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Muj obviously came in here to start a debate he never intended to be honest about. Muj is just here to antagonize  us. He has no interest in anything we say or otherwise. Muj just wants to see how far we will allow him to push us.

Muj, since you have no intention of honestly seeking the truth, go away. If you really like Islam as much as you say you do and you live in the U.S. May I suggest to you to go to the country that started it all and go live there instead of here because we don't want your type of religion in our country just like your country that doesn't want us in yours. That is why we can't build churches or practice our Christianity faith anywhere in your countries.

Muslims do, however, demand that Muslims have the right to build Mosques on U.S. soil.

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May I suggest to you to go to the country that started it all and go live there instead of here because we don't want your type of religion in our country ....

I increasingly believe it is a disservice to refer to it as a religion, when it is an anti-a-specific-religion cult. I substitute the term "anti-religion" in the place of religion now.

By the way, did I do OK splitting the topic up? It had become such a jumble it let Muj avoid questions he didn't want to address. I recommend we each select a question he avoided, and hold his feet to the fire until he answers it. I will throw all his dodges into spam until he does.

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Agreed. Let's see if he is bold enough to answer our questions.

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Ex and Pete are dead on.  Muj cannot answer these questions you give him. 


I think he (Muj) either doesn't understand his own Quran or that he truly does understand it yet refuses to tell us that what we are saying is right on.  Option 2 is Muj playing the deception game which is what I see that he is attempting to do.  This fella is so brainwashed in this cult, the ONLY way for Muj to see the truth is to face Jesus Christ face to face.  The only way that will occur (much to my dismay) is for Muj to die, meet Jesus and proceed directly to hell to be with his loved one (Muhammad) which is exactly where Muhammad is right now.
You think I don't understand?  Well its because I do understand the message of scripture, it is obey the commands of God, do not abrogate the verses because you think you save just because you declare a few verses or beliefs and then follow a man made constitution but claim to be a believer. I understand very well from scripture that it is the belief in GOD ALMIGHTY and the Angels, the Prophets and The last day and Books and the absolute Power of God almighty that will save your soul. The belief that is echoed by all the Prophets. And do good deeds.

There is a great possibility that it is already too late for Muj.  The Bible is very clear on this point that pertains to Muj directly but it doesn't mean I'll stop praying for him.  Here's that verse.

Rev 17:17  For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
 
Speculating on the mercy of God are we?? Your problem is that you have made certain assumptions based on conjecture fueled by opinion. Your Blasphemy of predicting the actions of God on one of his creation (remember Saul was a Murderer before he received guidance to worship GOD. I am not a Murderer (despite the antics of Ex military)

I promise you this.  Muhammad is praying to you (Muj) right now to accept Jesus in your life.  Muhammad already made that dire mistake and he will forever pay dearly for that mistake and I know for a FACT that ALL the inhabitants in hell are praying for people like you and me not to go where they are.  Hell scares me more than anything else.  I'll do whatever it takes not to go there. 
You promise???? Isn't that just a little too arrogant for words, now you going to tell me that you can see the unseen, you speculating on the fate of muhammad and all your deed cease when you leave this world (die) there no praying, theres no doing anything to save yourself, so your misguided beliefs has nothing in common with reality.

So, how about you?
How about clarity on the first command to start saving you. forget all the rhetoric and the conjecture and the speculation that you made your reality (it only exists in your mind and people like you. Its not the reality of the Prophets or Jesus (All by the way are muslim)

So, Muj.  Tell me honestly.  Do you really want to go to hell?  There was a great statement a good friend of mine said.  If you were believing a lie within your own doctrine, would you want to know about it or would you just ignore it because it is outside your comfort zone or something like that.  I would like to know a lie for I personally had to change my viewpoint three times because I was misled as to what certain pieces of Scripture was saying.
Who wants to go to hell???? again rhetoric that is stale and frankly quite boring. Heaven and Hell is decided upon by God, The person that Goes to hell is the idolator, the kaafir (rejector) the Mushrihk (polytheist) the liar, the cheat, the murderer or anyone with an iota of pride in his heart, similar to the characteristics you portray, those are the inmates of hell. What is Pride it is not accepting the truth that The Lord your God is ONE, that GOD sent prophets to the earth not Gods, not sons of God (that is Blasphemy and the person that preaches that will go to hell. The concept is fading r=from the world anyway. Less and less people believe it every year and even those who claim to follow it are not adhering to it or practicing it. The 1001 sects is not helping either, with the one condemning the other to hell

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Ex and Pete are dead on.  Muj cannot answer these questions you give him. 


I think he (Muj) either doesn't understand his own Quran or that he truly does understand it yet refuses to tell us that what we are saying is right on.  Option 2 is Muj playing the deception game which is what I see that he is attempting to do.  This fella is so brainwashed in this cult, the ONLY way for Muj to see the truth is to face Jesus Christ face to face.  The only way that will occur (much to my dismay) is for Muj to die, meet Jesus and proceed directly to hell to be with his loved one (Muhammad) which is exactly where Muhammad is right now.
You think I don't understand?  Well its because I do understand the message of scripture, it is obey the commands of God, do not abrogate the verses because you think you save just because you declare a few verses or beliefs and then follow a man made constitution but claim to be a believer. I understand very well from scripture that it is the belief in GOD ALMIGHTY and the Angels, the Prophets and The last day and Books and the absolute Power of God almighty that will save your soul. The belief that is echoed by all the Prophets. And do good deeds.

There is a great possibility that it is already too late for Muj.  The Bible is very clear on this point that pertains to Muj directly but it doesn't mean I'll stop praying for him.  Here's that verse.

Rev 17:17  For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
 
Speculating on the mercy of God are we?? Your problem is that you have made certain assumptions based on conjecture fueled by opinion. Your Blasphemy of predicting the actions of God on one of his creation (remember Saul was a Murderer before he received guidance to worship GOD. I am not a Murderer (despite the antics of Ex military)

I promise you this.  Muhammad is praying to you (Muj) right now to accept Jesus in your life.  Muhammad already made that dire mistake and he will forever pay dearly for that mistake and I know for a FACT that ALL the inhabitants in hell are praying for people like you and me not to go where they are.  Hell scares me more than anything else.  I'll do whatever it takes not to go there. 
You promise???? Isn't that just a little too arrogant for words, now you going to tell me that you can see the unseen, you speculating on the fate of muhammad and all your deed cease when you leave this world (die) there no praying, theres no doing anything to save yourself, so your misguided beliefs has nothing in common with reality.

So, how about you?
How about clarity on the first command to start saving you. forget all the rhetoric and the conjecture and the speculation that you made your reality (it only exists in your mind and people like you. Its not the reality of the Prophets or Jesus (All by the way are muslim)

So, Muj.  Tell me honestly.  Do you really want to go to hell?  There was a great statement a good friend of mine said.  If you were believing a lie within your own doctrine, would you want to know about it or would you just ignore it because it is outside your comfort zone or something like that.  I would like to know a lie for I personally had to change my viewpoint three times because I was misled as to what certain pieces of Scripture was saying.
Who wants to go to hell???? again rhetoric that is stale and frankly quite boring. Heaven and Hell is decided upon by God, The person that Goes to hell is the idolator, the kaafir (rejector) the Mushrihk (polytheist) the liar, the cheat, the murderer or anyone with an iota of pride in his heart, similar to the characteristics you portray, those are the inmates of hell. What is Pride it is not accepting the truth that The Lord your God is ONE, that GOD sent prophets to the earth not Gods, not sons of God (that is Blasphemy and the person that preaches that will go to hell. The concept is fading r=from the world anyway. Less and less people believe it every year and even those who claim to follow it are not adhering to it or practicing it. The 1001 sects is not helping either, with the one condemning the other to hell

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Muj,  I'm tired right now but I will get to all your statements soon.

I will say this. You have the utmost difficulty understanding why we follow Jesus. You don't follow Jesus because the Quran tells you not to. You can't understand what makes Jesus different from everybody because what we say to you as to who Jesus is according to the Bible doesn't make any logical sense to you. Therefore Rev 17:17 applies.

Muhammad, on the other hand, the person you do follow, makes perfect sense to you. He is logical to you. Muhammad makes sense.

My Muslim acquaintance I know specifically told me "Why would god, if he were to have a Son as you say God did, kill His own Son?  That makes no sense!"

Until you ask those questions as to why that did occur, you will never know the true nature of Jesus. Islam does nothing more than degrade Jesus and raise Muhammad.

I always asked this question. If ALL prophets are equal in the Quran, then why is it that if I were to become a Muslim, as you want me to, right?, I have to say "There is no other god but Allah and MUHAMMAD is his messenger"

Only Muhammad?  What about the rest of them?  Didn't Allah send Jesus down with the Gospel?  Didn't Muhammad say Jesus, not himself (Muhammad) was going to return for a second visit on the last days?  Didn't you Quran say Jesus performed miracles and did not sin once?

Wouldn't it make more sense to say "There is no other god but Allah and JESUS is his messenger" since Jesus was more perfect than Muhammad?  Muhammad admitted he has sinned. Jesus never sinned. He was perfect and your Quran states just that.

Something to think on.
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Muj,  I'm tired right now but I will get to all your statements soon.

I will say this. You have the utmost difficulty understanding why we follow Jesus. You don't follow Jesus because the Quran tells you not to. You can't understand what makes Jesus different from everybody because what we say to you as to who Jesus is according to the Bible doesn't make any logical sense to you. Therefore Rev 17:17 applies.
I have no difficulties in understanding why you follow what you do, Its not From Jesus, its from pagan beliefs , The Bible tells me to worship GOD ALONE. IT MAKES COMPLETE SENSE IF YOU FOLLOW THE DOCTRINE OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH THE DECISION TAKEN BY THE COUNCIL OF NICEA.

Muhammad, on the other hand, the person you do follow, make perfect sense to you. He is logical to you. Muhammad makes sense.

My Muslim acquaintance I know specifically told me "Why would god, if he were to have a Son as you say God did, kill His own Son?  That makes no sense!"

Until you ask those questions as to why that did occur, you will never know the true nature of Jesus. Islam does nothing more than degrade Jesus and raise Muhammad.
YOU HAVE GREAT DIFFICULTY IN UNDERSTANDING YOUR OWN BIBLE AS YOU ARE ACCUSTOMED TO BE BEING TOLD WHAT YOUR OPINION SHOULD BE BY THE MEDIA>

I always asked this question. If ALL prophets are equal in the Quran, then why is it that if I were to become a Muslim, as you want me to, right?, I have to say "There is no other God but Allah and MUHAMMAD is his messenger"
IT IS A STATMENT OF CONFIRMATION THAT YOU WILL NOT DEVIATE FROME THE WORSHIP OF GOD LIKE ALL THOS WHO CAME BEFORE. MUHAMMAD IS NOT THE MESSIAH LIKE JESUS ( WE GIVE HONOUR TO JESUS IN A SPECIAL WAY AND WE STATE THAT MUHAMMAD IS A MESSENGER OG GOD AND THAT WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE TO CARRY THAT MESSAGE AS PEOPLE OF SCRIPTURE TO ALL ON EARTH. SO THAT THEY MAY FIND THEMSELVES IN THE CONDITION THAT ALL THE PROPHETS OF GOD REQUESTED THEM TO BE. BELIEVE IN GOD< OBEY GOD<

Only Muhammad?  What about the rest of them?  Didn't Allah send Jesus down with the Gospel?  Didn't Muhammad say Jesus, not himself (Muhammad) was going to return for a second visit on the last days?  Didn't you Quran say Jesus performed miracles and did not sin once?
YES we believe that Muhammad did not come with anything new, everything that a muslim does is connected to a previous revelation (scripture) That is how the honor is given to all the prophets that came before.

Wouldn't it make more sense to say "There is no other god but Allah and JESUS is his messenger" since Jesus was more perfect than Muhammad?  Muhammad admitted he has sinned. Jesus never sinned. He was perfect and your Quran states just that.
We do say that Jesus is a messenger of God, a special one, the Messiah who will come again to kill the Antichrist (dajjaal) We don't dispute Scripture where it is in keeping with the commands of God, we reject human opinion and conjecture that is in conflict with scripture.

Something to think on.

SOMETHING I HAVE BEEN BUSY WITH for the last 40 years of my life.

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I am not a Murderer (despite the antics of Ex military)

Show me just one example of where I called you a murderer.

Here, I'll help you.  Click this link: http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?action=search

And search for the word 'murder', and in the box that allows you to narrow it down by poster, type 'ExMilitary'

When you can't find it, then consider these words of Jesus: Matthew 5:21-22

Now address your sin: http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4020.msg15913#msg15913

And don't try to lie again and say you were answering hypothetically... anyone can read that link and see that it wasn't hypothetical, and to say otherwise is a flat out lie. (Yet another sin that you must answer to God for).

Can you not SEE Muj? Evil is IN you.  And when you die, you will stand naked before God with nothing to cover your shame.

The only hope you have is the sacrificial lamb... the only begotten son of God...

Muj, I dare you to say the following out loud, right where you are sitting

  • God is a good judge.
  • God will not let any sin go unpunished.
  • Much of my sin has not been in ignorance, but with full knowledge that I was committing evil acts.
  • My sin has permanently damaged other human beings.
  • By permanently damaging other human beings, I have insulted God.
  • Since the damage is permanent, so is the insult to God.
  • I am guilty before God, and have no sacrifice for my sin.
  • I have no hope for forgiveness apart from God's son.
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So, EVERYBODY that saw Jesus die on the cross really didn't see Jesus die on the cross?  That was a figment of their imagination?  They thought they saw something they really didn't see? 

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not

I hope you will say this, this verse means what it says and says what it means.

Also, thousands of people just made up the story, such as Thomas, and said they saw Jesus that rose from the dead?  Come on Muj.  Get realistic.  That is history you cannot change.  Roman soldiers started worshiping Jesus when they realized that he indeed was who he said he was.


Yet you insist that Muhammad knows all about the real Jesus because you believe more in what Muhammad says and less in what Jesus said. 

If you are absolutely correct without a shadow of doubt and Muhammad is truly who we are supposed to follow, not Jesus and the original gospel that was given to Jesus was destroyed, changed or whatever, then why did Muhammad say to refer to this source of documents (Jesus' Gospel) if that Gospel was already corrupted?  If the Gospel was corrupted AND we needed an uncorrupted source of information, the Quran, which, by the way, was not printed for everybody to read until approximately a hundred years later after Muhammad's death, that Muhammad would tell his followers to refer to the very same Gospel that was before the Quran that you call corrupted and read that?  That's because there was no Quran.  I'm not even too sure the word Quran was used since it was not in existence yet.

Nothing makes sense.  If, as you say, when Muhammad was alive because we Christians somehow screwed up Gods word in such a way as to needing the last prophet Muhammad to straighten out the mess we Christian people created to rewrite the final message, the Quran, then why would Allah tell his Muslim friends to read a corrupted book (the Bible) if the Bible at the time of Muhammad was no longer valid.  Allah should have known better. 

All this tells me is that our Bible at that time, was valid and true until Muhammad and his minion came along and twisted it around to fit a different agenda.

Sura 3:3  He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.

So, the Quran CONFIRMS that the torah and Injeel (Gospel) are books of truth?  I thought the Gospel was corrupted. 

Sura 5:46-47  And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous.  And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.

Again, this verse means what it says and says what it means.  I only need one verse to show evidence.  If this is not true, then what is such blasphemy verses doing in your Quran?  You need to make up your mind.  With the Quran, You can have it both ways.

We have a paradox.  The Muslims of today say the Bible is corrupt yet the prophet says otherwise.  So, who do I choose to believe given the choice that I have?  The Muslim Imams of today that say the Bible is corrupt and your one and only prophet Muhammad who say the Bible is not corrupted. 

Which one do I choose?  I choose Muhammad.  Muhammad is the prophet.  Those Imams are not.  Therefore, according to Muhammad, the Gospel and the Torah are still valid.  That make my book, the Bible, a book Allah specifically approves of.

And you want me to become a Muslim and follow Islam, because......Why?

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So, EVERYBODY that saw Jesus die on the cross really didn't see Jesus die on the cross?  That was a figment of their imagination?  They thought they saw something they really didn't see?

Even the famous antichrist agnostic Bart Ehrman and Jews that Muj recently trotted out to pile on to his lies, aren't foolish enough to deny that Christ was crucified,  because they know that the historical record is too compelling to deny.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2572.0

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And yes, Muj. I do worship one God.  Never have I worshiped more than one. You say I do based on nonsense that I never said I did. You just assume that I worship more than one God.

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So, EVERYBODY that saw Jesus die on the cross really didn't see Jesus die on the cross?  That was a figment of their imagination?  They thought they saw something they really didn't see?

Even the famous antichrist agnostic Bart Ehrman and Jews that Muj recently trotted out to pile on to his lies, aren't foolish enough to deny that Christ was crucified,  because they know that the historical record is too compelling to deny.
There is no doubt that they saw a man being crucified, there is no doubt that the man resemble Yeshua, and if you piece the story together from the scripture and from historical records one would conclude that the Gospels as written by the scribes are correct but the eyewitnesses can be relied upon as Judas pointed to 1 of twelve men in crowd, so who would give up Jesus if they pointed to the wrong man???
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2572.0
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So, EVERYBODY that saw Jesus die on the cross really didn't see Jesus die on the cross?  That was a figment of their imagination?  They thought they saw something they really didn't see?

Even the famous antichrist agnostic Bart Ehrman and Jews that Muj recently trotted out to pile on to his lies, aren't foolish enough to deny that Christ was crucified,  because they know that the historical record is too compelling to deny.
There is no doubt that they saw a man being crucified, there is no doubt that the man resemble Yeshua, and if you piece the story together from the scripture and from historical records one would conclude that the Gospels as written by the scribes are correct but the eyewitnesses can be relied upon as Judas pointed to 1 of twelve men in crowd, so who would give up Jesus if they pointed to the wrong man???
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2572.0
can you historically prove that without using either the Bible or quran to do so.
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So, EVERYBODY that saw Jesus die on the cross really didn't see Jesus die on the cross?  That was a figment of their imagination?  They thought they saw something they really didn't see?

Even the famous antichrist agnostic Bart Ehrman and Jews that Muj recently trotted out to pile on to his lies, aren't foolish enough to deny that Christ was crucified,  because they know that the historical record is too compelling to deny.
There is no doubt that they saw a man being crucified, there is no doubt that the man resemble Yeshua, and if you piece the story together from the scripture and from historical records one would conclude that the Gospels as written by the scribes are correct but the eyewitnesses can be relied upon as Judas pointed to 1 of twelve men in crowd, so who would give up Jesus if they pointed to the wrong man???
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2572.0

The historical record is too compelling. Muslims are the only ones  who deny it because Satan wants you to DISbelieve the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. Satan wants you to reject the sin atoning blood of the Lamb of God so he can torture you in hell. Muslims are the only ones  who deny the crucifixion of Christ, because they have to, in order to follow Muhammad  alone.

The crucifixion of Christ was prophesied by Christ Himself.....
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

As well as prophesied many hundreds of years in advance.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/psalms_22.htm
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/isaiah_53.htm

At least 1/4 of the Bible is prophecy, most of which has been fulfilled. This is how we can rest assured the record is true.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/bible_prophecy.htm

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It is true that they only trust what Muhammad says and even then, Muhammad didn't even know the real Jesus.  Muhammad had no historical evidence. Neither did the rest of the Arabs either.  They only knew of Jesus because of the travelers that went to Mecca.

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It is true that they only trust what Muhammad says and even then, Muhammad didn't even know the real Jesus.  Muhammad had no historical evidence. Neither did the rest of the Arabs either.  They only knew of Jesus because of the travelers that went to Mecca.

You really should educate yourself, Firstly the Arabs were traders that brought goods and services to the entire region, there was no borders or visas or countries, Cities were fragmented into tribes, the world was not Christian nor were they in any way the majority of the earths population. 6th century Christianity was a Roman empire led effort of conquests and wars, not a peaceful evangelism effort. 523 By 500 the Najran kingdom in Yemen contained many Monophysite Christians, but in this year its Jewish king, Masruq, murdered 30,000 Arab Christians.

The Prophet peace be upon him was a trader and travelled far and wide and on his journeys had many discussions with all kinds of religious followers.

If you talking about Historical evidence, all the Akkadian Tablets point to origin of the Bible, but in the Tablets the word Elohim is translated as gods (not singular god)  The writers of the tablets ???? gave the authors of the bible the basis for mythology found in the bible.

Please do your research properly if you want to be a sincere bel;iever and stop speculating and conjecturing.

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Muj still won't address his sin.

Dear Muj,

http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4029.msg16299#msg16299

It must be kinda tough when they are taught that an average Joe Muslim, who dies inadvertently while in the act of murdering others through imperialistic conquest, not only remits his own sins through his own blood, but can intercede for 70 of his relatives.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3898.0

I think I need to dedicate a temporary thread, where we can list all of the replies Mujaheed has ignored throughout his most recent stay here, before he can post anything additional or unrelated to those posts. What do you think?

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I think I need to dedicate a temporary thread, where we can list all of the replies Mujaheed has ignored throughout his most recent stay here, before he can post anything additional or unrelated to those posts. What do you think?

I agree and see that you've already created it.  Rather than engaging in discussion, his replies have been almost completely lacking in substantive responses.  Instead, they are filled with Islamic propaganda that just clutters up the threads.

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Muj still won't address his sin.

Nor will he address history.  The Quran attests to that!

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I think I need to dedicate a temporary thread, where we can list all of the replies Mujaheed has ignored throughout his most recent stay here, before he can post anything additional or unrelated to those posts. What do you think?
I agree.  He refuses to answer simple question.  Let's do it and get some direct answers from him if he wishes to stay.

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I am not a Murderer (despite the antics of Ex military)

Show me just one example of where I called you a murderer.

Here, I'll help you.  Click this link: http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?action=search

And search for the word 'murder', and in the box that allows you to narrow it down by poster, type 'ExMilitary'

When you can't find it, then consider these words of Jesus: Matthew 5:21-22

Now address your sin: http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4020.msg15913#msg15913

And don't try to lie again and say you were answering hypothetically... anyone can read that link and see that it wasn't hypothetical, and to say otherwise is a flat out lie. (Yet another sin that you must answer to God for).

Can you not SEE Muj? Evil is IN you.  And when you die, you will stand naked before God with nothing to cover your shame.

The only hope you have is the sacrificial lamb... the only begotten son of God...

Muj, I dare you to say the following out loud, right where you are sitting

  • God is a good judge.
  • God will not let any sin go unpunished.
  • Much of my sin has not been in ignorance, but with full knowledge that I was committing evil acts.
  • My sin has permanently damaged other human beings.
  • By permanently damaging other human beings, I have insulted God.
  • Since the damage is permanent, so is the insult to God.
  • I am guilty before God, and have no sacrifice for my sin.
  • I have no hope for forgiveness apart from God's son.

BLASPHEMY OF THE HIGHEST DEGREE TO DECLARE THAT SOMEONE (A HUMAN BEING) A MAN IN THE FLESH HAS DIED FOR MY SINS.

YOUR DARE IS CHILDISH ACT AND HAS NO PLACE IN AN ADULT DEBATE.

Knowing my beliefs and knowing that the LORD YOUR GOD IS ONE you still write such blasphemy.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FACE GOD????? WITH A THEORY OF THE NICEAN COUNCIL???
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BLASPHEMY OF THE HIGHEST DEGREE TO DECLARE THAT SOMEONE (A HUMAN BEING) A MAN IN THE FLESH HAS DIED FOR MY SINS.

YOUR DARE IS CHILDISH ACT AND HAS NO PLACE IN AN ADULT DEBATE.

Knowing my beliefs and knowing that the LORD YOUR GOD IS ONE you still write such blasphemy.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FACE GOD????? WITH A THEORY OF THE NICEAN COUNCIL???

Then you call Jesus a blasphemer because he said he was going to die for the sins of other people.

And you call God a liar because you didn't believe his son.

None of that comes from a council, but rather, scripture itself.  And don't use that lame "oh, the scribes polluted the scripture" bunk.  The manuscripts that Muhammad had access to (that he verified as scripture) can be read today.  They are just as unpolluted as when Muhammad read them.

So, Muhammad called the scripture we read today, good.
The scriptures record Jesus' words.
You say Jesus was lying.
You call God a liar.