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chat with Z
« on: April 27, 2009, 01:23:59 PM »
I am desperate for folks like you as I know our time is short and the return of our blessed Lord and Savior draweth neigh.

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[[[The God of the Christians and the Jews and the Moslems is the One true God, in Arabic meaning Allah.]]]

Allah is name of blasphemy, though I know many Arabian Christians use it through ignorance as a substitute for the term "God", without realizing that your intent is to use it as a NAME for God (ie. "there is no ilah but Allah")

Here is what God Himself said His name is:

Exd 3:13...and they shall say to me, What [is] his name?....14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

[[[In your preface to ‘A Religious war’ you claim that “God of the Bible and Allah are not the same”.]]]

It is an impossibility that they are the same. Mohammed's "Allah" even curses God's people - the Christians and Jews:

Surah 9.30 THE JEWS CALL ‘UZAIR A SON OF GOD, AND THE CHRISTIANS CALL CHRIST THE SON OF GOD. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. GOD’S CURSE BE ON THEM: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

From the Jew's Old Testament:

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Fulfilled in Jesus Christ:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[[[If you believe that Gabriel brought God’s Words to Daniel, this is the same one and only one Gabriel that also brought Allah’s (God’s) Words to our beloved Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)......]]]

That's another impossibility. The words are OPPOSITE.

And even Mohammed thought it was jinn that tried to squeeze the life out of him 3 times in that deep dark cave. It was only the testimony of his wife after the fact that convinced him otherwise, and she wasn't even witnesses to it. And I'm sure I don't have to tell you what the value of a single woman's testimony is in Islam.

The bible warns us of exactly Mohammed's encounter:

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 

But it's hard to even characterize a spiritual being that tries to squeeze the life out of you 3 times as even appearing as an angel of light to begin with.

[[[..... as revealed in the Holy Koran. Or perhaps in your gloom you may be thinking there are two Gabriels; one for Daniel and one for conveying Allah’s message to Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). ]]]

No. There is only one angel Gabriel. Mohammed's was a counterfeit, as is his STAND ALONE 6th century religion.

We can know this because Mohammed WAS and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ:

http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_the_opposite.htm

[[[[A Quote from the Koran: “ And remember, Jesus, the Son of Mary said: O’ Children of Israel! I am the Apostle of God (sent) to you, confirming the Law (of Moses which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Apostle to come after me, whose name shall be the Praised One (Ahmed), but when he came to them with clear signs they said! This is Evident Sorcery.” Sound familiar?]]]

Sorry it doesn't. Jesus FULFILLED the law of Moses.

Mohammed's verse is pure blasphemy. The one of Islam is the EXACT OPPOSITE.

Christians follow the 1600 year record of the revelation of God to mankind through ALL of the prophets, apostles, and legions of witnesses. Mohammedans follow the STAND ALONE 23 year 6th century of A SINGLE prophet that denies that record that God gave us. Mohammedans must deny ALL of the new covenant prophets, apostles and the WHOLE SUBJECT of the new covenant we are given through the shed blood of Jesus Christ. A SINGLE VERSE condemns ALL of the Quran as being of Satan:

Surah 4:157  That THEY SAID (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST JESUS the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them,.... FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT:-

Thus denying the blood that would save you.

Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

[[[[And rest assured, contrary to your misunderstanding, Islam is indeed a religion of peace,.....]]]

Then how do you explain the imperialistic conquest and rape, pillage, and plunder of the Islamic First Jihad, all the way up to Tours France?

How do you explain the over 12,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks just since 9-11?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

How do you explain Sunni and Shiite murder of each other's innocent men, women and children?

What about fathers murdering their own daughters and wives in "honor" killings?

Indeed it is the 1400 year Islamic dar el salaam conquest of the dar el harb.

Second Jihad, same as the first.

http://www.beholdthebeast.com/great_tribulation.htm

[[[[...... promoting universal brotherhood between all nations who believe in One God.]]]

[[[Also, contrary to your misinterpretations, in Koran, Jews and Christians have been referred to as People of the Book.]]]

My Skolfield is well aware that Christians and Jews are referred to as people of the book. He even quotes this Islamic blasphemy from the Dome of the Rock abomination:

"O you People of the Book, overstep not bounds in your religion, and of God speak only the truth.  The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, is only an apostle of God, and his Word which he conveyed unto Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from him.  Believe therefore in God and his apostles, and say not Three.  It will be better for you. God is only one God. Far be it from His transcendent majesty that he should have a son."
http://www.israelinbibleprophecy.com/abomination_of__desolation.htm

But then Christians and Jews are also called kuffar.

[[[[Only those who don’t believe in One God, or ascribe partners unto Him are the enemies, and theirs shall be a painful doom.

Don’t be a sheepskin terrorist, same as the engineered Taliban or Al-Qaeda;.....]]]

Are we TARGETING innocent men, women and children? No. Islam has for 1400 years and is unto today. No non-Muslim is innocent to many, of not most, Muslim's view:

In Indonesia 3 teenage girls were beheaded on their way to their Christian school and their heads left on the steps of a Church. The note left behind reads: "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."

[[[..... your politics for self sustenance, fame and power is your strategy to use the cloak of religion .......]]]

We use the truth of God's holy Word as our cloak, not religion:

Mat 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.

And the Sword of the Spirit as our weapon.

[[[[.......as a method to malign other faiths.....]]]

God's Word malign's Islam. Mohammed and Islam are antichrist:

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:...

God made Mohammed a liar:

1Jo 5:10  He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.

[[[[..... and create misgivings which can only lead to more hate and more violence.]]]

It is Islam that is the religion of hate and violence:

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'"

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Sura 9:5  But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);...

Sura 9:123 O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers . . .

[[[Save your soul from becoming the soul of an anarchist whose mission is to sow the seeds of war on earth. ]]]]

But war is simply a condition of men in these kingdoms of Satan's.

You are sowing the seeds of eternal death to all who listen to you.

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

I may have been more tempered or measured in my approach but you are a false accuser, just as was prophesied:

2 Tim 3:1 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

[[[But what you say about the End of Times is true to the extent that indeed the End of Times is nearer than ever before since most of the Biblical, or, Koranic Prophesies have been fulfilled.]]]

Indeed. With Islam prophesied as the end-time foe of God's people:

http://www.beholdthebeast.com/the_beast.htm

[[[[And just because you read somewhere that the black boxes on the 9/11 crashed planes there was an audio of “Allahu Akbar”, you weren’t really there in flesh to take a solemn oath that the purported high-jackers were really Moslem or were present on the plane. According to our own American media these planes could have been operated by remote control (in such a precision manner) and the passengers were either gassed to death or unconscious when the planes hit.]]]

You seem to not be able to see the imperialistic slaughter of the Islamic First Jihad.

9-11 was not an isolated incident but a continuation of the 1400 year pattern ofthose that follow the false prophet Mohammed. Murder, rape, pillage, plunder and theivery were his.

[[[Don’t believe so many grown-up men on board could have yielded to a bunch of kids armed with just cardboard cutters.]]]

You understimate the element of surprise. Since this lesson was taught to a free and unsuspecting innocent people, we have indeed since witnessed passengers, that were able to react without surprise, and have taken out filth like that responsible for 9-11.

The poor Israleis have been in the same position for many decades.

[[[[[My dear Chaplain, you like every thing else in this chaotic status quo of a whirlwind, is just another cog of a global happening....]]]

Indeed. Just as we find the opposite of murder, mayhem and misery in the world today, fuled by the ugly hand of Islam.

[[[[.... (that is decreed by Allah) to bring about the trials and tribulations of Moslems, .....]]]

Hmmm. So then it is the Moslem perpetrators and murderers all around the world that are the persecuted?

[[[[.....leading to the End of Times, as you are up in arms against the One God (Allah) and His Final Revelation, Islam.]]]

Indeed! Islam is center-stage in these end-times just as John prophesied.

http://www.beholdthebeast..com/johns_eight_beasts.htm

[[[This is all supposed to happen. ]]]

That's right. The Islamic empire "beast", and their false prophet Mohammed.

And just as prophesied:

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

[[[[And like God has created the devil and the antichrist and Hitler, he has created you too,.....]]]

It was the Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem that was up to his eyeballs in Hitler's genocide of the Jews. Hitler and the tradition of Islamic hatred of Jews were are perfect fit for each other:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZHWhsc7wvg

Satan's people.

[[[..... like your pal geert wilders, like so many others, to test the faith of all those who believe in Him. By the way do you know that Moslems will rise again from humiliation and darkness.....]]]

Already rising, but sadly remaining in Satan's darkness. Prophesied "as a leopard" Islam will not change it's spots:

Jer 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? [then] may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

That doesn't mean that you can't repent and come to know the love of the one true God through Jesus Christ, before it's too late, my friend.

[[[[..... and Jesus, in his second coming, shall lead them?]]]

Sorry but that is false. Jesus is to cast them in the lake of fire with their false prophet Mohammed, as shown earlier.

You likely don't even know that He will be your judge:

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
The same Son of God that you blaspheme.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH.
The same God that made you a liar for denying the record He gave us of His Son:

1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON. 

[[[Its’ all in Allah’s Plan! Please Read and Understand and you will Believe.]]]

I do. Islam so perfectly OPPOSITE, and so perfectly set as Satan's end-time foe of God's people, it should help even cause a devout atheist to notice the truth of God's Word.

Islam is the only anti-another-religion, religion..

Islam is ANTICHRIST.

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:

[[[[And turn down that Hate Scorn button on your mortal life, for as you sow in this life, you shall reap in the hereafter, which is forever.]]]]

But what I quote above are from God's Word, not mine.

Indeed.

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

[[[[“And on the Day of Resurrection thou (Muhammad) shall see those who lied concerning Allah with their faces blackened. Is not the home of the scorner in Hell?”]]]

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be FALSE TEACHERS among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, AND BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.

[[[Yours truly,

A Moslem]]]

Yours truly, a son of God.

If you haven't ever read the bible why not try a little?

http://www.islamandthetruth.com/

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Re: chat with Z
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2009, 01:31:37 PM »
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Sir,

Concerning your Rev.Skolfield’s campaign predicament here are some comments by non-muslims:

{George Bernard Shaw on Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)}: "I HAVE STUDIED HIM - THE WONDERFUL MAN - AND IN MY OPINION FAR FROM BEING AN ANTI-CHRIST, HE MUST BE CALLED THE SAVIOUR OF HUMANITY." George Bernard Shaw, in "The Genuine Islam,- Vol. 1, No. 81936. "HISTORY MAKES IT CLEAR HOWEVER, THAT THE LEGEND OF FANATICAL MUSLIMS SWEEPING THROUGH THE WORLD AND FORCING ISLAM AT THE POINT OF THE SWORD UPON CONQUERED RACES IS ONE OF THE MOST FANTASTICALLY ABSURD MYTHS THAT HISTORIANS HAVE EVER REPEATED." De Lacy O'Leary in “Islam at the Crossroads; London , 1923, p.8

THE MORE I STUDY THE MORE I DISCOVER THAT THE STRENGTH OF ISLAM DOES NOT LIE IN THE SWORD. Mahatma Gandhi - the father of modern India , "Young India."

LET THERE BE NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION: FOR TRUTH STANDS OUT DISTINCT FROM ERROR.  Holy Quran 2:256

The diocese, the mission of Jesus (Peace be upon him), or "the works which God had given him to accomplish," was limited to the Lost sheep of the House of Israel (Matthew 15:24), whereas the mission of Muhammad (Peace be upon him) was universal. He had been told -And We have sent thee not (O Muhammad), but as a Mercy unto (all) the worlds. Holy Quran 21:107

WE HAVE NOT SENT THEE (O MUHAMMAD) BUT TO THE WHOLE OF MANKIND. AS A GIVER OF GLAD TIDINGS AND AS A WARNER, BUT MOST OF MANKIND STILL DO NOT KNOW. Holy Quran 34:28 { This is true even after 1400 years, isn’t it? }

All other prophets (apostles) were sent by Allah for a particular people and a particular time, e.g., Moses for Jews; Jesus for the Christians. However, the Last Messenger of Allah, Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is for all Humanity and for all times.

Islam doesn’t propagate muslims to kill jews or Christians.

NO JEW OR CHRISTIAN THAT HAS CONVERTED TO ISLAM GOES ABOUT KILLING HIS KITH AND KIN WHO MAY STILL BE JEW OR CHRISTIAN!

Holy Quran: Ch 7, The Table Spread, verse no. 69: “Lo! those who believe, and those who are Jews and Sabaens, and Christians, whosoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right, there shall no fear come upon them, neither shall they grieve.”

Holy Quran: Surah Imran, Ch. No. 3, Verse No. 110, “O ye are the best of the people evolved for mankind’. ‘Evolved for mankind, and enjoining what is good, and forbidding what is bad’. And believing in Allah. It would have been better if the people of the book (e.g. Jews and Christians) had faith. Among them there are some who are ‘Momin’ (Believers). Among the Ahle Kitab (people of the book) there some who are believers but the majority are perverted transgressors.”

There was a typo in my last letter, that when Jesus in his second coming will come for the Christians (not Muslims), to clarify to them (the Jews and the Christians) some of their misconceptions about the One True God (Allah) and to confront the AntiChrist (Dajjal) who shall be one eyed and with special powers to lure those who are weak of faith.

You seem to twist the words of the Bible. First, all Muslims believe Jesus (Christ) is the Apostle of Allah, as revealed in the Holy Quran. Second, if Jesus referred to God

as Father, it was meant as an aphorism, not literal, because nowhere in the Bible Christ claimed Divinity or said he was son of God. Your reference to John 2:22 has really made a bender of this simple fact that: all prophets have said unto their people that if ‘you denied our message (which is the message of One True God), then its like you have denied God’. It simply doesn’t mean they are claiming to be God.

The Bible that you read is not in original text. It has been tampered with and changed and no more valid:

The Rev. C. I.. Scofield, (I wonder if he is related to Rev.Ellis Skofield) with a team of 8 Consulting Editors, in the "Scofield Reference Bible" thought it appropriate to spell the Hebrew word "Elah" (meaning God) alternatively as "Alah" they seemed to have accepted at last that the name of God is Allah — but were still straining at the gnat by spelling Allah with one "L"! (Photographic reproduction of the Bible page showing the word "ALAH" is preserved here for posterity below). References were made in public lectures to this fact by a renowned Muslim Scholar, Dr.Zakir Naik. As a result, the subsequent "Scofield Reference Bible" has retained word for word the whole commentary of Genesis 1:1, but has, by a clever sleight-of-hand, blotted out the word "Alah" altogether. There is not even a gap where the word "Alah" once used to be. This is in the Bible of the orthodox! One is hard pressed to keep up with your Jugglery.

Also, Lady Ellen G. White, a "prophetess" of the Seventh Day Adventist Church , in her Bible Commentary Vol. 1, page 14, has this confession to make about the fallibility of the "Holy Bible."

"THE BIBLE WE READ TODAY IS THE WORK OF MANY COPYISTS WHO HAVE IN MOST INSTANCES DONE THEIR WORK WITH MARVELLOUS ACCURACY. BUT COPYISTS HAVE NOT BEEN INFALLIBLE, AND GOD MOST EVIDENTLY HAS NOT SEEN FIT TO PRESERVE THEM ALTOGETHER FROM ERROR IN TRANSCRIBING."

In the following pages of her commentary, Mrs. White testifies further: "I SAW THAT GOD HAD ESPECIALLY GUARDED THE BIBLE" (from what?) "YET WHEN COPIES OF IT WERE FEW, LEARNED MEN HAD IN SOME INSTANCES CHANGED THE WORDS, THINKING THAT THEY WERE MAKING IT PLAIN, WHEN IN REALITY THEY WERE MYSTIFYING THAT WHICH WAS PLAIN, BY CAUSING IT TO LEAN TO THEIR ESTABLISHED VIEWS, WHICH WERE GOVERNED BY TRADITION."

Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) never claimed Divinity

One may ask, if both Muslims and Christians love and respect Jesus (peace be upon him), where exactly is the parting of ways? The major difference between Islam and Christianity is the Christians’ insistence on the supposed divinity of Christ (Peace be upon him). A study of the Christian scriptures reveals that Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity. In fact there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, "I am God" or where he says, "worship me". In fact the Bible contains statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in which he preached quite the contrary. The following statements in the Bible are attributed to Jesus Christ (pbuh):

(i) "My Father is greater than I" [The Bible, John 14:28]

(ii) "My Father is greater than all." [The Bible, John 10:29]

(iii) "…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…." [The Bible, Mathew 12:28]

(iv) "…I with the finger of God cast out devils…." [The Bible, Luke 11:20]

(v) "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." [The Bible, John 5:30]

Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity for himself. He clearly announced the nature of his mission. Jesus (pbuh) was sent by God to confirm the previous Judaic law. This is clearly evident in the following statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in the Gospel of Mathew:"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." [The Bible, Mathew 5:17-20]

The Bible mentions the prophetic nature of Jesus (pbuh) mission in the following verses:

(i) "… and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me." [The Bible, John 14:24]

(ii) "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent." [The Bible, John 17:3]

Jesus Refuted even the Remotest Suggestion of his Divinity Consider the following incident mentioned in the Bible:

"And behold, one came and said unto him, ‘Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?’

And he said unto him, ‘Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.’ " [The Bible, Mathew 19:16-17]

Jesus (pbuh) did not say that to have the eternal life of paradise, man should believe in him as Almighty God or worship him as God, or believe that Jesus (pbuh) would die for his sins. On the contrary he said that the path to salvation was through keeping the commandments. It is indeed striking to note the difference between the words of Jesus Christ (pbuh) and the Christian dogma of salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus (pbuh).

The following statement from the Bible supports the Islamic belief that Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet of God."Ye men of Israel , hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know." [The Bible, Acts 2:22]

The First Commandment is that God is One

The Bible does not support the Christian belief in trinity at all. One of the scribes once asked Jesus (pbuh) as to which was the first commandment of all, to which Jesus (pbuh) merely repeated what Moses (pbuh) had said earlier:"Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adonai Ikhad."

This is a Hebrew quotation, which means:"Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord." [The Bible, Mark 12:29]

It is striking that the basic teachings of the Church such as Trinity and vicarious atonement find no mention in the Bible. In fact, various verses of the Bible point to Jesus’ (pbuh) actual mission, which was to fulfill the law revealed to Prophet Moses (pbuh). Indeed Jesus (pbuh) rejected any suggestions that attributed divinity to him, and explained his miracles as the power of the One True God.

Jesus (pbuh) thus reiterated the message of monotheism that was given by all earlier prophets of Almighty God.

NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version.

CONCEPT OF GOD IN OLD TESTAMENT

God is One

The following verse from the book of Deuteronomy contains an exhortation from Moses (pbuh):"Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adna Ikhad". Hebrew, meaning "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord" [The Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4]

Unity of God in the Book of Isaiah: The following verses are from the Book of Isaiah:

(i)"I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour." [The Bible, Isaiah 43:11]

(ii) "I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me." [The Bible, Isaiah 45:5]

(iii) "I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me." [The Bible, Isaiah 46:9]

Old Testament condemns idol worship in the following verses: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:"

"Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God." [The Bible, Exodus 20:3-5]

A similar message is repeated in the book of Deuteronomy:"Thou shalt have none other gods before me."

"Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that in the earth beneath, or that is in the water beneath the earth."

"Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God." [The Bible, Deuteronomy 5:7-9]

Indeed if God is One it means He begetteth not, nor He is begotten!

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Re: chat with Z
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2009, 01:39:49 PM »
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Let's start here. Please answer to this post before proceeding on to the following posts.

Sir,

Concerning your Rev.Skolfield’s campaign predicament here are some comments by non-muslims:

{George Bernard Shaw on Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)}: "I HAVE STUDIED HIM - THE WONDERFUL MAN - AND IN MY OPINION FAR FROM BEING AN ANTI-CHRIST,

Antichrist isn't about what men say it is or isn't. It's about what the Word of God says it is:

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:...

Your failure comes from trusting the words of men rather than resting on the Word of God.

HE MUST BE CALLED THE SAVIOUR OF HUMANITY." George Bernard Shaw, in "The Genuine Islam,- Vol. 1, No. 81936.

As abject of a failure as communism has evermore proven itself, I am surprised you would quote a communist humanist, to support your false prophet.

"HISTORY MAKES IT CLEAR HOWEVER, THAT THE LEGEND OF FANATICAL MUSLIMS SWEEPING THROUGH THE WORLD AND FORCING ISLAM AT THE POINT OF THE SWORD UPON CONQUERED RACES IS ONE OF THE MOST  FANTASTICALLY ABSURD MYTHS THAT HISTORIANS HAVE EVER REPEATED." De Lacy O'Leary in “Islam at the Crossroads; London , 1923, p.8

Perhaps one of the most preposterous propaganda pieces, or Mohammedan history-ignorant persons, I have ever read.

Tell me my friend, how do you explain the bloody, murderous 152 year imperialistic rape, pillage, plunder, and sexual enslavement, of the Islamic First Jihad, conquest of nearly the whole known world, until being stopped in the Battle of Tours France by Charles Martel ("The Hammer"), let alone Mohammed's "Allah's" suggestions around pimping out those sex slaves?
http://www.israelinbibleprophecy.com/islam_101.htm

Mohammed's own criminality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JSMnCxPsbM

Or the Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem hand in hand with Hitler in genocide of Jews?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZHWhsc7wvg
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=268.msg970#msg970

Or the 2 million slain in the Sudan alone. What about all the murder in Nigeria and most of the rest of Africa at the hand of Islam? Girls beheaded on their way to Christian school in Indonesia, hotel murders in India, train bombings in spain, and ALL of it TARGETING innocents.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2009, 04:46:51 PM »
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THE MORE I STUDY THE MORE I DISCOVER THAT THE STRENGTH OF ISLAM DOES NOT LIE IN THE SWORD. Mahatma Gandhi - the father of modern India , in "Young India."

You quote a Hindu to support Mohammedanism?

I hesitate to move forward with your letter before you answer the above post but I'll trust that you'll explain the reprobate nature of Islamic imperialistic conquest to me.

Meanwhile let's quote a truly great man that was "voted the greatest Briton in history".

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live…The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities…but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa…and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.” - by Sir Winston Churchill - The River War, Vol. II, pp. 248-50, London; Longman, Green & Co., 1899

Certainly prophetic words, as Europe secularized over the following century and, as we witness today, is falling to Islam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I

No surprise that our closet Muslim president wasted no time in returning the bust of Churchill to the English. A bust, I might add, that was loaned to the Oval Office as a symbol of solidarity between England and the U.S. punctuating our mutual goal of fighting and defeating Islamic terrorism.

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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2009, 12:37:32 PM »
LET THERE BE NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION: FOR TRUTH STANDS OUT DISTINCT FROM ERROR.   Holy Quran 2:256   

I presume you are practicing Islamic subterfuge, or taqiyyah, by quoting this sura that is abrogated by so many later suras that suggest violence against non-Muslims, such as;
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

And we see what happens in practice regarding your "no compulsion" contention, once Islam is in control
AP - December 06, 2006 MOGADISHU, Somalia - "Residents of a southern Somalia town who do not pray five times a day will be beheaded, an Islamic courts official said Wednesday, adding the edict will be implemented in three days."

In Saudi Arabia they send the Islamic enforcers to your house if you miss prayers in the morning.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/great_tribulation.htm

Same crowd that killed 15 girls by sending them back into a burning school because they were emerging from the building without head coverings.
http://www.israelinbibleprophecy.com/islam_101.htm

Same in Nigeria.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fbXvq_ZIbw

Islam has never been able to stand the light of truth. That's why bibles are banned in Muslim countries.

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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2009, 12:43:11 PM »
The diocese, the mission of Jesus (Peace be upon him), or "the works which God had given him to accomplish," was limited to the Lost sheep of  the House of Israel (Matthew 15:24),

This is, of course, a bible-ignorant lie. Jesus was sent unto the lost sheep of Israel, but what happened?

John 1:11  He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/

As a result a wonderful thing happened:

Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and [that] they will hear it.

But Mohammedans deny the blood that would save them and ALL of the prophets and apostles of the New Testament, to follow A SINGLE 6th century murdering thief.

whereas the mission of Muhammad (Peace be upon him) was universal.  He had been told -And We have sent thee not (O Muhammad), but as a Mercy unto (all) the worlds. Holy Quran 21:107

The mission of Mohammed is made abundantly clear through his STAND ALONE 6th century religion that is the perfect OPPOSITE of Christianity and the 1600 year record of God to mankind.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_the_opposite.htm

His mission:
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

His angel:
2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

His end, as well as those that follow him through the Islamic empire "beast":
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Islam 101 - an introduction to Islam
http://www.israelinbibleprophecy.com/islam_101.htm