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[Peter]

THE REVELATION OF JOHN STARTS LIKE THAT :

In the future please use the KJV. Same version your hero Ahmed Deedat used.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=268.0

You can copy and paste the KJV very easily from this source:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/
You can find verses very easily by knowing just a few words in the verse, or by book, chapter, number.

The Revelation to John

1:1 1:1 This is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him( THAT IS RIGHT GOD GAVE TO HIM ) to show to his servants the things which must happen soon, which he sent and made known by his angel to his servant, John, 1:2 1:2 who testified to Gods word, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, about everything that he saw.
1:3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written in it, for the time is at hand. ( WE BELIEVE THAT )( WHY THE JEWS DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT TOO ? )

Perhaps because some Jews have been sovereignly blinded to the Gospels:

Rom 11:8  (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

Seems they can be enemies of the Gospel but still beloved:

Rom 11:28  As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes.

You are a Gentile, my friend, without excuse.
You are not a Jew.

1:4 John, to the seven assemblies that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from God, ( SALAAM )who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits who are before his throne; 1:5 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead,

Do you understand this? Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave, before He was crucified. But Lazarus died in the flesh again. Jesus was raised in the flesh to die no more.

and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us,( WE LOVE HIM TOO WITH REAL LOVE MORE THEN YOU DO !!! )

Satan believes Jesus is the Messiah too.
You only pretend to love Him because you know full well that according to the 1600 year record that God gave us through ALL the prophets, apostles, and legions of witnesses we learn he was crucified, died and was buried and rose again on the third day to save us from dying in our sins.

Mat 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.

You can't love Jesus my friend YOU REJECT HIM. You reject the blood that would save you purely because you follow the STAND ALONE religion of A SINGLE 6th century false prophet that WAS and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE. You blaspheme Jesus every time you reject the blood that would save you.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=148.0

1Timothy 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

God manifest, or revealed, Himself in Jesus Christ to provide a way for us to come to Him.

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

The choice is yours. So far you have chosen the path of antichrist:

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

The path of antichrist, not loving Christ. It was Satan himself that met Mohammed in that cave:

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=54.0

and washed us from our sins by his blood; (HERE WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT LITERALLY LIKE YOU UNDERSTAND IT )

You understand it fully. You simply deny the blood that would save you purely because of Mohammed. You reject Jesus Christ.
Blood from the beginning. That was the primary purpose of the Solomonic temple that God had His chosen people build on the temple mount, to sacrifice animals. Old covenant or new:

Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and WITHOUT SHEDDING OF BLOOD IS NO REMISSION.

The body of Christ, Jesus followers, are that temple today:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.  20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=54.0

1:6 1:6 and he made us to be a Kingdom, priests* to his God and Father; ( DOES JESUS CHRIST HAVE A GOD TOO NOT ONLY FATHER ? ) to him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Jesus Christ IS God, manifest to us in the flesh. At least 234 verses refer to God as not only His but our Father:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=316.0

Once Jesus was risen in His glorified body He said:
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH.

Does that sound like your average son of God, such as myself? Of course not. He is not only our advocate:

1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

He will also be our judge:

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

[Peter]

 Your comment
Hi np! How've you been? I caught your message on my channel comments and thought you might have missed my reply which was:

Hey np! It just struck me today to send you a pm, and I hadn't gotten around to it, and then found your note? here! How are you doing my friend?
I wonder if you could answer a couple of questions?

1. Do you believe Allah has a Spirit?

Sura 32.9: But He fashioned him in due proportion, and BREATHED INTO HIM SOMETHING OF HIS SPIRIT. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding).

And:
2. Do you believe the Quran is the Word of Allah?

You can yahoo up Muslim sites for the last question if you haven't thought about it.
Yes or no answers are fine.

[Peter]

 Re: Your comment
[[[1. Do you believe Allah has a Spirit? ALLAH IS SPIRIT HIMSELF FROM WHICH SPIRIT EVERYTHING EXIST IN THE PHYSICAL AND THE SPIRITUAL WORLDS !

Sura 32.9: But He fashioned him in due proportion, and BREATHED INTO HIM SOMETHING OF HIS SPIRIT. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding).]]]

Let's start here. What you suggest is not what the Quran SAYS:

OF that means OF
HIS that would be Allah
SPIRIT that would be the Spirit that Allah possesses. Allah's Spirit. HIS SPIRIT.
Please support your suggestion by showing me what verses in the Quran say that Allah IS a spirit. (Come on, don't BS me Tereeb. We know each other better than that!)
Indeed where Allah is apparently limited to being ONLY a Spirit.
You folks sure like putting God into your little boxes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEfKpgiYgHY

[Peter]

4-14

 Re: ISLAM and HUMANITY
[[[[ARE ARABS AND ALL MUSLIMS SATANISTS ?]]]]

Muslims aren't Satanists. Satanists are people who overtly worship Satan.

Muslims have been deluded by their false prophet Mohammed into believing they worship God, though they worship the EXACT OPPOSITE, of the 1600 year record that He gave us through all of the prophets, apostles and legions of witnesses.

Even Mohammed believed it was jinn that met him in the cave and made him think he was getting the life squeezed out of him 3 times.



Quoting a truly great man, that accurately and prophetically describes Islam, particularly in the cradle of the religion:

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or liveThe fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualitiesbut the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africaand were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome. - by Sir Winston Churchill - The River War, Vol. II, pp. 248-50, London; Longman, Green & Co., 1899

[Peter]

[[[[Muslims have been deluded by their false prophet Mohammed into believing they worship God, ? WAS PROPHET MUHAMMAD AWARE OF THAT HE IS TALKING TO SATAN .....]]]]

Even you know that Mohammed believed it was jinn that met him in the cave and squeezed him three times while asking him to read. The bible warned of exactly his encounter:

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

It was only the lone testimony of his wife that talked him out of it and she wasn't even a witness. That's the same reason that the bible is full of WITNESSES.

Deu 19:15 ... at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

[[[[.....AND RECEIVING THE QUR'AN FROM THE FALSE GABRIEL ACTUALLY FROM SATAN HIM SELF ?]]]

Without question. That's why it is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Word of God. It is the product of a self-serving false prophet in conjunction with a jealous fallen angel.

Mat 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.

The new covenant through Jesus shed blood is the WHOLE SUBJECT of the New Testament. That's what New Testament MEANS.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear... FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT

Obviously the product of a jealous fallen angel that hates Jesus.

[[[[ DID HE SIGN SOME KIND OF PACT WITH SATAN.....]]]]

Mohammed was deluded by Satan, who appeared to him as an angel of light.

[[[[.... AND DELUDED HIS ( SAHABA ) DISCIPLES AND ALL HIS FUTURE FOLLOWERS ?]]]

Of course. It isn't like the bible didn't warn us about false prophets my friend.

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

But Mohammed came as a ravening wolf.
The PERFECT OPPOSITE of Jesus.
watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4
Leading another 1.5 billion to their destruction in the world today.

The scriptural evidence is compelling enough to suggest that Mohammed is THE false prophet:

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

We have plenty of other false prophets even in the church. Mary Baker Eddy (Christian Science), Charles Taze Russell (Jehova's Witnesses), Joseph Smith (Mormons).
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/traditional_framework.htm#cults

It is unimaginable to you that you could be following a false prophet, but we tend to follow what we are raised with and taught. Don't you think the Mormons, and Jehova's Witnesses, and Christian Science cults find it just as unimaginable that they follow false prophets too?

While those cults include teachings of false prophets, they also all believe we are blood bought, by Jesus Christ our Savior.

God's people have been under Satanic attack ever since before John wrote about it, even in the first century. We can follow false prophets, or the Word of God. The TRUTH.

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

[[[[ though they worship the EXACT OPPOSITE, of the 1600 year record that He gave us through all of the prophets, apostles and legions of witnesses.

THANK YOU PETEWALDO FOR YOUR ANSWER]]]

You are welcome my friend.
ONE MUST CHOOSE.

The 1600 year revelation of God to mankind through ALL of the prophets and apostles and legions of witnesses, as revealed through His Word, or the PERFECT OPPOSITE in the person, and 23 year record, of A SINGLE, 6th century pillaging, plundering, murdering, stepson's wife taking, child doing, false prophet.

2Thes 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 [EVEN HIM],WHOSE COMING IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because THEY RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dejfJNF2_s

[Peter]

[[[[Even you know that Mohammed believed it was jinn that met him in the cave( AT THAT TIME HE DID NOT GET YET THE PROPHET HOOD , HE WAS JUST REGULAR GUY LIKE ME AND YOU PETE ) and squeezed him three times while asking him to read.]]]]

Does it sound like an angel of God that would almost squeeze the life out of you 3 times and then inspire you to write the PERFECT OPPOSITE of the Word of God 500 years after that Word was closed?

[[[[ The bible warned of exactly his encounter:
Without question. That's why it is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Word of God. It is the product ( ILLITERAL MAN TO PRODUCE SUCH BOOK LIKE QUR'AN ) ]]]

If you mean illiterate, so what? Illiteracy is no miracle. It is generally the product of an extremely low IQ. Illiteracy doesn't indicate deafness.
Even Mohammed was embarrassed that he couldn't learn to read and write.
Mohammed traveled extensively with his uncle and then later in his sugar momma's business. He was heavily exposed to others. He surrounded himself with a defrocked Roman Catholic priest and such. That's where he obviously got the pieces of Jewish fables and Mary worship that he spun into the Quran.

[[[[of a self-serving false prophet in conjunction with a jealous fallen angel.( HOW CAN THE ANGELS OF GOD TO BE FALLEN AND TO COMIT SIN AGAINST GOD , WHAT KIND OF GOD IS THAT WHAT KIND OF ANGELS HE CREATE ) ?]]]]

The Greek word "anglos" simply means messenger.

an angel
New Testament Greek Definition:
32 aggelos {ang'-el-os}
from aggello [probably derived from 71, cf 34] (to bring tidings);
TDNT - 1:74,12; n m
AV - angel 179, messenger 7; 186
1) a messenger, envoy, one who is sent, an angel, a messenger
from God

Satan was cast down at Jesus resurrection.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Satan appeared as an angel of light to Mohammed just like he did to Joseph Smith of the Mormons, for example. Nothing to marvel at.

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

[[[[ DID HE SIGN SOME KIND OF PACT WITH SATAN.....]]]]

Mohammed was deluded by Satan, who appeared to him as an angel of light.( BUT YOU ARE STILL NOT GIVING ME THE RIGHT ANSWER, WHY )]]]]

Of course I did. If I missed a specific question please repeat it.

ONE MUST CHOOSE between the 1600 year record of God through ALL of his messengers, or the 23 year record of Mohammed that was the OPPOSITE.

[[[[.... AND DELUDED HIS ( SAHABA ) DISCIPLES AND ALL HIS FUTURE FOLLOWERS ?]]]

Of course. It isn't like the bible didn't warn us about false prophets my friend. ( YES THE FALSE PROPHETS CAME AFTER JESUS FROM THE JEWS AND FORM THE CHRISTIANS TILL TODAY ,....]]]]

That's why we have to "prove all things" through the Word of God.

2Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].

[[[[[.... WHAT WILL BE THE WORLD PRESIDENT IF NOT THE FALSE JESUS ) ]]]]

I don't believe the bible calls for a world president. A world government, maybe. But I don't use prophecy to predict the future, only fulfilled prophecy, to prove the truth of God's Word, as in the attached.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdi8PzPWrb8

[Peter]

[[[IF PROPHET MUHAMMAD WAS AWARE OF THAT WHAT YOU CLAIM TO BE DELUDED BY SATAN ,THAT MEANS GOD CHOSE HIM AND ALL ARABS DESCENDANTS OF THE FATHER ABRAHAM ....]]]

The promise is in the seed of Isaac, not Ishmael. But that doesn't mean you can't be saved.

[[[[......TO GO TO HELL BECAUSE WHOLE REAL ARAB WORLD IS UNDER ISLAM. ]]]]

There is no love of truth in Islam. Even you are familiar with Islamic subterfuge, or taqiyyah.

[[[[DO YOU THINK GOD COULD BE SO TWO FACES TO PROMISE TO ABRAHAM SOMETHING FOR ISHAK ( ISAAK )....]]]

Genesis 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for IN ISAAC SHALL THY SEED BE CALLED.

[[[[.... AND AT THE SAME TIME GOD PROMISED TO ABRAHAM HE WILL HELP ISHMAIL ( ISMAIL )....]]]]

Abraham disowned Ishmael and cast he and his mother - Sarah's handmaiden Hagar - out of the home of Abraham and his wife Sarah.

Gen 21:8 And the child grew, and was weaned: and Abraham made a great feast the [same] day that Isaac was weaned. 9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking. 10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, [even] with Isaac.

Since then the seed of Ishmael have been just as prophesied:

Genesis 16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou [art] with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. 12 And he will be a wild man; HIS HAND [will be] AGAINST EVERY MAN, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=237.0

The bloody imperialistic slaughter of Islamic Jihad.

[[[[.... IS THAT GOD'S HELP TO CHOSE FALSE PROPHET FROM ISMAIL TO DELUDE THE WHOLE WORLD AND......]]]]

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and ALL THE WORLD wondered after the beast.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/the_beast.htm

[[[[...... SATAN TO BE ALLOWED TO TAKE ALMOST 2 BILLION INNOCENT PEOPLE TO HELL ?]]]]

The problem is that those people ARE NOT INNOCENT, my friend. They exactly and specifically REJECT Jesus' shed blood. The PERFECT OPPOSITE of Gentile Christians, that follow the Word of God.
Rejecting the blood that Jesus shed for all, through the new covenant, that included us Gentiles.

I can't know God's judgments but I can tell you that according to my bible, those who deny Jesus' shed blood will be condemned by their sins.

Mat 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation THROUGH FAITH IN HIS BLOOD, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

[[[[[ IN MY VISION THAT KIND OF GOD IS BI POLAR !!!]]]

That's because your vision is absent a love of truth.
That's the problem with basing beliefs on failed presumptions, or what we wish to believe, or what we were raised to believe, rather than the Word of God.

[[[[OR IF PROPHET MUHAMMAD WAS NOT AWARE AND HE BELIEVED 100% THAT IS THE REAL ARCHANGEL GABRIEL THEN WHERE IS GOD TO STOP THAT FROM IT'S BEGINNING ,.......]]]]

First, do you really think it was God who allowed Mohammed all the wives and concubines he wanted, but only for him?
Do you really think it was God who gave Mohammed a special sura to enable him to steal his stepson's wife?
That told him that It's OK to beat women?
To stone women for adultery?
That told him to smite the unbelievers at the necks and smite all their fingertips off?

Secondly, why did God let Joseph Smith deceive the Mormons?

God DIDN'T!!!!!!! God PREVENTED IT for those who have eyes to see.
We only have to listen to Him:

2Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].

There is only one Gospel of Jesus Christ and it isn't the one that was recited by a single illiterate 6th century murderous, thieving, fornicating reprobate, 500 years after God's Word was closed. 500 years after God sent the perfect example for all mankind.
Don't you find it peculiar that Islam is the ONLY anti-another-religion, religion, by design. The PERFECT OPPOSITE of the Word of God.

[[[[[....... BUT GOD ALLOWED 2 BILLION FOLLOWERS TO BECOME SATAN'S WORSHIPERS WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEDGE WHAT THEY ARE DOING !.....]]]]

Sorry, my friend. YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE, but you reject it.
If you lived in some remote corner of the world, and had never been brought the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but only Mohammedanism, it might even be possible that you would not be condemned.
If someone is too ignorant, or too young to understand the Gospels, or too retarded, there is no transgression, because there is no law:

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.

But you are a Gentile that rejects Jesus Christ and the blood He shed for you. You are without excuse my friend.
IT IS YOUR OWN DOING. DON'T BLAME GOD FOR YOUR OWN TRANSGRESSION.

Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

[[[[..... RIGHT ? BUT YOU CAN NOT SEE WHAT THE OLD TESTAMENT SAY ABOUT THE ILLITERATE PROPHET WHO WILL RECEIVE THE BOOK . WHO IS THIS ILLITERATE PROPHET ]]]

Suggesting that is about Mohammed is just as foolish as saying that Moses prophesied him. Why not read your proof texted verse in context:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=263.0

I have exposed the Mohammedan lies that you have been exposed to, in their own section, in the forum. Let me know if you find any more and I will help you with them:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=33.0

[[[[PLEASE READ THE WHOLE OLD TESTAMENT AGAIN AND AGAIN . BUT I KNOW EVEN YOU SEE IT......]]]]

I see it all the time. I copy and paste from it all the time. Particularly the prophecies of Jesus

Psa 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon ME WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.

Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Prophecies from hundreds of years before Jesus was made manifest to us, blessedly fulfilled:

Act 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

[[[[..... YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE YOU ARE BLINDED.]]]

Sorry my friend. It is not those that follow the Word of God that are blinded.
Let's try another example. Some Muslims falsely claim Moses prophesied Mohammed, citing this verse:

Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him.

They preposterously suggest that the promise is in the seed of Ishmael, and therefore Mohammed is that prophet, but I have already shown you that is a lie:

Genesis 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for IN ISAAC shall thy seed be called.

Jesus Himself said that He is that prophet that Moses spoke of:

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

And in the Acts of the Apostles:

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23 And it shall come to pass, [that] every soul, which will NOT HEAR that prophet, SHALL BE DESTROYED from among the people.

THAT'S A WARNING FOR YOU MY FRIEND.

Deedat claimed that the First Epistle of John confirmed Mohammed was not antichrist, and confirmed Mohammed was a true prophet. Did you ever read it? Please take a moment to view the attached video that comes from the same version he pretended to quote from - the KJV.
It is short and I highlight a few verses from that Epistle.

Please visit this section of the forum to see many more Greek sophist styled Mohammedan lies about the God's Holy Word exposed:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=33.0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDslsWDzPIc

[Peter]

[[[[First, do you really think it was God who allowed Mohammed all the wives and concubines he wanted, but only for him? SECOND DID YOU READ THE OLD TESTAMENT HOW MANY WIVES KING SOLOMON HAD ( 700 ) WASN'T THAT GIVEN TO HIM ( KING SOLOMON ) FROM THE SAME GOD IN WHICH YOU BELIEVE TODAY ?]]]]

But king Solomon wasn't alone. Many men had many wives way back then, though humankind became much more civilized by the 6th century except for desert dwelling reprobates.

WHAT I ASKED is do you really think God would allow ONLY Mohammed, all the wives he wanted, and NOBODY ELSE?

And that God gave Mohammed a special Sura so he could steal his stepson's wife!

Don't you see how preposterously self-serving Mohammed's phony god was? That the parts of the Quran that weren't inspired by Satan were put in by a self-serving imperialistic pillaging plundering reprobate? Can you be that blind?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEfKpgiYgHY

[Peter]

[[[Do you really think it was God who gave Mohammed a special sura to enable him to steal his stepson's wife? DIDN'T KING SOLOMON COMMIT IDOLATRY FOLLOWING SOME PAGAN RITUALS FROM HIS WIVES ? WASN'T HE GUIDED FROM GOD ?]]]]

You have a profound misunderstanding of scripture. Much of the Old Testament is nothing more than historical record, that in no way implies God's tacit approval to much of it's content. Much is simply a record of events.

Mohammed's phony God made accommodation ESPECIALLY FOR HIM ALONE to justify his reprobate behavior of stealing his stepson's wife, thousands of years after mankind's beginnings, that you mention that are detailed in the Old Testament. Mankind had moved far further forward than that by the 6th century - except for Mohammed and Mohammedans unto today. He set Arab progress back 1400 years.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_the_opposite.htm#blessed

[[[[ IF YES HOW CAN HE TO DO SUCH OF THINGS ?
That told him that It's OK to beat women?
To stone women for adultery? WHAT IS THE JEWISH LAW TILL TODAY ? IS IT DIFFERENT THEN THE SHERI'AH LAW ?]]]

Indeed. Sharia is a reprobate law that takes the worst from everything that has ever been known to mankind and uses it to support the reprobate behavior of Muslims men.
When was the last time a Jew was stoned for adultery? Yet Mohammedans stone women unto today, even as men can have multiple wives, concubines, and 1 day marriages.

The problem with your argument is that the seed of Ishmael are GENTILES not JEWS.
You are proving how you are DIRECTLY OUTSIDE of God you are.
You have chosen to exclude yourself from the new covenant that brought salvation to GENTILES like you and I.
Your heart is how you proved it my friend:

John 8:3 Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, 4 they said to Him, "Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. 5 "Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?" 6 This they said, testing Him, that they might have [something] of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with [His] finger, as though He did not hear. 7 So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first." 8 And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 Then those who heard [it,] being convicted by [their] conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest [even] to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

That you can't see your own sinfulness is how you can know you are unregenerate. You proved yourself to be EXACTLY THE SAME as the Pharisees in the above passage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEfKpgiYgHY

[Peter]

[[[That told him to smite the unbelievers at the necks and smite all their fingertips off? WHAT GOD IN WHO YOU BELIEVE COMMANDED THE JEWS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT TO DO AGAINST THE PAGANS , GENTILES, GOYOMS ( GOYAS ) ? WAS IT DIFFERENT ?]]]]

That's the whole point. A NEW COVENANT is what is different. But even the Jewish prophets ended suggestion of using a sword in God's service a thousand years before Jesus brought that new covenant.
Only Mohammedan reprobates TARGET innocent civilians.

The new covenant was prophesied:

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Here is how the law is fulfilled:

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment. 31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. 32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

But you can't even begin to love women, let alone Jews. Once you are able to get inside the heads of others, and take an honest look through their eyes, you will begin to be able to see the above. Until then you will just be blind flailing, wallowing in the way God chose to reveal Himself to His people the Jews, at mankind's beginnings 3500 years ago, to justify the reprobate behavior of your 6th century reprobate false prophet that WAS and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ.

[[[[YOU BLAME PROPHET MUHAMMAD TO BE PEDOPHILE , RIGHT ? DO YOU KNOW IN AFRICA AND SAUDI ARABIA HOW THE CLIMATE INFLUENCE THE PEOPLE ? AND 9 YEAR OLD GIRL IS LIKE 22 YEARS OLD GIRL WHO LIVES IN CANADA FOR EXAMPLE !!!]]]]]

Again you bring the reprobate nature of Muslim men fully into view.
Do you notice how your only interest is the sexual maturity of the girl?
How the girl can be used as a sex tool for a man? No surprise since your wives are as tilth, to be approached how you will.

It never even occurred to you to ponder what the little girl's interest might be.What she might want. Just like this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-DA4WmfFWI

The reason Mohammed waited until Aisha was 9 to have sex is because she was bald. The trauma of being removed from her family and put with Mohammed stressed all her hair out.

That you didn't for a moment consider the desire of the woman is just as Daniel prophesied of Mohammed (and those that follow him):

Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, NOR THE DESIRE OF WOMEN, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4

[Peter]

[[[I don't believe the bible calls for a world president. ARE YOU SURE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE?]]]

The bible explains and defines itself. The only place that the two false end-time doctrines in the church implicate an individual - clearly don't - according to the bible. Please see attached video.
If you believe THE BIBLE calls for an individual please show me where.

[[[[ A world government, maybe. But I don't use prophecy to predict the future, only fulfilled prophecy, to prove the truth of God's Word, BUT IF THAT HAPPEN WHAT I TOLD YOU THEN WHAT YOU GONNA DO AT THAT TIME?]]]

There will come a time that my ministry becomes impossible. At that time Jesus will be just days away. I will rejoice in and with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who paid a terrible price to save me by His shed blood, from perishing with my sins, in the lake of fire.

[[[[as in the attached. YOU SAID A WORLD GOVERNMENT BUT IT WILL BE NOT RULED FROM 1000 PRESIDENTS BUT FROM ONLY ONE RIGHT?]]]

Not according to my bible. There are 10 kingdoms that share power with the Islamic beast, through a shadow government, for about 15 days, before Jesus returns.

Those 10 kingdoms are likely the division of the world into kingdoms that was done by the Club of Rome, just as we entered this - Daniel's - "time of the end" in 1968. If you don't know about this organization it's detailed here:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/scarlet_beast.htm#159

When you Yahoo the Club of Rome you will find reports such as their: "Regionalized and Adaptive Model of the Global World System"

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu7H8yulJjEAAhhRXNyoA?p=club+of+rome+regionalized+adaptive&y=Search&fr=yfp-t-501&fr2=sb-top

I've been aware of this global governance for over 40 years. Long before I understood Islam's role as Satan's tool with them in this "time of the end".

[[[[ DO YOU THINK THIS ONE PRESIDENT OF THE WORLD WILL BE ARAB SUNNI MUSLIM ?]]]]

There is to be no ONE president.

Revelation 17:12-13 And the ten horns which thou sawest are TEN KINGS, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive
power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one
mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the
beast.

The reason I mentioned "shadow" government earlier is because as you can see from the verse they received no kingdom, but share power with the Islamic empire "beast".
We see, for example, free speech about to be regulated by the UN, as the more overt organization, that is increasingly siding with the Islamic beast.
That speech will include Islamists being the sole determiners of what is or is not "insulting" to their false prophet.
Islam has, of course, only survived for 1400 years by shutting up those that point out your prophets behavior from your own books, or point out Islam as Satan's, through the Word of God. The PERFECT OPPOSITE of the Word of God.

[[[[ ARE YOU BLIND TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE WORLD NOW DAYS ?]]]

I have written about it for many years. Over 40 years ago my dad taught me about the unstoppable collapse of phony money and keynesian economics, that the world is BEGINNING to experience today.

It has all unfolded just as God said it would. From the restoration of God's people to their land EXACTLY on schedule:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdi8PzPWrb8

Abandoned by the world just as prophesied:

Zechariah 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Obama is about to stick the final U.S. knife in Israel.

To the leopard-bear-lion Islamic beast prophesied by Daniel and John.
And the seed of Ishmael's hand against every man, just as prophesied 3500 years ago:

Genesis 16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou [art] with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name ISHMAEL; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. 12 And HE WILL BE A WILD MAN; HIS HAND [WILL BE] AGAINST EVERY MAN, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

It is an honor to live in the most significant moment in time since Adam, though the sledding will be tough and it will be the least fun period in human history.
I don't expect to die of old age my friend, but by the hand of an Islamist whose phony prophet has never been able to stand the light of the truth of God's Holy Word.

Peace be unto you my friend and may God bless you and show you THE WAY before it's too late:

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dejfJNF2_s

[Peter]

[[[[Jesus Himself said that He is that prophet that Moses spoke of:
IF THAT IS RIGHT .......]]]]

It isn't an IF my friend:

Jhn 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

But you don't believe Him. You continue to blaspheme Him and deny Him.

[[[[.......THEN WHAT JESUS SAID HERE :John.16 ......."[12] I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.???WHAT ARE THESE THINGS ?]]]]

Jesus was about to be scourged and crucified, dead and buried. That all came to pass and then the things that they could only understand after they again received Him in his glorified body were such things as:

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

But you deny Him. You deny the very one that will be our judge:

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

And for what? The phony self-serving testimony of A SINGLE 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.

[[[[[13] Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself;HOW CAN THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD NOT TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK OF HIMSELF IS NOT HE THE EQUAL TO THE FATHER ?]]]]

It is God's Spirit. God controls His Spirit. Here is God using His Spirit in creation, for example:

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

[[[[ but whatsoever he shall hear,DOESN'T THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING DOES HE NEED SOMEBODY TO TEACH HIM that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
[14] He shall glorify me:DIDN'T PROPHET MUHAMMAD GLORIFIED JESUS CHRIST for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you......."]]]

NO!!! Mohammed blasphemed Jesus and His shed blood just as Mohammedans like you do today.
Mohammed denied that Jesus Christ is the Soin of God, just like Mohammedans do today. This is ANTICHRIST. Each and every one of the 1.5 billion Mulsims in the world today are ANTICHRISTS:

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:....

NO SON - NO FATHER. You are OUT of God's plan my friend. You are SATAN'S!!! Mohammed and his people THE OPPOSITE of God's people.

Mohammed taught THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ because his STAND ALONE 6th century religion was devised by SATAN channeling through him. It was the jealous fallen angel SATAN that met him in the cave, and SATAN that inspired the imperialistic conquest of the Islamic First Jihad and over 12,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world, just since 9-11 in this Second Islamic Jihad.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

See the attached regarding the Spirit of Truth. Also please see the section of these preposterous Muslim misconstruing of scripture:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=33.0

Why not come into the light of day in the forum and out of this dark alley of personal messaging? We can accomplish a lot more there. You can create any identity you want. You don't have to compromise your YouTube ID.
But then you share your false prophet's aversion to the truth. You likely share his cowardice as bequeathed to us by your own books.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG1MiLqH0jc

[[[[Jesus Himself said that He is that prophet that Moses spoke of:
IF THAT IS RIGHT .......]]]]

It isn't an IF my friend:

Jhn 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

But you don't believe Him. You continue to blaspheme Him and deny Him.

[[[[.......THEN WHAT JESUS SAID HERE :John.16 ......."[12] I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.???WHAT ARE THESE THINGS ?]]]]

Jesus was about to be scourged and crucified, dead and buried. That all came to pass and then the things that they could only understand after they again received Him in his glorified body were such things as:

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

But you deny Him. You deny the very one that will be our judge:

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

And for what? The phony self-serving testimony of A SINGLE 6th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.

[[[[[13] Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself;HOW CAN THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD NOT TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK OF HIMSELF IS NOT HE THE EQUAL TO THE FATHER ?]]]]

It is God's Spirit. God controls His Spirit. Here is God using His Spirit in creation, for example:

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

[[[[ but whatsoever he shall hear,DOESN'T THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING DOES HE NEED SOMEBODY TO TEACH HIM that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
[14] He shall glorify me:DIDN'T PROPHET MUHAMMAD GLORIFIED JESUS CHRIST for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you......."]]]

NO!!! Mohammed blasphemed Jesus and His shed blood just as Mohammedans like you do today.
Mohammed denied that Jesus Christ is the Soin of God, just like Mohammedans do today. This is ANTICHRIST. Each and every one of the 1.5 billion Mulsims in the world today are ANTICHRISTS:

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:....

NO SON - NO FATHER. You are OUT of God's plan my friend. You are SATAN'S!!! Mohammed and his people THE OPPOSITE of God's people.

Mohammed taught THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ because his STAND ALONE 6th century religion was devised by SATAN channeling through him. It was the jealous fallen angel SATAN that met him in the cave, and SATAN that inspired the imperialistic conquest of the Islamic First Jihad and over 12,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world, just since 9-11 in this Second Islamic Jihad.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

See the attached regarding the Spirit of Truth. Also please see the section of these preposterous Muslim misconstruing of scripture:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=33.0

Why not come into the light of day in the forum and out of this dark alley of personal messaging? We can accomplish a lot more there. You can create any identity you want. You don't have to compromise your YouTube ID.
But then you share your false prophet's aversion to the truth. You likely share his cowardice as bequeathed to us by your own books.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG1MiLqH0jc

[Peter]

4-20

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=355.msg1293#msg1293

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6GXi0KU_WQ

[Peter]

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=357.0

[Peter]

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=357.msg1309#msg1309

[Peter]

The answer to this post can be found here:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=357.msg1315#msg1315

I have to pack to go out of town for a few days. Will adress the other when I get back.
May God bless you and show you the way np.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT8XE2pA2PE

[Peter]

may 11

Hey np, is "shirk" the only sin for which a Muslim cannot atone in hell?
That is if you confessed that Jesus is the Son of God you would be damned forever?

[Peter]

5-12

[[[[Hey np, is "shirk" the only sin for which a Muslim cannot atone in hell?
That is if you confessed that Jesus is the Son of God ( HOW ABOUT GOD'S DAUGHTER ) ? ( DOES HE HAVE ANY ) ?you would be damned forever?
DID SATAN KNEW JESUS CHRIST WAS A GOD ? AND IF YES HOW CAN SATAN TO TEMPT HIS GOD ?]]]

So then every other sin that a Muslim commits, they can atone for with a stint in hell, except "shirk"?
Muslims can atone for murder, or adultery, or theft in hell?

[Peter]

[[[Hey np, is "shirk" the only sin for which a Muslim cannot atone in hell?
That is if you confessed that Jesus is the Son of God....]]]

What if a Muslim confessed that Jesus is the Son of God and then a few years later decided he was wrong?
Could he repent and not be condemned forever? Just do some time in hell for his prior transgression?

[Peter]

[[[[[[[Hey np, is "shirk" the only sin for which a Muslim cannot atone in hell?
That is if you confessed that Jesus is the Son of God ( HOW ABOUT GOD'S DAUGHTER ) ? ( DOES HE HAVE ANY ) ?you would be damned forever?
DID SATAN KNEW JESUS CHRIST WAS A GOD ? AND IF YES HOW CAN SATAN TO TEMPT HIS GOD ?]]]

So then every other sin that a Muslim commits, they can atone for with a stint in hell, except "shirk"?
Muslims can atone for murder, or adultery, or theft in hell?


WHY YOU CAN NOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ABOVE ?]]]]]

Why don't you answer mine?

Which questions above? Let me try to understand what you are asking:

[[[[[[( HOW ABOUT GOD'S DAUGHTER ) ?]]]]

Where in the Word of God is there mention of Jesus daughter, much less wife?

[[[[[[[ ( DOES HE HAVE ANY ) ?]]]]]]

Not according to the only record of Jesus.

[[[[[[[you would be damned forever?
DID SATAN KNEW JESUS CHRIST WAS A GOD ?]]]]]

Of course. Satan is a jealous fallen angel. That is how he is leading 1.5 billion people to hell who deny that Jesus was crucified and deny Jesus is the Son of God as the FOUNDATION of their ANTICHRIST religion.

[[[[[[[ AND IF YES HOW CAN SATAN TO TEMPT HIS GOD ?]]]]]]

Satan can't tempt God.
Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world, SATAN'S KINGDOMS THAT ISLAM LUSTS AFTER to illustrate exactly that. THAT THEY ARE SATAN'S.
But Jesus was never tempted to take Satan up on his offer. Where would you get the idea that Jesus was tempted?

Luk 4:7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

But you serve Mohammed's phony "Allah" not God.


Now my question........please?

So then every other sin that a Muslim commits, they can atone for with a stint in hell, except "shirk"?
Muslims can atone for murder, or adultery, or theft in hell?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14IlPsZlks8

[Peter]

[[[[[[[[ AND IF YES HOW CAN SATAN TO TEMPT HIS GOD ?]]]]]]

Satan can't tempt God.
Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world, SATAN'S KINGDOMS THAT ISLAM LUSTS AFTER to illustrate exactly that. THAT THEY ARE SATAN'S.
But Jesus was never tempted to take Satan up on his offer. Where would you get the idea that Jesus was tempted?

THAT IS NOT MY IDEA IT IS WRITTEN IN THE GOSPELS READ THEM AGAIN AND AGAIN !!!

WHY SATAN HAS TO TEMPT JESUS WHAT FOR ? IF SATAN KNEW JESUS IS GOD THAT MEANS JESUS AS GOD IS THE CREATOR OF THAT FALLEN ANGEL TOO, RIGHT ? THEN HOW CAN SATAN TO BE SO STUPID AND TO GO TO TRY AND WAIST HIS TIME TO TEMP JESUS ? DID NOT SATAN KNOW THAT JESUS WILL OVERCOME HIM ? IF YES THEN WHY HE TRIED ? HOW CAN SATAN TO OFFER THE WORLD TO GOD JESUS WHEN EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD AND THE SPIRIT WORLD BELONGS TO THE CREATOR THE REAL ONLY ONE GOD ?]]]]

You seem to view the bible as a storybook without realzing that so much of it is illustration to help us learn. Jesus was never tempted, but Satan did try to temp Him, just the way he does all of us. Instead of kingdoms satan tries to distract us with houses, cars, boats and the like.

Just as God uses Jesus as a way to show us His will. Jesus is the mediator of mankind from the foundation of the world. He is also our advocate. If God had not manifest Himself to us we couldn't know anything about Him.

1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

The same Son of God that provided mediation for Old Testament Jews, though many don't understand it because God blinded some to the Gospel.

For example here's Jesus appearing in the Old Testament. These are called Christophanies. Three men were put in an oven to roast, but a 4th showed up among them:

Dan 3:23 And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK3Rgcw5lDw

[Peter]

OK then. So the Jews and Christians that have followed God for 3500 years, through the 1600 year record of God to mankind in His Word are heading to hellfire.

But the Mohammedans that follow the STAND-ALONE religion, based on the 23 year record of recitations, of unwitnessed "revelations", of A SINGLE 7th century false prophet that was, and taught, the EXACT OPPOSITE, of Jesus Christ and that 1600 year record of God to mankind, that was written by a murdering, pillaging, plundering, child doing, stepson wife stealing, sex enslaving, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, imperialistic thief, are all going to Mohammed's paradise to enjoy fresh water, lots of fruit, gold and jewel encrusted couches elevated to offer a phony sense of "dignity", silver goblets, rivers of wine, all served by young boys (imagine, slaves in heaven!), and relief from cold desert nights and blistering desert days, shade, all to enjoy while defiling multiple virgins, and a chicken in every pot!

Does anything about the above smell a bit fishy to you my friend?

If A SINGLE characterization of Mohammed above is incorrect according TO YOUR OWN BOOKS, please advise.

brotherpete.com

[Peter]

[[[[[Dan 3:23 And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

DO YOU MEAN HERE THEY SAW AT THAT TIME JESUS CHRIST ?]]]]]]

Yes, of course they did. Our advocate. Our mediator. Who do YOU think suddenly appeared in the fire of the furnace?

[Peter]

[[[[Yes, of course they did. Our advocate. Our mediator. Who do YOU think suddenly appeared in the fire of the furnace?


THAT EXPLAINS 100% HOW BLIND YOU ARE IN YOUR FALSE BELIEF , THOSE WHO SAW THE ANGEL OF GOD IN THE FURNACE WERE PAGANS , THEY CALL THE ANGEL OF GOD SON OF GOD , THAT IS NORMAL FOR THEIR BELIEF 3000 YEARS AGO , BUT IT IS NORMAL FOR YOU TOO NOW DAYS ( IN YEAR 2009 ) . IN THIS STORY JESUS CHRIST HAS NOTHING TO DO ! YOU CAN CONSULT A HIGH AUTHORITY IN THE ORTHODOX CHURCH , BECAUSE YOUR SECTS ARE 100% HERETIC .]]]]

Hbr 9:26 For then must he often have suffered SINCE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

ONE mediator, my friend.

2Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN,

1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

The one you reject is my advocate.

Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let US make man in our image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14IlPsZlks8

[Peter]

Do you really think it was "normal" for them to put 3 guys in a furnace and have a 4th guy show up spontaneously?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14IlPsZlks8