posts. Please do not post in any other threads until we cover this subject. Then we will go back and work one thread at a time.
The questions were posed at this link:

http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14225#msg14225