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THE SUM OF ISLAM
« on: May 19, 2009, 10:03:51 AM »
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THE SUM OF ISLAM

Islam is increasingly a topic of interest. From billboards on buses advertising that Islam is just another Abrahamic faith, to church discussion, pondering the same. Books are available but some unnecessarily complicate the subject. It is not difficult to understand Islam. A single verse from the Quran summarizes the religion:

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Through this one verse it becomes apparent that Islam is the direct opposite of Christianity, rejecting all of the prophets and apostles, and the whole subject of the New Testament. No crucifixion, death and resurrection, in spite of even the secular historical record of the crucifixion. The following verse is perhaps the most descriptive of, and widely quoted in, Christianity:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

No surprise then that Mohammed recited:

Surah 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

Stunningly, if a Muslim confesses that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, he has committed the only unpardonable sin in Mohammed's religion - "shirk" - the perfect opposite of the New Testament.

But Mohammed didn't stop there

Surah 9.30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

"Allah's" curse is to be on Jews and Christians. If the "Allah" of Islam were the same as the God of the Jews and Christians he would seem both schizophrenic and bi-polar!  Islam is the only anti-another-religion, religion.

1John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

In order for a Muslim to believe Mohammed's Quran, and follow his 7th century stand-alone religion, it is necessary to believe that the bible has been corrupted. Is it reasonable to suggest that the Gospel was so corrupted, that its whole subject, was added later? That the bible had somehow become the opposite of what it had been?

We have over 5300 partial or complete manuscripts of God's Word that were penned prior to 300AD, in every popular language of the day, that were read all over the known world. Discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls at Qumran also helped to confirm the textual integrity of God's Word as we have received it down through the ages. Could all those copies circulating for centuries have somehow been changed?

What does the Quran say regarding the Gospel?

Surah 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

So Christians are instructed to judge by what Allah revealed in the Gospels! In order to support any suggestion of corruption of the Gospel, it would have had to have taken place after the 7th century, when "Allah" was supposed to have inspired that verse - a preposterous notion.

Mohammed used the term "People of the Book" in reference to Christians and Jews.

Surah 5:68 Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.

Thus "Allah" confirms the textual integrity of the Old Testament ("the Law") as well as the Gospel. Otherwise it would be pretty foolish of him to recommend standing "fast" on "all the revelation" that our Lord gave to us through a corrupt book! What instruction did "Allah" give Muslims regarding the Word of God?

Surah 4:136 O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray.

Even Muslims are supposed to "believe in" "the scripture" that God gave to those before Mohammed. Quite a conundrum!
To our Muslim friends, how can you "believe in" the scriptures that came before Mohammed if you never read them. For an introduction to the Gospels with a copy and pasted King James Version, please click here:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/

What does God's Word say on the subject?

1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

The world is racing headlong toward the greatest tragedy in the history of mankind. Today 1.5 billion people -1/4 of mankind - are in the grip of this 7th century antichrist religion. For Christians with children your kid's future is at stake. Learn about Muslim demographics.
Please visit brotherpete.com to print additional copies of this PDF.

Brother Pete


Here is a PDF on Islam suitable for ALL Christian denominations and doctrines from Roman Catholicism to the "organic" church, as well as Muslims. Please get the word out.
This PDF sized for shirt pocket - Z fold in 2 directions http://petewaldo.com/isl1.pdf
This PDF folds to 5 1/2 x 8 1/2 to fit in church bulletin http://petewaldo.com/isl2.pdf

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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2009, 03:38:23 PM »
Surah 5:68 Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.

I have a question for Muslims regarding the above Sura: If Allah is all-knowing, as he claims in the Quran, and the Bible (Law and Gospel) is corrupted as most of you claim, then why did he not know that when he gave Muhammed this revelation? Surely he would not have some of his people follow a corrupted sacred scripture, in order to deceive them, would he?

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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2009, 07:40:56 AM »
That is a great question Mike. Probably one of the most damning questions for the koran. Here is a link where that subject is discussed in more detail.

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=584.0
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2009, 08:49:36 AM »
Muslims also demonize all scribes, but....

Sura 80.13 (It is) in Books held (greatly) in honour, 14 Exalted (in dignity), KEPT PURE AND HOLY,15 (Written) by the hands of scribes- 16 Honourable and Pious and Just.

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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2013, 07:15:11 PM »
I have a question for Muslims regarding the above Sura: If Allah is all-knowing, as he claims in the Quran, and the Bible (Law and Gospel) is corrupted as most of you claim, then why did he not know that when he gave Muhammed this revelation? Surely he would not have some of his people follow a corrupted sacred scripture, in order to deceive them, would he?

That's because Muslims are well taught not to believe anything but Muhammad.  They can't reason for they are programmed to believe a lie.  To maintain that erroneous mindset, they cannot question the Quran and what Muhammad said.  We all know Muhammad made everything up.  He put certain safeguards in place to protect himself and maintain absolute control over his subjects.  Islam was all about "What Muhammad wants, Muhammad gets!"  If Muhammad didn't get what he wants, he acts violently until everyone subjugates themselves in such a way that pleases Muhammad, not Allah. 

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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2013, 04:49:20 PM »
I have a question for Muslims regarding the above Sura: If Allah is all-knowing, as he claims in the Quran, and the Bible (Law and Gospel) is corrupted as most of you claim, then why did he not know that when he gave Muhammed this revelation? Surely he would not have some of his people follow a corrupted sacred scripture, in order to deceive them, would he?

That's because Muslims are well taught not to believe anything but Muhammad.

But they can't believe Muhammad either, as illustrated in the OP as well as more verses like this:

Sura 80.13 (It is) in Books held (greatly) in honour, 14 Exalted (in dignity), kept pure and holy,15 (Written) by the hands of scribes- 16 Honourable and Pious and Just.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/index.htm

Since they must believe those same books became so corrupted that the whole subject became the exact opposite of what Muhammad proclaimed 500 years later.

They can't reason for they are programmed to believe a lie.  To maintain that erroneous mindset, they cannot question the Quran and what Muhammad said.  We all know Muhammad made everything up.  He put certain safeguards in place to protect himself and maintain absolute control over his subjects.  Islam was all about "What Muhammad wants, Muhammad gets!"  If Muhammad didn't get what he wants, he acts violently until everyone subjugates themselves in such a way that pleases Muhammad, not Allah.

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THE SUM OF ISLAM

Islam is increasingly a topic of interest. From billboards on buses advertising that Islam is just another Abrahamic faith, to church discussion, pondering the same. Books are available but some unnecessarily complicate the subject. It is not difficult to understand Islam. A single verse from the Quran summarizes the religion:

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Through this one verse it becomes apparent that Islam is the direct opposite of Christianity, rejecting all of the prophets and apostles, and the whole subject of the New Testament. No crucifixion, death and resurrection, in spite of even the secular historical record of the crucifixion. The following verse is perhaps the most descriptive of, and widely quoted in, Christianity:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

No surprise then that Mohammed recited:

Surah 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

Stunningly, if a Muslim confesses that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, he has committed the only unpardonable sin in Mohammed's religion - "shirk" - the perfect opposite of the New Testament.

But Mohammed didn't stop there

Surah 9.30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

"Allah's" curse is to be on Jews and Christians. If the "Allah" of Islam were the same as the God of the Jews and Christians he would seem both schizophrenic and bi-polar!  Islam is the only anti-another-religion, religion.

1John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

In order for a Muslim to believe Mohammed's Quran, and follow his 7th century stand-alone religion, it is necessary to believe that the bible has been corrupted. Is it reasonable to suggest that the Gospel was so corrupted, that its whole subject, was added later? That the bible had somehow become the opposite of what it had been?

We have over 5300 partial or complete manuscripts of God's Word that were penned prior to 300AD, in every popular language of the day, that were read all over the known world. Discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls at Qumran also helped to confirm the textual integrity of God's Word as we have received it down through the ages. Could all those copies circulating for centuries have somehow been changed?

What does the Quran say regarding the Gospel?

Surah 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

So Christians are instructed to judge by what Allah revealed in the Gospels! In order to support any suggestion of corruption of the Gospel, it would have had to have taken place after the 7th century, when "Allah" was supposed to have inspired that verse - a preposterous notion.

Mohammed used the term "People of the Book" in reference to Christians and Jews.

Surah 5:68 Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.

Thus "Allah" confirms the textual integrity of the Old Testament ("the Law") as well as the Gospel. Otherwise it would be pretty foolish of him to recommend standing "fast" on "all the revelation" that our Lord gave to us through a corrupt book! What instruction did "Allah" give Muslims regarding the Word of God?

Surah 4:136 O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray.

Even Muslims are supposed to "believe in" "the scripture" that God gave to those before Mohammed. Quite a conundrum!
To our Muslim friends, how can you "believe in" the scriptures that came before Mohammed if you never read them. For an introduction to the Gospels with a copy and pasted King James Version, please click here:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/

What does God's Word say on the subject?

1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

The world is racing headlong toward the greatest tragedy in the history of mankind. Today 1.5 billion people -1/4 of mankind - are in the grip of this 7th century antichrist religion. For Christians with children your kid's future is at stake. Learn about Muslim demographics.
Please visit brotherpete.com to print additional copies of this PDF.

Brother Pete


Here is a PDF on Islam suitable for ALL Christian denominations and doctrines from Roman Catholicism to the "organic" church, as well as Muslims. Please get the word out.
This PDF sized for shirt pocket - Z fold in 2 directions http://petewaldo.com/isl1.pdf
This PDF folds to 5 1/2 x 8 1/2 to fit in church bulletin http://petewaldo.com/isl2.pdf
Muhammad never said the Bible was corrupted. Only Muslims of today; so, the burden of proof is on them to show when, where, why, and how they got corrupted.

If Allah couldn't preserve the Scriptures that came before what is their rationale to believe he can now? Do Muslim expect us to believe that man's power to corrupt is greater than God's power to preserve what He stated He would preserve before Muhammad was born.

If they want to pick on Biblical corruption, they should look at Uthman who burned all the Qurans and recompiled them. They should ask what was he trying to hide by burning them? He was not an Islamic prophet; so, why was he acting as Allah's editor and chief? That looks suspicious to me.
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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2013, 06:46:12 AM »
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THE SUM OF ISLAM

Islam is increasingly a topic of interest. From billboards on buses advertising that Islam is just another Abrahamic faith, to church discussion, pondering the same. Books are available but some unnecessarily complicate the subject. It is not difficult to understand Islam. A single verse from the Quran summarizes the religion:

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Through this one verse it becomes apparent that Islam is the direct opposite of Christianity, rejecting all of the prophets and apostles, and the whole subject of the New Testament. No crucifixion, death and resurrection, in spite of even the secular historical record of the crucifixion. The following verse is perhaps the most descriptive of, and widely quoted in, Christianity:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

No surprise then that Mohammed recited:

Surah 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

Stunningly, if a Muslim confesses that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, he has committed the only unpardonable sin in Mohammed's religion - "shirk" - the perfect opposite of the New Testament.

But Mohammed didn't stop there

Surah 9.30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

"Allah's" curse is to be on Jews and Christians. If the "Allah" of Islam were the same as the God of the Jews and Christians he would seem both schizophrenic and bi-polar!  Islam is the only anti-another-religion, religion.

1John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

In order for a Muslim to believe Mohammed's Quran, and follow his 7th century stand-alone religion, it is necessary to believe that the bible has been corrupted. Is it reasonable to suggest that the Gospel was so corrupted, that its whole subject, was added later? That the bible had somehow become the opposite of what it had been?

We have over 5300 partial or complete manuscripts of God's Word that were penned prior to 300AD, in every popular language of the day, that were read all over the known world. Discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls at Qumran also helped to confirm the textual integrity of God's Word as we have received it down through the ages. Could all those copies circulating for centuries have somehow been changed?

What does the Quran say regarding the Gospel?

Surah 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

So Christians are instructed to judge by what Allah revealed in the Gospels! In order to support any suggestion of corruption of the Gospel, it would have had to have taken place after the 7th century, when "Allah" was supposed to have inspired that verse - a preposterous notion.

Mohammed used the term "People of the Book" in reference to Christians and Jews.

Surah 5:68 Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.

Thus "Allah" confirms the textual integrity of the Old Testament ("the Law") as well as the Gospel. Otherwise it would be pretty foolish of him to recommend standing "fast" on "all the revelation" that our Lord gave to us through a corrupt book! What instruction did "Allah" give Muslims regarding the Word of God?

Surah 4:136 O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray.

Even Muslims are supposed to "believe in" "the scripture" that God gave to those before Mohammed. Quite a conundrum!
To our Muslim friends, how can you "believe in" the scriptures that came before Mohammed if you never read them. For an introduction to the Gospels with a copy and pasted King James Version, please click here:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/

What does God's Word say on the subject?

1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

The world is racing headlong toward the greatest tragedy in the history of mankind. Today 1.5 billion people -1/4 of mankind - are in the grip of this 7th century antichrist religion. For Christians with children your kid's future is at stake. Learn about Muslim demographics.
Please visit brotherpete.com to print additional copies of this PDF.

Brother Pete


Here is a PDF on Islam suitable for ALL Christian denominations and doctrines from Roman Catholicism to the "organic" church, as well as Muslims. Please get the word out.
This PDF sized for shirt pocket - Z fold in 2 directions http://petewaldo.com/isl1.pdf
This PDF folds to 5 1/2 x 8 1/2 to fit in church bulletin http://petewaldo.com/isl2.pdf
Muhammad never said the Bible was corrupted. Only Muslims of today;......

Though Muhammad did admit as much by instituting a doctrine of abrogation, to enable him to throw out earlier more peaceful contradictory Mecca suras, like those quoted in this thread, in favor of the later Medina suras that call his followers to imperialistic conquest and subjugation of all people to Muslims.

http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0
.....so, the burden of proof is on them to show when, where, why, and how they got corrupted.

If Allah couldn't preserve the Scriptures that came before what is their rationale to believe he can now? Do Muslim expect us to believe that man's power to corrupt is greater than God's power to preserve what He stated He would preserve before Muhammad was born.

If they want to pick on Biblical corruption, they should look at Uthman who burned all the Qurans and recompiled them. They should ask what was he trying to hide by burning them? He was not an Islamic prophet; so, why was he acting as Allah's editor and chief? That looks suspicious to me.