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Chat with mas
« on: April 17, 2009, 10:37:04 AM »
[[[Hi, Salam (Peace be Upon You)

As i notice you are a hatred and evil have owned your heart by putting a sick man pictures before his soul was resting under Gods Mercy thats the Bible teachings and also the bible thought us to forgive even though that man talked with reason not with hatred like you.]]]]

I put images of a lying deceiving antichrist that deluded so many poor folks such as yourself.
Notice that in the video he is being told how proud that Deedat called the South African Muslims "the most militant Muslims in Africa".

You see, most of us non-Muslims that Islam has been at war against for 1400 years, don't appreciate Muslim militants the way that Deedat did.

[[[[ Imagine your self the moments of your death and im taking pictures of publishing it to entire globe and pasting versus and words taken out of context ......]]]]

There is not context for homemade bible verses like that which Deedat deluded you with.
He declared that the First Epistle of John proved Mohammed was not antichrist, and proved he was a true prophet, by creating his own bible verse.
Why not view the attached video that explores the same bible version that Deedat quoted from and see if you agree with his preposterous claims?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_4_tbN-b_A

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Re: Chat with mas
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2009, 10:38:21 AM »
[[[[......and where it truly belongs with the holiness in the meaning that it carries. May God Forgive for what you've done and take the evil out of your heart, start by removing the video (Islam, Deedat, Hell, Shirk, antichrist & 666)....]]]]

Because since Muslims continue to post Deedat's antichrist lies and made up bible verses, I am under obligation to expose his filth to the truth of God's Holy Word.

[[[[.... because you are gaining nothing from it....]]]]

It isn't about my gain. Why would I devote most of my time to you?
Because I love Muslims and want to help you overcome the grip of your false prophet Mohammed and Greek sophist styled entertainers and liars like Deedat.

[[[[..... nor people are convinced by the message you are showing there. respect your self and to whom you belong and we all belong to God weather we like it or not.]]]]

Not according to the Word of God.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:...

[[[[Ask forgiveness from God every day and night
Peace is where i start from and shall it be my end]]]

Do you really think you are headed toward a peaceful end by following a pillaging, plundering, raping, murdering, false prophet that was, and taught, the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ and the 1600 year record of God as revealed through ALL of the prophets and apostles and legions of witnesses?

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be FALSE TEACHERS among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, AND BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

But Mohammed came as a ravening wolf.
The PERFECT OPPOSITE of Jesus.
http://www.youtube.com/iwatch?v=J9Rdej28pP4
Leading another 1.5 billion to their destruction in the world today.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

That "beast" is the Islamic empire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4

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Re: Chat with mas
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2009, 10:39:12 AM »
[[[[Hi, Salam

You seem don't understand my brother in human body, I didn't send you from the first place to debate with because people like you are not worthy of a debate.......]]]]

In other words, if you looked at the First Epistle of John then you can readily see that Deedat was a liar.
But then I thought you ended your PMing with the last one.

[[[[.... thinking that any one not believing the same believe as them selves they are ignorant and don't know no knowledge about them selves but their scholars are feeding them,.....]]]

But that is incorrect as the attached video exposes your lie. I simply shared the Word of God with you to allow you to draw your own conclusions as to whether Deedat was lying or not.

[[[[..... thats a bad start my dear human brother in kind of shape but not heart nor mind. Im not hear to tell what i know or to judge you the same way you did knowing nothing about me expect respect and dignity and peace that i started my conversation with you.]]]]

But sadly you are deluded by a 6th century false prophet. I know I will likely have a very short time to spend with you toward exposing Mohammed.
I can only plant the seeds. The rest is up to Jesus Christ.

[[[[ Salam means peace and may it be upon you, your message on the video is falls Not God nor The holy Ghost nor The son Jesus is proud of what you are trying to deliver here except hatred from the bottom of your heart take the video off .......]]]]

But the video exposes Deedat's prior proud declaration that "Cape Town Muslims are the most militant Muslims in Africa."

[[[[........and then i consider you as a human being who understand what the mind of brilliance talk about and offer. and do not disrespect other people religion you know nothing except fake facts from some people call them selves Muslim......]]]]

Sorry my friend. It is much simpler than that. A Christian only needs A SINGLE verse from the Quran to know that it is of Satan:

Surah 4.157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

That SINGLE VERSE denies ALL of the prophets and apostles and the WHOLE SUBJECT of the New Testament, that is the new coveanant, that was also prophesied in the Old Testament hundreds of years before Jesus was made manifest to us.

[[[[...... and write about prophet Muhammad -peace be upon him- you shall say. talk nice to people you'll find the same from them, respect their believe and they'll respect yours no matter how different they are.]]]]

It is IMPOSSIBLE for a Christian to respect a false religion started by A SINGLE 6th century illiterate FALSE PROPHET that was, and taught, the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ and the Word of God.

[[[[[ take the video off because the way you remember people in life is the same way people remembers you after your life. Salam, that is Peace my brother]]]

May God show you the truth, before it is too late for you, my friend.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_4_tbN-b_A

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Re: Chat with mas
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2009, 10:40:00 AM »
You seem to not understand that Deedat didn't teach Islam.
Deedat taught anti-God through the spirit of antichrist, by utilizing a bible verse of his own creation to fool you poor folks. Is there something about that you don't understand?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEfKpgiYgHY

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Re: Chat with mas
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2009, 10:40:53 AM »
[[[[Salam
Still You do not understand, Your knowledge is limited.
Your respect does not belong to what the apostles should have tought you.
You are a very poor person with these assumptions.]]]]

You only wish they were my assumptions. Regarding Deedat I PROVED his phony bible verse.
Regarding the Word of God it says what it says. You're an antichrist and don't have the Father:

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:..

[[[[Just so that you know what true Islam believes in and do not reply to this because you won't understand what it means as you think that people are fed to what they believe unlike you wise man:

those are the five major prophets with books we believe in more than any one else and no creature can change that or put us in doubt Allah the lord almighty is protecting us in the name of them:

Muhammad -peace be upon him-
Isa true name of Jesus (no J in hebrew langauge as we all no Isa was hebrew) -peace be upon him-
Mosa (moses) -peace be upon him-]]]]

Moses prophesied Jesus Christ.

Jhn 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

Moses also prophesied the seed of Abraham's abandoned son Ishmael, just as we find Islamists today:

Genesis 16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou [art] with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name ISHMAEL; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. 12 And HE WILL BE A WILD MAN; HIS HAND [WILL BE] AGAINST EVERY MAN, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

[[[[Noh -peace be upon him-
Ibrahim -peace be upon him-]]]

You blaspheme all the prophets because you deny the record that God gave us of them and instead fell for the preposterous 23 year record of A SINGLE 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief.

If a single characterization of Mohammed above is untrue according to your own books, please inform.

A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.

[[[[Just so that you know my beleif is not in the court of whoever you are to judge and make wrong accusations because you in a conflict just by your self.

Take care and have some respect toward the people treat you the same way with respect.]]]

I love you. That's why I am trying to help you overcome the delusion of your false prophet.
ONE MUST CHOOSE.
The 1600 year record of God to mankind through ALL of the prophets and apostles, or the heavily abrogated and confused 23 year record of A SINGLE 6th century illiterate whose phony god "Allah" even curses Christians and Jews:

Surah 9.30 The JEWS call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the CHRISTIANS call Christ THE SON OF ALLAH. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. ALLAHS CURSE BE ON THEM: how they are deluded

[[[[ Thanks for your time and you have nothing to teach with these manners you have, you won't even teach your dearest and closest person.

Salam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oU32h2HgA4

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Re: Chat with mas
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2009, 10:54:56 AM »
[[[Salam Again I study more than what you think i did, and thats why i told you i don't debate with some one only accuse what i believe but not researched through the basic facts......]]]

One only needs a single verse to know that Mohammedanism is of Satan:

Surah 4:157  That THEY SAID (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST JESUS the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT:-

[[[[..... and what is the start point of my belief so go revise or study the Shia basic belief and then if you think you reasonable and rational study the details of Shia belief which claims that what is the soul?]]]]

You are being killed by details that blind you from the obvious truth.

1Jo 5:10  He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.

[[[[it is mentioned in Quran that Allah breathed the soul into us,....]]]]

Is that what it says?
Sura 32:9 But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something OF HIS SPIRIT. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!

Exd 31:3 And I have filled him with the SPIRIT OF GOD, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

God's Spirit is a part of God. For Christians, God IN us.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the SPIRIT OF GOD moved upon the face of the waters.

Muslims claim that Christians belief in God's Spirit means we worship 2 Gods. Just more Mohammedan hypocrisy and lying.

[[[[[...... so does that mean that mean the soul is the breath of God !, well it took me along time to study what really believe in i suggest you go do the same and dont ask question from the point of accusation or finding the gap but finding the truth the rational way which is go and research through your heart inside and outside primary and secondary.

We are all the spirits of God thats what the Bible, Torah and Quran Claims......]]]

That is a lie. Mohammedanism may make the claim. NOT the Word of God.
Christians are filled with God's Spirit:

1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Unregenerate persons such as Muslim Gentiles that reject the blood of Jesus can't even understand the things of the Spirit of God:

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

[[[[.... but we Muslims especially Shia refer to Isa the Spirit of God as he was born without a father......]]]]

Maybe this will help you understand what a pack of lies you have bought into. 234 verses declare God the Father:

Matthew 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

http://www.islamandthetruth.com/god_the_father.htm

But you deny the Son of God. "the Son of God" referenced 44 times and "Son" another 63 times:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=56.0

Jhn 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

http://www.islamandthetruth.com/jesus.htm

[[[[[.... and thats what it means but not the father and the holy ghost and the son which takes from God the holiness of greatness and out of our limited sight.]]]]

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.

Satan deceived the false prophet Mohammed, just as Mohammed deceived you with his lies.
A 6th century reprobate reciting the ONLY anti-another-religion, religion, on earth.
And the fruit? Imperialistic conquest of nearly the whole known world in the First Jihad, and over 12,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks just since 9-11 in this Second Islamic Jihad.

[[[[[  Isa -peace be upon him- is Prophet of Allah not his son or God .....]]]

That's what makes you and Mohammed antichrists:

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:...

For which you will receive your reward just as Mohammed:

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

Rejecting the grace of the only begotten Son of God. God manifest on earth as a perfect example for all mankind. For what? In favor of A SINGLE 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief.

If a single characterization is incorrect, according to your own books, please inform.

[[[[[....soul in a human body, Isa -peace be upon him- has the same message the five prophets had before him and after him which is Love, Passion to Faith and Peace that leads to total happiness.

If you just get out from the box of hatred .....]]]]

I spend so much of my time with Muslims out of love.
If I hated you I would simply ignore you and let Satan continue to lay claim to you.

[[[[[.......and start thinking like a rational person; .......]]]]

That's your problem. Depending on your own failed thinking, instead of depending on the Word of God through which God revealed Himself to us.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/

[[[[......in my country Muslims Get married to Christians and Catholic Christians study Ahlulbayt -peace be upon them- path in their schools so what you are claiming is sickness that needs cure and im offering it to you and its easy research with heart but not with hype.]]]]

But you can't even see where the sickness lies. How many of the Muslim men that marry Christian women plan to convert to Christianity?
Muslim marriage to kuffar is just another form of Islamic conquest.

[[[[You know if you want me to intorduce my Belief its my pleasure.....]]]]

The Quran does a very good job of introduction.
Surah 4:157  That they said (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear... FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT

Islam is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what is bequeathed to us in the Word of God.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_the_opposite.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4

Islam is of Satan. You follow the 23 year record of A SINGLE 6th century reprobate. Here is a picture of your 53 year old prophet splashing in the tub with his 9 year old "wife":

bukhari (6:298) Narrated 'Aisha:

The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).

[[[...... but if you want me to debate false accusations.......]]]]

Not my accusations, my friend.

1John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth HIM THAT BEGAT loveth HIM also THAT IS BEGOTTEN of him.

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE SON OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE SON OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Surah 9.30 THE JEWS CALL ‘UZAIR A SON OF GOD, AND THE CHRISTIANS CALL CHRIST THE SON OF GOD. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. GOD’S CURSE BE ON THEM: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Mohammed's god - Satan - even curses Christians and Jews.

[[[[...... then no and you are wasting your time while im happy living with my Christian friends here and teaching them all about Muhammad -peace be upon him- and his house hold (Ahlulbayt) -peace be upon them.]]]]

If you aren't simply a deceiver practicing taqiyyah, you would start by teaching Christians the DIFFERENCES between Islam and Christianity.
Try starting with these verses in this order:

Surah 9.30 THE JEWS CALL ‘UZAIR A SON OF GOD, AND THE CHRISTIANS CALL CHRIST THE SON OF GOD. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. GOD’S CURSE BE ON THEM: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious HAS BEGOTTEN A SON!" 89 INDEED YE HAVE PUT FORTH A THING MOST MONSTROUS!

Surah 4:157  That THEY SAID (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST JESUS the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT:-

I would really like to know what they say.
But you won't present those verses to them will you.
That's because in Islam there is no love of truth. That's why God sent you the strong delusion under which you suffer:

2Thes 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 [EVEN HIM],WHOSE COMING IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because THEY RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 

[[[[Sorry but if you study what i recommended for you alot of questions would be answered by now and you would say wow there is too much philosophy into the answer that can't be discussed in here or even ask about it the way i did!!

Salam, Peace be upon you]]]]

I can only say "wow" how you poor folks are suffering under the Satanic delusion of your false prophet.
As far as too much to discuss here, I fully agree. Let's go where we can quote each other, post live links and hold each other accountable.
Let's move out of the dark alley of personal messaging and into the light.
I have copy and pasted our chat into a forum where we can do exactly that. It will be just you and I. Come join me there if you don't share the cowardice of your false prophet.
Create any username you want to log in with. You don't have to compromise your YouTube ID:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=353.0

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Re: Chat with mas
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2009, 11:16:34 AM »
You must have missed my invite to our conversation.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=353.0

Let's revisit where we began.
Did Deedat use a phony bible verse of his own creation, for his phony proof that Mohammed was not antichrist, or not? The attached will help immensely.

A simply yes or no will do.
Phony verse or not?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_4_tbN-b_A

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Re: Chat with mas
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2009, 11:17:34 AM »
[[[[Salam, May Allah open my eyes if im blind and may Allah remove the hatred inside your heart and fill it with passion to peace and Respect. Goodbye my friend]]]

That you couldn't simply admit to Deedat's lie demonstrates should show you that you have no love of truth. You love a lie. Satan is the author of lies.
You follow him through his prophet Mohammed.
No Muslim can have a love of truth and remain a Muslim.

2Thes 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 [EVEN HIM],WHOSE COMING IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because THEY RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

[[[[My time is limited and Im willing to day on my strongest believe of all with Only one God and Muhammad is his prophet ....]]]]

But Mohammed was the prophet of Satan. The perfect OPPOSITE.

[[[[....and Ahlulbayt are my beating heart, As im sharing love inshallah in heaven with Muhammad,.....]]]]

Mohammed deluded you into believing that you are heading to Mohammed's heaven of multiple virgins to defile that will whore for you and wine and chickens. A false heaven purely of the flesh to appeal to 6th century desert dwelling pillaging, plundering, raping, murdering reprobates.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

For ever is a very long time, my friend.

[[[[..... Isa, Mosa, Noh, Ibrahim and all the prophets peace be upon him.]]]

You blaspheme all the prophets and apostles of God's Holy Word, as Satan's Mohammedanism requires it.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_the_opposite.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4

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Re: Chat with mas
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2009, 11:19:03 AM »
[[[[Salam, God bless You but you are still a very lost Christian a land where the mind should be so big......]]]]

Ya right. A big mind is how the Episcopal "church" has come to ordain homosexuals rather than follow the Word of God.

[[[[...... and you quit by saying, You dont love the truth, satan..etc and you don't have time for details. Excuse but i can't believe in a relegion that didn't solve any thing for me.]]]]

You never surrendered your heart to Jesus Christ.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Muslims4Jesus?blend=2&ob=1

[[[[I told read about my path then ask me if there is something missing.....]]]

And I told you there is. Jesus Christ's crucifixion, death and resurrection. The precious blood that was shed to save us all. Without it we die wallowing in your sins. The WHOLE SUBJECT of the Word of God.

[[[[...... and troubling you and at the end i discovered one thing. that i know more about your relegion and i have patience to disrespectful person like you who shouldn't be proud......]]]]

I am not proud. I am simply to the point because I know our time is short and I am desperate for you.
But what you haven't done is consider all of the verses that condemn Mohammed and his STAND ALONE false religion. That has nothing to do with me.

[[[[..... being a Christian and at the same time willing to speake respectfully till the day of Judgment......]]]

I could kiss the Quran like the pope too. But all that would do is encourage you to remain in Satan's grip.

[[[[..... an get carried to heaven by the guirdian angels of Muhammad,....]]]

Sorry my friend but these aren't my words:

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

[[[...... Isa, Mosa, Noh and Ibrahim while you wine about false and disrespectful, hatred accusation to my dear beloving Prophet....]]]

A tool of Satan. The PERFECT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ. A sex crazed violent murdering thieving reprobate, as bequeated to us by YOUR books.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=336.0

[[[[..... and by the way an accusation to my Prophet is an accusation to all prophet ......]]]

Pure foolishness. Your empty words.
The bible warned specifically about false prophets and particularly THE false prophet.

[[[[.....including Isa which you transferred his name to jesus.]]]

That is a translation of Yeshua to English. It is translated into many other languages as well.
But you deny the Son of God and the blood that He shed for you.

[[[[You with christianity didnt solve rape,....]]]

That's what Muslims do through arranging the lives of their daughters.
Also through marrrying multiple wives.
Also through raping of 9 year old children.
You have never been able to put yourself in a 9 year old girl's shoes or you could see this. The prophet Daniel prophesied of your absence of interest in the desires of women.

And why didn't you mention thievery? Islam is still on it's 1400 year pillaging and plundering campaign in Africa and elsewhere.
There is a whole sura devoted on the disposition of property stolen from others that details Mohammed's 1/5 share. Common thievery.

1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

[[[[.... slavery, separation, women degrading, false accusations, keeping the truth from truth seekers, dancing and claiming it as a prayer, some dive in a small pool and be washed from his sins...etc from practices and beleifs that any human mind would reject.]]]]

Thinking you can use your head to understand God is exactly your problem.
All of the things you mention and more, are solved through a change in our heart. NEVER through our heads.
Look at Walid Shoebat. From a former PLO terrorist Jew hater, to loving and standing up for Jews today. Jesus is all that can do that in a man.

Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

That's what being "born again" is all about.

[[[Islam the relegion of truth, made women at first place .....]]]

You can't fool me. Women are as tilth to approach when or how a man wants. Period. As long as marriage in Islam exists, slavery will never end.

"Saudi society is based on Masters and slaves....To be more precise masters and maids... masters are the men and slaves are the women.... The ownership of a woman is passed from one man to another.... from the father or the brother, to another man, the husband."
http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1465wmv&ak=null

Marrying a 9 year old is something that only a modern day pig would do, like this pig:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-DA4WmfFWI

Have you deceived yourself into believing that children of 9 years old are capable of determining what they want in a future and a husband? Particularly when their father forces them into marriage?
Are they old enough to determine if they want to have sex with such a pig? It isn't even their choice to make. Only the pig's.

[[[.....speak loudly without people looking at her bikini or body parts,....]]]

It is true that Arab men go mad when they see such things. Your prophet understood that you have no self control. That's why he had to have multiple women bring an accusation of rape, since it is only ever between the raper and his victim, it never exists.
This is because Islam is without God. It is of Satan.

[[[[.... white yellow red black people all live in one community,....]]]

They do in the U.S. too. The difference between the U.S. and Arab countries is they do it in freedom, rather than being forced to through complete and total oppression.

[[[[...... no alchohol, no drugs, i get married then have sex with my wife that didnt lose her virginity,....]]]

What about your virginity? Which wife? Which concubine? Which 24 hour wife?
Even your false prophet fornicated with concubines and had children with them.

[[[[....... willing to read and study about any relegion.....]]]

Most Christians are neglegent in this matter in their own religion and I fear for them. So much blindness and apathy from Sunday only "Christians" is what has left 1.5 billion Muslims hanging out to dry, bound for perdition, in Satan's grip.

[[[..... and pratice to beleive in my faith more and more as i grow, willing to argue but not disrespect,.....]]]

You are not in a position to disrespect. Most Muslims believe Jesus was the only perfect man.
You believe Jesus is the only person in human history to have been born of a virgin, purely by the will of God, but the false prophet Mohammed prevents you from recognizing that He is the only begotten Son of God, as detailed over and over in God's Holy Word.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=56.0

[[[[..... willing to return a sin with a virtue......]]]

You don't seem to recognize our own filthiness.
Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

[[[... and willing to return with god bless you when people shout at me with accusation of terorrism,......]]]

I am sure you are peaceful. If they are speaking of Islamic terrorism you cannot argue it. From the imperialistic rape, pillage, plunder and sexual enslavement of the First Islamic Jihad, to over 12,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world, just sinvce 9-11 in this Second Islamic Jihad:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

[[[...... freedom takers,....]]]

Look at Islam around the world. Bibles banned. Apostates killed.

[[[[...... rapers...]]]]

You may pretend there is no rape in Islam is because you know that it takes the testimony of 3 women to bring an allegation of rape. Women are raped in Islam perhaps more than any other group including secular society.
The difference is, besides having no voice in court, Muslim women know they must remain silent or their father's will kill them for having been the victim of a rape.

This isn't the 6th century my friend. The news is out. Here's a dad that stood on his daughter's neck as he was stabbing her to death. All for telling a friend of hers that she liked a British man who worked at a charity with her:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-562358/Teenage-Iraqi-girl-fell-love-BRITISH-soldier-Basra-murdered-father-honour-killing.html

Her brothers rushed to her aid, but when their dad told them why he was killing her they helped their father kill their sister.
That's the true face of Islam, my friend. The face of Satan.

Heaven's sakes. Your own prophet was a rapist. The Quran also prescribes rape. Do you think that women taken in battle and screwed by their captors is consensual sex?

"O prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war..."

Why do you think that the Jewess who Mohammed captured in battle eventually poisoned him? How would you have liked to have been her? He kills your husband then piles you in with the rest of his harem and screws you along with multiple other women. That's not rape?

And what about how to pimp out your sex slaves?
Surah 24:33...Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world,......... IF.......... they would preserve their chastity. and if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be forgiving, Merciful.

But IF they dont want to preserve their chastity then pimp em out and make some cash!
And even IF you force them into prostitution Allah will forgive anyway!
What a convenient god!

[[[[etc and tell them May Allah forgive for what you have lost count of and claimed what you have done for more 1000 years on the tRUE AND RIGHTEOUS MUSLIMS.]]]]

True and righteous Muslims:

In Indonesia 3 teenage girls were beheaded on their way to their Christian school and their heads left on the steps of a Church. The note left behind reads: "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."

"Once again, women are the targets. In mid-March, rebels assaulted three women gathering firewood and cut off their ears, lips, and breasts."
"Starting in 2003, Janjaweed Arabs, a Sudan-backed militia, have driven 2 million villagers from their homes in ethnic-cleansing attacks designed to suppress local rebels."

"Eyewitness accounts detailing the militia attacks are horrifying. "They killed my 3-year-old son right in front of my eyes," one father from West Darfur said. Since last fall, women have reported more than 500 rapes. Three women said five militiamen beat and raped them last August. The women said, "After they abused us, they told us that now we would have Arab babies. And, if they would find any [more] women, they would rape them again to change the color of their children.""

AP - December 06, 2006 MOGADISHU, Somalia - "Residents of a southern Somalia town who do not pray five times a day will be beheaded, an Islamic courts official said Wednesday, adding the edict will be implemented in three days."

In the U.S. "Mo Hassan, founder of Bridges TV, a station whose mission was "fostering understanding between cultures and diverse populations," cut off the head of his wife, Aasiya Hassan, 37, who had recently filed for divorce." NBC originally reporting on it now remaining considerably silent about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sk3fKY9PhY

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Re: Chat with mas
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2009, 11:20:51 AM »
[[[[[Your Bible has soo many people playing with the definitions inside of it ......]]]]

Simply more satanic lies you comfort yourself with to justify following the EXACT OPPOSITE in the false prophet Mohammed.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_the_opposite.htm

The bible was written in Hebrew (about half of Daniel in Aramaic) and Koine Greek was the lingua franca of the first century world.
The bible was closed 500 years before Mohammed was ever born.

Modern versions are based on a corrupt 19th century Greek text written by two individuals and should be avoided.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/new_age_bible_versions.htm

The KJV is based on the Greek Textus Receptus assembled by hundreds from thousands of pieces of original papyrii and extant manuscripts.
If you want to check the Koine Greek from the Textus Receptus simply use a good search tool like this one:
http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

Over 5300 partial or complete manuscripts of Gods Word were penned prior to 300AD, in virtually every language that was known to man, that were read all over the known world.
To suggest it was tampered with would require that scribes from Syria, Babylonia, Galatia, Asia, India, Rome, Egypt, Greece, Carthage, Tarshish and Macedonia - to name a few - all made the same mistake, at the same time, for the same doctrinal purpose.
Preposterous notion.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=97.0
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/bible_manuscript_errors_.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R2Zp7T5XlA

The Quran is in such a mess over it's brief 23 year record of recitation that even Mohammed knew that he would be viewed as a fraud by future generations, because of the requirement for such extensive abrogation.
A whopping 71 out of only 114 suras are subject to abrogation.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0

But we should expect this of a book that was first kept in the minds of men, then on leaves and stones, and then when finally collected in written form was collected up and burned - on two separate occasions. Even after all that nobody bothered to try to fix all Mohammed's contradictions to at least try to make it more convincing.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=96.0

In Mohammed's own preposterous words:

Quran 2:106 None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?

Hmmm.....not abrogated.....just........substituted.......for something better!

Surah 16:101 When We substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.

But I don't consider him a forger, as much as a liar. I can prove that. God made him a liar:

1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.

[[[[.....and translated names that must me mentioned the same as its in every language.

20 versions Oh! then people came and said Editions, Well Go and do your home work read them and tell me if you find one similar to another. ......]]]

The church has been under Satanic attack ever since the First Century as John wrote about in the second and third chapters of Revelation. If we weren't under attack by Satan we would have to wonder what we were doing wrong.

In the 19th century the attack intensified with many false prophets:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/traditional_framework.htm#cults

As you point out, the Word of God is also under attack, particularly in the last century and a half:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/new_age_bible_versions.htm

But the Word of God remains very much intact as discovery of some of the original manuscripts at Qumran in 1947 proved.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/bible_manuscript_errors_.htm

It is only the traditions of men that are in error. But nothing is new about that. Jesus warned the pharisees of the very same:

Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

[[[[.....The word of God is not the Word of Jesus they are different ......]]]

See how Satan blinded you?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


In spite of all the bad bible versions, and all the cults, from Latter Day Saints to Jehova's Witnesses, ALL of these people understand that Jesus died on the cross to save us from our sins. And we have believed it ever since Jesus died on the cross in the first century and gave us the testimony of so many eye witnesses. Then Mohammed came along 500 years later, inspired by Satan, and denied that testimony.

Am I concerned for some of these false prophet followers? Of course I am.
Am I as concerned for them as I am for those who follow A SINGLE - indeed THE - false prophet, that WAS and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ? What do you think?

[[[[.....God is the Creator and JESUS is the prophet from God. their words are different and should be seperated......]]]]

They are.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

[[[[...... in different books and thats the word of God and the traditions of Jesus so people like you doesn't go lost thinking that Jesus is God the Word of God is THE WORD OF Jesus.]]]]

One can't get lost if one simply follows the Word.
Jesus IS God's Word. Manifest, or revealed, in the flesh:
1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.

Even you believe that Mohammed's "Allah" has a spirit, and likely believe the Quran is the word of God. If not, try a yahoo and learn from MUSLIM sites that do.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


Read God's Words, not mine. Why not start with John's First Epistle that Deedat claimed supported Mohammed was a true prophet, and not antichrist? Same KJ version he quoted from:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/first_epistle_john.htm

[[[[Believe me a debate in here is nothing but accusing people.....]]]

But it isn't my words that are doing the accusing:

Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

[[[..... but believe me every person knows when he/she is lost,]]]

That is so sadly, and tragically, untrue:

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.

Indeed the very reverse is true. You have been deceived by your upbringing, and then head and emotions, into following a false prophet and his false god satan, toward your destruction. Forever is a very long time, my friend. It isn't too late to repent. You could die today.

[[[[ And you know my friend and i don't speak emotionally because my heart moves from who created me and speak logically from the mind .....]]]

If this is the Christian friend you reference, please present him the 3 verses from the Quran I recommended ("killed him not" "Allah's curse" on Christians and Jews, and re begotten Son of God "a thing most monstrous") and ask him what he thinks. But you won't will you. You will continue with your fraudulent misrepresentation of Mohammed's words. Your taqiyyah, Lying in the way of Mohammed's "Allah".

Your "logic" is exactly the self-deception I was speaking of.

Mar 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

All of Deedat's Greek sophist styled antics only won him a place burning in hell.

[[[[......that God has created in me to define right from wrong.......]]]

That's your problem. As long as you remain unregenerate you will have to depend on your failed human logic that you think God put in you but deceive yourself with. That's why Muslims still "marry" 9 year olds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-DA4WmfFWI

God created a new heart in me. Being filled with God's Spirit is how I know right from wrong:

Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

You could never find God with failed logic:

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

[[[[..... if takes all my life, if it takes all my breath, if takes my life.]]]

The false prophet Mohammed has already taken your life.

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE SON OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.

I challenge you to listen to a few testimonies of your former brethren who have come to know the love of the one true God:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Muslims4Jesus

[[[ I believe Allah (GOD) HAS NO SIGHT HE IS Evey where......]]]

If you believe God is everywhere then why do you bow to a stone in Mecca 5 times a day? Why do you go and prance around it for days?

Very different for Christians:

1Th 5:17 Pray without ceasing.

That describes relationship, not ritual.
Indeed we are warned:

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

[[[...... and by saying he is the father .....]]]

234 verses describe God as the Father:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=316.0

[[[[......than that means he has a son.....]]]

EXACTLY:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=56.0

[[[[.... and by saying he has a son that means obviously to small and ignorant and brilliant mind he has a wife ......]]]

A very astute description of the mind of your 6th century illiterate desert dwelling reprobate that likely had an IQ around 60. Even Mohammed was disappointed that he didn't have the mental capacity to learn how to read.

Even you believe Jesus was conceived in a virgin, purely by the will of God.
The term "Son of God" is applied to Jesus 44 times and "Son" another 63 times, but you must reject God's Word for your false prophet Mohammed.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=56.0

God IS. His name is I AM.

Exd 3:13...and they shall say to me, What [is] his NAME?...14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

"Allah" is a name of blasphemy, just as prophesied of the Islamic empire beast:

Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

We could only know God by the ways He chose to reveal Himself to us. Through His Spirit, and as He manifest Himself to us in the flesh, providing the perfect example for all mankind.

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Re: Chat with mas
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2009, 11:21:03 AM »
[[[[.......and by saying no then what well the son is God soul in a human body and he is moving around us,.....]]]

Only in those of us that know and love Him.

Exd 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

http://www.beholdthebeast.com/temple_of_god.htm

[[[[[..... So then God is limited......]]]

That's the failure of Mohammedans. They limit God to their carnal human imaginations. You have to put God in a box the same size that a 6th century desert dwelling illiterate did. I can understand it of those back then. But in the 21st century? In this information age? When bibles are so available? You are left without excuse.

[[[[....... moving around us then we can see him, oh! then we can catch him,.....]]]

Is that what happened?

John 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

[[[[..... oh! then we can crucify him. and he has a return because he is God .....]]]

Just as He promised.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/temple_of_god.htm

[[[[.....then he did die from the first place!!!???]]]

Yes He did. Died and was buried and rose again on the third day. Risen in the flesh.

Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

You seem so surprised even though you believe that Jesus raised the dead from their graves, like Lazarus.

[[[[Read Your Bible and see if you are in a conflict by your self ......]]]

There is no conflict for me. I am guided by God's Spirit.

[[[[.......or just want to accuse some one......]]]

Not me. It is God Himself that accuses Mohammed, and by extension, yourself:

1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.

[[[..... to make you feel nothing is wrong or no body is hiding any thing from you. my religion is clear ........]]]

Then how do you explain all the terrorism?
How do you explain Sunni and Shiite murder of each others innocent men, women and children?
Fathers murdering their daughters?
The murder of "apostates" that come to know the love of the one true God through Jesus Christ?
These are all explained because Mohammed's phony book requires the Al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh. Abrogation is determined by each Muslim. Those that murder non-Muslims (there are no innocent non-Muslims) are simply doing what they can to please Mohammed's "Allah":

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

YOU CANNOT DENY THAT THEY ARE MOTIVATED BY MOHAMMED'S BOOK.

Also explained because your own prophet was a murdering, raping, pillaging, plundering, sex enslaving, slave pimping, common thief and coward, as bequeathed to us by your own books.
They are simply trying to be like him.
Jesus brought sight to the blind. Mohammed blinded the seeing.
Jesus healed the lame. Mohammed lamed the able.
Jesus brought the dead back to life. Mohammed killed the living.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_the_opposite.htm#mohammed_opposite

[[[.......to my and im willing to teach Christianity and Islam and Judaism.

But such debates never works it will end with no results,......]]]

Could never be resolved. How could a STAND ALONE 6th century religion that IS and teaches the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Word of God be reconciled? Absolute folly to believe it could.
How could the Islamic empire, described as a "leopard", change it's spots?

Jer 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? [then] may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

It never can. That doesn't mean that Jesus can't change your heart, my friend.

[[[[..... go research with your beating heart loving Jesus for the truth and if its what you are on then what a shiny light and great scholar you became.]]]

You suffer under profound misunderstanding. One doesn't need to be a scholar to come to Jesus. Indeed as the verse I shared earlier the reverse is true. Unless you approach Him as a child you will not see the kingdom of God.

[[[[These are my Prophets....]]]

You are sorely deluded. Mohammed is your ONLY prophet. He deluded you into thinking his STAND ALONE religion has something to do with God, but it is the OPPOSITE.

[[[[.... and i shall face them in the day of Judgment ......]]]

You see? You couldn't even get right who you will face. The very one you deny is who you will face:

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

How will you be judged? I can't know the judgments of God but based on the verse below I'm glad I am not in a Mohammedan's shoes.

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

[[[[.....and yet be one of the leaders under Isa and IMAM Mahdi command when the time comes and you shall be one of the soldiers,.....]]]

Another profound misunderstanding. I am a soldier AT THIS VERY MOMENT, fighting with the Sword of the Spirit. That may be why my approach could seem a bit militant to you:

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

[[[..... As we believe the return of Isa is from Heaven to give command to Imam Mahdi PROPHET MUHAMMAD GRANDSON .......]]]

Phony Mohammedan fairy tales. Here is what God's Word says of the Islamic beast and your false prophet at the end:

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

[[[[......and together they will "spread peace and justice in the world after it was filled with oppression and aggression":]]]]]]

More fairy tales. The world will cease. Time itself will end:

Rev 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: 7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The elemental principles:

2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

God's saints in heaven. The new heaven and new earth. Those that follow THE false prophet cast into the lake of fire with him.

[[[[Muhammad is my Prophet]]]]

Indeed he is. The prophet and tool of Satan himself.

[[[[Isa is my Prophet]]]

You blaspheme him by denying His blood that would save you.

]]]Mosa is my Prophet
Noh is my Prophet
Ibrahim is my Prophet]]]

None of these are. Just like the bible said the Islamic empire blasphemes God's name, His tabernacle (Christians), and those in heaven that you mention.

Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

[[[[Peace be upon them all

SALAM and peace be upon you.]]]]

May the God bless you and show you THE truth:

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

I again challenge you to listen to a few of your former brethren who have come to know the love of the one true God:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Muslims4Jesus?blend=2&ob=1

Then go listen to the testimonies of "converts" to Islam.

You will find that the conspicuous difference is that those that went to Islam believe themselves changed by their heads.
Those that have come to the love of Jesus Christ have changed hearts.
It is an obvious difference that even a child could see in both testimonies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aza63eHks8s

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Re: Chat with mas
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2009, 11:36:26 AM »
[[[[same as i expected, Just know one thing my friend, You don't speak out of Logic you talk simply out of your senseless heart which doesn't make any sense. Salam]]]

I let the Word of God speak for itself as it condemns Mohammed as a false prophet.
It is easier to see the volume of scripture I cited in the forum as I could make it blue.
This has nothing to do with me as much as you may wish it did. I am simply the messenger, with the Sword of the Spirit.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=353.0

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Re: Chat with mas
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2009, 11:37:17 AM »
Here's our conversation with active links to make your study easier:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=353.0

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« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2009, 01:25:48 PM »
[[[God Bless, Allah the mighty may protect you from all eyes of envy and make you continue on studying the righteous path.

I can't have a conversation here especially with some one who doesn't respect the principles of talking,.....]]]

Which to a Muslim requires me to have "respect" for THE false prophet. Surely ou can see how impossible that would be for a Christian that knows anything about Mohammed's book.

[[[[...... and i don't believe messages will bring good results because to be honest as i always, i have to read the bible my own and buy several versions .....]]]

All straying outsed the KJV will provide for you is confusion. Try the KJV with a Textus Receptus Greek/English interlinear if you have questions.

[[[.......of it to see weather people are lying about it or saying the truth, so maybe i would understand your messege the wrong way, don't send any more keep it to your self.

Salam, May peace be upon you.]]]]

All you need to stop me is to end sending me the PMs to reply to.
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Re: Chat with mas
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2009, 01:30:34 PM »
[[[God bless but thanks your words are all wrong and out of context. Especially if its you some one who reads out of his own wish to translate what he reads to his own bad use. Salam, May peace be upon you]]]

But I showed you the ENTIRE CONTEXT of the First Epistle that Deedat made up his own bible verses to deceive you with. It is included with this message. Please see it IN CONTEXT rather than pretending he isn't a liar.

But then you won't. You will hide from the truth, just as Mohammedans have for 1400 years. Forever is a very long time, my friend.

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