Serpent Seed chat Joen Eriksen (split off chat with Biblewolf)

[Joen Eriksen]

Eve is lying in gen 4:1 (compare psalms 94:4) the kenites did survive the flood and infiltrate the israelites(1 chron 2:55, 1 samuel 15:6) ezra 2 43-59 TALLS YOU IN VERSE 59 THAT THE GENEALOGY OF THESE INDIVIDUALS COULD NOT BE VERIFIED. AND IF cain is not t seed of t serpent then why does jesus call the fake jews serpents of their father the devil in MATT 23:29?
Biblewolf 1 day ago

Eve was in fact not trying to cover up by lying about this child of her! She was wrong, yes. But she did not lye in purpose. She realy thought that the prophecy to the woman about conceiving a son of salvation was that first born son, Cain. But it was in fact not time for man, to eat of the tree of life. She failed in her doctrine. And that is why she is not allowed to teach. First she was sedused and then she misunderstood the prophecy about the coming of the Lord in flesh. The name Cain means "This is the Lord." She was totaly wrong about that, yes. Her interpretation of the prophecy to the woman could never be bore in error than what she said.

[Joen Eriksen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbKxdep4-2w

Why does God say the serpent has seed?
I'm not making any claims about Cain being the seed of Satan,but if Satan has seed,then he can have children.Right?

Cain was not the seed of Satan. He was the seed of the serpent. Satan is a spirit. The serpent was a beast of the field. An animal. Flesh and blood. What is born of flesh is flesh. What is born of spirit is spirit.  Cain was born of the will of flesh, the serpent sedusing Eve. Abel was born of the will of Man, Adam chosing to save his wife through childbearing. Jesus was born by the will of God.

[Peter]

HI Joen, and welcome to the forum!

Eve is lying in gen 4:1 (compare psalms 94:4) the kenites did survive the flood and infiltrate the israelites(1 chron 2:55, 1 samuel 15:6) ezra 2 43-59 TALLS YOU IN VERSE 59 THAT THE GENEALOGY OF THESE INDIVIDUALS COULD NOT BE VERIFIED. AND IF cain is not t seed of t serpent then why does jesus call the fake jews serpents of their father the devil in MATT 23:29?
Biblewolf 1 day ago

Eve was in fact not trying to cover up by lying about this child of her! She was wrong, yes. But she did not lye in purpose. She realy thought that the prophecy to the woman about conceiving a son of salvation was that first born son, Cain. But it was in fact not time for man, to eat of the tree of life. She failed in her doctrine. And that is why she is not allowed to teach. First she was sedused and then she misunderstood the prophecy about the coming of the Lord in flesh. The name Cain means "This is the Lord." She was totaly wrong about that, yes.

I see. So scripture is out to fool us by informing us that Cain was the result of a union between Adam and Eve, but perhaps you're smarter than to believe, what Jews and Christians have for about 3,500 years or so.

Her interpretation of the prophecy to the woman could never be bore in error than what she said.

So who are the people in the world today that are the progeny of the union you profess?

[Peter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbKxdep4-2w

Why does God say the serpent has seed?
I'm not making any claims about Cain being the seed of Satan,but if Satan has seed,then he can have children.Right?

Cain was not the seed of Satan. He was the seed of the serpent. Satan is a spirit. The serpent was a beast of the field. An animal.

Perhaps you didn't know this, but offspring cannot be produced, between the union of an animal and a human.

Flesh and blood. What is born of flesh is flesh. What is born of spirit is spirit.  Cain was born of the will of flesh, the serpent sedusing Eve. Abel was born of the will of Man, Adam chosing to save his wife through childbearing. Jesus was born by the will of God.

But let's first focus on the other thread.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3216.msg14330#msg14330

[Joen Eriksen]

I see. So scripture is out to fool us by informing us that Cain was the result of a union between Adam and Eve, but perhaps you're smarter than to believe, what Jews and Christians have for about 3,500 years or so.

Scripture are realy not easy to understand. Only revelation will get you to understand the deep thoughts of God.
Paul saw this truth and spoke about it when he said that after he was passed away there would come people in who would be drawing the church away from the faithfullness to Christ over to another christ just like the serpent did against the first church image. The woman, Eve. This sedusing of the church of Paul is the beginning of the church of Satan in the book of revelation.

So who are the people in the world today that are the progeny of the union you profess?

The result of the serpent seducing Eve created the sons and daughters of MAN. Adam was the father of the Sons and daughters of God. The number of Abels and Seth is 7 because of their father, Adam. Adam was created in the image of God. The man of the sabbath rest, seven. Eve was created in the image of man. The child that Eve got with the serpent, did get the status of being called MAN, but he also was begotten of the beast. The generation of Cain were carrying the number 6. And they were also called the serpent seed. And also Jesus talkes about this ancient problem.
Abel and Seth were "God sons" because of their father, Adam the son of God.
The generation of the serpent, Cain and his generation were wiped out when the tenth messenger of God, Noah came on the scene. But the seed of the serpent did in fact survive the flood, because of one of the sons of Noah taking himself a doughter of man to his wife. The sin of the days of Noah entered within the arch. Taking himself a daughter of man. The nature of the serpent then survived the flood because of his disobediense. Mingling himselve with a gentile wife. It was Ham who took himself a wife of the daughters of the generation of Cain. A daughters of MAN.
The giants with 6 fingers and toes were of the generation of the serpent. The israelites mingled themselves with their daughters and destroyed their good seed/nature by doing so. This is why all flesh is corrupted today. Gentiles and Jews are all the evil sinners and the good sinners. But when all have sin and have sinned, then what?
Then it is time to create the second Adam. A new Adam. A spiritual one. Not just in the image of God, but in the LIKENESS of God. In the likeness of sinfull flesh. But not in sinfull fles. New created flesh. The word became flesh...

[Peter]

I see. So scripture is out to fool us by informing us that Cain was the result of a union between Adam and Eve, but perhaps you're smarter than to believe, what Jews and Christians have for about 3,500 years or so.

Scripture are realy not easy to understand. Only revelation will get you to understand the deep thoughts of God.

I see. So "revelatin" is what gave you understanding the "deep thoughts of God" is what gives you the authority to run contrary to 3500 years worth of Judeo-Christian core doctrine.
Did he share His judgments with you too?

Paul saw this truth and spoke about it when he said that after he was passed away there would come people in who would be drawing the church away from the faithfullness to Christ over to another christ just like the serpent did against the first church image. The woman, Eve. This sedusing of the church of Paul is the beginning of the church of Satan in the book of revelation.

So who are the people in the world today that are the progeny of the union you profess?

The result of the serpent seducing Eve created the sons and daughters of MAN. Adam was the father of the Sons and daughters of God. The number of Abels and Seth is 7 because of their father, Adam. Adam was created in the image of God. The man of the sabbath rest, seven. Eve was created in the image of man. The child that Eve got with the serpent, did get the status of being called MAN, but he also was begotten of the beast. The generation of Cain were carrying the number 6. And they were also called the serpent seed. And also Jesus talkes about this ancient problem.
Abel and Seth were "God sons" because of their father, Adam the son of God.
The generation of the serpent, Cain and his generation were wiped out when the tenth messenger of God, Noah came on the scene. But the seed of the serpent did in fact survive the flood, because of one of the sons of Noah taking himself a doughter of man to his wife. The sin of the days of Noah entered within the arch. Taking himself a daughter of man. The nature of the serpent then survived the flood because of his disobediense. Mingling himselve with a gentile wife. It was Ham who took himself a wife of the daughters of the generation of Cain. A daughters of MAN.
The giants with 6 fingers and toes were of the generation of the serpent. The israelites mingled themselves with their daughters and destroyed their good seed/nature by doing so. This is why all flesh is corrupted today. Gentiles and Jews are all the evil sinners and the good sinners. But when all have sin and have sinned, then what?
Then it is time to create the second Adam. A new Adam. A spiritual one. Not just in the image of God, but in the LIKENESS of God. In the likeness of sinfull flesh. But not in sinfull fles. New created flesh. The word became flesh...

Perhaps you can try a more specific answer this time.
All I could glean from your post is that sinners are today's progeny of the seed of Cain.
But then that would suggest than non-sinners would be the progeny of the seed of Able.
But since there is no such thing that would make us all seed of Cain.

[Joen Eriksen]

All I could glean from your post is that sinners are today's progeny of the seed of Cain.
But then that would suggest than non-sinners would be the progeny of the seed of Able.
But since there is no such thing that would make us all seed of Cain.

The nature of sin is all from the serpent. Adam was the nature of God. There is no sin in God. No sin in the nature of God. No sin in Adam.
The people of God, the sons of God, inherited their sinful nature from their forefathers...1.Peter 1:18 Not from Adam. So, in the beginning the sons of Adam were not sinner by nature, as also the scripture says wery clear:
GALATIANS 2:15
We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

The sinful nature is not from Adam but from the forefathers. The Jewish forefathers who mingled themselves with gentiles. They mingled the holy seed with gentiles all the time. And that corrupted them to the bones.
In Eden, Eve and the serpent. At the time of Noah, Ham and his wife of man. At the time of Abraham, Esau and his error in taking himself gentile wives. At the time of Moses and so on... They corrupted their good nature by mingling themselves with gentiles.

The holy generation came from Seth. Seth in the place of Abel. Seth is the image of the ressurrection of Abel. Which also his name means. And Seth also was a man in the image of Adam, the son of God. He was a God son like his Father.

Cain was a murderer like his father, the serpent. The serpent killed Eve, well knowing that doing what he did, would cause her to die. He, the serpent did have that murderer nature, not Adam.
Adam was the savior of his own body. Adam saved his wife through childbearing. He started that new testament scripture saying that the woman shall be saved through childbearing. That was Adam.
Adam gave Eve the seed which was able to save her. The generation of Jesus Christ. She is to be saved through childbearing. Adam knew that. And she at last gave birth to the savior Jesus Christ.
She, the woman. But not that first woman, Eve.

The serpent was that close to human beings that it was possible to deceive Eve and even have a child with her. Beauty in the garden of Eden is all about bearing the image of God. The serpent did come close to the beauty of God. Adam was that beauty image of God.
So, you might call that serpent the missing link if you want. He was that missing link between mankind and the beasts of the field. The blood type of the serpent was a rhesis blood. Adam and eve were both the same blood. o negative.
Crack that code if you can. Without the bible you wont find this answer anywhere. The bible is the only book with giving such detailed info as far back as 6000 years with genes info from genes sis.
You might have heard about the mule. It is not in the original creation. Its a mix animal just like a liger is a result of a tiger and a lion.
Neither was the thorns and thistles in the original finished creation. They were allowed to exist after the word of God. They became a reality after Eve bearing Cain. Cain was the thorn and thistle in the side of his brother. The gentiles are called the thorns in the bible. We, the gentiles are the ones that God ponished Adam with, by letting us live... Letting Cain live.

The thorn in the flesh of Paul was a man, an unbeliever, who did not believe the gospel. He followed after Paul where ever he went, to make sure that the life of Paul was not without pain. Also foretold and after the will of God.

Hopefully this will specify and straighten it all out for you, and open your eyes for the sad news. The garden of eden realy became corrupted with sin by the beast that Adam called the serpent, long before Eve, the tree of knowledge, was even taken out of his side yet.

[Peter]

Crack that code if you can.

You agreed to conform to forum decorum as part of the terms of your joining this forum. Please review that section now.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=35.0

Then give substantive responses to my replies.

[Joen Eriksen]

Hi again Peter.

I realy do believe I have answered your question as good as I possible can.

My little joke remark about cracking that code is because of the so called book of genes, written in our days by the science of today.

That is why i wrote:

Crack that code if you can. Without the bible you wont find this answer anywhere. The bible is the only book with giving such detailed info as far back as 6000 years with genes info from genes sis.

All mankind descended from one man. Eve the mother of ALL living.

[Peter]

Hi again Peter.

I realy do believe I have answered your question as good as I possible can.

No you greeted my reply as an opportunity to include more blasphemy against the God of the bible while advancing the god of your own creation. If you can't provide a simple answer the whole lot will go to spam. In one sentence, what does your god teach, is the primary distinction between the seed of Cain and the seed of Able?

[Joen Eriksen]

what does your god teach, is the primary distinction between the seed of Cain and the seed of Able?

Good and evil is the distinct difference between the seed/generation of Cain and the nature of Abel, as foretold by God. Do not eat of the tree of knowledge of GOOD and EVIL. There only are these two children to look at to learn good from evil in the beginning. They are the fruits of the tree of knowledge.
Eve was the tree of knowledge. When she was known, children began to be born.

Study the law of the fig tree and you will discover a certain difference between this kind of tree and other trees. Another law within it. Not quite like the bee and the flower.

As far as we know it, when reading the bible we find that the seed/generation of Cain was EVIL. The seventh from the serpent, the sixth from Cain also was a murderer. And he was even seven times seven worse than his forefather, Cain who should be revenged seven times if anyone killed him.
The sign of Cain was his wife. Cain got his wife from Adam and Eve. Cain was made holy because of this holy wife of his. This also is according to the new testament statements.

Abel did never got time to have children. So we never came to know the nature of his seeds, his children. He did not get any. But we do know that the nature of Abel was GOOD. You have got the New testament statement on that one too.

We know the nature of the seed of Abel by the life of Abel thou. A good tree CANT bear evil fruits and vise versa. The life of Abel became an image of the offering of Jesus Christ. The message of Death became the message of Abel.

The message of Seth is the message of resurrection. A man PUT IN THE PLACE OF ABEL. A man raised in the plase of Abel. So the generation and the nature of Seth have to be counted as the nature of the seed of Abel. Seth was put there in his place. And he did it well.
GOOD SEED. The generation of Jesus Christ.

[Peter]

You are one step away from being banned, and your posts perhaps the first in forum history, to simply be deleted out of hand.
Now, in one sentence (the very part you cut off in your quote).

It can't be simply the difference between good and evil because that would mean that God condemns people genetically to destruction.

That's the kind of thing a servant of Satan would have been taught by Satan.
Why don't you simply answer which group you believe is from the seed of Cain?

The gentiles are called the thorns in the bible. We, the gentiles are the ones that God ponished Adam with, by letting us live... Letting Cain live.

Are you a self-loathing gentile that believes all gentiles are genetically predisposed to destruction?
Or do you hate Jews? Or blacks? Zionists perhaps?

[Peter]

Just noticed your note in in the youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbKxdep4-2w
I'll add it to your thread:

The serpent was not satan.The serpent was a beast of flesh and blood.Eve was trying to give name to her first born child and failed.Cain was not the promised seed of the woman.She thought so,but was proven wrong by the acts of Cain.Cain was the first HEDEN.God did not look to the offering of Cain.A FIELD,not looked after.

Claiming Brother William Branham to be in the same category like hitler.

It is his Serpent Seed doctrine is Hitlerian.

What an error. A man of healings and born again creatures by the millions. If they have called me belzebub

Todd Bentley claimed a lot of "healings" too. Came up empty-handed when asked to show some evidence. And there is certainly no shortage of folks that have deceived themselves into believing they are born again. Branham's Serpent Seed doctrine stands completely outside of about 3500 years of Judaism and nearly 2,000 years of universal Christian core doctrine. It is, however, found in gnosticism.

At least we've got a better idea as to where you are coming from now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Branham#Doctrine
"Branham's doctrine of serpent seed is still regarded as very controversial.[citation needed] He taught that eating the "fruit" in the Garden of Eden was taking heed of the devil's words which led to an act of sexual intercourse between Eve and the devil-possessed serpent, producing Cain as a result of their union.[98]"

"Criticism of Branham's ministry has focused not only on doctrinal differences, but on his belief in divine revelation through astronomical constellations and aspects of pyramidology.[104] This is based on his comment that "God wrote three Bibles".[105] He said these were the zodiac (see mazzaroth), the great pyramid and the Holy Bible."

"Branham said he had received seven major prophecies in 1933 regarding events unfolding in the world.[99] He predicted "that 1977 ought to terminate the world systems and usher in the millennium."
“    Based on these seven visions, along with the rapid changes which have swept the world in the last fifty years, I PREDICT (I do not prophesy) that these visions will have all come to pass by 1977. And though many may feel that this is an irresponsible statement in view of the fact that Jesus said that 'no man knoweth the day nor the hour.' I still maintain this prediction after thirty years because, Jesus did NOT say no man could know the year, month or week in which His coming was to be completed. So I repeat, I sincerely believe and maintain as a private student of the Word, along with Divine inspiration that 1977 ought to terminate the world systems and usher in the millennium.[100]”

Branham claimed to have made several prophecies, including the Second Coming of Christ.[101] This included a prophecy that "the city of Los Angeles would 'sink beneath the ocean'" and that a tidal wave would sweep inland as far as the Salton Sea.[102]"


"The folly of interpreters has been to foretell times and things by this prophecy [Revelation], as if God designed to make them prophets. By this rashness they have not only exposed themselves, but brought the prophecy also into contempt. The design of God was much otherwise. He gave this and the prophecies of the Old Testament, not to gratify men's curiosities by enabling them to foreknow things, but that after they were fulfilled they might be interpreted by the event, and his own providence, not the interpreters', be then manifested thereby to the world. For the event of things predicted many ages before will then be a convincing argument that the world is governed by Providence." - Sir Isaac Newton

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

[Peter]

I moved this back out of spam thinking you might have thought your opportunity to engage in an exchange had been removed before your last opportunity to do so.

After seeing that you follow Branham I moved it back into this section, rather than the section for folks with gods of their own creation where it was headed, as your posts indicated you follow a god of your own creation, or an unclean spirit posing as God whispering a doctrine into your ear, so contrary to fundamental Christianity.

Since you refused to offer clear concise answers, but instead simply stuck in more fog of your heresy, then let me try another question to begin, that I also alluded to earlier. Please quit hiding what you believe. Let us know what you have been taught, who taught it to you, and what groups it causes you segregate from other. If you weren't ashamed of these details, there would have been no reason for you not to be right up front with answers, to questions. You aren't hiding the answers to these questions, that are in your heart, from Jesus.

Do you believe God allowed for some people, to have a genetic predisposition to sin, and thus an increased chance of destruction?

Yes or no?

[ExMilitary]

Don't Romans 5 and 1 Corinthians 15 just completely settle this issue?

[Joen Eriksen]

Do you believe God allowed for some people, to have a genetic predisposition to sin, and thus an increased chance of destruction?

Yes or no?

To me this question seems like a yes, if we were living in the old testament. God allowed the thorns to live you know. They were worse sinners. Destructive murderers. They were destroyed for their sins.

If we look at the power of the gospel of today then:
Todays sinners have no advance in being a less sinner than other sinners. When God reveals himself to man, he also gives power to become a child of God, if we repent form our own ways.

If we take man in general without God in this world then:
Being of an evil nature is destructive and that is why we put that kind of people away to our prisons. To destructive to be free.

I could of cause have said both yes and no, but I think this longer yes and no answer is the more correct answer.

[Peter]

Don't Romans 5 and 1 Corinthians 15 just completely settle this issue?

Indeed. The operative word being ALL.
But Serpent Seed teaches "but some are genetically programmed to sin more than others"

The operative verse being:

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

So my just God wouldn't allow a genetic propensity to disadvantage anyone from being with Him.
That would make my great God like Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah".
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2165.0

[Peter]

Do you believe God allowed for some people, to have a genetic predisposition to sin, and thus an increased chance of destruction?

Yes or no?

To me this question seems like a yes, if we were living in the old testament.

How did the genes of this group change as a result of the new covenant?
They didn't, so their increased propensity toward their destruction would not change.

Now why don't you tell me who you have been taught the seed of Cain are?
Fake Jews that Murray refers to as Kenites?

God allowed the thorns to live you know. They were worse sinners. Destructive murderers. They were destroyed for their sins.

If we look at the power of the gospel of today then:
Todays sinners have no advance in being a less sinner than other sinners. When God reveals himself to man, he also gives power to become a child of God, if we repent form our own ways.

If we take man in general without God in this world then:
Being of an evil nature is destructive and that is why we put that kind of people away to our prisons. To destructive to be free.

I could of cause have said both yes and no, but I think this longer yes and no answer is the more correct answer.

I realize how guilt might make you want to try to excuse away and soft-peddle, the reality of your doctrine, and subsequent belief in an unjust God. That's why you are trying to turn what you have been taught, is a genetic propensity, into a spiritual condition. It would make me feel pretty lousy inside too. That may well be the Holy Spirit knocking on your heart.

So who have you been trained to denigrate? Jews ..... errrrr Kenites? Zionists?
Please don't obfuscate, but simply answer honestly, and we can help you start clearing things up.

[Peter]

I just posted the following to a bunch of stark raving blind futurists in another forum. Maybe it can help you see too.

If the virtual absence of history of John Nelson Darby's ("7-year" tribulation "pre-trib" "rapture") doctrine in the church prior Darby's 19th century pen weren't enough, then how about the fact that his doctrine necessarily precludes Darby's followers from even considering that Muhammad could be the false prophet for the book of Revelation, even though 1/4 of mankind must deny the Son of God and reject his shed blood as articles of their faith in Muhammad, and commit the most egregious and ONLY unforgivable sin in their cult, if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God or even pray in His name. A sin worse than child rape or mass murder.

Yet John Nelson Darby's 19th century "future" "7-year" tribulation eschatology prevents his followers from even considering that Muhammad could be THE false prophet and Islam his kingdom "beast" (the only hermeneutically supportable conclusion) even though Muhammad's followers are commanded to either kill, or subjugate all non-Muslims to denying the Son of God and rejecting His crucifixion and saving shed blood, and instead prostrate toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day, while praying in the "vain repetitions of the heathen" in the names of the Arabian pagan's deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad. Even compelled to attend the pagan Arabian's ritual of the Hajj.

Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

Compelled to testify to pure blasphemy against the one true God of the bible.
Yet futurists are compelled to believe that the false prophet and the beast are fixtures of some future someday, while partial-preterists are compelled to believe he was a fixture of the first century while being in abject confusion as to just who he was.
What does your doctrine teach you to believe Joen? The quasi futurism and demonstrated false prophecy of Arnold Murray?

[Joen Eriksen]

After seeing that you follow Branham I moved it back into this section

I am a follower of Jesus Christ, and him alone. I listen to my brothers.

I have been listening to my brother Branham, and he gives a lot of good thoughts to the christian world. But they just wont listen, would they? They cut him of before having the chance of listening to what he have to say. At least today, that is. Just like Pilate did to Jesus. Pilate asked the right person, Jesus, what is truth, and went out again... He was so occupied with his own judgement that he had not time listening to Jesus Christ the true God.

I realize how guilt might make you want to try to excuse away and soft-peddle, the reality of your doctrine, and subsequent belief in an unjust God. It would make me feel pretty lousy inside too.
So who is it? Jews ..... errrrr Kenites? Zionists? Please don't obfuscate.

No, not at all. No guilt and no excuse away... I have been saying all along that the good generation of the Israelites have been destroying their advance of being sons of God by mingling themselves with us gentiles.
If you want me to say that Kenites are the sons of Cain, then that doesn´t matter, do it. All sons of Cain were killed in the flood. The thing that matter regarding the flood is that Ham took himself a daugther of the sons of man. He took himself a daughter of the generation of Cain. And that is what survived the arch. A woman with the genes of Cain. Ham became the forefather of the canaanites. Do you understand what I am saying? The nature of the canaanites is a mingling between a son of God and a daughter of man. That´s why there were giants on earth. Look at the Liger. It bigger that both tigers and lions. That´s what mingling produces. Giants. Not only in the days of Noah, but also later there were giants, the bible say. Why also later, when they were wiped out? Because of this one lady in the arch of Noah.

There were Seven clean couples and one unclean of ALL kinds of living creatures in the arch. And there were seven clean human beings and one was unclean. That makes it 8 souls as it is written. 8 souls saved through water.

And now the answer to the covenant genes changing question.

How did the genes of this group change as a result of the new covenant?

The power of the sinfull flesh was ended in a simular way that the devil lost his power over the believers. By being cast down from the spiritual heaven and earthly/dusty heaven if you understand that term of speaking.
When that happened, the power of the spirit of evil is destroyed in OUR lives. How can I say that? Because of my point of view into the scriptures.
Do believe, when I speak to you of earthly things. Otherwise you wont be able to believe the spiritual things:
God spoke to the serpent and he said: On your belly you shall go. Dust shall you eat. The seed of the woman shall bruise your head.

Now lets look at the new testament to see what happened in the image of the condemnation of the serpent and the serpent seed.
Judas was the seed of the serpent. He who was called a devil, went and hang himself. Cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree, the bible say. Now he was hanging between heaven and earth. From there he was cast down to earth. And when that happened, he fulfilled the prophecy of being the seed of the serpent. Cursed to be cast down from heaven. His head was bruised agains the roch, when he was cast down and hit the ground. His belly was split open. On your belly you shall creep. His stomach came out and you can imagine how accurately that now 6000 years old prophecy from the beginning, now is proven to happen to the dot. Dust shall thou eat. In direct tirms; you shall die, falling to the ground in such power that you will be split open when hitting the earth. He went back to the dust. The nature of the flesh was put to death on the cross. On the tree. The power of the nature of the serpent seed was destroyed by Jesus Christ. He was the one who sent Judas out to the outer darkness.

The bible tells us that we were powerless because of the flesh. But now in Christ Jesus, we have been taken out of the flesh. We are circumcised away from our flesh. We are now in the spirit. That is what changes us. The power of circumcision made, not by hands, but by the power of the living God. Amen.

Revelation 12:10 say: the accuser is cast down. 11 They (the believers) overcome him (the accuser) by the blood of the lamb, and by the word of their testimony. 12 Rejoice ye heavens and ye that live in them (thats us). Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and the sea.(The sea is the sea of men).
Those in Christ overcome the old dragon, the rest of the world is in darkness if do not se Christ appears in the clouds of witnesses, before he appear in the clouds.
The circumcision done by hands is not the circumcision that God was interested in. They were circumcising their problem, the lust of the flesh. It was an image of what was their sin. The serpent nature of the flesh. And it was an image of things to come. The spiritual circumcision of the heart. Not by hands. Romans 2. 28 For he is not a Jew, who is it outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh.
And 1.Peter 4:2 That he(the christians) should no longer live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lust of men, but to the will of God.

For when we WERE in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit into death. Romans 7:5

That is why God revealed himself in flesh. To end the power of the flesh by transferring us into the spirit of the second Adam. The spirit of God was given into our breast when he breathed his words upon us.
We are now sons of God. Not after the flesh, but after the spirit. And that is the secret. God is spirit. We are now the spiritual generation of the second Adam, Jesus Christ. Amen.

I realize how guilt might make you want to try to excuse away and soft-peddle, the reality of your doctrine, and subsequent belief in an unjust God. It would make me feel pretty lousy inside too.

No guilt here. I feel good. I love God and I am very happy for ever being allowed to understand the thoughts of God. The will of God. Given to me from Gods point of view.
His thoughts are not our thoughts. Leave your own thoughts and come up to him, in his thoughts. As heaven is higher than earth. His thoughts are higher then our fleshly minded thoughts.
Talking about guilt. I can do nothing about the fact that God wiped out the whole world of human beings, in the days of Noah. Do you feel guilty of that happening? God only kept Noah and seven other people in that arch. No guilt here.
The creator of every atom knows everything. His judge is just. He prevented evil chaos with the power of chaos from God. And a new clean earth appeared from the God of order.
But now today we have the same situation. The moon have been "used to see" blood shedding all NIGHT long. The sun have been turned to "se" / used to se darkness in the hearts of man all DAY long. They are thinking of evil dark thoughts in brought day light. This evilness will be stopped by God in his time by the fire of God. From heaven. Not any political power, but by the power of God in heaven, evilness on earth will be wiped out some day.
This realy dont make me feel lousy inside. It is a good thing that God is going to deal with the spiritual evilness of murderers of this world again. The second time by fire from heaven.
No more pain. No more sadness...
New heavens and a new earth where righteousness dwelleth.

[Peter]

That was not a direct answer. I'll reply to your response if you give me a direct answer to the following question.

Israel went from near total desolation at the beginning of the 19th century to being populated with 6 million Jews today while becoming the geopolitical focus of the world.

Do you believe the return of Jews to Israel is of the Lord?

[Joen Eriksen]

No

[Peter]

No

Thank you for finally providing a direct answer.
And you certainly have plenty of fellow fruit in that tree, which includes some who proclaim themselves to be Christians like Arnold Murray and his Serpent Seed cult, Jeremiah Wright, David Duke and the KKK along with Nazis, skinheads, Muslims, white supremacists, Louis Farrakan and the Nation of Islam, communist Soviets, George Soros and his Center for American Progress, and anti-Semites of all stripes!

Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Yet you likely remain perfectly comfortable among your fellow fruit that reject that the return of Jews to Israel is of the Lord. Doesn't that communicate even a little something to you?

So what do you believe Jesus has called you to do Joen? Haunt Christian forums in efforts to further divide the body of Christ with a filthy heresy that puts you outside of 2,000 years of universal Christian core doctrine?
This while there are 1.5 billion Muslims out there that the "church" left hanging out to dry that are required to deny the Son of God, and reject His crucifixion and shed blood that would save them, as articles of their faith in Muhammad? (Not that I am encouraging you to approach them with Branham's satanic lies.)

"The succession of prophets according to Branham are:

    The Apostle Paul
    Irenaeus
    Saint Martin
    Columba
    Martin Luther
    Wesley
    William Marion Branham"

You don't really believe that, do you Joen?

One of the easiest ways we have to overcome false doctrine is to learn from former holders of it that believed it with their whole hearts. One of the best ways to recognize a cult is to take the name of the cult and combine it with "ex" or "former" to find testimony of those that overcame the cult.

I didn't realize the extent of his evil until I just did
this search for ex-branhamites
and former branhamites

http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/branham.htm
another
http://forgottenword.org/branham.html

[Joen Eriksen]

I have perfectly well understood that you do not understand a straight answer. Sorry for being so frank with you but you take it astray, and that is why I have to give you theses additional information every time I answer your questions.

And you certainly have plenty of fellow fruit in that tree which includes some who proclaim themselves to be Christians like Arnold Murray and his Serpent Seed cult, Jeremiah Wright, David Duke and the KKK along with Nazis, skinheads, Muslims, white supremacists, Louis Farrakan and the Nation of Islam, communist Soviets, George Soros and his Center for American Progress, and anti-Semites of all stripes!

Fellow fruits in that tree?
Are you saying that if YOU vote the same party as some mass murderers is voting for, then YOU to have plenty of fellow murderers fruit in that tree of evil murderers too? I am sure you vote for SOME political party, right? And if you do, then YOU have some fellow murderers fruit in that tree of evil to count for. Murderers are not only found to vote for one certain party you know. You are going to be judged by the judge you judge others with. You know that, right?

You can´t argue like that.

To believe that God is with one state more than an other state in this world is wrong. It is your heart he is interested in. Not your vote.

Even in the old testament God was not with any side in the wars of Israel against the gentile kingdoms at that time.

I do not know any Christians Arnold Murray. I googled his side, because of you mentioning him. Don´t know if he is the same as you speak about all the time, but If he is the one that I found some material on yesterday, then:
I don´t join memberships like the one I found in the name Arnold Murray. I believe in giving the message of Gods love for nothing. To me all preachers who take money for the love letter are adulterers. We, the church, is a SHE, and we are not allowed to take money for the knowledge, if you understand what I mean.

Eve was the tree of knowledge. Adam knew Eve. Of cause the serpent first knew Eve, but the tree of knowledge is the woman. When they were cast out of the garden they were no more allowed to eat of the tree of life ALSO. The tree of knowledge was their only hope then.
The tree of knowledge was their only chance of getting back to the fellowship with the tree of Life. In straight words, the woman, the tree of knowledge, conceived the tree of Life. Jesus Christ.
The woman who came with the fall, also came with the solution. As it is written: She shall be saved through CHILDBEARING. A child is born, a son is given. Well that kind of speech we only speak amongst the grown up children of God.
I CORINTHIANS 8:2-3 And if any man think that he KNOWETH any thing, he KNOWETH nothing yet as he ought to KNOW. But if any man love God, the same is KNOWN of him.
That´s deep thoughts from Paul right there.

JOSHUA 5:13-14 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? And he said, Nay;
Nay, none of you two fighting parts. And that was even in the old testament. Israelites after the flesh and gentiles after the flesh, fighting each other in the flesh. Nay.

The spiritual minded man is lifted above the carnal fight against flesh and blood.
EPHESIANS 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
I believe this might take both me and the Angel of the Lord out of you group of evil workers. We are not against you. Not against any kingdom on earth. We are for the world, through the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I CORINTHIANS 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
Not trying to save the world through taking political stand for or against some man made state.
When Jesus comes in the clouds, he will come with his City, Jerusalem down from above. That is my Israel. That is my city. That is what I fight for and count myself a citizen of. Nothing else. No man made states created by the acceptance of FN, EU or US. Powers who lose their power.
In my kingdom my king never loses his power because of the lack of votes, lack of health, lack of life power or because of death. Jesus Christ is coming back to earth. And when he comes, he is coming as The King. Not as a lamb. That is now past tense. You cant draw my attention to anything else, then he who was hidden to their eyes in the skyes. My eyes are focused on the skyes till he come back from there. And when he comes, then it is to late to take a stand for the Israel of God, the new creation. The new kingdom. If his kingdom was of this world, his servants would fight for him.
JOHN 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Amen and hallelujah.

[Peter]

I have perfectly well understood that you do not understand a straight answer. Sorry for being so frank with you but you take it astray, and that is why I have to give you theses additional information every time I answer your questions.

And you certainly have plenty of fellow fruit in that tree which includes some who proclaim themselves to be Christians like Arnold Murray and his Serpent Seed cult, Jeremiah Wright, David Duke and the KKK along with Nazis, skinheads, Muslims, white supremacists, Louis Farrakan and the Nation of Islam, communist Soviets, George Soros and his Center for American Progress, and anti-Semites of all stripes!

Fellow fruits in that tree?
Are you saying that if YOU vote the same party as some mass murderers is voting for, then YOU to have plenty of fellow murderers fruit in that tree of evil murderers too?

Your comparison is false and attempts to change the subject.
Murderers would be the fruit of the tree of murderers, while non-murderers would be in the opposing tree. Different subject but same point - evil fruit VS good fruit.

Those who murder VS those who don't murder
Those who believe the return of Jews to their land is of the Lord VS those who don't

I am sure you vote for SOME political party, right? And if you do, then YOU have some fellow murderers fruit in that tree of evil to count for. Murderers are not only found to vote for one certain party you know.

Politics are about the world, not the kingdom of God. The fact is that while we don't have to be of the world, we do have to live in the world until we die. As Christians we should be champions of freedom and self-determination, for all people of the world, to be free to worship our Lord and Savior. By rejecting Israel you have chosen the side of Islamist states - that call for the destruction of Israel and murder of all Jews ("drive them into the sea"). Muhammad's followers that murder their own people as "apostates" for coming into relationship with Jesus Christ.

So again, please don't change the subject.

The return of Jews to their land is of the Lord or it is of Satan. Period. This is a spiritual matter regarding the kingdom of God.

I believe the return of Jews to their land, is not so much for their sakes but for the sake of God's holy name, just as prophesied. Many perhaps even returning in unbelief, without a clue as to why. A historical miracle and event so stunning, it should show even the heathen that He is Lord. But you who claim to be a Christian can't even see this stunning historical reality, through the fog of Branham's Serpent Seed doctrine. You're stuck in the garden of Eden.

Ezekiel 36:20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These [are] the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land. 21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went. 22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not [this] for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. 23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I [am] the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

The fruit of my tree includes tens of millions of evangelical Christians from around the world, faithful Israeli Jews and Christians, as well as faithful Jews from around the world. The Israelis just want to be left alone in peace so they can continue to be the blessing on the world that they have been, through medicine, science, chemistry and literature. As Benjamin Netanyahu put it: "If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel"

Though I think he was being too politically correct to say what he meant, because the vast majority of non-Muslim Arabs desire the Jewish state, to continue to protect their freedom and right to self-determination. Netanyahu should have used the term "Muslims" instead of "Arabs".

The fruit of the tree that rejects that the return of Jews to their land is just as I listed. You can toss in Roman Catholicism, and partial-preterist Presbyterianism (that also ordain gays). You can also toss in an "orthodox" Jewish cult "Neturei Karta"  that is anti-Zionist (many of whom are Brooklyn based who don't have to live in the Israel that they are despoiling!).

Israel growing from utter desolation in the early 19th century to over 6 million Jews today, while becoming the geo-political focus of the whole world - is no accident.

You are going to be judged by the judge you judge others with. You know that, right?

Indeed. That's why I know I am to: Jhn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Like recognizing when a heresy stands outside of nearly 2,000 years of universal Christian core doctrine. That's why I wanted to point out the peril that Branham and his ilk have put you in, as so clearly evidenced by the fruit.

You can´t argue like that.

To believe that God is with one state more than an other state in this world is wrong. It is your heart he is interested in. Not your vote.

It's about good and evil. The Jewish state protects and preserves the right to freedom of all Israeli citizens whether Jew, gentile or Arab. Muslims enjoy more freedom in Israel than they do in any Muslim controlled country on earth.

The vast majority of Israeli non-Muslim Arabs are in favor of the Jewish state continuing to maintain their freedom, not to mention the Israeli Jews and Christians.

http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2795.0
"In contrast, a poll of 507 Arab-Israelis conducted by the Israeli Democracy Institute in 2007 found that 75 percent profess support for Israel's status as a Jewish and democratic state which guarantees equal rights for minorities. Israeli Arab support for a constitution in general was 88 percent.[31]"

Here is what the fruit of your anti-Israel tree has done to Christians in Gaza by compelling the removal of the Jewish state that had protected them there:

"Christians can only continue living safely in the Gaza Strip if they accept Islamic law, including a ban on alcohol and on women roaming publicly without proper head coverings, an Islamist militant leader in Gaza told WND in an exclusive interview.
The militant leader said Christians in Gaza who engage in "missionary activity" will be "dealt with harshly."
All women, including non-Muslims, need to understand they must be covered at all times while in public," Abu Asqer told WND.
"Also the activities of Internet cafes, pool halls and bars must be stopped," he said. "If it goes on, we'll attack these things very harshly."
"This missionary activity is endangering the entire Christian community in Gaza," he said.
"His comments come after gunmen on Sunday attacked Gaza's Latin Church and adjacent Rosary Sisters School, reportedly destroying crosses, bibles, pictures of Jesus and furniture and equipment. The attackers also stole a number of computers."

You join Muslims in their conquest of Israel, and subjugation of Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs, to Muhammad's followers, who are commanded to fight non-Muslims, until everyone in the world denies the Son of God and rejects His shed blood. This while prostrating to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day and praying in the "vain repetitions of the heathen" in the names of the Arabian pagan's deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad.

That's YOUR SIDE that destroyed the freedom of those Christians, that had formerly been guaranteed by the Jewish state. YOUR PEEPS - the Muhammadans. THERE ARE ONLY TWO SIDES. God's and Satan's. Isn't it obvious which one you have chosen?

Your anti-Israelism is aiding and abetting the Muhammadan conquest of Israel's freedom and democracy, while advancing the conversion of Israel into just another Sharia law ruled, multiple wife beating, slave making and trading, female circumcising, child raping, Christian beheading, Islamist slave state.

Destroying the freedom that even Muslims enjoy in Israel, more than they are afforded in any Muslim controlled country on earth!

How does that make you feel? Why wouldn't you expect to find yourself in rotted fruit of the anti-Israel tree?
There are only two sides. Isn't it obvious which side you have chosen by rejecting Israel?

Even in the old testament God was not with any side in the wars of Israel against the gentile kingdoms at that time.

I do not know any Christians Arnold Murray. I googled his side, because of you mentioning him. Don´t know if he is the same as you speak about all the time, but If he is the one that I found some material on yesterday, then:
I don´t join memberships like the one I found in the name Arnold Murray.

He's one of Branham's Serpent Seed followers. You might say a "Branhamite", like you. The inspiration of so many hate cults. THAT's the real "seed" of Branham's/Murray's Serpent Seed doctrine. The real fruit that get into the real spirit of Hitlerian Serpent Seed and into full blown racism like Aryans, neo-Nazis and so-called "Christian identity" movements.

I believe in giving the message of Gods love for nothing. To me all preachers who take money for the love letter are adulterers. We, the church, is a SHE, and we are not allowed to take money for the knowledge, if you understand what I mean.

Eve was the tree of knowledge. Adam knew Eve. Of cause the serpent first knew Eve, but the tree of knowledge is the woman. When they were cast out of the garden they were no more allowed to eat of the tree of life ALSO. The tree of knowledge was their only hope then.
The tree of knowledge was their only chance of getting back to the fellowship with the tree of Life. In straight words, the woman, the tree of knowledge, conceived the tree of Life. Jesus Christ.
The woman who came with the fall, also came with the solution. As it is written: She shall be saved through CHILDBEARING. A child is born, a son is given. Well that kind of speech we only speak amongst the grown up children of God.
I CORINTHIANS 8:2-3 And if any man think that he KNOWETH any thing, he KNOWETH nothing yet as he ought to KNOW. But if any man love God, the same is KNOWN of him.
That´s deep thoughts from Paul right there.

JOSHUA 5:13-14 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? And he said, Nay;
Nay, none of you two fighting parts. And that was even in the old testament. Israelites after the flesh and gentiles after the flesh, fighting each other in the flesh. Nay.

The spiritual minded man is lifted above the carnal fight against flesh and blood.

So if the lady that lives next door walked out of her house, and you looked out your window and saw a man run up to her, and knock her down, and start beating her and raping her, you are such a "spiritual minded man" that you believe it to be a matter of the flesh that should simply remain between the two of them, and perhaps close your drapes so you wouldn't have to see more.

EPHESIANS 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Yet Branham's doctrine has so blinded you to the reality of the enemy of God's people, that you have chosen their side against the Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs.

I believe this might take both me and the Angel of the Lord out of you group of evil workers. We are not against you. Not against any kingdom on earth. We are for the world, through the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I CORINTHIANS 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
Not trying to save the world through taking political stand for or against some man made state.
When Jesus comes in the clouds, he will come with his City, Jerusalem down from above. That is my Israel. That is my city. That is what I fight for and count myself a citizen of. Nothing else.

You can wish your words were true all day, as you sit back fat and sassy in your lazy-boy chair, with no present threats to your freedom to worship, because your government protects your right to worship as you choose (but not for long because so many Christians have joined the side of evil during this great apostasy - already jailing Christians for speech in Canada).

Your unctuous platitudes even as you fruit the tree of those that are destroying the Jewish State's ability to protect and preserve the freedom of religion of all Israeli citizens. I've got news for you. Anarchy only leads to survival of the fittest and a greatest evil. 

No man made states created by the acceptance of FN, EU or US. Powers who lose their power.
In my kingdom my king never loses his power because of the lack of votes, lack of health, lack of life power or because of death. Jesus Christ is coming back to earth. And when he comes, he is coming as The King. Not as a lamb. That is now past tense. You cant draw my attention to anything else, then he who was hidden to their eyes in the skyes. My eyes are focused on the skyes till he come back from there.

Maybe it's time you took a glance or two away from the skies, and consider the plight of our Christian brethren suffering and dying all around the world, particularly at the hands of the Muhammadans.

And when he comes, then it is to late to take a stand for the Israel of God, the new creation. The new kingdom. If his kingdom was of this world, his servants would fight for him.
JOHN 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Amen and hallelujah.

You can quit wasting your time trying pontificating or peddle your evil Serpent Seed doctrine in here. It will be absolutely apparent to everyone that reads this thread hereafter, that isn't suffering from the same delusion that you do, will see the evil that Branham and his heresy has joined you with. The fruit of your tree. I only pray that this might serve as the first spark of cognitive dissonance, on your road to overcoming Branham's "doctrine of devils".

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;