chat with rah

[Peter]

Islam is the one true religion, All the prophets are the servants of God, however you have taken your religion to extreme and for that you will have to pay the price, Muhammed is a true meesanger of the Almighty and nothing you say can ever even change that one iota.

You have taken your religion to far, And you have made a man a God and for that there will be a terrible price for you to pay, It seems like you are attacking Muhammed(pbuh) he was a man sent down to all humankind as a mercy from God.

Its so amazing that you read the Bible and it tells you that Jesus(pbuh)is a man, a man, a man, yet you say he is god, The Bible tell you one thing and you believe another, I dont know where these verses came from but this is not the Injeel not way hosay.

Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand, Jesus9pbuh) had to act things out to you as whatever miricles he did with the permissin of God you took as his miricles.


And you say that there are 3 in 1, which does not make sence, does not matter how much you try to explain, there can never be three in one, The word Trinity is not even in the Bible, how funny is that, you will find it in the Holy Quran,"and say not, "Three" (Trinity). Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be it from His glory that He should have a son; whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His; and Allah is sufficient for a Protector." (4:171). so dont and force this concept of three, there is no such thing.


"Certainly they disbelieve who say: "Surely Allah is the third (Person) of the three"; and there is no god but One God,. The Messiah, son of Maryam is but an apostle; apostles before him have indeed passed away; and his mother was a truthful woman, they both used to eat food. See how We make the signs clear to them, then behold how they are turned away." (5:73 75).

See how simple the sign is, and they eat, what does that mean, that means that GOD does not eat, so if Jesus(pbuh) eat then he most certanly is not God.

After the so called Ressurection Jesus(pbuh) honeycomb and broiled fish, why do you think that is, He is showing you that look im not a spirit for a spirit has no flesh and bones, and he said handle me and see, he again tried to persuade the people that he is human alive not a spirit. There is not a single place where Jesus(pbuh) ever said im God, worship me, you have taken your religion to extreme.

"Say: "Do you worship besides Allah that which does not control for you any harm, or any profit?" And Allah He is the Hearing, the Knowing." (5:76).

"And they say: "The Beneficent God has taken to Himself a son." Glory be to Him. Nay! They are honored servants; they do not precede Him in speech and (only) according to His commandment do they act. He knows what is before them and what is behind them, and they do not intercede except for him whom He approves, and for fear of Him they tremble." (21:26 28).

A perfect uniquivercule answer by the Amighty, but you have taken your religion to extreme, you are following Paul, you are not following the Injeel.


"Certainly they disbelieve who say: "Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Maryam". And the Messiah said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord, surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust." (5:72). dont take you religion to extreme as you have.

The method of argument used in this verse is self-evident.

Although the Gospels do not contain such comprehensive sentence as, "worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord", they are full of sayings calling people to Allah and to His worship; he repeatedly declares that Allah is his Lord in Whose Hand is the management of his affairs; he openly says that Allah is the Lord of the people; and never invites them to his own worship in spite of his reported saying: "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30). If we accept that it is a correct reporting, then, all things taken together, it must mean: my obedience is Allahs obedience; thus, it shall have the same connotation as the verse of the Quran:

"Whoever obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys Allah." (4:80).

Jesus (pbuh) never wrote a word in his time on Earth, He without a doubt did speak the truth however the bible is not the truth, the bible would never even get through a court of law, it contradicts itself, and as you say God wrote that, then we cant believe the Almighty makes mistakes that is just impossible, you are on the wrong path, dont try and take others with you.

best regards.

[Peter]

[[[Islam is the one true religion, All the prophets are the servants of God,]]]

That is false. For example, in the 19th century many "prophets" steered many in the church to their false views. That is how we have the cults of:
Mary Baker Eddy - Christian Science
Joseph Smith - LDS Mormon
Charles Taze Russell - Jehovah's Witness
William Miller - Millerites associated into SDA
Ellen White - SDA Seventh Day Adventists

Islam just happens to be the most dangerous cult, for 1400 years.
Constantine's Roman Catholicism is a cult too.

[[[however you have taken your religion to extreme and for that you will have to pay the price, Muhammed is a true meesanger of the Almighty and nothing you say can ever even change that one iota.]]]

It has got absolutely nothing to do with what I SAY my friend. What I DO is quote the Word of God. What does God say about Mohammed?

1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.

God's Word says that He made Mohammed and you liars for not believing the record that God gave of His Son.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:

It says that Mohammed and you are antichrists. And that because you deny the Son of God you do not have the father.

You see, my friend, it is the Word of God that you find "extreme". The only reason for that is that Mohammed was, and taught, THE EXACT OPPOSITE, from revelations from jinn in a cave. Mohammedanism is the ONLY anti-another-religion, religion. This is an easy way to see it is of Satan, besides it's 1400 year record of murderous fruit.

It is GOD HIMSELF that you find extreme, yet don't seem to find anything odd about denying ALL of the prophets of the new covenant, and the WHOLE SUBJECT of the new covenant detailed in the New Testament, to follow a 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief.

You cannot deny a single characterization I made of Mohammed above because your own books bequeath them to us.

And this false prophet forces you to deny the record of Jesus Christ, who, as you agree, is the only man ever born of a virgin by the will of God, that you agree led a sinless life, with His most violent act overturning the tables of the moneychangers.
All to follow a 6th century reprobate that taught the PERFECT OPPOSITE.
Please see the attached video.

Is it so hard for you to see where the extreme lies?

I am following the Word of God. You are following the disconnected, heavily abrogated ramblings of a 6th century murderous illiterate reprobate.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0
A 23 year record of A SINGLE man, as directly opposed to the 1600 year record of God to mankind through all of the prophets, apostles, and legions of witnesses.
Where did even Mohammed ever say the bible is corrupted?
What did he say about the bible:

Sura 4:136 (Al-Nisa) - "0 believers, HAVE FAITH IN Allah and His Apostle, in THE BOOK He has revealed to His Apostle, and in the Book He formerly revealed (Bible). HE THAT DENIES Allah, His angels, HIS SCRIPTURES, HIS APOSTLES, and the Last Day, HAS STRAYED FAR FROM THE TRUTH."

It is only 21st century Muslims that call God's Word corrupt because they can now see for themselves that it is the OPPOSITE of Mohammedanism.
Here's more blessed verses from God's Word that you may find extreme:

Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment. 31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

John 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE SON OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be FALSE TEACHERS among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, AND BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.

Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

Is the Word of God extreme? It isn't to a Christian. It is a book about a loving God of peace, not one that orders smiting non-Muslims at the neck. For heavens sakes, your Allah even curses Christians and Jews.
Islam is a STAND ALONE 6th century religion.

At least we know that one of us is horribly wrong. The one that follows the 1600 year record of God to mankind through ALL of the prophets, or the one that follows A SINGLE 6th century reprobate.

Forever is a very long time my friend. May God lead you to the truth:

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4

[Peter]

[[[You have taken your religion to far, And you have made a man a God and for that there will be a terrible price for you to pay, It seems like you are attacking Muhammed(pbuh) he was a man sent down to all humankind as a mercy from God.]]]

The record of Mohammed as bequeathed through your own books make clear enough what kind of a man your "prophet" was:

bukhari (6:298) Narrated 'Aisha:

The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).

There's a picture of a 53 year old splashing in the bath with his 9 year old "wife". Mohammed was a sex crazed reprobate who's god even promoted pimping out your sex slaves:

Surah 24:33...Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, IF they would preserve their chastity. and if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be forgiving, Merciful.

But IF they dont want to preserve their chastity then pimp em out and make some cash!
And even IF you force them into prostitution Allah will forgive anyway!
What a convenient god!

[[[Its so amazing that you read the Bible and it tells you that Jesus(pbuh)is a man, a man, a man,...]]]

Without question, Jesus was a man, in the flesh. That is how God chose to reveal Himself to us.

[[[..... yet you say he is god,]]]

It isn't about what I SAY, it is about what Jesus said. That's why they crucified Him:

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him:

John 10:30 I AND [MY] FATHER ARE ONE. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him

John 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself THE SON OF GOD.

[[[The Bible tell you one thing and you believe another,]]]

That is, of course, patently false. Simply consider the 44 verses that use the term THE Son of God:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=56.0
Or the 234 that call God the Father:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=316.0

[[[ I dont know where these verses came from but this is not the Injeel not way hosay.

Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand, Jesus9pbuh)....]]]

This is a very good concept for all Muslims. You see, over and over, Muslims quote "Bring them hither and slay them before me" in an effort to drag Jesus down to the murderous reprobate level of your false prophet. But you likely already know that those words are spoken by a nobleman in a PARABLE, and so it perfectly proves how Mohammedans don't understand the words. Let's see more of what you quote:

Mark 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and [their] sins should be forgiven them.

Muslim abusing that passage of scripture simply proves their unregenerate nature. They know Jesus to be sinless, yet want to characterize him as murderous. False accusers:

2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=123.0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_4_tbN-b_A

[Peter]

[[[.... had to act things out to you as whatever miricles he did with the permissin of God you took as his miricles.

And you say that there are 3 in 1, which does not make sence, does not matter how much you try to explain, there can never be three in one, ]]]

I could see this coming from an atheist. But every Muslim must believe that God has a Spirit, or they aren't a Muslim:

Sura 32.9: But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something OF HIS SPIRIT. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding).

If you do a Yahoo search for "Word of Allah", there is certainly no shortage of Muslim websites that declare the Quran to be the "Word of Allah". I get 527 thousand hits, even in quotes:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22word+of+allah%22&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

What does the Word of God say:

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.

What part don't you get? Don't you worship one God too?


I am going to take a moment to move our conversation into the forum.
I will not compromise your identity.
If you want you can create a login with any ID you like and we can have a much more effective conversation, where we can quote each other, add links, and not get lost.

[Peter]

[[[The Bible tell you one thing and you believe another,...]]]

God revealed Himself gradually, and steadily over 1600 years. He manifest, or revealed, Himself in the flesh of Jesus Christ. The gospels detail that unfolding account. What does Jesus say near the end of His time manifest on earth to mankind?

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

I believe that, my friend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdoJPJMwRR8

[Peter]

You can find our conversation as it has run so far here:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=344.msg1156#msg1156

It will be far easier to continue it there.

[[[The word Trinity is not even in the Bible, how funny is that,....]]]

It is irrelevant. The term "trinity" was likely coined by Constantine. It was created as a convenient way to describe the content of the verse in my prior reply. It is unfortunate that it presents a stumbling block to Muslims. That's why I generally avoid the term in favor of what the bible says and that is that Jesus is a manifestation of God, or revealing of God.

[[[.... you will find it in the Holy Quran,"and say not, "Three" (Trinity). Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be it from His glory that He should have a son; whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His; and Allah is sufficient for a Protector." (4:171). so dont and force this concept of three, there is no such thing.]]]

Perhaps not conceivable through the IQ of a 6th century illiterate. You have simply chosen to adopt the tiny little box that the tiny little mind of your false prophet put God in, even as you believe God Himself defies human description and imagination. In the previous comment I detailed how you believe God has a Spirit and His Word and this verse in the Word of God:

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.

The bible teaches us more about the Word of God:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

http://www.islamandthetruth.com/#gospel_of_john

[[["Certainly they disbelieve who say: "Surely Allah is the third (Person) of the three"; and there is no god but One God,.]]]

Of course Christians agree with this:
Mark 12:29 ... The Lord our God is one Lord: ... 32 ... for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

[[[[ The Messiah, son of Maryam is but an apostle;....]]]

But surely even you can see how preposterous this statement is.
You yourself believe that Jesus is THE ONLY person in the history of the world to be born of a virgin by the will of God.
So who, then, is His Father?

How many other apostles were born of virgins purely by the will of God?

[[[.... apostles before him have indeed passed away; and his mother was a truthful woman, they both used to eat food. See how We make the signs clear to them, then behold how they are turned away." (5:73 75).

See how simple the sign is, and they eat, what does that mean, that means that GOD does not eat, so if Jesus(pbuh) eat then he most certanly is not God.]]]

What that does is demonstrate how infantile Mohammed's mind was. Even he was frustrated that he couldn't read. Do you think he was too intelligent to learn how to read? That would certainly be a tough case to make.
Far easier to assume he had the undeveloped mind of a child.
Simply look at the heaven he created. First and foremost fresh running water. What did the desert lack most?
Mohammedan heaven is relief from the cold nights and blistering days of the desert. Even shade, perhaps to avoid sunburn. Clustered plantains and other fruit. Rivers of wine, and rivers of milk that doesn't go sour. Very nice. Milk doesn't go sour in heaven. And a chicken in every pot!
All served by perpetually young boys as you recline on your gold encrusted bejeweled couch, while enjoying it with your multiple virgins.

Do you honestly see Mohammed's heaven as being something other than the imaginations of the infantile mind of a 6th century illiterate? Who was the choir he was preaching to? Desert nomads that lacked all of the above that fell for the device of being suicidal in battle so they could have all the virgins in heaven.
Though on this earth they were allowed to capture and sexually defile and enslave women as spoils of war, and even pimp them out for cash!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEfKpgiYgHY

[Peter]

[[[After the so called Ressurection ....]]]

Which is, of course, the WHOLE SUBJECT of the new covenant/New Testament. Indeed of Old Testament prophecy so it is really the whole subject of the bible with the first "type" being when Abraham took Isaac up on the mount to sacrifice him.

Old Testament prophecy written hundreds of years before Jesus was manifest to us:

Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Confirmed:
Act 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

What did He fulfill? A promised new covenant:
prophecy:
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
confirmed in Jesus Christ:
Hbr 8:13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.
Hbr 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=201.0

Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him.

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23 And it shall come to pass, [that] every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

But you don't believe Jesus, but prefer to believe Mohammed THE false prophet, and you can see the consequences for that.

[Peter]

[[[After the so called Ressurection Jesus(pbuh) honeycomb and broiled fish, why do you think that is, He is showing you that look im not a spirit for a spirit has no flesh and bones, and he said handle me and see, he again tried to persuade the people that he is human alive not a spirit.]]]

Exactly. And that was AFTER He was crucified, died and was buried:

Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. 38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Jhn 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

Jhn 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.

[[[ There is not a single place where Jesus(pbuh) ever said im God, worship me, you have taken your religion to extreme.]]]

He declared His divinity many times. That's why the Jews wanted to stone Him:

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him:

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Jesus is a revelation of God. Through that revelation is out path to worship God. Our mediator. The Alpha and Omega:

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

God IS.
We couldn't know He existed if He hadn't revealed Himself to us. He chose to do that through Jesus Christ.

[[["Say: "Do you worship besides Allah that which does not control for you any harm, or any profit?" And Allah He is the Hearing, the Knowing." (5:76).

"And they say: "The Beneficent God has taken to Himself a son." Glory be to Him. Nay! They are honored servants; they do not precede Him in speech and (only) according to His commandment do they act. He knows what is before them and what is behind them, and they do not intercede except for him whom He approves, and for fear of Him they tremble." (21:26 28).

A perfect uniquivercule answer by the Amighty, but you have taken your religion to extreme, you are following Paul, you are not following the Injeel.]]]

How can you make such a foolish statement? I follow ALL of the prophets, apostles, and legions of witnesses, as revealed through the 1600 year record of God to mankind through His Word in both the Old and New Testaments.

You follow Mohammed and his STAND ALONE 6th century record that is the EXACT OPPOSITE. The antichrist revelation of Satan in a cave to THE false prophet Mohammed. Even Mohammed said he met jinn in that cave and tried to strangle him 3 times. It was the lone testimony of his wife that convinced him otherwise.

[[["Certainly they disbelieve who say: "Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Maryam". And the Messiah said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord, surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust." (5:72). dont take you religion to extreme as you have.]]]

That's silly. Jews and Christians follow the Word of God, and have for about 3600 years. You follow Mohammed and his 1400 year old STAND ALONE religion. Easy to understand of illiterate desert dwellers. But in this 21st century, Mohammed's heaven alone, should be enough to show you how preposterous his religion is. Let alone the fruit. The only thing Sunnis and Shiites hate more than each other - as displayed through their murder of each others innocent men, women and children -is God's chosen people:

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'"

[[[The method of argument used in this verse is self-evident.

Although the Gospels do not contain such comprehensive sentence as, "worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord", they are full of sayings calling people to Allah and to His worship; he repeatedly declares that Allah is his Lord in Whose Hand is the management of his affairs; he openly says that Allah is the Lord of the people; and never invites them to his own worship in spite of his reported saying: "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30). If we accept that it is a correct reporting, then, all things taken together, it must mean: my obedience is Allahs obedience; thus, it shall have the same connotation as the verse of the Quran:

"Whoever obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys Allah." (4:80).]]]

The only thing that is self-evident is that you search for evermore creative ways to further Mohammed's delusion.
To advance your hatred of truth.
Did you ever even read God's Word?
Jesus IS truth. Until you truly seek out a love of truth you will remain in the darkness of Mohammed/Satan's grip:

2Thes 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 [EVEN HIM],WHOSE COMING IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because THEY RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

[[[Jesus (pbuh) never wrote a word in his time on Earth,......]]]

That's the whole point. He was testified of by WITNESSES.
The only testimony that Mohammed didn't meet jinn in the cave was his wife, AND SHE WASN'T EVEN WITNESS.

[[[...... He without a doubt did speak the truth however the bible is not the truth,.....]]]

That would by funny if it weren't so tragic.

[[[...... the bible would never even get through a court of law, it contradicts itself,.....]]]

This from a guy who follows a book that requires abrogation of a whopping 71 out of only 114 suras. And that over just a 23 year record by A SINGLE person.

Even Mohammed knew how his buffoonery would be perceived by future generations:

Surah 16:101 When We substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0

[[[...... and as you say God wrote that, then we cant believe the Almighty makes mistakes that is just impossible, you are on the wrong path, dont try and take others with you.

best regards.]]]

Come to the forum friend, if you believe Mohammed's 23 year record of lies and reprobate edicts, can stand the 1600 year record of truth of God's Holy Word.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=12.0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN-_20sjHVI

[Peter]

[[[First of all, as i said, you read a verse, and completeley misunderstand the meaning, i dont know weather you are doing this on purpose to try and get my goat or weather you truley are ignorant. Its so amazing to me how you read a verse and come to a conclusion which just has nothing to do with what it says in the verse, We cant even have a conversation, ]]]

We certainly can't now, because I have no idea as to which of the several replies, and many verses, you reference. That's why I suggested the forum. I'll wait for you there. But I have to insist on CONVERSATION not copy and pasting blather.

In order to keep things organized you can begin by responding to my responses to your PM.
Beginning with my first response to you:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=344.msg1153#msg1153

But then the false prophet's religion thrives in the dark alley of personal messaging, the 500 character YouTube soundbite format and such, rather than in a genuine, organized, discussion, doesn't it.

I will only respond further to you in there, and only in your responses to my specific responses, taken from the top.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmbvtuW4ZFE